Volume 427, August 1 – August 4, 1941

DIARY Book 427 August 1 - 4, 1941 Poaraded - A - Book Page Appointments and Resignations Smith, Frank: Early asks HMJr to place after rejection by Securities and Exchange Commission - 8/4/41. 427 271 Argentina See Latin America - B - Bolivia See Latin America Business Conditions Research and Statistics memorandum on situation for week ending August 2, 1941 342 - C - China See War Conditions Coast Guard Reservists - report on - 8/1/41 109 Correspondence Mrs. Forbush's resume' - 8/4/41 319 - D - Defense Savings Bonds See Financing, Government - E - Ecuador See Latin America - 7 - Financing, Government Defense Savings Bonds: Sales during May, June, and July - - 8/1/41 112 Field Organization News Letter, No. 11 - 8/2/41 185 Treasury Hour: Kipling's "The Islanders" - FDR wishes recital by Alfred Lunt - 8/4/41. 315 a) Daughter of Kipling consents to use - 8/11/41: See Book 431, page 274; Book 432, page 152 b) Maurice Evans to read it: Book 432, page 156 France See War Conditions - I - Book Page Iceland See War Conditions India See War Conditions Inflation See War Conditions "Islanders, The" See Financing, Government: Defense Savings Bonds - L - Latin America Argentina: Loss (estimated) in customs revenues from six principal concessions now being offered - 8/1/41 427 135 Bolivia: Collaboration: Details discussed in State Department memorandum - 8/1/41 137 Ecuador: Stabilization credit requested - 8/4/41 357 - K - - Morgenthau, Henry, Jr. Agricultural expedition in 1913 discussed in Gaer note to Mrs. HMJr. 8/4/41 305 - 0 - 011 See War Conditions: Export Control - P - Petroleum See War Conditions: Export Control - R - - Revenue Revision Press release on two series of Treasury notes to go on sale August 1 3-A Broadening of Base: Treasury opposition discussed at staff meeting - 8/4/41 253 HMJr's proposed statement before Senate Finance Committee: See Statements by HMJr - S - Book Page Shipping See War Conditions Smith, Frank See Appointments and Resignations Statements by HMJr Tax Bill: Proposed statement before Senate Finance Committee First draft - 8/4/41 427 326 Second # - 8/6/41: See Book 429, page 77 a) Conference of Treasury group, Eccles, Currie, and Magill: Book 429, page 1 b) Conference; present: HMJr, Blough, Kuhn, Magill, and Shere: Book 429, page 98 c) Conference; present: HMJr, Sullivan, Magill, Blough, Kuhn, Bell, and Riefler: Book 429, pages 117 and 222 Third draft: Book 429, page 145 Fourth a : Book 429, page 269 a) Conference of Treasury and Internal Revenue groups: Book 429, page 296 b) Conference; present: HMJr, Blough, and Kuhn: Book 429, page 306 Fifth draft: Book 429, page 351 Reading copy - 8/8/41: Book 430, page 10 Press comment - Merillat report - 8/15/41: Book 433, page 76 Stock Market Price movements compared of 20 "var" and 20 "peace" stocks - 8/4/41 280 - T - Taxation See Revenue Revision - U - U - U.S.S.R. See War Conditions United Kingdom See War Conditions: Military Planning: United Kingdom - W - War Conditions Airplanes: Deliveries monthly, July 1940 to date - 8/4/41. 278 Shipments to United Kingdom and overseas commands - British Air Commission report - 8/4/41 314 Regraded Unclassified - Y - (Continued) Book Page War Conditions (Continued) China: Hong Kong: Inclusion in sterling area for foreign exchange control purposes - 8/2/41 427 229 Fox report - 8/4/41 362 Exchange market resume' - 8/1/41, etc 140,234,372 Export Control: Petroleum: Further regulation announced by FDR - 8/1/41 89 Exports of petroleum products, scrap iron, and scrap steel from United States to Japan, Russia, Spain, and Great Britain, week ending August 2, 1941 325 Foreign Funds Control: Personnel to be investigated before being hired: HMJr tells Foley - 8/4/41 274 a) Conference: present: HMJr, Gaston, Pehle, Foley. and Thompson - 8/4/41 283 France: Free French supplies discussed by Cox and HMJr - 8/1/41 4,35 Iceland: General resume' - 8/2/41 201 India: Lend-Lease inclusion of discussed in State Department correspondence - 8/2/41 168 Inflation: Prevention by increased purchase of Government bonds (deferred income plan) discussed in Eddy and Neisser memoranda - 8/1/41 101 Lend-Lease: Purchases - weekly report - 8/1/41 47 Military Planning: Reports from London transmitted by Halifax - 8/1/41, 8/4/41 142,374 War Department bulletins: Gun (Lewis and Bren) successes against enemy aircraft - 8/1/41 145 German pioneers - employment of - 8/4/41 377 Purchasing Mission: Vesting order sales - 8/4/41 306,307 Federal Reserve Bank of New York statement showing dollar disbursements, week ending July 23, 1941 308 Shipping: LaGuardia asks HMJr to take over guarding of all ships in New York harbor - 8/4/41 302 a) Additional personnel discussed 303 - W - (Continued) Book Page War Conditions (Continued) China: Hong Kong: Inclusion in sterling area for foreign exchange control purposes - 8/2/41 427 229 Fox report - 8/4/41 362 Exchange market resume' - 8/1/41, etc 140,234,372 Export Control: Petroleum: Further regulation announced by FDR - 8/1/41 89 Exports of petroleum products, scrap iron, and scrap steel from United States to Japan, Russia, Spain, and Great Britain, week ending August 2, 1941 325 Foreign Funds Control: Personnel to be investigated before being hired: HMJr tells Foley - 8/4/41 274 a) Conference: present: HMJr, Gaston, Pehle, Foley, and Thompson - 8/4/41 283 France: Free French supplies discussed by Cox and HMJr - 8/1/41 4,35 Iceland: General resume' - 8/2/41 201 India: Lend-Lease inclusion of discussed in State Department correspondence - 8/2/41 168 Inflation: Prevention by increased purchase of Government bonds (deferred income plan) discussed in Eddy and Neisser memoranda - 8/1/41 101 Lend-Lease: Purchases - weekly report - 8/1/41 47 Military Planning: Reports from London transmitted by Halifax - 8/1/41, 8/4/41 142,374 War Department bulletins: Gun (Lewis and Bren) successes against enemy aircraft - 8/1/41 145 German pioneers - employment of - 8/4/41 377 Purchasing Mission: Vesting order sales - 8/4/41 306,307 Federal Reserve Bank of New York statement showing dollar disbursements, week ending July 23, 1941 308 Shipping: LaGuardia asks HMJr to take over guarding of all ships in New York harbor - 8/4/41 302 a) Additional personnel discussed 303 - V - (Continued) Book Page War Conditions (Continued) U.S.S.R.: Fall of Leningrad, Moscow, Smolensk, and Odessa before September 1 predicted by Knox - 8/1/41 427 18 Military mission calle on HMJr; expresses dissatisfaction at slowness of action in Washington - 8/1/41 60 a) HMJr asks Cox to see them - 8/1/41 62 1) Wayne Coy instructed by FDR to rush help: Cox tells HMJr - 8/4/41 276 2) Conference; present: HMJr, Coy, Cox, Colonel Famonville, and Kamarck - 8/5/41: See Book 428, page 52 3) Coy's cable to FDR - 8/6/41: Book 430, page 227 United Kingdom: Production: Debate in House of Commons - 8/1/41 118 Wool: Reserve supplies to be made available through Reconstruction Finance Corporation discussed in directive from FDR, letter from Reconstruction Finance Corporation to Treasury, letters from Treasury to Director of Budget and Reconstruction Finance Corporation, and Halifax-State Department correspondence - 8/1/41 91 Wool See War Conditions 1 TREASURY DEPARTMENT FOR RELEASE, LORNING NEWSPAPERS, Friday, August 1, 1941. The Secretary of the Treasury, by this public notice, invites tenders for $100,000,000, or thereabouts, of 91-day Treasury bills, to be issued on a discount basis under competitive bidding. The bills of this series will be dated August 6, 1941, and will mature November 5, 1941, when the face amount will he payable without inter- est. They will be issued in bearer form only, and in denominations of 11,000, $5,000, $10,000, $100,000, $500,000 and $1,000,000 (maturity value). Tenders will be received at Federal Reserve Banks and Branches up to the closing hour, two o'clock p.m., Eastern Standard time, Londay, August 4, 1941. Tenders will not be received at the Treasury Department, Washington. Each tender must be for an even multiple of $1,000, and the price offered must be expressed on the basis of 100, with not more than three decimals, e.g., 99.925. Fractions may not be used. It is urged that tenders be mado on the printed forms and forwarded in the special envelopes which will be supplied by Federal Reserve Banks or Branches on application therefor. Tenders will be received without deposit from incorporated banks and trust C tpanies and from responsible and recognized dealers in investment securities. Tenders from others must be accompanied by payment of 10 percent of the face amount of Treasury bills applied for, unless the tendors are accompanied by an express guaranty of payment by an incorporated bank or trust company. 26-81 Regraded Unclassified 2 - 2 - Immodiately after the closing hour, tenders will be opened at the Federal Reserve Banks and Branches, following which public announcement will be made by the Secretary of the Treasury of the amount and price range of accepted bids. Those submitting tenders will be advised of the acceptance or rejection thereof. The Secretary of the Treasury expressly reserves the right to accept or reject any or all tenders, in whole or in part, and his action in any such respect shall be final. Payment of accepted tenders at the prices offered must be made or complet at the Federal Reserve Bank in cash or other immediately available funds on August 6, 1941. The income derived from Treasury bills, whether interest or gain from the sale or other disposition of the bills, shall not have any exemption, as such, and loss from the sale or other disposition of Treasury bills shall not have any special treatment, as such, under Federal tax Acts now or hereafter enacted. The bills shall be sub- ject to estate, inheritance, fift, or other excise taxes, whether Federal or State, but shall be exempt from all taxation now or hereafter imposed on the principal or interest thereof by any State, or any of the possessions of the United States, or by any local taxing authority. For purposes of taxation the amount of discount at which Treasury bills are originally sold by the United States shall be considered to be interest. Regraded Unclassified 3 - 3 - Treasury Department Circular No. 418, as amended, and this notice, prescribe the terms of the Treasury bills and govern the conditions of their issue. Copies of the circular may be obtained from any Federal Reserve Bank or Branch. -000- 3-A TREASURY DEPARTMENT Washington FOR RELEASE, LORNING NEWSPAPERS, Press Service Friday, August 1, 1941. No. 26-84 7/31/41. Secretary Lorgenthau today announced the final details with respect to the two tax series of Treasury notes which go on sale this morning at the Federal Reserve Banks. The Series A-1943 notes, in the denominations of $25, $50 and $100, provide a return of about 1.92 ercent a year, are designed to be attractive to the small tax- payer, and their presentation in payment of income taxes v.ill be limited to $1,200 from any takpayer in any one tax year. The Series B-1943 notes will be issued in denominations of $100, $500, $1,000, $10,000 and $100,000, will provide a return of about 0.40 percent a year, and the amount of these notes thich may be presented in pay- ment of taxes vill be limited only by the amount of taxes due. The owner's name and address, and the date of issue, will be entered on each note at the time of its issue by 3 Federal Reserve Bank. The month in which payment is received by a Federal Reserve Bank or Branch, or by the Treasurer of the United Status, will determine the purchase price and issue date of each note. Particular attention is called to the fact that checks or other remittances not immediately available should be received by a Federal Reserve Bank or Branch, or by the Treasurer of the United States, in time to be cleared and the funds actually avcilable to the Tressury before the end of a month in order to got that month's dating. 3-B - 2 - These notes are being offered for sele to taxpayers for their convenionce in setting aside regularly the funds which will be required to meet the unprecedented taxes t ey will DCY next year on this year's income. The interest carned on those notes, which will be credited with the principal in payment of income tax lia- bility, is expected to be attractive to taxpayers generally. For this reason many will doubtless purchase an amount of notes suffic- ient to meet the estimated tax liability for the next two years, or as much thereof as their means mill permit, since the notes bear interest to August 1, 1943, unless sooner redoemed. The notes will be acceptable in payment of any Federal income taxes at any time commencing with the third month after the month of purchase, but not bofore January 1, 1942. If not presented in payment of income taxes, they can be r adocmed at the Federal Reservo Bank of issue for cash, in the case of Series A-1943 notos without advance notice, and in the case of Scries B-1943 notes after 10 days from the date of issue and on 30 days advance notice. Such P odemption will be at the purchase price maid for the notes, In other words, the tax- payer, in this case, gets back just the amount he paid for the notes and no more. The official circular is attached. Regraded Unclassified 3-C THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA TREASURY NOTES Tax Series A-1948 Tax Series B-1943 Dated August 1, 1941 Due August 1, 1943 Issued at Par and Accrued Interest Acceptable at Par and Accrued Interest in Payment of Federal Income Taxes 1941 TREASURY DEPARTMENT, Department Circular No. 007 OFFICE OF THE SECRETARY, Fiscal Service Burnau of the Public Twise Washington, July 22, 1941. I. OFFERING OF NOTES 1. The Secretary of the Treasury, pursuant to the authority of the Second Liberty Bond Act. as amended, offers for sale, to the people of the United States, through the Federal Reserve Banks, at par and accrued interest, two issues of nontransferable notes of the United States, designated Treas- ury Notes of Tax Series A-1943, and Treasury Notes of Tax Series B-1943. As hereinafter pro- vided, the notes of both series will be acceptable at par and accrued interest in payment of Federal income taxes: Provided, however, that not exceeding $1,200 principal amount of notes of Tax Series A-1948, and the accrued interest thereon, will be accepted from any one owner in any period of twelve consecutive months in payment of taxes due from such owner. If not presented in payment of taxes, the notes will be redeemable at the purchase price as hereinafter provided. 2. Descriptions of the notes of both series, and their terms are hereinafter fully set forth. The notes will be placed on sale beginning August 1, 1941, and the sale will continue until December 31, 1941, unless earlier terminated, as to either or both series, by the Secretary of the Treasury. 11. DESCRIPTION OF NOTES 1. General.-The notes of both series will be dated August 1, 1941, and will mature August 1, 1943. The owner's name and address, and the date of issue will be entered on each note at the time of its issue by a Federal Reserve Bank. The month in which payment is received by a Federal Reserve Bank or Branch, or by the Treasurer of the United States, will determine the purchase price and issue date of each note. The notes may not be transferred. No hypothecation of the notes on any account will be recognized by the Treasury Department, and they will not be accepted to secure deposits of public money. Except as herein provided, the notes will be subject to the general regulations of the Treasury Department, now or hereafter prescribed, governing bonds and notes of the United States. 2. Denominations and interest.-The notes of Tax Series A-1948 will be issued in denomina- tions of $25, $50, and $100, and interest thereon will accrue during each month after August 1941, in the amount of 16 cents on each $100 principal amount, that is, 4 cents on each $25, 8 cents on each $50, and 16 cents on each $100 denomination of note. The notes of Tax Series B-1948 will be issued in denominations of $100, $500, $1,000, $10,000 and $100,000, and interest thereon will accrue each month after August 1941, in the amount of 4 cents on each $100 principal amount, that is 4 cents on each $100, 20 cents on each $500, 40 cents on each $1,000, $4 on each $10,000, and $40 on each $100,000 denomination of note. In no case, however, shall interest accrue beyond the month in which the note is presented in payment of taxes, or beyond its maturity. Exchanges of authorized denominations of each series from higher to lower, but nót from lower to higher, may be arranged at the Federal Reserve Bank of issue. 3. Purchase price. and tax-payment value.-The notes of both series will be sold at par during August 1941, and will be sold at par and accrued interest during each subsequent month while they remain on sale, the purchase price for a note of any denomination of either series advancing each month after August 1941, in the amount of one month's interest on that note. Tables, showing for Regraded Unclassified 2 each month from August 1941, to August 1943, for each denomination of each series, the principal amount of the notes with accrued interest added, are appended to this circular, The total shown for any denomination for any month-August through December 1941-while the notes remain on sale, is the purchase price, or cost, of the note during that month. Also, the total shown for any denomination for any month thereafter is the tax-payment value, or the amount at which the note will be acceptable during that month in payment of Federal income taxes as herein provided. 4. Acceptability in payment of taxes.-The notes of both series (but not more than $1,200 prin- cipal amount of notes of Tax Series A-1943 from any one owner in any period of twelve consecutive months) will be acceptable, at par and accrued interest, in payment of Federal income taxes (cur- rent and back personal and corporation taxes, and excess-profits taxes). The conditions of presenta- tion, surrender and acceptance of the notes in payment of such taxes are set forth in Section IV of this circular. 5. Payment or redemption for cash.-The notes of either series may not be called by the Secre- tary of the Treasury for redemption prior to maturity. If such notes are not presented in payment of taxes: (1) they will be payable at maturity, or (2) they will be redeemable prior to maturity, at the owner's option and request, as hereinafter provided in Section V and in either case payment will be made only at the price paid for the notes. 6. Taxation.-Income derived from the notes shall be subject to all Federal taxes, now or here- after imposed. The notes shall be subject to estate, inheritance, gift or other excise taxes, whether Federal or State, but shall be exempt from all taxation now or hereafter imposed on the principal or interest thereof by any State, or any of the possessions of the United States, or by any local taxing authority. III. PURCHASE OF NOTES 1. Applications and payment.-Applications will be received by the Federal Reserve Banks and Branches, and by the Treasurer of the United States, Washington, D.C. Banking institutions gen- erally may submit applications for account of customers, but only the Federal Reserve Banks and the Treasurer of the United States are authorized to act as official agencies. Every application must be accompanied by payment in full, at par and accrued interest to the month in which payment is received by a Federal Reserve Bank or Branch, or the Treasurer of the United States. Any form of exchange, including personal checks, will be accepted subject to collection, and should be drawn to the order of the Federal Reserve Bank or of the Treasurer of the United States, as the case may be. Any depositary, qualified pursuant to the provisions of Treasury Department Circular No. 92 (revised February 23, 1932, as supplemented) will be permitted to make payment by credit for notes applied for on behalf of itself or its customers up to any amount for which it shall be qualified in excess of existing deposits. 2. Reservations.-The Secretary of the Treasury reserves the right to reject any application in whole or in part, and to refuse to issue or permit to be Issued hereunder any notes in any case or in any class or classes of cases if he deems such action to be in the public interest, and his action in any such respect shall be final. If an application is rejected, in whole or in part, any payment received therefor will be refunded. The Secretary of the Treasury, in his discretion, may designate agen- cies other than those herein provided for the sale of, or for the handling of applications for, Treasury notes to be issued hereunder. 3. Delivery of notes.-Upon acceptance of full-paid applications, notes will be duly Issued and. unless delivered in person, will be delivered by registered mail within the Continental United States, the Territories and Insular Possessions of the United States, the Canal Zone and the Philippine Islanda No deliveries elsewhere will be made. 4. Form of application.-In applying for notes under this circular, care should be exercised to specify whether those of Tax Series A-1943, or Tax Series B-1943 are desired, and there must be furniahed the name and address of the individual, corporation or other entity in which the notus are to be issued: and if address for the delivery of the notes is different, appropriate instructions should Regraded Unclassified 8 be given. The name should be in the same form as that used in the Federal Income tax return 0, the purchaser. The use of an official application form is desirable, but not necessary. Appropriate forms may be obtained on application to any Federal Reserve Bank or Branch, and banking inst: tutions generally will supply such forms. IV. PRESENTATION IN PAYMENT OF TAXES 1, After three months from month of purchase (as shown by the date of issue on each note), but not before January 1, 1942, during such time, and under such rules and regulations as the Com- missioner of Internal Revenue, with the approval of the Secretary of the Treasury, shall prescribe, notes issued hereunder in the name of a taxpayer (individual, corporation, or other entity) may be presented and surrendered by such taxpayer, his agent, or his estate, to the Collector of Internal Revenue, to whom the tax return is made, and will be receivable by the Collector at par and accrued interest from August 1941, to the month, inclusive (but no accrual beyond August 1943), in which presented in payment of any Federal income taxes (current and back personal and corporation taxes, and excess-profit taxes) assessed against the original purchaser or his estate, but not more than $1,200 principal amount of notes of Tax Series A-1943, and the accrued interest thereon, may be accepted by the Collector in any period of twelve consecutive months in payment of Federal income taxes due from such owner, The notes must be forwarded to the Collector at the risk and expense of the owner, and, for his protection, should be forwarded by registered mail, if not presented in person. V. CASH REDEMPTION AT OR PRIOR TO MATURITY 1. General.-Any Treasury note of Tax Series A-1943 or Tax Series B-1943 will be redeemed for cash at the purchase price at or before maturity. Notes of Tax Series A-1943 may be redeemed before maturity without advance notice, but notes of Tax Series B-1948 may be redeemed before maturity only after 60 days from date of issue and on 30 days' advance notice. The timely surren- der of a note of Tax Series B-1943, bearing a properly executed request for payment, will be ac- cepted as constituting the advance notice required hereunder. 2. Execution of request for payment-The owner in whose name the note is inscribed must ap- pear before one of the officers authorized by the Secretary of the Treasury to witness and certify re- quests for payment, establish his identity, and in the presence of such officer sign the request for payment appearing on the back of the note, adding the address to which check is to be mailed. After the request for payment has been so signed, the witnessing officer should complete and sign the certificate provided for his use. 3. Officers authorized to witness and certify requests for payment.-Any officers authorized to witness and certify requests for payment of United States Savings Bonds, as set forth in Treasury Department Circular No. 530, Fourth Revision, as amended, are hereby authorized to witness and certify requests for cash redemption of Treasury notes issued under this circular. Such officers include United States postmasters, certain other post office officials, and the executive officers of all banks and trust companies incorporated in the United States or its organized territories, including officers at branches thereof who are certified to the Treasury Department as executive officers. 4. Presentation and surrender.-Notes bearing properly executed requests for payment must be presented and surrendered to the Federal Reserve Bank of issue, at the expense and risk of the owner. For the owner's protection, notes should be forwarded by registered mail, if not presented in person. 5. Disability or death.-In case of the disability or death of the owner, and the notes are not to be presented in payment of Foderal income taxes due from his estate, instructions should be obtained from the Federal Reserve Bank of issue before the request for payment is executed, or the notes presented. 6. Partial redemption.-Partial cash redemption of notes of either series, corresponding to an authorized denomination, may be made in the same manner, appropriate changes being made in the request for payment. In case of partial redemption of a note, the remainder will be reissued with the same date of issue as the note surrendered. 12-C2497 Regraded Unclassified 4 7. Payment.-Payment of any note, either at maturity or on redemption before maturity, will be made only by the Federal Reserve Bank that issued the note, and will be made by check drawn to the order of the owner, and mailed to the address given in his request for payment. In any case, payment will be made at the purchase price of the note, that is, at par and accrued interest (if any) paid at the time of purchase. VI. GENERAL PROVISIONS 1. Federal Reserve Banks, as fiscal agents of the United States, are authorized to perform such services or acts as may be appropriate and necessary under the provisions of this circular, and under any instructions given by the Secretary of the Treasury. 2. The Secretary of the Treasury may at any time or from time to time supplement or amend the terms of this circular, or of any amendments or supplements thereto, and may at any time or from time to time prescribe amendatory rules and regulations governing the offering of the notes, information as to which will promptly be furnished to the Federal Reserve Banks. HENRY MORGENTHAU, Jr., Secretary of the Treasury. (Filed with the Division of the Federal Register, July 31, 1941) 10-09APT Regraded Unclassifie 5 TREASURY NOTES-TAX SERIES A-1948 Purchase Price and Tax-Payment Value During Successive Months Table, showing for each month from August 1941, to August 1942, for notes of each denomination, the principal amount with accrued interest added. The total shown for any denomination, for any month-August through December 1941-while the notes remain on sale, in the Purchase Price, or Cost, of the note during that month. Also, the total shown for any denomination for any month thereafter is the Tax-Payment Value, or the amount at which the note will be accept- able during that month in payment of Federal income taxes. $25 $50 $100 PURCHASE PRICE August, 1941 825.00 $50. 00 $100. 00 September, 1941 25.04 50.08 100. 16 October, 1941 25.08 50.16 100. 32 November, 1941 25.12 50.24 100. 48 December, 1941 25,16 50.32 100.64 TAX-PAYMENT VALUE January, 1942. $25.20 850. 40 $100. February, 1942 25.24 50,48 100.96 MARCH, 1942 25,28 50.56 101. 12 April, 1942 25.32 50,64 101. 28 May, 1942 25.36 50.72 101. 44 JUNE, 1942 25.40 50,80 101. 60 July, 1942 25.44 60.88 101. 76 August, 1942 25,48 50,96 101. 92 SEPTEMBER, 1942 25.52 5L 04 102, 08 October, 1942 25.56 51.12 102. 24 November, 1942 25.60 51.20 102. 40 DECEMBER, 1942 25.64 51.28 102 56 January, 1943 25.68 51.36 102.72 February, 1943 25.72 51.44 102.88 MARCH, 1943 25.76 51.52 103.04 April, 1943 25.80 51.60 103.20 May, 1943 25,84 51.68 108.36 JUNE, 1943 25,88 51.76 103. 62 July, 1943 25.92 51.84 102. 68 August, 1943 25.96 51.92 103.84 TREASURY NOTES-TAX SERIES B-1943 Purchase Price and Tas-Payment Value During Successive Months Table, showing for each month from August 1941, to August 1943, for notes of each denomination, the principal amount with accrued interest added. The total shown for any desomination, for any month-August through December 1941- while the notes remain on sale, is the Purchase Price, or Cost, of the note during that month. Also, the total shown for any denomination for any month thoreafter is the Tax-Payment Value, or the amount at which the note will be acceptable during that month in payment of Federal income taxes. $100 $500 $1,000 $10,000 $100,000 PURCHASE PRICE August, 1941 $100.00 $500.00 $1,000.00 $10,000 $100,000 September, 1941 100. 04 500.20 1,000.40 10,004 100,040 October, 1941 100. 08 500. 40 1,000.80 10,008 100,080 November, 1941 100. 12 500. 60 1,001.20 10,012 100,120 December, 1941 100. 16 500. 80 1,001.60 10,016 100,160 TAX-PAYMENT VALUE January, 1942 $100.20 8501. 00 $1,002.00 $10,020 $100,200 February, 1942 100. 24 501.20 1,002.40 10,024 100,240 MARCH, 1942 100. 28 501. 40 1,002.80 10,025 100,290 April, 1942 100. 32 501. 60 1,003.20 10,032 100,320 May, 1942 100. 36 501.80 1,003.60 10,036 100,360 JUNE, 1942 100. 40 502. 00 1,004.00 10,040 100,400 July, 1942 100. 44 502.20 1,004.40 10,044 100,440 August, 1942 100. 48 502. 40 1,004.80 10,048 100,480 SEPTEMBER, 1942 100. 52 502. 60 1,005.20 10,052 100,520 October, 1942 100. 56 502. 80 1,005.00 10,056 100,560 November, 1942 100. 60 503.00 00 1,006.00 10,060 100,600 DECEMBER, 1942 100. 64 503. 20 1,006.40 10,064 100,640 January, 1943 160.68 503.40 1,006.80 10,068 100,680 February, 1943 100. 72 503.60 1,007.20 10,072 100,720 MARCH, 1943 100. 76 503. 80 1,007.60 10,076 100,700 April, 1943 100. 80 504. 00 1,008.00 10,080 100,800 May, 1943 100. 84 504. 20 1,008.40 10,084 100,840 JUNE, 1948 100. 88 504. 40 1,008.80 10,088 100,880 July, 1943 100, 92 504 60 1,000.20 10,093 100,920 August, 1948 100. 96 504.80 1,000.60 10,008 100,960 Regraded Unclassifie 4 August 1, 1941 9:23 a.m. HMJr: Hello. Operator: Mr. Cox HMJr: Hello. Oscar Cox: Hello, Mr. Secretary. HMJr: How are you feeling? C: Pretty good. HMJr: Good. Oscar, what's going on for my friend, Pleven? C: We sent over onè requisition to the President for his signature on stuff to equip boate for the use of the Free French. HMJr: Yes. C: And also, we're going to put through one for some trucks. HMJr: One what? C: One for some trucks. HMJr: Yes. C: Policy determined. And I'll let you know as soon as any development takes place on them. I think the one on the boats has probably been signed already. HMJr: Oh, really? Well, just as soon as you find out, will you let me know? C: I certainly will. HMJr: That's number one; and number two, Kamarck's in contact with this Major C: Famonville? 5 - 2 - HMJr: Yeah. How'd you ever get hold of him? C: Well, we suggested to the General that he ought to get somebody who knew something about Russia. HMJr: Yeah. C: And PO he scouted out in the Army and found that this fellow who had been Attache over there not only knew Russian, but was good. HMJr: General Burns did? C: Yeah. He's a good fellow, Famonville 1e. HMJr: Oh yes, you know that the - I understand that the State Decartment hed him withdrawn from Russia. C: Yeah. Yesh, he's very sympathetic and he's very smart. HAJr: Yeah. C: You probably will have to get into that thing at some later date. HMJr: Well, Oumaneky's bringing this Russian man that sounds like 8 - name like a mouth-wesh - over here at eleven. C: Yesh. Purvis says he's 8 very competent guy, this Russian. HMJr: Yeah. Are you fellows going to do anything for them? C: Well, we're trying, but the Army and the Navy don't want to give up anything. HMJr: Oh, for God's sake! C : The same old problem. HMJr: Well, did they get any of those Curtiss P-40's that were in England? Regraded Unclassified 6 - 3 - C: The President has ordered them gotten, but they haven't gotten them yet, and also a squadron of aircraft out of the Army. HMJr: You mean to say those boxed planes, supposedly boxed in England, that they haven't got those yet? C: That's right. They're allocated, but they haven't gotten them. HMJr: Well, what're they going to do? Wait until winter comes? C: Gee, I hope not. But HMJr: But that - - the impression I got - ten days ago the President was under the impression that he got them. C: Yeah, I know he was, but they still haven't gotten them yet. HMJr: Have they got anything? C: No. HMJr: They haven't got anything? C: No. They've got a lot of stuff promised, but they haven't gotten anything yet. HMJr: Well, I'll be damned. C: Look, can I send you a memorandum I got up for Wayne Coy? HMJr: On what? C: On suggesting some change in this defense setup 80 that you can get problems like that disposed of? HMJr: Sure. C: Because I think they run into them and it wastes Regraded Unclassified 7 - 4 - 80 much of the President's time..... HMJr: Sure. C: .....and it doesn't make any sense. HMJr: Have you read July 28, "The Mirage of Production", by Michael Strait? C: Yes, sir. HMJr: You have? C: Yeah. HMJr: Okay. C: Have you seen this issue of Fortune that's coming out? HMJr: No. C: Well, it's all on the defense program. A lot of it's on the same stuff. HMJr: I see. Critical? C: Critical, but favorable, generally, to the President. Critical of OPM and that kind of thing. HMJr: Okay. C: Right. HMJr: Good-bye. C: Good-bye. 8 - August 1, 1941 9:28 a.m. HMJr: Hello. Hello. Operator: I'll have her in just a minute. Grace Tully: Mr. Secretary, I got through to the big man. HMJr: Wonderful! T: And the big man says he will call Sam right away. HMJr: Wonderful. T: So I think that's taken care of. HMJr: What a girl! T: (Laughs) HMJr: All right. T: All right, sir. I'll - when I see the President this morning, we'll see what happened on that HMJr: Yeah. T: and what they decided, and then I'll let you know. HMJr: Right. T: All right. Grand, sir. HMJr: Thank you. T: All right. Good-bye. Regraded Unclassified 9 August 1, 1941 9:30 a.m. HMJr: Hello. Operator: Here's Miss Tully again. HMJr: Thanks. Operator: Go ahead. HMJr: Hello. Grace Tully: Hello. HMJr: Yes. T: Mr. Secretary, our records show that he did not speak to the Speaker last night, 80 my agent must have forgotten to remind him. HMJr: I see. T: I tell you what I can do. I can see if I can get through to the boss this morning and ask him if he wants you to call the Speaker and explain. HMJr: All right. Good. T: Want me to call you back? HMJr: Wonderful. T: All right. I'll ask him if he'd like you to do that job. Maybe he doesn't have time this morning to speak to the Speaker, but if you'd do it, why that would be grand. HMJr: Right. And may I say in all seriousness, I really tremendously appreciate the services that you're giving me. T: Well, you're very welcome. HMJr: No, I want to say this, that in the eight Regraded Unclassified 10 - 2 - years I've been here, nobody's taken 88 good care of me. T: Well, thank you very much, Mr. Secretary. HMJr: Thank you. T: And I'll call you back just as soon as I get through to the boss. HMJr: Thank you. T: Look. Would you flash my operator again? I can't do it through my apartment house here. HMJr: Just a minute. T: Right. HMJr: Just a minute. Hello. Operator: Yes, sir. HMJr: Miss Tully wants the White House. Operator: Yes, sir. HMJr: Miss Tully wants the White House. Regraded Unclassified 11 August 1, 1941 9:45 a.m. HMJr: Hello. Secretary to Senator Walsh: Yes, Mr. Morgenthau. HMJr: Look. I got your message about Senator Walsh. S: Yes, sir. HMJr: Here's my trouble. I have Cabinet this afternoon at two. 8: Yes, sir. HMJr: And I leave right after that to go home. S: Yes, sir. HMJr: But I'm free from now until twelve o'clock. S: Until twelve o'clock. HMJr: Is there any way of getting us together? S: I think there 18, sir. He - the Senator has gone to the Navy Department, and I can reach him there and he can probably see you immediately after he gets through at the Navy Department, which will probably be about half past ten or 80. HMJr: Well S: I'll have him call you, sir, from the Navy Department. HMJr: Would you do that, because I really would like to Bee him this morning. S: Yes, sir. HMJr: I'd be glad to come up on the Hill. 11 August 1, 1941 9:45 a.m. HMJr: Hello. Secretary to Senator Walsh: Yes, Mr. Morgenthau. HMJr: Look. I got your message about Senator Walsh. 8: Yes, sir. HMJr: Here's my trouble. I have Cabinet this afternoon at two. 8: Yes, sir. HMJr: And I leave right after that to go home. S: Yes, sir. HMJr: But I'm free from now until twelve o'clock. S: Until twelve o'clock. HMJr: Is there any way of getting us together? S: I think there 18, sir. He - the Senator has gone to the Navy Department, and I can reach him there and he can probably see you immediately after he gets through at the Navy Department, which will probably be about half past ten or 80. HMJr: Well S: I'll have him call you, sir, from the Navy Department. HMJr: Would you do that, because I really would like to see him this morning. S: Yes, sir. HMJr: I'd be glad to come up on the Hill. 12 - 2 - S: Oh no, because he'll be down there, sir. He can go right to your office. HMJr: Could you reach him there, then? S: Yes, sir. HMJr: And then I'll wait until I hear from him. S: All right, Mr. Morgenthau. HMJr: Thank you. S: Yes, sir. 13 August 1, 1941 9:47 a.m. Dean Acheson: Hello. HMJr: I called and spoke to Sumner Welles yesterday to tell him how delighted I am how this com- mittee of yourself and Foley and Shea has been operating. A: Well, you're very good. He - Sumner called me in last night. HMJr: Yes. A: and said that you had spoken to him, and that he assumed that this had something remotely to do with my activities and that I was to be commended about it. HMJr: (Laughs) Well A: And I said, "Not at all. It was just every- body's work together on it." HMJr: Well, that was what I hoped he'd do, but I didn't know whether he would or not. A: Yeah, he did. HMJr: And A: That was very nice. HMJr: It's the best liaison we've ever had with the State Department. A: Well, fine, Henry. I'm going to try and keep it that way and improve it. HMJr: Well, it won't be difficult; and Welles seemed very much pleased, too, 80 A: Well, that's fine. I had a long talk with Frank Shea yesterday. HMJr: Yeah. Regraded Unclassified 14 - 2 - A: Apparently Biddle had spoken to him, and he came to me and asked me whether I would be very frank with him and tell him whether I thought that he had been difficult. HMJr: Yeah. A: And I said, well, if he wanted me to be very frank, the only thing that I could say was that I thought he had. HMJr: Yeah. A: And I didn't think it was necessary and I couldn't understand what the continual row that he was trying to bring up, was, what it amounted to. It just didn't seem to me to be anything. HMJr: Yeah. A: So we had sort of a heart-to-heart talk about this HMJr: Uh huh. A: and he said he didn't mean to be diffi- cult..... HMJr: Yeah. A: and he was talking to reform. (Laughs) HMJr: Splendid. A: Then he said that some time ago he'd asked me to write a memorandum about my conversation with you when we started this thing, and he asked me if I had done it. And I said, "Well, I had started to do it, and then I began to think what in the world I was doing it for " HMJr: Yeah. A: .....and the only thing I could think of was that this would be used for controversial Regraded Unclassified 15 - 3 - purposes, 80 I tore it up and I said, "I'm not writing any memoranda about my conver- sations with anybody." HMJr: Oh. A: So we've just got to all get along together. I think he'll be much better. HMJr: Good. All right. Hope to see you soon. A: Fine, Henry. Thank you very much. Regraded Unclassified 16 August 1, 1941 9:55 a.m. GROUP MEETING Present: Miss Chauncey Mr. Foley Mr. Viner Mr. Thompson Mr. Cochran Mr. White Mr. Gaston Mr. Sullivan Mr. Blough Mr. Schwarz Mr. Kuhn Mr. Graves Mr. Bell Mr. Odegard H.M.Jr: Good morning, everybody. The only thing I have got, Harold, here, to follow up, is Gardner Jackson't call about the meat butchers' wanting to give us a million and a half. Graves: I turned that over last night to Mr. Houghtel- ing, who already knew all about it, and he is going to arrange for those people to come in and see you some day next week. (Mr. Bell entered the conference.) H.M.Jr: Mr. Gaston? Gaston: Harold spoke to me about Jesse Jones' getting some space at Number Two Park Avenue. H.M.Jr: At 8. dollar thirty, sixty day cancellation clause. 17 - 2 - Gaston: Well, our situation is that after I went up to New York last week we rejected all the bids we had because none of them were fully consis- tent with our proposal. They weren't contig- uous space. If we were going to take non- contiguous space, there were some other build- ings that should have had an opportunity to bid, but we are putting out new proposals and new bids have come in on the thing, and we haven't sized them up yet. The cheapest space was about that dollar thirty figure, on the offers we got, but it was pretty bad space. H.M.Jr: Well, you might take a look at Number Two Park Avenue, and the President doesn't want us to tie up for any length of time. Those are orders. Gaston: Would that mean -- H.M.Jr: Sixty day cancellation clause. Gaston: Sixty day cancellation? H.M.Jr: Yes. (Mr. Odegard entered the conference.) Gaston: All right. We asked for space in buildings below Chambers Street, 80 we couldn't consider Number Two Park Avenue. H.M.Jr: How many thousand feet do you want? Gaston: About seventy thousand. H.M.Jr: I said sixty, that is pretty close. Gaston: Pretty close, yes. H.M.Jr: I was fifty per cent right, Ed. I wrote it out and forgot to tell you. 18 - 3 - Foley: Oh. Gaston: Well, I will take a look at that place. Whose building is that, do you know? H.M.Jr: I don't know whose it is. It is Thirty-fourth Street. He doesn't say -- Gaston: No, no, not under the new numbering. They are way down at Twenty-third Street. H.M.Jr: Want to make a bet? Gaston: The old numbering was Number One Park Avenue at the corner of Thirty-fourth Street, but that was changed by city ordinance. They moved the lower numbers way down. This may be old Number Two, but it wouldn't be Number Two now. H.M.Jr: I won't argue. Foley: It used to be right across from the Vanderbilt Hotel. I made a good bet last night with Frank Knox. Ten dollars. He named the amount and the conditions. He said that before the first of September that Leningrad, Moscow, Smolensk and Odessa would fall. White: I would like to take nine dollars of that. Gaston: By when? H.M.Jr: Before the first of September. Ten dollars. How much do you want? White: Nine. Gaston: Which way? H.M.Jr: Why are you so conservative? 19 - 4 - White: I want to leave you a buck. Sullivan: I would like to lose eight dollars. I will give you nine on that. White: Make it ten. Viner: All four will fall? H.M.Jr: All four. Viner: That is not a way to make a good bet. He ought to say three out of those four, because they may not want one of those. (Laughter) H.M.Jr: I thought it was interesting. You (Sullivan) want to bet on Frank Knox's set-up? Sullivan: I already have. H.M.Jr: How much? Sullivan: Ten with each of us. H.M.Jr: Same bet? White: No, an additional bet. Sullivan: That is right. White: Anybody else want to lose any money? Sullivan: I want to lose that bet, I will tell you. H.M.Jr: You don't want to bet with me? Sullivan: Yes. H.M.Jr: Crowding you a little bit? Sullivan: Not crowding me. Nobody can crowd me. I stop when I have got enough. I will take another ten. Do you want another ten? 20 - 5 - H.M.Jr: Yes. Sullivan: All right, you have got it. H.M.Jr: No, it isn't fair. Sullivan: Why not? H.M.Jr: It is too much. Twenty dollars is plenty. I will get 8, thousand dollars' worth of satis- faction out of winning it from Frank Knox. White: You will get much more out of John. You will never let him forget it. H.M.Jr: That is why I say it isn't fair. He is up against the two of you, and it is enough. White: That is about right odds. (Laughter) H.M.Jr: What were you saying? Odegard: I just wanted to ask if these losses and gains were taxable on the one hand, and deductible on the other. Bell: They are taxable, but they are not deductible. Sullivan: The losses are deductible only up to the point of your gains, and you be sure you report your gains. Odegard: I was worried about you, John. H.M.Jr: Herbert? Gaston: I was going to say, about this cancellation clause, we could put that in, but it costs just about as much for alterations in the space we take as 8. year's rent, just about, because our stuff is so badly cut up. Regraded Unclassified 21 - 6 - H.M.Jr: Well, this is what he wants. Gaston: Yes, right. H.M.Jr: He has a reason. Gaston: Yes. H.M.Jr: All right? Gaston: Yes, all right. Foley: When I spoke to the Russian Ambassador, he wanted to know if we had drafts of those notes by eleven o'clock. I told him, "I don't know." Gaston: To interrupt, the Russian Ambassador wants you to know that he has offered to lend us the icebreaker Krassin for eight months. H.M.Jr: This isn't the one that is in the Baltic, is it? Gaston: No, she is in the Bering. She is in the - around Bering Straits right now. H.M.Jr: Going to lend it to us? Gaston: For eight months. Of course, she badly needs dry docking, and they have got no place to dry dock it and they won't need it until the first of April. H.M.Jr: Can we use it? Gaston: I think there is B. possibility if we can get it through in time it might be some use off the east coast of Greenland, but I am not sure. For any spring work on the west coast, of course, the first of April is just about the Regraded Unclassified 22 - 7 - time when this deal would expire, just about the time we need it, but there might be a chance to do some work with it in September, which is only - I am 8 little doubtful whether she could be gotten then. H.M.Jr: Their crew or our crew? Gaston: I assume our own crew. They said lend the boat. I don't think we want a Russian crew aboard. I don't think it is feasible, but he just wanted you to know that. H.M.Jr: Thank you. Foley: I told him that we would have -- H.M.Jr: No, no, it hurries me. Foley: Yes. H.M.Jr: And I want Welles to know about it. Foley: Yes, I know. H.M.Jr: Anything else? Foley: This Tatuta Maru is in a first class mess out in San Francisco. H.M.Jr: Anything more than what you -- Foley: Yes, there are seven or eight libels attached. The marshals are on board and she is still there. I was trying to get hold of Dean. Gaston: They weren't planning to leave until noon. H.M.Jr: Well, I am not - I mean, I am not interested in the last minute. I mean, if she goes, all right, and if she stays, let me know. You Regraded Unclassified 23 - 8 - might let me know before five minutes of two where it stands. Gaston: Yes. H.M.Jr: When I go to Cabinet. Gaston: Yes. H.M.Jr: You might get me at five minutes of two. Gaston: We washed our hands of it. H.M.Jr: Where were you from around five to seven last night, John? Sullivan: Well -- H.M.Jr: Because Mr. Doughton concentrated on me. Sullivan: I was in the office until about -- H.M.Jr: About every five minutes he called me after he got the letter. Sullivan: ....R quarter past six. I was home after that. Last night? H.M.Jr: Oh, yes. I am supposed to go up there on the Hill but Senator Walsh was coming here at nine and I sat here all morning waiting and he went over to the Navy Department. He was supposed to come over. I haven't been able to get up on the Hill. Sullivan: Well, he hasn't called me at all, sir. H.M.Jr: Well, we will just sit. What should he do? He can't reach the President. He can't do this. What about publicity? It would be terrible if it got out. I talked to Grace Tully, and she talked to the President. 24 - 9 - She called me. It was back and forth, back and forth. The President wants to get it in the papèrs and Doughton doesn't. My money is on the President. Gaston: If Doughton can keep the news to himself alone -- H.M.Jr: I think you will see it will begin to leak shortly. That is the latest report. Not from Treasury though. I have got nothing to do with it. He talked very nice to me, still, very friendly like. He said that three times -- every time I would say, "Yes," he would say, "What is that you said?" I would say, "Yes". "Why don't you answer me?" "Yes." "I can't hear you. It was a wonderful conversation. (Laughter) Sullivan: Yesterday afternoon up on the Hill of course they didn't know anything about this thing and they were all telling me if the Secretary doesn't get 8. strong statement in favor of this thing up here, this is going to be licked. H.M.Jr: Well, Mr. Roosevelt is handling it personally, 80 we will see what happens. Sullivan: We just have nothing to say about anything. H.M.Jr: No, how can I tell Robert Doughton what he should do between himself and the President? The President won't talk to him. We will just sit. Sullivan: If it is put up to us whether we inspired this or not, like the last time -- H.M.Jr: You were out on the golf links, just tell them that. Sullivan: Well, they know that Dan and Ed and I were there' Thursday afternoon. Regraded Unclassified 25 - 10 - H.M.Jr: Then say Dan inspired it. Bell: O.K. H.M.Jr: No, you don't know anything. Cochran: That message we received last night at six thirty from London gave about the assurances I think you wanted on the distribution and so on of Lend-Lease goods. H.M.Jr: Did you send it to me? Cochran: Yes, sir. H.M.Jr: I read everything you sent to me. Cochran: This was the last one that came last night. H.M.Jr: What was that? I read them all. Cochran: That is this one. H.M.Jr: Thank you. Do you circularize these? Cochran: Oh, yes. That is being circularized this morning, copies of it. H.M.Jr: It is all right, isn't it? Cochran: I thought it was. H.M.Jr: Well, circularize it and I will take it up to the country and read it. Where is Section One? Cochran: That I gave you last night, too. H.M.Jr: Well, get Section One and I will take the stuff with me to the country. Cochran: Coyne sent me -- Regraded Unclassified 26 - 11 - H.M.Jr: What? Cochran: Coyne sent me a complete series of the Canadian Victory Bond documents. H.M.Jr: Oh, I would like that. Well, Bell gets copies and Foley and White. Cochran: Of this too? H.M.Jr: Sure. Cochran: Oh, that is all right. And I sent copies to Phil Young also. H.M.Jr: That is a good heading. Have you seen this? "Canada must borrow for victory." I will take this home and look at it. Anything else? Cochran: No. H.M.Jr: Professor Viner, we are all balled up this morning with troubles, so pending when I hear from Senator Walsh and the Russian Ambassador bringing in General Hair Tonic at eleven o'clock -- (Laughter). That is as near as I can come to pronouncing it. You pronounce it. Foley: Goliakoff. H.M.Jr: He is a first cousin of the economic adviser to Mr. Hull, Mr. Pasvolsky. Foley: Same thing, a slippery name. H.M.Jr: So we will see, Jake, how we get along. If you will stay behind pending when I hear from the great Senator Walsh. Roy? Blough: Harry Hamann in Foreign Funds and the Secret Service wouldn't let him keep him because he had a mother in Hungary. Would you have any Regraded Unclassified 27 - 12 - objections to my taking him over? White: He is an able man, and came very well recommended from the SEC, where he had been working for many years. H.M.Jr: He has got a mother in Hungary? White: Yes. H.M.Jr: What the hell has that got to do with it? White: Well, on the Foreign Funds the Secret Service pointed out the possibility that he may be subject to pressure and I think that in that area we want to be extremely careful. H.M.Jr: Is he an American citizen? White: Yes. He has been here, I should imagine, about fifteen years or something like that. Buckley recommended him first to me, Young's assistant, but in Taxes he wouldn't have access to any of that material. He is going to have him, I understand, on state taxes. I think that is what you mentioned to me, Roy. Blough: Business and corporation taxes. White: That is right. Blough: We are a little bit on the spot on that, Mr. Secretary, because I took him away from SEC and we got their permission -- H.M.Jr: Who is arguing that he shouldn't go? Blough: Just wanted to make sure that you had no object- ions. H.M.Jr: Of course not. My God, it would be a pretty mess. Did you consult Jimmie Dunn on it? 28 - 13 - White: Jimmie Dunn? No, I never thought of that. That would be one way of keeping him, I should think. (Laughter) H.M.Jr: All right. What else? Blough: For the members of the group, I have copies of the Ways and Means Committee Report on the tax bill, if they are sufficiently interested in it. I will be glad to hand them out after the meeting. H.M.Jr: I would do that, after the meeting. Blough: Would you care for one, Mr. Secretary? H.M.Jr: I would love one. What else? Ferdie? Kuhn: I have nothing. H.M.Jr: I am going to call Ferdie "Maestro" from now on. Kuhn: I have nothing. H.M.Jr: Mr. Lorenz all right? Odegard: So far as I know. He is still sober. H.M.Jr: Still sober? (Laughter) Is that something? Odegard: I think it would be impossible for him to be otherwise. H.M.Jr: What else? Odegard: That is all. Schwarz: I picked these up off Fitzgerald's desk (handing clippings to Secretary). 29 - 14 - H.M.Jr: I don't think you have been quite the same since you had that all night session with him. Odegard: I haven't. H.M.Jr: What else? Schwarz: That is all. H.M.Jr: Harry? White: I have nothing. H.M.Jr: Harold? Graves: I have nothing. I take it you don't want us at eleven. H.M.Jr: No, I have got the Russians coming in. I think we will just have to let it go. Graves: I have nothing. H.M.Jr: Daniel? Bell: I wanted to give you this letter that Henderson wrote on the Executive Order to control consumer credit (July 25, 1941). I merely acknowledged it and said I would bring it to your attention. H.M.Jr: I will take it to the country. White: Mr. Secretary, I don't know whether there would be any occasion in which you would want to say anything about cotton, but I think that that is an inexcusable step for them to hold on to that cotton. H.M.Jr: I agree with you. White: That they have, and I understand, reading the report and talking with MacDonald of the Regraded Unclassified 30 - 15 - Price Committee, Wickard took no action at all. He wouldn't even see the President about it and nobody else saw anybody -- H.M.Jr: Have you got the facts? White: Well, that is what the - that fact, yes. H.M.Jr: I mean for me to bring it up at Cabinet, I would have to be about a hundred and one per cent sure. Bell: There is a bill introduced. White: The facts are that they are not going to sell the cotton except at B. higher price. They are holding it for a higher price. H.M.Jr: Well, have you got any arguments for me? White: Oh, yes, very definitely. H.M.Jr: Can you give me a memo at five minutes of two? White: Let me try and see if it is good enough. H.M.Jr: All right. Bell: There is a bill introduced in Congress to freeze the cotton and the wheat. H.M.Jr: It is terrible. I think it is terrible. What els e? Bell: This price control bill of Henderson's, I understand, is going to be handled by the Banking and Currency Committee and that you will probably be called to testify. I have a suspicion, before the thing gets through, that it will go into the whole monetary field about like the Wagner resolution contemplated. 31 - 16 - H.M.Jr: I see. Bell: That may be the reason why they haven't agreed upon it yet. I just have that suspicion, that they are going to get into the whole monetary field. H.M.Jr: Good. Bell: So that you may have to appear before those Committees before you go away. H.M.Jr: Are we buying much silver? Cochran: Not very much lately. Canada hasn't given her full quota for some months. H.M.Jr: If a man is a manufacturer of silver in this country he has got to use foreign silver, hasn't he? Cochran: Yes. White: Well, he gets it for thirty-five cents an ounce less. Bell: He has got to unless he wants to pay seventy- one cents. White: No domestic manufacturer would sell it -- H.M.Jr: Unless he is crazy. What else? Bell: That is all. Thompson: The Executive Order establishing the Economic Defense Board provides that members may desig- nate alternates. H.M.Jr: Bring it up Monday, please. Sullivan: Mr. Secretary, while we were discussing the Regraded Unclassified 32 - 17 - rubber taxes, it was brought to our attention that although local rubber stocks are subject to priorities and control, there is 8. British organization in New York that is writing to all these manufacturers telling them that they have plenty of rubber and if there is - if the manufacturer has any difficulty, to get in touch with them, and they will be glad to supply them. I think I ought to bring that to the attention of OPM. If there is such 8. shortage of rubber, I think they ought to have a bid on those foreign stocks. They are writing to all of the American manufacturers and I have one of those letters. H.M.Jr: Do it. Sullivan: McLean of New Jersey turned it over to me. E.M.Jr: Dan, give me a thumbnail sketch of how the publicity and promotion stands on these taxpayers' notes of yours. Bell: My! Well, the official circular was released this morning and it is contemplated that there would be a certain amount of radio publicity. I can't give you the details, but I have got a memorandum of it. It would go pretty well throughout the country in the next ten to twelve days and after that the publicity will stop. H.M.Jr: Will stop? Bell: Yes. Now, maybe at the next month we ought to get out another little statement as to what has been done and that they will continue and the new price, but that is about all that is con- templated. Regraded Unclassified 33 - 18 - H.M.Jr: Well, let's see how they go and we can decide. Schwarz: I heard a spot announcement last night on the radio. Not the regular news flash, but the spot announcement. Bell: The radio is cooperating very well. There will be some questions which will fit into the Savings Bond question. You remember Calla- han said he thought we were over-doing that a little and he wanted to reduce it to three days a week and that extra three days he would take up in tax note questions. H.M.Jr: Yes. O.K. Bell: Apparently there are a lot of inquiries and there is a good deal of interest. We are go- ing to get a lot of money. White: There was a news item about having three mil- lion dollars worth of gold, which is illegal. I don't know whether somebody is doing some- thing about it. Did you notice? Foley: Yes. H.M.Jr: O.K. BA August 1. 1941 Files Mr. Cockres At the 3115 staff Resting hold is the Secretary's office yesterday after- noon, the Secretary asked Mr. Graves to tell Mr. Mask that the treasury Department vas to clear the requisitions of the British which have been hold w youding a decision ON the rubject of lond-leasing goods to treat Britain which my be air- tributed through private channels is make a very as to permit "profiteering". In server to the question which I raised at the meeting, the Secretary stated that vo could give the groen light" not only for the requisitiens MV pending, bet for such similar requisitions that my be received before the Secretary has had at oppertunity to leek into the question as it nov stands, and take . definite decision in the premisss. After the Staff Mosting this seraing, Mr. Viner and I refere diseasing this subject, and the question arree as to whether sayone had been instructed to 100 the Lond-Lence people know of the decision which was taken yesterday. wish Mr. Viner present. I telephoned the Lond-Lease office, and spoke with Mr. Cox, is the absoure of Mr. Young. Mr. Cox had received se verá in regard to the Secretary's meeting of yesterday afternoon. I make 11 clear to Mr. Gez that the Secretary still reserved his position on the general meetion, but 414 not decire that any British requisitions be hold up is the meantine, insefer as the Treasury is I explained to Mr. Oer that I had given the decretary & full not of the coblegrame from Leader. including the one reseived late last night setting forth the test of 6 British state- mest, It vas the Secretary's 1400 that be vould study these documents ever the resident, mL that ve wald have a meeting with the British $8 Toesday of noxt werk. I also telephened Mr. Graves and reported 4 conversation with Mr. Oex. It vse agreed that Mr. Graves would ask Mr. Week or his assistant to got is tensis with Mr. Cex is order that there wald be se possible dolay Lacefor M the treasury is concerned with the licenses under reference. I gave B. insure some background information on the conversations which have taken plase between the Brittsh, the Lond-Lease officials and the treasury the past fev days. After this conversation, I telephoned Mr. Deviey. Financial Counceler of the British Rubasey, and told his u got is touch with No. Sex since Secretary Margen then had nov given a elearance, insefar as the treasury is conserned, for taking sare of the accumulation of requisitions which 90 have been discussing this week. I explained clearly that the Secretary 10 recerving his position es the general question. nad is looking into 11 at saso, with the 140s of resolving 10 early next work, but that be 414 not vast the Treasury to be is my very responsible for delaying any of the surrent British requisitions. Mr. Bowley vas must approciative of the Secretary's helpful consideration, at said that he rould got Mr. Archer buy at case is contacting Mr. Dez. I asked Mr. Beviey to lot Be know personally If there sight w MJ difficulty or delay. Furthermers, I lot Mr. Bowley have that the Secretary hoped to have s. meeting with the British at nmx 3 o'elock on sont. HMC: 8/1/41 Regraded Unclassified 35 EXECUTIVE OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENT OFFICE FOR EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT WASHINGTON, D.C. August 1, 1941. Dear Secretary Morgenthau: 1) On our telephone conversation of this morning about lend-lease aid to the Free French: The President signed the directive authorizing the United Kingdom to re-transfer aid to the Free French. For your information, I am enclosing a copy of the directive. 2) For your confidential information, I am en- closing a copy of a memorandum on setting up a Council for Defense Policy. As I mentioned, it could do better on the Russian situation than the present set-up. Sincerely yours, Oscar lox Hon. Henry Morgenthau, Jr., Secretary of the Treasury, Treasury Department, Washington, D. C. Enclosures Regraded Unclassified 36 COPY July 31, 1941. My dear Mr. Purvis: By my letter of June 13, 1941, I authorized the Secretary of the Navy to transfer certain defense articles to His Majesty's Government in the United Kingdom, among them the following: Requisition Number Quantity Articles - Description 166 64,110,000 ft. DeGaussing Cable By my letters of May 16, May 22, May 31, June 9, and June 13, 1941, I authorized the Chairman of the Maritime Commission to transfer certain defense articles to His Majesty's Government in the United Kingdom, among them the following: Requisition Number Quantity Articles - Description 382 435,000 yards Lead Covered DeGaussing 382-A1 Cable for tankers - various patterns and sizes 382-A3 1500 Tanker Junction Boxes 250 Manifolds 50 Engine Room Switchboards 1000 "COS 60" Ironclad Change- over Switches for Manifolds 200 "COS 30" Ironclad Change- over Switches for F1 and Q1 Circuits. 32450 Glands for Armour Clamp and Bulkhead 510 6,807,000 ft. DeGaussing Cable - various 510-A sizes and patterns Regraded Unclassified 37 - 2 - Requisition Number Quantity Articles - Description 602 2,500,000 ft. DeGaussing Cable - various 602-A sizes and patterns 758 960 Switch panels. Type "X". including one 100 amp. ammeter 864,000 ft. Casings and Covers - 5" X 7" 786 Various DeGaussing Instrument Parts (Fluxmeter) 1366 2,400,000 ft. DeGaussing Cable - Various sizes and Patterns Pursuant to Section 4 of the Act of March 11, 1941, entitled "An Act Further to Promote the Defense of the United States, and for other purposes", I hereby authorize His Majesty's Government in the United Kingdom to transfer such quantities of those articles as it may deem necessary to the French Volunteer Force ( Free French). Very sincerely yours, FRANKLIN D. ROOSEVELT (Sgd.) Hon. Arthur B. Purvis Chairman, British Supply Council in North America Willard Hotel Washington, D. C. Regraded Unclassified 38 MEMORANDUM July 31, 1941 TO: The President FROM: Wayne Coy SUBJECT: Council for Defense Policy. 1. In the light of the public talk about setting up one man to run the defense program, you may want to consider two alternatives which are likely to be more workable. 2. One alternative would be to expand the Office for Emergency Management by the addition of a very few top-notch staff people, without administrative or operating duties, who would act as catalytic agents in getting policy questions pre- sented for decision to you directly, or through Mr. Hopkins, in the most time-saving manner. 3. The other alternative would be to appoint a Council for Defense Policy, consisting of the Secretaries of War, Navy, State and Treasury, the Vice President is suggested so that the Council for Defense Policy can deal with the problem of coordinating the interrelated problems of supply, economic defense and political and Regraded Unclassified 39 - 2 - military strategy. To conserve the time of the members of the Council who are members of the Economic Defense Board, they will doubtless, and should, designate alternates to sit on the subordinate Economic Defense Board. 4. To make it workable, the Council for Defense Policy should have its own small secretariat or executive staff, maintaining liaison with all governmental agencies concerned with national defense. The Office for Emergency Management, or a similar staff, could do this ser- vice job. The Secretariat at the direction of the Board, or on its own initiative, could strip the policy issues for decision, and buttress them with the facts necessary for decision and execution. 5. The Council for Defense Policy could determine or make re- commendations to you on the following types of major policy questions: a) Central Defense Requirements. In developing a munitions pawer sufficient to achieve victory over the axis powers, should we, in conjunction with Britain and the others fighting the aggressors, plan to match or out- strip the axis powers on the available supply and productive capacity for guns, tanks and planes? The Council for Defense Policy, with the assistance of its own staff, could do all the groundwork on 40 - 3 - this, and make concrete recommendations to you to meet the objective agreed upon. b) Allocation between U.S., Britain, U.S.S.R. and China, etc. Such allocation problems are recurrently presented. You time could be conserved if all the relevant facts were gathered by the Council and its staff and definite recommendations were made to you. The present problem Vis a vis Russia indicates how difficult it is to get the Army or the British to give up equipment on which they have a claim. Since there is not enough equip- ment presently available to supply all needs, a high policy question is involved in the dis- tribution of it. It would be of material and time-saving assistance to have the facts and the issues clearly presented to you for decision. c) Priorities. Once the all-out objectives or requirements are articulated, major policy questions are still presented in the intermediate stages such as the Regraded Unclassified 41 - 4 - present. If we are to have a two-ocean navy, should all naval items redeive first and highest priority, or, instead of having 15 cruisers, for example, would we intermediately rather have 7 cruisers and a thousand heavy four- engine bombers, consistent with the ultimate ob- jective? Put another way: Should four-engine bombers come ahead of naval aircraft patrol ships? d) Political, Economic, Military and Naval Strategy. The situation in the Far East illustrates the close connection of all of these strategies. For example, if Japan wants to sell us silk, should we buy it? Have we presently enough silk for parachutes and other military needs? If we buy or don't buy silk from Japan, what effect will it have on the political and military policy of the Government? e) Jurisdictional Questions. To conserve your time the Council for Defense Policy could wither resolve such conflicts as Regraded Unclassified 42 - 5 - those between OPM and OPACS or make concrete recommendations on a method or methods for avoiding such conflicts. In this connection, consideration should be given to the possibility of asking Congress for overall governmental reorganization powers for defense purposes, such as was granted in the last war by the Overman Act. f) Other Major Defense Policy Questions. There will doubtless be innumerable high policy questions relating to defense which the Council can decide or put up to you for decision. 6. Membership in the Council for Defense Policy could be made sufficiently flexible to permit adjustments for future developments. It might be desired to add to the Council members who would have no fixed administrative responsibilities or to have on it an individual having charge of most of the defense production. 0SC:djb 7-31-41 Typed:mcb Regraded Unclassified 43 Treasury Department Division of Monetary Research Date 19 To: Memorandum for the Files: .From: On August 11, 1941, Secretary Morgenthau gave his approval of this letter. H. D. White 44 OFFICE FOR EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT DIVISION OF DEFENSE AID REPORTS WASHINGTON, D. C. August 1, 1941 Dear Mr. Purvis: Section 4 of the Lend-Lease Act requires the consent of the President to any retransfers of lend-lease articles by His Majesty's Government. Distribution through commercial channels in the United Kingdom and in other parts of the Empire of neces- sity involves a retransfer and Presidential consent. In the administration of the Lend-Lease Act the President will expect that, insofar as practicable, lend-lease articles will be distributed through Government agencies and, in the case of foods, on the free list. Where such distribution is not practicable, the President will, before granting his consent to commercial distribution, require assurances that: (a) The articles to be distributed commercially, and those into which they are incorporated, are essen- tial to the British war effort. (b) The commercial channels of distribution to be used are the most effective and economical means of assuring the efficient use of the articles or their prompt delivery to the places where they are needed, and Regraded Unclassified 45 - 2 - (c) No profiteering by commercial distributors of the articles will be permitted. Since the nature of distribution and ultimate destination of the various articles to be commercially distributed either in their original or in an advanced form naturally varies widely with a particular article, it is impossible for any blanket consent to retransfer to be given and each case must be determined on its own facts. The following, however, are suggested as items of in- formation which would assist the President in determining whether the basic ariteria set forth above have been met. (1) Destination of articles - in original and advanced forms, e.g. United Kingdom, Dominions, colonies, etc. (2) Intended use of articles and those into which they are to be incorporated, e.g., military, civilian, etc. (3) Method of distribution to be adopted, showing the channels through which the materials pass to the user. (4) Availability of Government distribution agencies. (5) The status of the distributors, 1.e., whether they are acting as agents of the distributing Government or as principals purchasing to re-sell to consumers. (6) The extent to which Government supervision is exer- cised over distributors to insure that the prices and fees charged by them will be limited to a minimm reasonable remuneration for services actually performed. Regraded Unclassified 46 - 3 - (7) Details of distribution, e. E., g. will the recipient Government sell the articles to a manufacturer, or will it deliver them to him gratis for incorporation in a completed article. More detailed information will be expected in case of dis- tributions in the Dominions and other parts of the Empire than in the United Kingdom in view of the strict controls known to be in force in the United Kingdom. The foregoing are suggestions only and are not intended to be all-inclusive, as the necessity for further and different informa- tion will undoubtedly become apparent in particular cases. I am confident that most cases will fall into more or less standardized patterns, 80 that a method of presenting the necessary information can be worked out which will avoid useless repetition and complication of requisitions. Very truly yours, H.H.BURNS Major General, U. S. Army, Executive Officer Hon. Arthur B. Purvis, Chairman, British Supply Council in North America, Willard Hotel, Washington, D. C. dhm - Copy -Drl 47 TREASURY DEPARTMENT PROCUREMENT DIVISION OFFICE OF THE DIRECTOR WASHINGTON August 1, 1941 MEMORANDUM TO THE SECRETARY: Weekly Report - Lease-Lend Purchases (7/25/41 - 8/1/41) Requisitions Estimated Cost Cleared by O.P.M. $ 194,826,286.27 Awaiting clearance by O.P.M. 20,993,665.00 Total Pending Requisitions $ 215,819,951.27 Less Requisitions for metals, where contracts will be made for term periods and allocations required from O.P.M. $ 98,930,860.72 Total Pending Requisitions for Spot Purchases $ 116,889,090.55 Purchases to 7/25/41 $ 74,290,927.20 Purchases 7/25 to 8/1/41 13,496,721.05 - Total to 8/1/41 $ 87,787,648.25 Following inquiries concerning availability and method of purchas- ing we have issued tenders for quotation on 24,000,000 ft. B.M. of Spruce and 20,000,000 ft. B.M. of Fir, both Aero grade. We are now making a similar study of substantial Ball Bearing requirements approximating $4,000,000 with a possible $4,000,000 of additional purchases, and when sufficient information is obtained negotiations with the industry will then be effected. Ia Clifton E. Mack Director of Procurement Attachments-4 MEM ANDUM TO THE SECRETARY: AUGUST 1, 1941 CONTRACT REQUISI- NUMBER CONTRACTOR'S NAME TIONER commodity QUANTITY TOTAL VALUE DA-TPS-525 Willard Storage Battery Co. U.K. Batteries 360 $ 1,908.00 If DA-TPS-524 The Firestone Tire & Rubber Co. Batteries 624 5,202.24 " DA-TPS-526 Bowers Battery Mfg. Co. Inc. Batteries 2,220 7,836.60 If DA-TPS-692 Armstrong Cork Co. FiberBoard 750,000 Sq.Ft. 22,275.00 12 DA-TPS-691 U. S. Gypsum Co. Fiber Board 26,737.07 " DA-TPS-475 Gane & Ingram Hyoscine Hydrobromide 10 OZ. 700.00 If DA-TPS-374 Air Reduction Sales Co. Oxygen 2,200 C cu.ft. 2,200.00 If DA-TPS-371 Taylor-Wharton Iron & Steel Co. Cylinders 2,000 26,900.00 If DA-TPS-390 The Dow Chemical Co. Parahydroxydiphenyl 60,000 lbs 13,200.00 DA-TPS-586 The Inland Alkaloid Co. If Hyoscine Hydrobromide 22 02. 2,200.00 If DA-TPS-444 Winthrop Chemical Co. Inc. Plasmochin Tablets 6,000 M Atabrine Tablets 14,000 M Atabrine Ampules 24,000 bxs 426,400.00 DA-TPS-599 International Harvester Export Co. " Tractors and Winches 120,543.00 " DA-TPS-635 Botwinik Bros. Inc. Lathe, Turret 6,170.00 " DA-TPS-669 Eastern Air Lines, Inc. Spare Engines and parts for Douglas Airplanes 19,289.14 DA-TPS-660 Transcontinental & Western Air, Inc. " Radio Equipment & Spare Parts 48 for Airplanes 29,326.17 If Machines, Hobbing 10 34,000.00 DA-TPS-656 Louis E. Emerman & Co. Regraded Unclassif MEM ANDUM TO THE SECRETARY: 2 AUGUST 1, 1941 CONTRACT REQUISI- NUMBER CONTRACTOR'S NAME TIONER commodity QUANTITY TOTAL VALUE DA-TPS-659 Louis E. Emerman & Co. U. K. Mills, Boring Vert. 2 $ 31,850.00 11 DA-TPS-623 S. W. Card Mfg. Co. Tap, Hand 360 541.44 11 DA-TPS-622 Greenfield Tap & Die Corp. Taps, hand 1,008 1,748.16 If DA-TPS-665 Nesbitt Machinery Co. Mill Boring 26,500.00 If DA-1P-657 Mc Cabe & Sheeran Mchy. Corp. Planer, Niles 40,000.00 = DA-TPS-620 The Armco International Corp. Pipe, Culvert 2,100 ft. 3,360.00 If DA-TPS-575 Ideal Commutator Dresser Co. Etching Outfits 2 115.00 If DA-TPS-651 Landers, Frary & Clark Jugs and Vacuum Bottles 36,127.50 II DA-TPS-600 General Cable Corp. Cable 258.3 M. ft. 2,722.86 # DA-TPS-617 Oliver Farm Equip. Co. Potato Diggers 125 26,168.62 " DA-1PS-388 Lancaster Iron Wks. Inc. Bitumen Paddle Mixers 60 153,129.60 H DA-TPS-637 Pioneer Engineering Works, Inc. Crusher Rock 6,920.02 If DA-TPS-639 Ingersoll-Rand Co. Air Compressors 12 86,400.00 DA-TPS- 80 " - (Adj.Ded.) Oliver Farm Equip. Co. 31.88 " DA-1P-498 Lever Brothers Co. Glycerine 2,688,000 lbs. 376,320.00 If DA-TPS-499 The Celine Stearic Acid Co. Glycerine 156,800 lbs. 23,394.56 " DA-TP5-594 American Cyanamid & Chemical Corp. Trisodium Phosphate 672 cwt 1,780.80 Regraded Unclassif MEY RANDUM TO THE SECRETARY: RUGUST 1, 1941 CONTRACT REQUISI- NUMBER CONTRACTOR'S NAME TIONER COMMODITY QUANTITY TOTAL VALUE DA-TPS-690 Johns-Manville Sales Corp. U.K. Fibre Board 1,500,000 Sq.Ft. $ 44,550.00 " DA-TP-603 (General Cable Corp. Cable 16,054.20 ( 11 Cable 228.00 DA-TPS-603 General Cable Corp. If DA-TPS-633 Spencer Lens Co. Microscopes, etc. 50 8,190.00 " DA-TPS-634 Bausch & Lomb Optical Co. Microscopes, etc. 50 8,190.00 II DA-TPP-323 International Paper Co. Board Kraft 8,000 S.T. 420,000.00 DA-TPS-668 Schoder & Lombard Stamp & Die Co. n. Stamps, Inspection Steel 1091 1,320.89 IT DA-TP-667 Millers Falls Co- Drills and Vises 11,122.00 If Screens 6 1,770.00 DA-TPS-697 Max Levy & Co. " DA-TPS-462 Ford Motor Co. Tractors 900 648,573.42 If DA-TPS-355 Simmons Machine Tool Corp. Cessna Airplane 1 31,000.00 DA-TPS-589 Marshall Field & Co. China Blankets 525,000 597,500.00 DA-TPS-569 Steel Improvement & Forge Co. U.K. - 40.00 (Adj.Ded.) " DA-TPS-502 Steel Improvement & Forge Co. Drop Forging 98 G.T. 139,345.00 If DA-TPS-723 Laclede Steel Co. Reinforcement Bars 3,918 G.T. Pipe Metal 80 mi. 340,724.42 50 5 Regraded Unclassif MEMORANDUM TO THE SECRETARY: - 4 - AUGUST 1, 1941 CONTRACT REQUISI- NUMBER CONTRACTOR'S NAME TIONER COMMODITY QUANTITY TOTAL VALUE DA-TPS-316-1 Wickwire Spencer Steel Co. U.K. Wire Rod 1,500 GT. $ 73,965.00 DA-TPS-273 (Adj.Add.) Copperweld Steel Co. China 40,159.90 DA-TPS-716 C. Tennant Sons & Co. " Lead 6,000 N.T. 519,000.00 DA-TPS-313-1 (Adj. Ded.) Youngstown Sheet & Tube Co. U.K. - 36,000.00 If DA-TPS-329-1 Armco International Corp. 531,216.00 (Adj. Add.) If DA-TPS-963 General Motors Corp. Tools & Dies 12,500 D.Fgs. 4,230.00 If DA-TPS-307-1 U. S. Steel Export Co. Carbon Steel 214,040 G.T. 8,531,317.42 If DA-TPS-328-1 Jones & Laughlin Steel Corp. 2,255.00 2 (Adj. Add.) DA-TPS-587 Willys-Overland Motors, Inc. 115.90 (Adj.Add.) Purchases 7/25 to 8/1/41 $ 13,496,721.05 51 Regraded Unclass 52 August 1, 1941 10:27 a.m. Edward Kelly: Hello, Mr. Morgenthau. HMJr: Talking. K: This is Congressman Kelly of Chicago. HMJr: How do you do, Congressman. K: Thank you, sir. I just want to give you a little information. HMJr: Go ahead. K: I presume you've received a letter from this fellow Frank C. Ratsche, President of the Chicago City Bank and Trust Company here a couple of weeks back. HMJr: Well, I may have, but..... K: Well, it's regarding the purposes that employers be urged to distribute bonus payments to employees in the form of defense bonds up to ten per cent of annual salaries. HMJr: Yes. K: Now, I don't know whether you know Ratsche or not. HMJr: No, I don't. K: Well, I know him personally. HMJr: Yes. K: And he's no good. HMJr: Oh, really? K: And I notice also in the issue of "Click" in the month of July where he has a statement there where he was interrogated by this fellow Regraded Unclassified 53 - 2 - Vanderbilt, the roving reporter HMJr: Yeah. K: where he states in there that he wants to see the Nazi government predominate over Europe. HMJr: Oh, really? K: Yeah. So I've got all that information HMJr: Yeah. K: with his picture and everything else. HMJr: Yeah. K: And I've known this fellow for thirty-five years. HMJr: Yeah. K: And he's absolutely a no-good scoundrel, and yesterday I answered the Secretary of the Bankers' Association for the State of Illinois with the same kind of 8 statement I'm giving to you now. HMJr: I see. Well, I appreciate your giving me the information, and we'll look into it. K: Yeah. Thank you 80 much, Mr. Morgenthau. HMJr: Good-bye. K: Good-bye, sir. Regraded Unclassified 54 August 1, 1941 10:30 a.m. HMJr: Hello. Operator: There you are. HMJr: Hello. Grace Tully: Mr. Secretary. HMJr: Grace Efficient Tully! T: Ahem! The President has spoken to Sam Rayburn, BO I guess it's taken care of. HMJr: So you think it'll begin to leak? T: I imagine so. HMJr: Huh? T: I rather imagine that he will inadvertently speak to somebody about it. (Laughs) HMJr: I didn't quite get - when you told Doughton that Rayburn and others had copies, was that correct or were you just kidding? T: No, no. We sent the complete file. We sent a copy of the letter to Doughton and a copy of your letter HMJr: Yeah. T: and the enclosure, to Jere Cooper, to the Speaker, and to Senator George. HMJr: I see. T: All three. And then I said to him - as a little - "And I think several other people, but I don't remember." HMJr: Yeah. T: You see? So that he'd think it was outside there, you see? 55 - 2 - HMJr: Yeah. T: The whole point was to fool him a little. (Laughe) HMJr: Well, then I - - he hasn't called me and I'm very busy, so I think I'll just keep off this. T: Yes. And I think Sam Rayburn will handle it with him in some way. I don't know how. But I imagine that he will, and - or in some way he'll get it out without Doughton because Doughton knows he has a copy. HMJr: Right. Okay. T: I suppose something will be done about it. I hope so, after all this. HMJr: Thank you. T: All right, sir. HMJr: Good-bye. T: Good-bye. Regraded Unclassified 56 August 1, 1941 10:37 a.m. HMJr: Hello. Operator: Mr. Walsh's secretary. HMJr: Hello. Hello. Senator Walsh's Secretary: Mr. Morgenthau, I just talked with the Senator. He'll be at your office at eleven-thirty, sir. HMJr: About eleven-thirty. S: Yes, sir. Is that all right? HMJr: Yes. Can I count on that? S: Yes, sir. Yes, sir. HMJr: At eleven-thirty. S: Yes, sir. HMJr: Yes. I'll readjust my appointments. I'll make it all right. S: All right, sir. HMJr: Thank you. S: Good. Regraded Unclassified 57 August 1, 1941 Files Mr. Cochren Mr. Include telephened as from New Terk at 11 e'cleck this mersing. Be told M that Mr. Villiams, the General Manager of the National Bank of Maiti, vas costing is to ⑉ his on Monday 2020 at 10 e'sleck. Mr. Knoks asked whether the Preasury would approve the sale of gold to the Central Bank of Maiti if the request for such transaction should be use. I told his that the Treasury Department would approve each a sale. I addres that 1 had had no word from the State Department is regard to the prospective yerchase of gold w Haiti since the date on which I had given to that Department the substance of Mr. Knoke's to M as this subject. MH HMC:dm:8/1/41 Regraded Unclassified 58 August 1, 1941 Files Mr. Cochron AS 11 e'clock this meraing Mr. Jenes telephoned Be from the you Maters Division of the Department of state. Be schod whether Mr. Fes had w entra eagy of all of the documents invelved is and pertinent to - Stabilisation Agreement with China which could be made available to Antesender Gause in Chunghing. After checking with Mr. Bernetein 10 was erranged that his office cheald provide - with a complete not of má documents which I was to ask Mr. Jenes to have treas- mitted through the State Department pouch to Aubassafer Games. Jell HMC:dm:8/1/41 Regraded Unclassified 59 August 1. 1941 Under Secretary Bell Mr. Cechrem Mr. Lacour-Sayet, Acting Financial Counseler to the French Babacay. telephened - from Nev York this noraing. the schod as to solicit your personal opinion as to how the Treasury Department reald feel toward the Bank of France investing is Treasury billo up to $200,000,000 of dollar funds which the Boak of Transe BY has on deposit with the Federal Reserve Bank. la new to w question, lacver-leyet said that as sale of gold to acquire dollars with which to purchase Treasury bills was contemplated. Jul HMC:dm:8/1/41 Regraded Unclassified 60 TREASURY DEPARTMENT INTER OFFICE COMMUNICATION DATE August 1, 1941 TO Secretary Morgenthau FROM Mr. Kamarok Subject: Summary of Conference with the Russian Ambassador and Russian Military Mission, August 1, 1941 (Present: Secretary Morgenthau, Ambassador Oumansky, Lieutenant-General Golikoff, Deputy Chief of the Russian General Staff, Engineer-General Respin, A. M. Kamarok) 1. The Secretary accepted, with thanks, the offer of the Krassin from the Soviet Government. The 10,000 ton icebreaker, now in Bering Straits, is offered to the U. 8. Government for eight months. She needs some repairs which may take 8.8 long as one to two months but she will proceed to the United States under her own steam. (Mr. Gaeton has been informed of your acceptance, as you requested.) 2. The Russian Military Mission is dissatisfied with the reception it has received in Washington. The war 1e moving very quickly, while plans for concrete aid are moving very slowly. The President has been very cordial but elsewhere nothing gets done. For example, three days ago Welles wes given an expanded list of Russian requirements and he said that the President would get it within an hour. The Mission saw the President yesterday and he had apparently never seen the list. The President gave a concrete promise for the delivery of a number of fighters to the Russians. But within an hour, doubts began to be created by the Army 8.8 to the availability of the planes. Similerly, in Moscow, Hopkins has been given a list of definite Russian needs but he 16 not giving any concrete answers. The Russians want fighters and modern bombers, particularly B-24's and B-26's, but all modern bombers will help. They were told that no P-40's are available but the British have 150 P-40's in England, still in orates, and 50 P-40's here. If the Russians secured the P-40's which are in England, they would be able to get them to Russia without too great difficulty. Regraded Unclassified 61 - 2 - Division of Monetary Research General Golikoff stated that while the situation at the front 1A very tense, the Russian Army 10 fighting very well and morale in high. Reserves of menpower are inexhaustible but the material now being expended must be replaced. For this purpose, all the assistance possible is necessary. 3. The Secretary stated that the Russian Mission has ample cause for dissatisfaction. He advised them to concentrate first on getting the P-40's from the British. One possible basis for such 8. transfer might be the replacement of these fighters for the British out of American production, on the lines of the transfer of 100 British-owned P-40's to the Chinese. The Secretary explained that control over airplane deliveries 18 no longer in his jurisdiction, but the organization doing this work 18 the former Treasury unit. On learning that the Russians had not yet been put into contact with Oscar Cox, the Secretary immediately had Cox arrange to 000 the Mission, together with General Burns, Admiral Reeves and Colonel Famonville, at 2:30 this afternoon. The Mission 18 to report the resulte of this interview to the Secretary on Monday. The Secretary advised the Russians that Cox 10 very good and the dynamo of the organization. The others are good, too, particularly when B little pressure 18 applied. As one example of progress made, the Secretary said that he was just informed that the President had signed the order granting the first aid to the Free French. 4. The Secretary informed the Russians in strictest confidence that the main source of information on the war the Army had was the German Military Attache. As a result, the President receives 8. distorted picture giving only pessimistic details. The Germans have been doing 8. good Job in presenting the German version of the news around Washington. One of the major tasks of General Golikoff, which the Secretary was sure he would fulfill very well, was to correct this situation. General Golikoff should keep the Army and Navy informed of developments at the front. In this way, the President will then receive a more balanced picture of the war. General Golikoff said that he will arrange to do 80 and will send the Secretary copies of all the information he gives the Army and Navy. 5. The Ambassador and the Generals thanked the Secretary for his assistance and stated that they would be most grateful If he would continue to give them help and advice. Regraded Unclassified 51 - 2 - Division of Monetary Research General Golikoff stated that while the situation at the front 18 very tense, the Russian Army 10 fighting very well and morale is high. Reserves of manpower are inexhaustible but the material now being expended must be replaced. For this purpose, all the assistance possible is necessary. 3. The Secretary stated that the Russian Mission has ample cause for dissatisfaotion. He advised them to concentrate first on getting the P-40's from the British. One possible basie for such 8. transfer might be the replacement of these fighters for the British out of American production, on the lines of the transfer of 100 British-owned P-40's to the Chinese. The Secretary explained that control over airplane deliveries 18 no longer in his jurisdiction, but the organization doing this work 18 the former Treasury unit. On learning that the Russians had not yet been put into contact with Oscar Cox, the Secretary immediately had Cox arrenge to 868 the Mission, together with General Burns, Admiral Reeves and Colonel Famonville, at 2:30 this afternoon. The Mission 18 to report the results of this interview to the Secretary on Monday. The Secretary advised the Russians that Cox is very good end the dynamo of the organization. The others are good, too, particularly when B. little pressure 18 applied. AB one example of progress made, the Secretary said that he was just informed that the President had signed the order granting the first aid to the Free French. 4. The Secretary informed the Russians in strictest confidence that the main source of information on the war the Army had was the German Military Attache. Ae e result, the President receives 8. distorted picture giving only pessimistic details. The Germane have been doing & good job in presenting the German version of the news around Washington. One of the major tasks of General Golikoff, which the Secretary was sure he would fulfill very well, was to correct this situation. General Golikoff should keep the Army and Navy informed of developmente at the front. In this way, the President will then receive a more balanced picture of the war. General Golikoff said that he will arrange to do 80 and will send the Secretary copies of all the information he gives the Army and Navy. 5. The Ambassador and the Generals thanked the Secretary for his assistance and stated that they would be most grateful if he would continue to give them help and advice. Regraded Unclassified 62 August 1, 1941 11:27 a.m. HMJr: Hello. Coerator: Oscar Cox. HMJr: Oscar Oscar Cox: Yes, Mr. Secretary. HMJr: Oscar C: Yes. HMJr: The Russian Ambassador is here with these two gentlemen, and to my amazement they haven't seen you. C: No, they haven't. HMJr: Well, how can they get along in Washington without seeing you? C: Well, I think they can get along. HMJr: No they can't. They're absolutely - they're absolutely bogged down. C: Yeah. HMJr: Now, it's a damned shame. C: Yeah. HMJr: Now, Oscar, the Ambassador wante to bring these two gentlemen around this afternoon to see you. What's a good time? C: Any time that suite them. HNJr: Two-thirty? C: Two-thirty will be fine. HMJr: (Talks seide) Is that good? Regraded Unclassified 63 - 2 - What do you call that..... C: Second floor of the Federal Reserve Building, the Richmond Room. HMJr: The Richmond Room? 0: Yes. HMJr: It always sounds to me like a place that's slightly disreputable. C: Yes. A place of 111-fame. HMJr: What? C: It's a place of 111-fame. HMJr: The place of 111-fame. C: Yeah. HMJr: All right. C: I sent you the copy of the letter on the Free French. The President signed it. HMJr: What's that? C: The President signed the directive on the Free French. HVJr: He did? C: Yes. HMJr: Oh, wonderful! C: And I sent you a copy this morning. You ought to HMJr: Does Pleven know that? C: Yes. I think - well, I don't know that he knows it definitely. You ought to tell him, because you are largely responsible for it. Regraded Unclassified 64 - 3 - HMJr: Well, what does he get? C: Well, he's starting off getting a lot of equipment - degaussing cables and what not for ships. HMJr: Oh, grand! C: And we got the trucks in the works now. HMJr: Well now, see if we can't do as much for the Russians. C: Well, we'll do our darndest. HMJr: Well, that's wonderful. C: Right. HMJr: Grand. Now, we'll have to do as much for them. C: That's another feather for you. HMJr: What? C: I say, that's another feather for you. HMJr: Well now, in order to make life easy for them, have General Burns and Admiral What's- his-name C: Reeves? HMJr: Reeves there C: Yes. HMJr: and Major Thing-a-ma-bob C: Yeah. HMJr: have them all there 80 it'll make it easy for these people. C: All right, I will. Regraded Unclassified 65 - 4 - HMJr: Send for them all and have them all there. C: Fine. HMJr: See? C: Right. HMJr: Do that. C: I certainly will. HMJr: Thank you. 66 August 1, 1941 11:40 a.m. Operator: Go ahead. HMJr: Hello. Rene Pleven: Hello. My respects, Mr. Secretary. HMJr: How are you? P: Very well, thank you. Have you had a little vacation? HMJr: Good. Yes. I had to come back a little early. P: I see. HMJr: Mr. Pleven, I have good news for you. P: Oh-ho. HMJr: The President signed that requisition for you. P: Well, Mr. Secretary, I can see your hand in behind all this, you know. (Laughs) HMJr: But I Just heard it from Mr. Cox. He called me up 80 that I could let you know. P: Yes. I thank you very much. HMJr: The first request that you made has been signed. P: Yes. HMJr: And Mr. Cox was most helpful. P: Oh yes. You Bee, he has been absolutely priceless to me. HMJr: So 67 - 2 - P; Has he told you that we were going to try to move still closer to the line? HMJr: No. P: You eee, this first recuisition 1s one which involvee 8 re-transfer, you see? HMJr: A what? 11. A re-transfer. HMJr: Yes. P: From the British to us. MJr: Yes. P1 And I am, on the advice of Mr. Cox, you see, we are considering the advisebility of outting now another requisition, which this time could be directly to us, without any re-transfer. ThJr: Good. P: And we are just measuring carefully our steps, you see, to be sure not to &° too far. MJr: Yes. iii But I have found him and his assistants, you see, exceedingly helpful. HMJr: Yes. P: And I really want to tell you how grateful I am. HMJr: Well, let me know when I can be of more helt. P: Thank you very much, Mr. Secretary. HMJr: Good. P: And I hope you can still take a little rest. Regraded Unclassified 68 - 3 - HMJr: Well, I hope about the fifteenth of August: but I'll be here for two weeks. At You are here for two weeks? HMJr: Yes. F: oh, I see. HMJr: Yes. P: Thank you - thank you very much. HMJr: Good-bye. P: Good-bye, Mr. Secretary. Regraded Unclassified 69 August 1, 1941 12:02 a.m. HMJr: Hello. Operator: Go ahead. HMJr: Hello. Lord Halifax: Hello. HMJr: Hello, Mr. Ambassador. H: Oh, good morning, Mr. Secretary. How are you? HMJr: Fine. H: Mr. Secretary, I rang you up to know whether there 16 any chance of getting you to come and dine cuietly tomorrow night. HMJr: Well, I'm - that's Saturday. H: Saturday. HMJr: I'm sorry, I'm going home this evening. H: Oh, I thought you perhaps might be. HMJr: No, I'll be back Monday. H: I see. Well, then I must try and catch you next week. HMJr: I'd love it. H: May I call you again? HMJr: Please do. H: Righto, I will. How - you'll be back on Monday? HMJr: I'll be back Monday. H: Right. Right. Good-bye, and I'll call you again. Regraded Unclassified 70 - 2 - HMJr: Thank you. H: Good-bye. Regraded Unclassified 71 August 1, 1941 12:15 a.m. HMJr: Hello. Operator: Congressman Doughton. HMJr: Hello. Operator: Go ahead. HMJr: Hello, Bob? Robert Doughton: All right, Henry. HMJr: My apologies to you. D: Well, that's all right. HMJr: But D: I know how those things sometimes occur. HMJr: Well, if I could have been of any damn bit of use to you, I'd have been on your doorstep at seven this morning; but not being able to be of any constructive help, I took care of a couple of minor emergencies around here. D: I understand that. That's all right. HMJr: But I just want to explain to you - if I could have walked up and said, "Well, now, Bob, I think I could be helpful," I'd have been there at seven o'clock. But I'm just stalled, and I don't know what to say. D: Well, what I wanted - you know you suggested you'd come down - I - that suited me exactly - I thought that I'd like to get a little clari- fication if I could about several matters in connection HMJr: Well Regraded Unclassified 72 - 2 - D: and I'm at a lose to know what I'd do HMJr: Well Dt. because you see we've got this bill in under a special closed rule, we've closed debate today, we expect to vote Monday, and there's a lot of things in here that looks like that you want us to take up and reconsider by our committee - I'm just flabbergasted. HYJr: Well now, Bob, I've always tried to be honest with you. D: what? HMJr: I say I've always tried to be honest. D: You alwaye have been, BE far as I know. HMJr: Now, my hands are tied. I can't give you any advice that would be of any help to you. And as I said the other day, I'm just 8 hired man. I'm not elected by the people; and if I could be of the slightest bit of help to you, I'd have been uo there at D: well, what I was - thought that it might be helpful - there's nothing in the world that's as great a cross to me aB far as public life's concerned, as to be in a oosition where I'm not in accord with the Administration HMJr: Yeah. D: and the leaders of my party HMJr: Yeah. D: and the President, and the Secretary of the Treasury and many people that I have to work with and all that kind of thing. HMJr: Yeah. D: And I try my best, without turning over my conscience and judgment to somebody else, Regraded Unclassified 73 - 3 - to do that, and I want to do that and I will do that; and I'll make BS great a surrender of anything that's not a matter of conviction and principles that any man can. WAJr: Yeah. D: But now then I don't know if the Treasury - if it's going to go out here now at all - that the Treasury's going to be cuoted as being against this provision and this bill requiring mandatory tax returns - joint returns HMJr: Yeah. D: why we went to know that if we're going to have to fight them - whether or not they take un B. neutral cosition now, they say they don't favor it - well, Sullivan just never would take e position until the last hours, then he took a conditional nosition RJr: Yeah. Γ: and when we didn't adopt that he didn't say then whether he was for it or against it. If he's going to be against it, if we didn't adopt that, he should have told us - not wait until this last minute. 4Mr: Yeah. Well, don't blame Sullivan. D: Well HMJr: We D: What I went - do you know now? I understand that copies of the letter were sent to the Speaker and to Jere Cooper SMJr: Yeah. D: end to Senator George. HMJrs Yeah. Regraded Unclassified 74 - 4 - D: Now, do you know whether it's intended for the influence and weight of the Administration to be thrown in the balances against that section of the bill, or 1e it going to be left like it was first, neutral, to let us fight it out - we got no position at all. He wouldn't take a position -- he wouldn't take any position at all until finally in the last hour he did take a conditional position. HaJr: Yeah. That's - well, he WAS doing what I asked him to do. D: Well HMJr: So I mean he only did what I asked him to do. Now D: Now if 1t's going to be understood at this last minute that the weight of the Administration at Treasury ie going to be thrown in the balance side against us, why I want to know it. If it's going to keep hands off and be neutral, well, I want to know that. HMJr: Well, Bob, I can't - 88 Secretary of the Treasury sitting at the other end of the avenue, I never - I'm not doing anything publicly except what I do before your com- mittee. D: well, of course, now, the Speaker's got that letter. HMJr: Yeah. Well, he didn't get it from me. D: I see he didn't. But it was sent down there to him, the letter to me, you know. HMJr: I see. Well, he didn't get it from me. D: Evidently intended to - you see, he's opposed to that provision in the bill. HMJr: But you see, what I'm trying to say 1e that I with you wouldn't push me too hard, because Regraded Unclassified 75 - 5 - my hands are tied and so are my lips. D: Well, I'm not going to push at all. I'm Just putting our situation before HMJr: Well D: What I'm at now - I don't know what - it looke like, it must be, that all I can do ie to cell my committee together in the morning - I can't do it now today HMJr: Yeah. D: and lay that letter before them. HMJr: Well, I don't see what else you can do. D: I don't see anything else I can do. HMJr: No. D: And that just draws the line, right now. HMJr: Yeah. D: In my opinion, confidentally - saying this to you confidentially HMJr: Yeah. D: that it raised the issue, and several of my members - I've shown it to several of my colleagues this morning HMJr: Yeah. D: It raised it direct HMJr: Yeah. D: a candid issue whether or not the Congress could legislate or whether it's been a fizzle at legislating. HMJr: Yesh. Well, I can see that. Regraded Unclassified 76 - 6 - D: You can see that, and I think it's the most unfortunate issue HMJr: Yeah. D: that ever could have been raised, because there's no use of us, not a bit of use of us on Ways and Means Committee. HMJr: Well, I didn D: We've been here for three months, hard work - night and day, when other people can take vacations and rest, and I've no objection - glad they can - laboring and trying to raise revenues of a department which is our consti- tutional and sworn duty, and then if it's to be taken out of our hands, we want to know it and we will know it HMJr: Yeah. D: must know it. HKJr: Yeah. D: Would you blame us? HMJr: No. No. D: It's the blamedest situation that I have ever experienced, and I'm not responsible for it. HMJr: Well, I'm not either. So - any time I've had anything to say to any member of the Congress, I've always said it in committee, before the committee. I've never - I've always addressed my remarks to the Chairman publicly. D: Do you know whether the Speaker had anything to do with that letter or not? Have it written? HMJr: Bob, I've been out of town. Regraded Unclassified 77 - 7 - D: (Laughs) That's not lying, but that's not answering my question. You needn't answer it unless you want to. HXJr: Well, I've been out of town. D: Why, of course. But that don't mean that you don't know of anything that happened in town, but that's your business. I don't criticize. HMJr: Well D: Yeah. Yeah. 9MJr: Yeah. D: All right, Henry. I'm sorry you won't come down to study it, but that's all right. HMJr: Now, wait & minute. Wait a minute. If you - don't get the idea I don't want to come up, but I - if you want to see me. Here's my schedule. At cuarter of one I go over to sell the President the first bond, you see? D: Yeah. HMJr: Then we've got Cabinet at two. D: Well HMJr: Now, I don't want you to feel I don't want to come up. D: Well, that's a matter at entirely your dis- cretion. HMJr: But, if it'd make you any D; I thought it would help if we'd talk over this letter, but HMJr: Well, now, if it would help you any in your D: I'm sitting here BO busy now with the bill, that I Regraded Unclassified 78 - 8 - HMJr: If you want me up there around three-thirty or four, I'll come up there. D: Well, if I do, I'll call back; but I don't, unless you were willing to come or think that I've got to put it all on me. You suggested yesterday that you would come, but it's all right if you HMJr: on no. If it would be at all helpful, I'll be up there around three-thirty or four. Where will you be? D: Well, I'll be on the Floor; but I don't know, with the view you take about it that it would be - I'm not calling for help, I'm calling more for an understanding than I am for help. HMJr: Well, now, how can I get hold of you around three-thirty or four? D: Call me at the Democratic cloak room. I'll be right here. HMJr: The Democratic cloak room. D: Yeah. Confidentially, Henry, I hate to say this. HMJr: Yeah. D: I hate to think it. HMJr: Yeah. D: I'm frankest to my friends than I am to anybody. HMJr: Yeah. D: I feel like that under all the circumstances, we've been hit a terrible blow below the belt. HMJr: Yeah. Well, I'm sorry. Regraded Unclassified 79 - 9 - D: And I don't believe if you were in my place, you'd think otherwise. HMJr: Yeah. Well D: That's a confidential statement. HMJr: I know. Well, just as soon as I come out of Cabinet, I'll give you a ring. D: All right, thank you. HMJr: All right. 80 August 1, 1941 12:35 a.m. HMJr: Hello. Rex Tugwell: Hello. HMJr: Hello. Rex? T: Hello, Henry. HMJr: How are you? T: Pretty good. How are you? HMJr: What are you by this - you Mr. Chancellor? T: Right now, I believe that's correct. HMJr: Wonderful. T: (Laughs) How are you? HMJr: I'm alive. T: Well, that's about all I can say, too. HMJr: I had a message you called me. T: Well, yes. Didn't Herb Gaston - I explained it to him. HMJr: No, he dion't tell me, but he's sitting here now. You can ask him. T: Uh huh. HMJr: Did you fix it up with Herbert? T: Well, I rather think 80. I was asking him for somebody to make 8. study of Puerto Rico's finances, more or less HMJr: Oh. T: in relation to Federal finances. I know that you've always been interested the same Regraded Unclassified 81 - 2 - as I am in the generalization of this benefit payment. HMJr: Oh, very much. The five hundred scre thing. T: And I have an idea that they don't do very well with their tax collections and I have an idea that we ought to do something in the way of finding out what the balance of payments back and forth 1s HMJr: Yes. T: and what it needs to be. RXJr: Yeah. ?: And I thought the Treasury might be interested in that. HMJr: Yeah, we are. We'd be glad to help. T: Uh huh. All right, Henry, fine. That's what I had in mind. HMJr: All right, Rex. T: And if it's proper HMJr: Yeah. T: and if Herbert says 30, I'll write you about it. HMJr: Good. T: Through channels. HMJr: Wonderful. T: All right. HMJr: We've always got to have our red tape. T: Yeah. Regraded Unclassified 82 - 3 - HMJr: All right. T: All right, Henry. 83 August 1, 1941 3:43 p.m. HMJr: Hello. Operator: Congressman Doughton on the line. HMJr: Who? Operator: There you are. HMJr: Hello. Robert Doughton: All right. HMJr: Now, Bob, I'm just out of Cabinet and I'd like to come up and see you. D: I'd be delighted. HMJr: Where can I come? D: I think you'd better come to the Committee Room in the Capitol, Henry. HMJr: The Committee Room in the Capitol? D: Yes. I'll leave here in about ten - twenty minutes. HMJr: Well, I can get up there in ten minutes. D: Well, I'll be right in there. HMJr: Well, how do I find that? D: Well, you just go up to the second story. HMJr: Second story. D: Take the elevator and come to the second story, and I'll be standing there where you get off. HMJr: Second story. D: Ten minutes. Yes. Regraded Unclassified 84 - 2 - HMJr: Well D: Anybody can point out the committee - the Ways and Means Committee Room there in the Capitol. The boys there at the door can, where they go into the House. HMJr: What's that? D: I say the boys there at the door where they HMJr: Well, I'll find 1t. D: Yeah. Be no trouble to find me. I'll be looking out for you. HMJr: It's the Ways and Means Committee Room on the second floor. D: The Capitol on the second floor. You take the elevator and go up to the second floor. HMJr: I'll be there. D: All right. Regraded Unclassified 85 Read to Secretary when he telephoned at 11:15 a.m. 8/2/41. DWB noted 8/4/41 86 THE WHITE HOUSE WASHINGTON August 1, 1941 Dear Harriners I have signed the Insestive Order for the regulation of consumer credit is accordance with yesterday's discussion with you and Leon. This is done with the under- standing we reached is or conversation that you would consult with Heary before taking any action under the Order which night affect the fiscal activities of the Treasury. Very sincerely yours, (Signed) FRANKLIN D. ROOSEVELT Homerable Marriner 8. Roales, Chairmen, Board of Governors of the Federal Receive System, Washington, D. c. Copy for the Secretary of the Treasury Regraded Unclassified sent to Presidents 87 at Cabmet 8/1/41. If " 3 89 88 MEMORAND US FOR THE PRESIDENT 1. Last Tuesday the Senate passed a bill pro- hibiting all sales of Government-hel4 stocks of cotton (amounting to 7 million balos), the prohibition to continue until Congress should otherwise provide. The bill is nov in cenference. The Conferees have not net as yet and probably ven't until the middle of next rook. 2. Cetten prices have risen in the spot market from 9 1/2 cents por pound on August 1, 1939 to 15.79 cente per pound last night. (The parity price of cotton on the farm is 16.49 sents por pound.) Had it not been for the President's statement this week with respect to price evatrol, the price of cotten vould probably MY be above parity. 3. If legislation is engsted freesing the devern- sent supplies of cotton from the market, and if no price coiling on cotton 10 not, we have the basis for spectacular speculative price been is cotton. The unfavorable crop situation and the possibility of restriction on silk imports favor such a beca. (we have the smallest acreage since 1895, and possibility of unusually heavy bell veovil damage threatens a smaller yield per acreage than was forserly anticipated.) 4. Is view of the danger of price inflation and in view of the importance which estton plays In the price structure, it would HOME that the time is insppropriate to enset legislation of the character passed by the Somate. I understand the Secretary of Agriculture has indi- eated his informal opposities to the bill to Semater Barkley. I an vendering who ther the time 1s not opportune for a more vigerous presentation to Congress of the danger to the price structure involved is the passage of the mill. Even if Government settem is not placed on the market the more defeat of the 6112 freesing the cotton vill of itself constitute a desirable foree tending to restrain speculative rises in the price of eetten. HDW:KMB/jm 8/1/41 Regraded Unclassified 89 FOR THE PRESS IMMEDIATE RELEASE AUGUST 1, 1941 1892 It was announced today that the President has directed the Administrator of Export Control to initiate further regulation in respect to the export of petroleum products in the interest of the national defense. The action will have two immediate offects. It will prohibit the exportation of motor fuels and oils suitable for use in aircraft and of certain raw stocks from which such products are derived to destinations other than the Western Remisphere, the British Empire end the unocoupied territories of other countries engaged in resisting aggression. It will also limit the exportation of other petroleum products, except to the destinations referred to above, to usual or pre-war quantities and provide for the pro rata issuance of licenses on that besin. Regraded Unclassified reasury Department 90 AUG 1 1941 NATIONAL THE UTTER soing ARGHIVES MANET FEDERAI REGISTER OF <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< VOLUME a THE 1934 STATES UNITED NUMBER 169 Washington, Friday, August 1, 1941 The President time to time determine, the Board shall CONTENTS perform the following functions and duties: THE PRESIDENT EXECUTIVE ORDER B. Advise the President M to economic Executive Orders: PAGE RETABLISHING THE ECONOMIC DEFENSE defense measures to be taken or fune- Economic Defense Board estab- BOARD tions to be performed which are essential lished 3823 to the effective defense of the Nation. By sutue of the authority vested in me Overtime compensation of cer- b. Coordinate the policies und actions by the Constitution and statutes of the tain civilian employees of of the several departments and agencies United States, by virtue of the existence War and Navy Depart- carrying on activities relating to eco- of an unlimited national emergency. and ments, the Coast Guard, nomic defense in order to assure unity for the purpose of developing and co- and The Panama Canal 3824 und balance in the application of such ordmating policies, plans, and programs Vessels transferred between measures. designed to protect and strengthen the Navy and Commerce De- c. Develop integrated economic de- international reonomic relations of the partments, prior order ferse plans and programs for coordinated United States in the interest of national umended 3825 action by the departments and agencies defense. the ta hereby ordered as follows: concerned and use all appropriate means Military Order: L. The term "economie defense," when- to assure that such plans and programs Organized military forces of the are carried into effect by such depart- Government of the Com- ever used in this Order, means the con- duet. in the interest of national defense, ments and agencies. monwealth of the Phillp- of international economic activities in- d. Make Investigations and advise the plnes called into service of cludina those relating to exports, imports, President on the relationship of eco- the armed forces of the the acquisition and disposition of mate- nomic defense (as defined in paragraph United States 2025 mail and commodities from foreign coun- 17 measures to post-war economic recon- RULES. REGULATIONS, Itms including preciusive buying, trans- struction and on the steps to be taken ORDERS activity in foreign exchange and foreign- to protect the trade position of the instrud of foreign-controlled property, United States and to expedite the estab- Time 8-ALTENS AND NATIONALITY: International investments and extensions lishment of sound, pencelime Interna- Immigration and Naturaliza. of credit, shipping and transportation of tional economic relationships. tion Service: grods smoke countries. the international e. Review proposed or existing legisla- Allen Registration Act. 1940. aspects of patents, international com- tion relating to or affecting economic de- replacement of Inst, etc., munications pertaining to commerce, and fense and, with the approval of the registration receipt other foreign economic matters. President, recommend such additional cards. 3825 2. There La hereby established an Eco- legislation M may be necessary or Time 14-CTVIL AVIATION: Defense Board (hereinafter re- desirable, Civil Aeronautics Authority: Terred to IMI the "Board"), The Board 4. The administration of the various First aid equipment for atr shall consist of the Vice President of the activities relating to economic defense carrier aircraft $820 United States, who shall serve BS Chair- man, the Secretary of State, the Secretary shall remain with the several depart- TITLE 17-COMMODITY AND Securi- of the Treasury, the Secretary of War, ments and agencies now charged with TIES EXCHANGES: the Altorney General, the Secretary of such dutles but such administration Becurities and Exchange Com- the Navy, the Secretary of Agriculture, shall conform to the policies formulated mission: and the Secretary of Commerce. The or approved by the Board. Custody of securities main- Chairman may with the approval of the 5. In the study of problems and in the tained by management President. Appoint additional members formulation of programs. It. shall be the company 3827 to the Board Each member of the policy of the Board to collaborate with Listed and unlisted securities, Board other than the Chairman, may existing departments and agencies which differentiation on ticker- 3027 designate an allornate from among the perform functions and activities per- Time 30-MINERAL RESOURCES: officials of Its Department, mibject to the taining to economic defense and to Bituminous Coal Division: continuing approval of the Chairman, utilize their services and facilities to the Minimum price schedules, re- and AND alternate may act for such maximum Buch departments and lief granted, petitions of: unmbre Board in all matters relating to the agencies shall cooperate with the Board District Board 3 (2 docu- In clearing proposed policies and wes- ments) 3628 7. In furtherance of such policies sures involving economic defense con- District Board 11 3830 and objectives AS the Preddent may from aiderations and shall supply such information and data as the Board may (Continued on next page) 2823 Regraded Unclassified 3824 FEDERAL REGISTER, Friday, August 1. 1941 CONTENTS-Continued the Administrator of Export Control. Department of the Interior-Con. the Division of Defense Aid Reports the FEDERAL REGISTER General Land Office: Page Coordinator of Information, and Ataaka. air navigation alte additional departments And avencies fully u withdrawal 3852 the Chairman may from time to In. Federal Communications Commis- determine. The Chairman shall provide for the systematic conduct of business don: Published daily, essept Sundays. Mondays, Amateur service, withdrawal of with agencies. the foregoing departments and and days following legal holidaye by the frequencies 3852 7. The Chairman in authorized to make Division of the Pederal Register, The National Hearings: Archives, pursuant to the authority con- American Republican, Inc 3852 all necessary arrangements, with the ed- talned in the Federal Register Act. approved Barclay Craighead 3854 vice and assistance of the Board, for July 26, 1035 (49 Brat, 500). under regula- Boone Biblical College 3853 discharging and performing the respon- tions prescribed by the Administrative Com- mitter, approved by the President, 3853 sibilities and duties required to tairy Hennessy Broadcasting Co The Administrative Committee consista of out the functions and authorities wt McCauley, George W., eto 3854 the Archived of Acting Archive an amount forth In this Order, and to make Real of the Department of Justice delignsted by Seaboard Broadcasting Corp. 3853 decisions when necessary to expedite the the Attorney Cleueral, and the Public Printer Federal POWIC Commission: work of the Board, He is further au- OF Acting Public Printer. Montana-Dekola Utilities Co., The daily issue of the Provide thorized. within the limits of such Tunda will be furnished by máil to subsidibers, free notice of application 1854 RE may be allocated to the Board by the of postage, for $125 per month of $12 no pur Securities and Exchange Commis- President, to employ necessary year single 10 cents each: payable tu advance Homit money order payable to the sion: nel and make provision for the necessary Superintendent of Documents directly to the Chicago Stock Exchange, appli- supplies, factiities, and services. The Government Printing Office Washington, D.C. cations granted 3855 Chalrman may, with the approval of the Consolidated Electric and Das President, appoint an executive officer, Co., application filed 3855 FRANKLIN D ROCEIVELY CONTENTS-Cotaed Treasury Department: THE WHITE HOUSE, Piscal Service: Title 32-NATIONAL Derease Page July 30, 1941. Offering of notes. Series Office of Price Administration A-1943 3831 [No. 8391 and Civilian Supply: War Department: Cotton linters, elyflion alloca- (P. n. Doc. 41-5607; Filed. July 51, 1941; Contract summartes! 3831 11:20 . ml (lon program Curtiss-Wright Corp 3834 NOTICES Douglas Aircraft Co., Inc 3835 General Motors Corp 3834 Department of the Interior: Northrop Aircraft, Inc. 3835 EXECUTIVE ORDER Bituminous Coal Division: Uniloy Accessories Corp 3833 Beckley Fire Creek Coal Co., PRESCRIBING REGULATIONS GOVERNING code membership poin- OVERTIME COMPENSATION OF CERTAIN stated 3830 CIVILIAN EMPLOYEES or THE WAR Dr. require in performing its functions, ReDeville Fuels. Inc., provi- PARTMENT, THE NAVY DEPARTMENT 183 The Board may artange for the estab- sioned approval as a mar- COAST GUARD, AND THE PANAMA CAMAL keting ARTICY 3830 lishment of committees or groups of advisers, representing two or more de- By virtue of the authority vested in tan Della Mining CO₂ et nl. tem- partments and agencies as the case may by section 1 of the act of June 2, 1041, porary relief granted 3848 3848 require. to study and develop economic Public Law 100, 77th Congress, I hereby District Board T. relief desied defense plans and programs in respect prescribe the following regulations gove District Board 10. hearing to particular commodities or services, erning the payment of compensation for postponed 3840 geographical arens, types of measures employment in excess of forty hours in Fry, F, n., coase and dolist order that might be exercised, and other re- any administrative workweek to per 3847 lated matters. annum field service employees when Hearings etc.: overtime services are essential to and d- Abney, K. D 3839 6. To facilitate unity of action and the Bonds, A. E maximum use of existing services and rectly connected with the expeditious 2036 facilities. each of the following depart- prosecution of the overtime work upon Carlervitte Coal Co. 3841 Consumers Counsel ments and agencies. In addition to the which employees enumerated in section 2846 departments and agencies represented (a) of the not of June 20. 1040, 64 Stat. Daily City Coal Co 3536 on the Board, shall designate R respon- 676, 678, and section 1 of the net of Octer Foren City Coal Co 3842 nible officer or officers, subject to the ber 21. 1940, 54 Stat. 1205, are engaged: Poster. Melvin 3844 Kieffney Coal Co approval of the Chairman, to represent SECTION 1. Whenever the Secretary of 3846 Lonz a Early the department or agency in Itx con- War, the Secretary of the Navy, the Sec 3839 McCannon Bros Coal Co tintling relationships with the Board: retary of the Treasury, or The Governor 3343 Morris #: Campbell The Departments of the Post Office, the of The Panama Canal, as the case may 3842 Norman, C. T Interior, and Labor, the Federal Loan be, shall determine that employment in 3837 Norris Coal Co Agency, the United States Maritime excess of forty hours a week of any per- 0040 Owl Coal Co Commission, the United States Tariff annum employee in the Bold services of 3836 Payton, Allen Commission. the Federal Trade Com- the War Department, the Navy Depart- 3043 Sheelor, Ed mission, the Board of Governors of the ment, the Coast Guard, or The Panams 3837 Swanton Big Vein Coal Co Federal Reserve System, the Securities Canal is essential to and directly con- 3847 Todrow. Chester and Exchange Commission, the Na- nected with the expeditious prosecution 3845 Warner, W, If. & Co., Inc tional Resources Planning Board, the of overtime work which is belng required 3840 Wraley, Harvey W Defense Communications Board, the of employees enumerated in section 5 (a) 3844 Registered distributors, 10- Office of Production Management, the of the said act of June 20. 1940. and at plications Bled for me- Office of Price Administration and tion 1 of the said act of October 21. 1040. Intration as Civilian Supply, the Office for Coordina- and for which overtime compensation If 3860 Wyali Cost Sales Co., regis- tion of Commercial and Cultural Rela- being paid, he is authorized to provide If tration suspended 3850 tions Between the American Republics, the Permanent Joint Board on Defense, excess of torty hours in any administre- compensation for such employment Regraded Unclassifie FEDERAL REGISTER, Friday, August I, INI 3825 workweek at one and one-half Times EXECUTIVE ORDER such Live employee's regular rate of Day. AMENDMENT OF EXECUTIVE Order No. 8798 Rules, Regulations, Orders SERTION 2. In determining the overtime OF JUAN 10, 1041, TRANSFERRING Co- compensation which may be paid to any TAID Vesans BATWEEN the NAVY Dr. per-annum employee under section 1 PARTMENT AND THE DEPARTMENT or TITLE 8-ALIENS AND NATIONALITY hereof. the pay for one hour shall be COMMERCE computed as one-eighth of such em- CHAPTER I-IMMIORATION AND pay for one day. The pay for By virtue of the authority vested In NATURALIZATION SERVICE to be one me by the Constitution and the statutes (Fourth Supplement to General Order of the em- of the United States, Executive Order No. C-211 ployee's per-annum salary. No. 6708 of June 19, 1941.' transferring PART 170-RXGISTRATION AND PINORS- SECTION I. The Secretary of War, the certain vessela between the Navy Depart- PRINTING OF ALIXAS IN ACCORDANCE Secretary of the Navy. the Secretary of ment and the Department of Commerce, WITE THE ALTEN REGISTRATION ACT, the Treasury, and the Governor of The to hereby amended, effective IMS of June 1940 Panama Canal may designate such sub- 19, 1941, by substituting the United States ordinate officers as they may deem neces- Navy Vessel ARGUS for the United States REGULATIONS GOVERNING APPLACEMENT OF saty to determine the per-annum em- Navy Vessel JAMESTOWN transferred L061, MUTILATED on DESTROYED ALIEN ployees In their respective field services by the said Executive order to the De- REGISTRATION RECEIPT CARDS whose overtime services are essential to partment of Commerce. JULY 30, 1941. and directly connected with the expedi- trous prosecution of the overtime work FRANKLIN D ROOSEVELT Pursuant to the authority contained Tm WHITE House, in sections 12 (c), 34 (a), and 37 (a) of upon which the employees enumerated In inction 6 187 of the said act of June 28, July 30, 1941. Title m of the Act of June 28. 1940 1940, and section 1 of the said act of (54 Stat. 674. 074, 675; A U.S.C. 453 (c), [No, 88381 October 21, 1940, are engaged. 455 10), 458 TALL and to the powers BECTION 4. No overtime compensation P. R. Doc. 41-0551: Flued. July 01. 1941: conferred by 90.1, Title a. Chapter I, may be paid under section 1 hereof to 0.00 ml Code of Federal Regulations (B P. n. 3502), the following regulations are any per-annium employee who during his hereby promulgated and published as regular hours of employment is not nor- portions of Part 170 of sald Title 8, milly engaged on work essential to and MILITARY ORDER Chapter 1. Code of Pederal Regulations directly connected with the expeditious protecution of the work upon which em- ORGANIZED MILITARY PORCES OF THE Gov- (5 P.R. 2836. 3173, 3589, 4560, 4813, 6 F.R. 229, 2580) playeea enumerated in section 5 (a) of ERNMENT OF TAB COMMONWEALTH OF THE Section 170.4 (e) is amended to read the sold act of June 28, 1940, and section 1 PHILIPPINES CALLED INTO SERVICE OF THE as follows: of the anid net of October 21, 1940. are ARMED PORCES OF THE UNITED STATES engaged, 1704 Method of registration. SECTION 6. No employee covered by the Under and by virtue of the authority provisions of section 1 hereof shall be vested in me by the Constitution of the (q) A receipt shall not be laned to restilarly required or allowed to work in United States, by section 2 (B) (12) of any person who has already obtained excess of forty-eight hours in any admin- the Philippine Independence Act of one unless he surrenders his former 11. intrative workwork: Provided, That such Murch 24, 1934 (48 Stat. 457), and by ceipt, except In case of loss, mutilation. limit may be exceeded when 11. is consid- the corresponding provision of the Ordl- or destruction of the original receipt in ered by the Secretary of War, the Secre- nance appended to the Constitution of which event 16 may the replaced in ac- lary of the Navy, the Secretary of the the Commonwealth of the Philippines, cordance with I 170.9 of this part, No Treasury, or the Governor of The Panama and as Commander-in-Chief of the Army person shall use a receipt relating to Canal, or such subordinate officers as they and Navy of the United States, 1 hereby any other person (except in behalf of may designate, to be necessary for the call and order Into the aervice of the his minor child or ward). Il the alten maintenance of the production schedule armed forces of the United States for dies, permanently departs, or in deported for an ordenal, shipyard. shop, or other the period of the existing emergency, from the United States, into receipt shall (stablishment of a similar nature, or to and place under the command of B Gen- be returned to the Immigration and meet other specific emergency situations. eral Officer, United States Army, to be Naturalization Service. If any person SECTION 6. When in the judgment of designated by the Secretary of War from finds B lost receipt of registration. he the head of the department concerned, time to time, all of the organized mill- shall return IL to the Allen Registration the Governor of The Panama Canal, or tary forces of the Government of the Division. Immigration and Naturalize- the subordinate officers mentioned in sec- Commonwealth of the Philippines Pro- tion Service, Washington, D. C. Unn 3 of them regulations, the health or vided, that all naval components thereof The following new section is added to efficiency of any employee will be Im- shall be placed under the command of Pan 170: paired by employment for more than the Commandant of the Sixteenth Naval eight hours It day OF forty hours n. week, District, United States Navy. 170.9 Replacement of lost, muti- such employee shall not be required or lated, or destroyed receipt of registration. This order shall take effect with rélá- permitted to work overtime. (a) Except as hereinafter provided. any tion to all units and personnel of the SECTION 7. IL shall be the policy of the allen whose registration receipt card has organized military forces of the Govern- agencies affected by this order to hold been lost. mutilated. or destroyed may overtime work to the absolute minimum ment of the Commonwealth of the Phil- apply for n new receipt card in then consistent with the requirements of the Ippines, from and after the dates and thereof. Buch application shall be made national-defense program. hours, respectively, indicated in orders under eath or affirmation, upon a form EXCTION 8. This order shall take effect to be issued from time to time by the prescribed for that purpose, and shall be as of June L 1941. and shall be published General Officer, United States Army, des- filed with the district director of the Im- the the FEDERAL REGISTER. Ignated by the Secretary of War. migration and Naturalization Service having jurisdiction over the place of the PRANKLIN D ROOMWALLY FRANKLIN D Roosever applicant's residence. The WHITE House, Tm WHITE HOUSE. (b) When the application for a new July 30, 1941. July 26. 1941 receipt card in received by the district INo. 88371 10. n. Doe 41-8040; Piled, July 81, 1941) director, he shall assign the investigation (7 R. Doo. NL-SONO: Mied, July SI, 1841) 0:37 a. n.) of the application to any officer of the Service within his jurisdiction. The in- 9:00 L. m.) 18 гл. vestigating officer shall conduct such ID- 3828 FEDERAL REGISTER, Friday, August 1. 1941 quiry into the circumstances surround- appropriate division of the Central Office for consideration of such further action. tration, which and in no from the date Ing the alleged loss, muttiation. or de- struction of the original receipt card me to (e) If R duplicate receipt card on mutilated, or destroyed was hand a new receipt In Here of Che law, OR) satisfy himself that such loss, mutilation, Form AR-Sa is issued, it shall be sent or destruction has occurred. If a receipt direct to the applicant by the Allen Reg- printed only, under the provisions (3) An allon seaman who TM Anger- card has been mutilated, It must be sur- Intration Division, and the office where the application was filed shall be advised I 170.8 (6), shall not be entitled to 4 « rendered to the investigating officer be- tain & replacement of the Porm AR-103 fore a new card will be Issued. The in- of the final disposition of the case. which was issued to him at the Line of vestigating officer shall also natisfy him- (I) Any allen child who was less than such fingerprinting, In wich Cases, the self that the applicant la the individual fourteen years of age at the time of his procedure preseribed by I 170.8 (e) 4bad) to whom the registration record relates, registration upon the basis of an appll- again be followed If the alien's receive and shall make any further Inquiry Justi- cation made by his parent or legal guard- fied by the facts in a particular case. If ian under 170.1 (c) or 170.1 (d) and card stroyed. has been lost, mutilated, TXP de deemed advisable, written sworn state- who destres to obtain a new registration (SEAL) ments concerning any pertinent facts receipt card in Deu of B. lost, mutilated, LEMUEL B. SCHOFIELD, Special Assistant to the After- may be obtained from the applicant and or destroyed original may, if the alten ta ney General in Charge Im. any other persons whose testimony less than fourteen years of age at the migration and Naturalita- should be secured. Upon completion of time application is made, obtain a new Non Service. the investigation. the investigating officer card through the procedure specified in Approved: shall recommend the granting or dental paragraphs (a) to (e) of this section. of the application for B. new receipt card, In such cases, however, the application FRANCIS BIDDIE, and If his recommendation La adverse, no for a new card shall be exccuted by the Acting Attorney General. shall state the reasons therefor in writ- child's parent or guardian, preferably the 18. R. Doc. 41-5549; Pliod. July as 1941) ing. The Investigating officer shall ob- same person who made application for 9:36 4. DUE Lain the applicant's signature and a print the original registration; the testimony of his right Index finger upon Form of the parent or guardian Instead of that AR-3a and shall type on the face of that of the child shall be obtained and the new form the name and present address of Form AR-3A. If issued, shall be delivered TITLE 14-CIVIL AVIATION the applicant. If for any reason the im- to the parent or guardian. No finger- CHAPTER I-CIVIL AERONAUTICS pression of the right Index Anger cannot print of the allen child need be obtained AUTHORITY be taken, the impression of another on Form AR-8a, which shall be signed by finger should be obtained and the form the parent or guardian. In any such case [Amendment No. 122 of the Civil Air Regulations| sultably endorsed to show which finger in which no parent or guardian is avail- and hand. able, the matter shall be reported to the PART 61-SCHEDULED Am CARRIER House (c) The Investigating officer shall then Alien Registration Division for special In- (INTERSTATE) forward the application and any testi- structions concerning the procedure to be FIRST AID EQUIPMENT FOR AIR CARRIER mony taken from the applicant and other followed in replacing the original receipt AIRCRAFT persons, together with Form AB-3a. to card. At E session of the Civil Aeronautica the district director having jurisdiction. (g) Replacements of lost, mutilated, Board held at its office in Washington, The district director or an officer desig- or destroyed receipt cards in the cases D. C., on the 29th day of July, 1041. nated by him shall review the record and of allen seamen shall be governed by the Acting pursuant to the authority may, If he deems it advisable, refer the following: vested in It by the Civil Aeronautics M case to the name Dr any other officer of the Service for further Investigation. If (1) An alien who has been lawfully of 1938, as amended, particulary ex- no further investigation is considered admitted to the United States for per- tions 205 (a), 601 and 604 of sald Act. necessary, the entire record shall be for- manent residence and who la by occu- and finding that Its action la destrable warded to the Alten Registration Divi- pation a seaman may replace a lost, mu- in the public Interest and is necessary sion The reviewing officer shall indicate titated, or destroyed Form AR-3 in the to carry out the provisions of, and to whether he concurs with the recommen- manner specified In paragraphs (a) to exercise and perform its powers and dation of the investigating officer, and If (e) of this section. duties under, said Act, the Civil Aero- not, he shall state the reasons for his (2) An alten seaman who was regis- naulics Board amends the Civil Air Rev- non-concurrence. tered under 5 170.0 (d) may, if less than ulations as follows: (d) Upon consideration of the applica- one year has elapsed since the date of Effective October 1. 1941, Part as of Hon and record in the Central Office, the his registration and he is in the United the Civil Air Regulations is nmended by Chief of the Alien Registration Division States at the time of filing his applica- the addition of a new 4 61.340 to md as may. If he in satisfied that the original tion, replace a lost, mutilated, or de- follows: receipt has been lost, mutilated. or de- stroyed Form AP-103 In the manner 61.340 First aid equipment. No air- stroyed, sign the Form AB-3a, place specified in paragraphs (a) to (e) of craft shall be operated In scheduled air thereon the proper registration number, this section, In such cases Form AR-3a transportation unless equipped will a and mark the form to show that it is a will, If Issued, be plainly marked to show conveniently accessible first aid will ade- duplicate issued in lieu of an original re- both the date of original registration of quate for proper first aid treatment of coipt which has been lost, muttiated. or the seaman and the date on which the passengers and crew which shall contain destroyed. Both the original date of new receipt card Was Issued. In accord- medical equipment and supplies (D- registration and the date of Issuance of nnce with I 170.0 (a), an alten seaman proved by the Administrator as mitable the duplicate shall be shown on the new seeking admission to the United States and sufficient for the type of operation card. If the said officer is not antisfied who does not present a receipt (or dupli- involved. that to duplicate should be issued, he shall cate thereof) showing registration within deug the application. If the record Indl- one year of the date of his application By the Civil Aeronautics Board (ales that any further action la destrable for admission, shall not be admitted un- (STAL) THOMAS G. Secretary EARLY. OF necemury in connection with the case tll he has again been registered and fin- of the alien, It should be referred to the gerprinted. This one-year period shall (P. B. Doe. K1-6647, Filed, July so, 1941: extend from the date of original regis- 6:00 D. m.) Regraded Unclassified FEDERAL REGISTER, Friday, August 1. 1941 3837 TITLE 17-COMMODITY AND SECU- Benurities and Exchange Commission withdrawing firms the depository securi- RITIES EXCHANGES hereby adopts 270.17f-2 [Rule N- Bles and investments, shall sign 1. nota- 17P-21 to read M follows: CHAPTER II-SECURITIES AND tion in respect of such deposit OF with- EXCHANGE COMMISSION $ 270.171-3 Custody of securities drawai, which shall show (1) the date maintained by management company. and time of the deposit or withdrawal. PART 240-RULES AND REGULATIONS, Ex- The securities and similar investments (2) the name and amount of the securi- CURITIES EXCHANGE ACT OF 1994 of a registered management company ties and other Investments deposited and AMENDMENT TO RULE X-117-1 may be maintained in the custody of such withdrawn, and an Identification thereof company upon the following conditions: by certificate numbers or otherwise, and The Securities and Exchange Com- (3) the manner of acquisition of securi- mission, acting purmiant to authority (a) Except as provided In paragraph ties and Investments deposited or the conferred upon it by the Securities Ex- (b), all such securities and similar in- purpose for which securities and Invest- change Act of 1934, particularly sections vestments shall be deposited in a vault or ments have been withdrawn. Such no- 12 (f) and 23 (a) thereof, and deeming other depository maintained by a bank tation shall be transmitted promptly to such action necessary and appropriate or other company whose functions and an officer or director of the registered in the public interest and for the pro- physical facilities are supervised by Ped- company designated by Its board of di- fection of investors and necessary for the eral or State authority. rectors who shall not be a person desig- execution of the functions vested in it (b) The provisions of paragraph (a) nated for the purpose of paragraph (e), by said Act, hereby amends I 240.12f-5 shall not apply to securities on loan Buch notations shall be on forms serially (Rule X-12F-5) of the General Rules which are collateralized to the extent of numbered. and shall be preserved for at and Regulations under the Act to read their full market value, or to securities least one year. as hereinafter set forth: hypothecated, pledged, or placed in es- (g) Such securities and investments crow for the account of such registered 240,121-5 Differentiation on ticker shall be verified by complete examination company in connection with a loan or belwein transactions in listed and un- by an independent public accountant TO- other transaction authorized by specific tuted securities. Every national occurs- tained by such registered company at resolution of Its board of directors, OF to Lies exchange and every person directly least three times during the fiscal year, securities in transit to connection with OF indirectly controlled by such exchange, at least two of which shall be chosen by & mis, an exchange pursuant to a plan in the publication or making available such accountant wthout prior notice to of reorganization, recapitalization or for publication by ticker of quotations such company. A certificate of such ac- otherwise, redemption, maturity or con- countant, stating that be has made an or transactions in securities made or version, the exercise of warrants or examination of such securities and In. effected upon such exchange, shall dif- rights, assents to changes in terms of the vestments and describing the nature and ferentiate between quotations or trans- securities, or other transactions neces- extent of the examination, shall be trans- actions In listed securities and quotations eary in the ordinary routine relating to or transactions in securities for which mitted to the Commission promptly after the management of securities. each such examination. unlisted trading privileges on such ex- (c) The securities and investments de- change have been continued or extended, (h) Such securities and investments posited pursuant to paragraph (1) shall by either adding the letter "L" to the shall at all times be subject to inspection be physically segregated et all times from report of each quotation or transaction by the Commission through its authorized those of any other person. in such listed securities, or by adding employees or agents accompanied, unless (d) The securities and investments de- the letter "0" to the report of each otherwise directed by order of the Com- posited pursuant to paragraph (a) shall quotation or transaction in such securi- mission, by one or more of the persons be withdrawn only in connection with lles for which unlisted trading privileges designated pursuant to paragraph (e), transactions of the character described have been continued or extended on such (1) All such securities end investments in paragraph (b). exchange. IRule X-121'-5] which are stocks and other equity securi- (e) No person shall be authorized or Effective July II, 1941. permitted to have access to the securities des acquired by such registered manage- ment company after August 14, 1941, for By the Commission. and investments deposited pursuant to which the issuer or its agent maintains - (SEAL) FRANCIS P. BAASSON, paragraph (a) except pursuant to reso- fution of the board of directora of such record or registry of ownership, shall be Georetary. registered company. Each such resolu- registered or recorded in the name of (P. R. Doc. 41-6600; Fued. July 31, 12411 tion shall designate not more than five such company within 30 days after any 11:46 & m.) such acquisition: Provided, however, persons who shall be either officers or That this paragraph shall not apply to responsible employees of such company, securities on loan or securities pledged in and shall provide that access to such connection with & loan or other transac- PART 270-INVERTMENT COMPANY ACT OF securities and investments shall be had tion authorized by a specific resolution of 1940 only by two or more such persons jointly, at Tenst one of whom shall be an officer: its board of directors. ADOPTION OF N-178-2 except that for the purpose of paragraph Effective August 16, 1941. Acting pursuant to the Investment (g) the Independent public accountant B7 the Commission. Company Act of 1940, particularly sec- shall be permitted access to such secur- (SEAL) FRANCIS P. BRASSOR, United 38 (a) and 17 (f) thereof, and Itles and investments jointly with any Secretary. deeming such action appropriate to the two persons 50 designated. recise of the powers conferred and the (f) Each person designated pursuant (F. A Doc. 41-5801: Filed, July 41. dutles imposed upon It in that Act, the to paragraph (e), when depositing in or 11:40 1. ml 3828 FEDERAL REGISTER, Friday, August 2, 1941 TITLE 30-MINEBAL RESOURCES tions to stay. terminate, or modify the temporary relief herein granted may be before the Bituminous Coal Division to CHAPTER III-BITUMINOUS COAL filed with the Division within forty-Ave Proceedings Instituted Pursuant to DIVISION (45) days from the date of this Order, of 1937. tion 4 u (d) of the Bituminous Date Ant [Dockets Nos. A-898, A-DOL, A-900) pursuant to Rules and Regulations Gov- PART 323-MINIMUM PRICE SCHEDULE, erning Practice and Procedure before the herein granted shall become final Exte It is further ordered, That the use DISTRICT No. 3 Bituminous Coal Division in Proceedings Instituted Pursuant to section 4 II (d) (60) days from the date of this Onler ORDER or CONSOLIDATION AND ORDER CHANT- of the Bituminous Coal Act of 1937. unless the Director shall otherwise Order. INO TEMPORARY RELIEF AND CONDITION- It is further ordered, That the relief In Docker No. A-888, Instead of Dro- ALLY PROVIDING FOR FINAL RELIEF IN THE posing the establishment of price the herein granted shall become Boal sixty MATTER OF THE PETITION OF HENRY TAY- (60) days from the date of this Order, fications for his coals, for all shipments LOS, A CODE MEMBER IN DISTRICT NO. 3, except truck, the petitioner therein 7% unless the Director shall otherwise order. FOR THE ESTABLISHMENT OF PRICE CLASSI- quested the establishment of certain In Docket No. A-888, instead of pro- PICATIONS AND PRICES FOR THE minimum prices which are set forth In posing the establishment of price clessi- COALS OF HIS POST MINE (MINE INDEX cents per ton. The minimum prices the fleations for his coals, for all shipments No. 0461 FOR TRUCK SHIPMENT; AND IN proposed are not those applicable to not except truck, the petitioner therein ce- THE MATTER OF THE PRTITION OF A. A. shipments, to any market area, of noals quested the establishment of certain PROVINS, A CODE MEMBER IN DISTRICT which the petition alleges are anatopous minimum prices which are set. forth in NO. 3, FOR THE ESTABLISHMENT OF PRICE to those produced at the Post Mine, not CLASSIFICATIONS AND MINIMUM PRICES cents per ton. The minimum prices are they the minimum prices that would thus proposed are not those applicable to FOR THE COALS OF HIS PROVINS MINE be applicable If the proposals of the Do. (MINE INDEX NO. 710) FOR ALL SHIP- rall shipments, to any market area, of trict Board in Docket No. A-900 were MINTS EXCEPT TRUCK; AND IN THE MAT- conts which the petition alleges are adopted. The petition states that the analogous to those produced at the Post TER OF THE PETITION OF DISTRICT ROARD couls produced at the Post Mine are NO. 1 FOR THE ESTABLISHMENT OF PRICE Mine, nor are they the minimum prices similar to those produced at the Xano CLASSIFICATIONS AND MINIMUM PRICES that would be applicable if the proposals Mine (Mine Index No. 83). of the Proble of the District Board in Docket No. Run Coal Co. FOR THE COALS OF CERTAIN MINES IN DISTRICT NO. 3 A-008 were adopted. The petition states It appears that the price classifications that the coals produced at the Post Mine and minimum prices, for all shipments Original petitions, pursuant to section are similar to those produced at the Kano except truck, applicable to coals produced 4. II (d) of the Biluminous Coal Act of Mine (Mine Index No. 83) of the Pecks at the Kano Mine should be established 1937, having been duly filed with this Run Coal Co. for the coals of the Post Mine. The Division by the above-nemed parties, re- It appears that the price classifications price classifications and minimum Differs questing the establishment, both tempo- and minimum prices, for all shipments are the same BS were proposed by the mary and permanent, of price classifica- tions and minimum prices for the couls except truck, applicable matters and ap- District Board In Docket No. A-POR für of certain mines in District No. 3: and plications to stay, terminate, or modify the coals produced at the Post Mine, and It appearing that the above-entitled the temporary relief herein granted may they have accordingly been established be filed with the Division within forty- herein. matters raise abalogous Issues: and It appearing that & reasonable show- five (45) days from the date of this Dated: July 11, 1941. lag of necessity has been made for the Order, pursuant to Rules and Regula- (GEAL) DAN H. granting of temporary relief ID the man- tions Governing Practice and Procedure Acting Director, ner hereinafter set forth: and No petitions of Intervention having TEMPORARY AND CONDITIONALLY FINAL EFFECTIVE MINTMUM PRICES FOR DISTRICT No. , been filed with the Division in the above- entitled matters; and NOTE: The material contained in those supplements is to be read in the ughr*or the classis- cations, prices, instructions, exceptions and other provisions contained In Part 329, Minimum It appearing that this action is nec- Price Schedule for District No. S and Supplements thereto. essary in order to effectuate the pur- posea of the Act: FOR ALL SHIPMENTS EXCEPT TRUCE It 4a ordered, That the above-entitled 323.6 Alphabetical list of code members-Supplement R-I matters be, and they hereby are, con- solidated. (Alphabetical Inting nil members ving raliway loading facilities, showing price by size poup Mel It is further ordered, That pending final disposition of the above-entilled Mine indes Ne Size goalp No. matters, temporary relief be, and the same hereby Ia, granted as follows: Cinte trambeg Mine name Beam Freight origin group No. Commencing forthwith, , 323.6 (Alpha- - : 1 - 5 * 7 = 11 betical Not of code memberal is emended by adding thereto Supplement R-1, 323,8 213 Special prices-1b) Railroad /uel prices Amald & Martin (E. O. Hunt Broa / Amold). M. V. Preport. TO J 2 I I I / / J / for all movements except vía lakes) is 1170 Bennett, Herbert 500 Burruide, J. A Dickreson's II F If 1 amended by adding thereto Supplement M Finchain è Collins Brothers Bureside n = R-II, I 323,0 (Special prices-(c) Rail- Fishback (Day Fincheral X Time road fuel prices for movement via all Harvey, 2. Roy B Cuyter Boylanan Cost Company Redations a takes-oll porta) is amended by adding Hoyiman (Tompt mani, & Carl Y. Hogh Redations II thereto Supplement R-III, and I 323.23 NO Martin, A. D (General prices) Is amended by adding 710 Provice, A. A. Turkey Run Redetine as IDEI thereto Supplement T, which supple- Header, L. n. Provins Pittsburgh 09 , F Red Riddle, Decree W Reeder Redations 11 ments are hereinafter set forth and 767 Biddle Shaban Company lirothers Coal Pittaburgh a Blaw, hereby made & part hereof. M. V. Prosport 20 214 845 Stanley Cod Company It is further ordered, That pleadings Tarker, Henry Beam as M. V. Prosport II 212 Port Victor Mining Company Redetaine at in opposition to the original petitions in (W. 2. Kinkey), Vistory M. V. Presport 71 the above-entitled matters and applica- 3084 W. & M. Cost Company McMmisy M. V, Proport 71 , Regraded Unclassifie I 323.8 Special prices-(b) Railroad e 323.8 Special prices-(c) Railroad [Docket Non. A-031 and A-938) It la ordered, That the above-entitled fuel prices for movement via all lakes- matters be, and they hereby are, con- fuel prices for all movements except via PART 323-MINTMOM PRICE SCHEDULE, solidated. Akes-Supplement R-II. all ports-Supplement R-III. DISTRICT No. 3 For railroad fuel prices, add these mine Il is further ordered, That, pending For railroad fuel prices, add these mine Index numbers to the respective groups ORDER OF CONSOLIDATION AND ORDER GRANT- final disposition of the above-entitled index numbers to the respective groups set forth In o 323.8 (c) in Price Schedule ING TEMPORARY RELIEF AND CONDITION- matters, temporary relief is granted as set forth in 323.8 (b) in Price Schedule ALLY PROVIDING FOR FINAL RELIEF IN THE follows: Commencing forthwith, 1 323.6 No. 1. Group No. 1: 566, 596, 710 (a), No. 1. Group No. 1: 586, 596, 710, 1082, MATTER OF THE PETITION OF THE VI-DOT (Alphabetical list of code members) So 1082, 1175; Group No. 2: 633, 669. 648, 1175; Group No. 2: 633, 669, 848, 961, 1043: Group No. 3: 212, 213, 214, 737, DOAL COMPANY, A CODE MEMBER BY DIS- amended by adding thereto Supplement 961, 1043; Group No. 3: 212, 213, 214, 1084. TRICT NO. 3, FOR THE ESTABLISHMENT OF R-L, 1 323.8 (Special prices-(b) Railroad TRT, 1084. PRICE CLASSIFICATIONS AND MINIMUM fuel prices for all movements except eta PRICES, FOR ALL SHIPMENTS, FOR THE COALS takes) la amended by adding thereto TRUCK OF ITS VI-DOT MINE (MINE INDEX NO. 218) supplement R-II. I 323.8 (Special prices- AND IN THE MATTER or THE PETITION or (c) Railroad fuel prices for movement 1323.23 General prices-Supplement T DISTRICT BOARD 3 FOR THE ESTABLISHMENT via all lakes-ah ports) in amended by [Priow in emote per Del too for shipment into all market amart OF PRICE CLASSIFICATIONS AND MINIMUM adding thereto Supplement R-III, and PRICES FOR THE COALS OF CERTAIN MINES 323.23 (General prices) is amended by Else groups IN DISTRICT NO. 3 adding thereto Supplement T. which supplements are bereinafter set forth Original petitions, pursuant to section and hereby made & part hereof. 4 II (d) of the Bituminous Coal Act of It is further ordered, That pleadings in Code summire index Mine Seam County Mine leter No. Lump over r. or over 1, bottom sise Lamp 2', 3", bale tom rise, but over Lump 14" wid under, 198 14 and under, bottom else AB and and pos, 2" and sepun Run of mine, remitant 1937, having been duly filed with this opposition to the original petitions in the over In 154° 14" and 2" stack Division by the above-named party, re- above-entitled matters and applications questing the establishment, both tempo- to stay, terminate or modify the tempo- N° stack rary and permanent, of price classifica- rary relief herein granted may be filed tions and minimum prices for the coals with the Division within forty-Ave (45) of certain mines in District No. 3; and days from the date of this Order, pursu- It appearing that the above-entitled ant to the Rules and Regulations Gov- 1 = a 4 5 6 7 matters raise analogous issues: and erning Practice and Procedure Before the It appearing that a reasonable show- Bituminous Coal Division in Proceedings Armid * Marth (E. c. 213 Boat Brai M. V. Presport. Preston. 225 25 200 300 200 190 150 Ing of necessity has been made for the Instituted Pursuant to section 4 II (d) of Arteld). Bart. Oliver no Hart M. V. Presport. Monua 25 23 225 20 20 190 180 granting of temporary relief in the man- the Bitumloous Coal Act of 1937. Kamady, Insac. 900 M. V. Freeport. Monon 225 IN 225 29) 20 190 160 It la further ordered, That the relief Realey Coal Company 214 Ream #5. M. V. Presport Preston 225 28 EN 20) 200 180 per hereinafter set forth; and 100 Taylor, F. 1. aos Taylor Hedstone Lewis 223 218 218 193 1N2 179 168 No petitions of intervention having herein granted shall become final sixty Vietor Mining Company BAX Victory M. V. Freeport. Preten X 155 226 500 300 199 180 been filed with the Division in the above- (60) days from the date of this Order, (W. 1. Koskey). entitled matters: and unless the Director shall otherwise order. It appearing that this action is neces- Dated: July 10, 1941. FEDERAL REGISTER, Friday, August 1, 1941 (7. B. Doc. 01-5514; Piled, July 30, 1941; 10:00 a. m.) sary in order to effectuate the purposes (smal) DAN H. WREKLES, of the Act; Acting Director. TEMPORARY AND CONDITIONALLY FINAL EFFECTIVE MINIMUM PRICES FOR DISTRICT No. 3 Nom: The material contained in theme supplements is to be read to the light of the classifications, prices, Instructions, exceptions and other provisions contained in Part 326, Minimum 2 Schedule for District No. 2 and Supplements thereto. FOR ALL SHIPMENTS EXCEPT TRUCK I 333.6 Alphabetical list of code member-Supplement R-I [Alphabesies] listing of ende teembers having railway leading showing prior classification by - group No.] Freight Blue group Non. Mice Seam origin todac Code member Mas - group No. No. E 2 I + a 6 T a a 10 11 12 19 M 18 M Regraded Unclassified y F 7 Pist Pittsborgh il , y F y 7 7 , - For, Margaret Lillian (For Cost Do.) Pitisborgh R F , , , P 7 F F , , 222 Kanswha Valley Così Ca Barris Bakenteen 71 0 a a Leslin Company, The Laslie No. 6. G G a a o G G 219 Rowan No. 1 Redetome n F F F F a E F , , 7 - Bowan & Bon. D. H Pittaburgh R H II II B H. II R H II H Drothers Cost Company (3. B. Shahan) Bhaban M. V. Fresport 70 I I J , I J , I I / 10 Shahet Brothers Cost Company Cr. a. Bhaban) Bhaban No. I Platsburgh ND 7 , , 7 y F y F P F - Bpüker, Albert Nixon Plusburgh 5 F P F F F , , F F F 215 VI-Det Cost Co., The (Marth I, b/ewbrough) Vi-Det Pitisburgh et DE DE DK DE DE DE DF DF DF DF 29 B B B B If Watson A Godke (Charks 6. Gnebe) No. 1 Pusbergh 61 , , 7 F 9 2 , F F F 504 Wast Pork Coal & Coke Company (La D. Perry). Vinent No. 2 0282 323.8 Special prices-(b) Railroad 123.8 Special prices-(e) Railroad The following action being deemed tions to stay, terminate, or modify the fuel prices for all movements except via /uet prices jor movement tria all lakes- necessary in order to effectuate the pur- temporary relief herein granted may be 3830 lakes-Supplement R-IL all ports-Supplement R-III. poses of the Act: filed with the Division within forty-five For rallroad fuel prices. add these mine For railroad fuel prices, add these mine It Le ordered, That, pending final dis- (45) days from the date of this Order, Index munbers to be respective groups set index numbers to be respective groupe position of the above-entitled matter, pursuant to Rules and Regulations Gov- forth in 323.8 (b) in Price Schedule sec forth in 1323.8 (e) in Price Schedule temporary relief be, and the same hereby erning Practice and Procedure Before the No. 1. Group No. 1: 218, 221, 222, 233, No, 1. Group No. 1: 210. 221. 222, 223, Is, granted as follows: Commencing Bituminous Coal Division in Proceedings 593, 698, 1016: Group No. 2: 933; Group 593, 698, 1015; Group No. 2- 933; Group forthwith 331.5 (Alphubetical list of Instituted Pursuant to section 4 II (d) No. a: 220; Group No. 6: 219. No. 3: 220; Group No. d: 219. code members) is amended by adding of the Bituminous Coal Act of 1937. thereto Supplement R-I, and 331,10 It is further ordered, That the relief TRUCK SIGPMENTS (Special prices: Ratiroad locomotive herein granted shall become final sixty 0 323.23 General prices-Supplement T fuel) in amended by adding thereto Sup- (60) days from the date of this Order, United 5 per net ton RIT shipment into all market aremi plement B-II, which supplements are unless It shall It shall otherwise be hereinafter set forth and hereby made a part hereof. ordered. Bize proups It LE further ordered, That pleadings Dated: July 16, 1941. in opposition to the original petition in (SEAL] DAN H. WHEELER, the above-entitled matter, and applica- Acting Director. Lump over over time Only Fectors Mine County No. Lumpf, beliuga stive trut over 116" X Lump 14" and under, PER and under, bottom sise All nut and pm y and Run of mine regultant 2 TEMPORARY AND CONDITIONALLY FINAL EFFECTIVE MINIMUM PRICES FOR DISTRICT No. 11 under 152" and N° elack Note: The material contained in these supplements is to be read in the light of the classis- cations, prices, instructions, exceptions and other provisions contained in Part 331, Minimum $ 1 Price Schedule for District No. 11 and Supplements thereto, POR ALL SHIPMENTS EXCEPT TRUCK 1 # a 4 3 0 7 331.5 Alphabetical Hat of code members-Supplement B-1 Wen. W. nr James Pristurgh Ollmer 253 238 us 150 199 17% tes Mine Sub- Pricht Prior Lestie Company, The 209 Lesile No. a, Presson ou mas TO 216 au 30 190 indos Code toumber Mine Gests Ebabeo Deuthers Cosi 23) diest, regio No. L M. V. Freeport. Instrum N 23 285 20 200 CAT 180 No. INVOICE No. group Company, (J. 0. Else- han). Vl-Doc Cost Co., The Vi-Des Piltsburgh Harrimo en une au wa (W) 178 168 116 Beech Coal Company (Illes Dunsan) Beech III Vehr III LB en = (Martin J. New- brough). Watson & Books 223 No. Pittsburgh Markins B DA DA IM un 17% THE (Charles E. Gucke). West Fork Coal 4 Coke 2011. Visornt No. 2. Mine Index No. 110 shall be included In Price Group a and shall be accorded the Fillstrargh Harrison 1231 915 318 (§) 143 ITS IAG Company, (L. D. prices shown for other mines in Price Group 2 listed in Part 331 tu Minimum Price Parry). Schedule for District No. 11 for shipment into various market areas. It shall also be FEDERAL REGISTER, Friday, August 1. 1941 accorded adjustments in f.o. b. mine prices on account of differences in freight rates [F. B. Doc. 41-0515; Piled, July 30, 1941: 10:00 a. m.) as those applicable to other mines in Freight Origin Group 60 having the name freight rates. [Docket No. A-000) of 1937, having been duly filed with this $331.10 Special prices: Railroad locomotine /uel-Supplement R-II PART 331-MINIMUM PRICE SCHEDULE, Division by the above-named party, re- DISTRICT No. 11 questing the establishment of price clas- Mins Bob- Freight Price sifications and minimum prices for the lodes Code member Mins Seam dist. uricin ORDER GRANTING TEMPORARY RELIEF AND group No. poop coals of certain mines in District No. 11; No. COSDITIONALLY PROVIDING FOR FINAL and RELIEF IN THE MATTER or THE PETITION 110 Besch Coal Company Cline Duncan) Beech m Vein m LB 8 I It appearing that a reasonable show- or DISTRICT BOARD 11 FOR THE ESTAB- ing of necessity has been made for the LISIMENT OF PRICE CLASSIFICATIONS AND granting of temporary relief in the man- MINIMUM PRICES FOR THE COALS OF CER- Mine Index No. 110 shall be accorded the same prices for railroad locomotive tuel ES ner hereinafter set forth: and TAIN MINES IN DISTRICT NO. 11 shown in 1 331.10 in Minimum Price Schedule for District No. 11 as those shown for No petitions of intervention having An original petition, pursuant to sec- been filed with this Division in the Mine maex Nos 1, 2,3. 22, 30, 56, 68. 70, 73. tion 4 II (d) of the Bituminous Coal Act above-entitled matter; and IF E: Doc. 41-5510: Flied. July zu. 1041; 10:01 a. ml Regraded Unclassified FEDERAL REGISTER. Friday, August 1, 1912 3831 TITLE YR-NATIONAL DEFENSE cottonsed by a crushing mill that makes only alue eut.* n. DESCRIPTION OF NOTES CHAPTER XI-OFFICE OF PRICE AD- MINISTRATION AND CIVILIAN SUP- 1325.14 Reports. Each cottoused 1. General The notes of both service oll crushing mill engaged in the produc- will be dated Aligunt 1, 1941, and will PLY Hop of ootton Unters shall each month mature August 1, 1943. The Owner's PART 1336-CHEMICALS report to the Office of Production Man- name and address, and the date of teste agement the manner of Its compliance will be entered on each note at the time CIVILIAN ALLOCATION PROGRAM FOR COTTON with this program, and such report shall of its lasue by a Federal Reserve Bank LINTERS Include a certified statement of the Intake The month in which payment Is received 11 is essential that there be provided of cottonneed by such mill and ILS pro- by a Federal Reserve Bank or Branch, or an increasing supply of chemical grade duction of lint, by gradea. And every by the Treasurer of the Dulted States, cotton Unters, used both In chemical person purchasing second out chemical will determine the purchase price and to manufacture and In the making of grade and mill run linters shall each sue date of each note. The notes may smokeless powder. Cotton linters are month report to the Office of Production not be transferred. No hypothecation of at from cottonsed in such a manner Management bis purchases and disposi- the notes on any account will be recor- that first cut or mattress linters are not tions of such linters.* nized by the Treasury Department and available for chemical processing, It is 1385.15 Enforcement. This program they will not be nocepted to secure de- therefore necessary to require that only shall be administered and enforced by the posits of public money. Except as herein a limited amount of the total cut be re- Office of Production Management.* provided, the notes will be subject to the mived in the first cut process. general regulations of the Treasury De- Accordingly, pursuant to the powers Issued this 31st day of July, 1941. partment, now or hereafter prescribed. vested in me by Executive Order No. 8734,' Глон HENDERSON, governing bonds and notes of the United Administrator, States particularly section 2(a) thereof, the fol- lowing program la announced: 2. Denominations and interest. The (P. R. Doc. 41-6502: Filed, July 21, 1941; 1385.11 Culling of linters. No col- 11.51 1. m.) notes of Tax Series A-1043 will be Issued in denominations of $25, $50, and 1100, touseed oil crushing mill engaged to the and Interest thereon will accrue during production of cotton linters and using Notices each month after August 1941, in the more than one cut in the process shall cut amount of 16 cents on each $100 prinel- first ell unters to a higher proportion pal amount, that 18, 4 cents on each $25, than 20% of its total cut." 6 cents on each 850, and 16 centa on each 1330.11 to 1325.16, inclusive issued pur- TREASURY DEPARTMENT. $100 denomination of note. The notes mans to Executive Order No. B734. of Tax Bettes B-1043 will be Issued in Bureau of the Public Debt. 1335.12 Sale of linters. No cotton- depominations of $100, $500, $1,000, $10,- seed oll crushing mill making more than (1941 Department Circular No. 6671 000 and $100,000, and interest thereon will one cut shall sell any of Its second cut accrue each month after August 1941, in Tax UNITED STATES OF AMERICA TREASURY chemical grade linters, nor shall any mill the amount of 4 cents on each $100 prin- Norm DATED AUGUST 1. 1941. DUE making but one cut sell more than 20% cipal amount, that IS 4 cents on rain AUGUST 1. 1943, Issued 6% PAB AND Ac- of the mill fun Unters, other than for ulti- $100, 20 centa on each $500, 40 conts on CIVID INTEREST, ACCEPTABLE NT PAR AND mate use in the chemical Industry: nor, each #1,000, 54.00 on each $10,000. and ACCRUED INTEREST IN PAYMENT OF on and after July 31, 1941, regardless of $40.00 on each $100,000 denomination of FEDERAL INCOME TAXES the terms of any contract of sale or pur- note. In no case, however, shall interest chase, or other commitment, entered into JULY 22, 1941. accrue beyond the month in which the prior to such date, shall any person In note la presented In payment of tases, or polession of mill run or second out 1. OFFERING or NOTES beyond Its maturity. Exchanges of att- chemical grade linters make any deliver- thorized denominations of each anyles 1. The Secretary of the Treasury, pur- les thereof other than in accordance with from higher to lower, but not from lower must to the authority of the Second the foregoing, except that any person to higher, may be arranged at the Fed- Liberty Bond Act. as amended, offers for seeking to deliver linters in accordance eral Reserve Bank of fame. sale, to the people of the United States, with such a contract of sale entered into 3. Purchase price. and (az-payment (hrough the Federal Reserve Banks, at prior to July 31, 1941 may apply for per- value. The notes of both aertes will be par and accrued Interest, two Issues of mission to make such delivery. Permis- sold at par during August 1041, and will nontransferable notes of the United zion to make delivery may be granted by be sold at par and accrued Interest dur- States, designated Treasury Notes of Tax the Director of Priorities of the Office of Ing each subsequent month while they Series A-1943. and Treasury Notes of Tax Production Management, with the con- remain on anle, the purchase price for A Series B-1942. As hereinafter provided, currence of the Director of Civilian Allo- note of any denomination of either se- the notes of both series will be acceptable cation of the Office of Price Administra- ries advancing each month after August at par and accrued Interest in payment non and Civilian Supply. Provided, how- 1941. In the amount of one month's In- of Federal income taxes: Provided. how- ener, That nothing In this program shall terest on that note. Tables, showing for ever, That not exceeding $1,300 principal be construed to apply to sales or deliv- each month from August 1941. to August amount of notes of Tax Beries A-1943, 1943, for each denomination of each NC- pries to the United States, or to the Gov- and the accrued Interest thereon, will be ries, the principal amount of the notes ernment of any country whose defense accepted from any one owner in any pe- with accrued interest added, are ID- the President deems vital lo the defense riod of twelve consecutive months In pay- pended to this circular. The total shown of the United States.* ment of taxes due from wuch owner. If for any denomination for any month- I L335.13 Definitions. As used in this not presented in payment of taxes, the August through December 1941-wile order. "first cut cotton Unters" means notes will be redeemable all the purchase the notes remain on sale, LA the purchase those Unters resulting from the first cut- price as hereinafter provided. price, or cost, of the note during that ting of cottonseed by & crushing mill that 2. Descriptions of the notes of both month. Also, the total shown for any makes more than one eut, "Second eut series, and their terms are hereinafter denomination for any month thereafter Chemical grade linters" means all those fully net forth. The notes will be placed 16 the tax-payment value, or the amount linters remulting from ell cuta subsequent on sale beginning August 1, 1941, and nt which the note will be acceptable dur- to the first, "Mill run Unters" means all the sale will continue until December Ing that month in payment of Federal those Unters resulting from the outting of 31, 1961. unless earlier terminated, as to income (ASES as herein provided. either or both arries, by the Secretary of 4. Acceptability in payment of taxes. 187A 1917. the Treasury. The notes of both acries (but not more No. 140 8832 FEDERAL REGISTER, Friday, August 1. THE than $1,200 principal amount of notes of désignate agencies other than those The Beries A-1943 may he redeemed to Tax flories A-1043 from any one owner herein provided for the sale of. or for fore maturity without advance Dation in any period of twelve consecutive the handling of applications for Treasury but notes of Tax Define B-1941 mar be months) will be acceptable, sit. par and notes to be issued hereunder. redeemed before maturity only after - accrued Interest. in payment of Federal 3. Delivery of Notes. Upon acceptance days from date of lestro and on 30 days income taxes (current and back personal of full-paid applications, notes will be advance notice. The timely surrender of and corporation TAXAS, and excess-profits duly Issued and, unless delivered in per- A note of The Bories B-1943, bearing & texm), The conditions of presentation, 800, will be delivered by registered mail properly executed request for payment, surrender and acceptance of the notes in within the Continental United States, will be accepted as constituting the M. payment of such taxes are set forth in the Territories and Insular Possessions vance notice required hereunder, Section TV of this circular. of the United States, the Canal Zone and 2. Execution of request for payment, 8. Payment OF redemption for cash. the Philippine Islands. No deliveries The owner in whose name the note la The notea of either series may not be elsewhere will be made. inscribed must appear before one of the called by the Secretary of the Treasury 4. Form of application. In applying officers authorized by the Secretary of for redemption prior to maturity. If for notes under this circular, eare should the Treasury to witness and certify Pe- such notes are not presented in payment be exercised to specify whether those of questa for payment, establish his Iden- of taxes: (1) they will be payable at ma- Tax Series A-1943, or Tax Series B-1943 tity, and in the presence of such officer turily. or (2) they will be redeemable are destred, and there must be furnished sign the request for payment appearing prior to maturity, at the owner's option the name and address of the Individual, on the back of the note, adding the and request, as hereinafter provided in corporation or other entity in which the address to which check is to be mailed. Section V, and in either case payment notes are to be issued; and if address After the request for payment has been will be made only at the price paid for for the delivery of the notes is different, so signed, the witnessing officer should the notes. appropriate instructions should be given. complete and sign the certificate pro- 6. Taxation. Income derived from the The name should be in the same form vided for his use, notes shall be subject to all Federal taxes, as that used in the Federal income tax 3. Officers authorized to witness and now or bereafter Imposed. The notes return of the purchaser. The use of an certify requests for payment. Any office shall be subject to estate, inheritance, official application form ta destrable, but cers authorized to witness and certify with or other exclae taxes, whether Fed- not necessary. Appropriate forms may requesta for payment of United Date eral or State, but shall be exempt from be obtained on application to any Ped- Savings Bonds, as set forth in Treasury all texation now of hereafter imposed eral Reserve Bank or Branch, and bank- Department Circular No. 530, Pourth on the principal or interest thereof by Ing Institutions generally will supply such Revision, as amended are hereby author- any Blate, or any of the possessions of forms. tzed to witness and certify requests for the United States, or by any local taxing cash redemption of Treasury notes authority. tv. PRESENTATION IN PAYMENT OF TAXES lasued under this circular. Such officers III. PURCHASE OF NOTES 1. After three months from month of include United States postmasters, oor- purchase (as shown by the date of Issue tain other post office officials, and the 1. Applications and payment. Appil- on each note), but not before January executive of all banks and trust callons will be received by the Federal 1, 1942, during such time, and under such companies incorporated in the United Reserve Banks and Branches, and by the rules and regulations as the Commis- States or its organized territories. to- Treasurer of the United States, Washing- ton, D. C. Banking Institutions generally doner of Internal Revenue, with the ap- cluding officers at branches thereof who may submit applications for account of proval of the Secretary of the Treasury, are certified to the Treasury Depart- customers, but only the Federal Reserve shall prescribe, motes issued bereunder In ment M executive officers. Banks and the Treasurer of the United the name of a taxpayer (individual, cor- 4. Presentation and surrender. Notes States are authorised to not as official poration, or other entity) may be pre- bearing property executed requests for earmetos. Every application must be sented and surrendered by such tax- payment must be presented and aur- accompanied by payment In full, at par payer, his agent, or his estate, to the rendered to the Federal Reserve Bank of and accrued Interest to the month in Collector of Internal Revenue, to whom Issue at the expense and risk of the which payment la received by a Federal the tax return is made, and will be re- owner. For the owner's protection. Reserve Bank or Branch, or the Treas- celvable by the Collector at par and notes should be forwarded by registered urer of the United States. Any form of accrued Interest from August 1941, to mail. if not presented in person. exchange, including personal checks. will the month, Inclusive (but no accrual be- 6, Disability or death. In case of the be accepted subject to collection, and yond August 1943), in which presented in disability or death of the owner, and the should be drawn to the order of the Ped- payment of any Federal income taxes notes are not to be presented in payment oral Reserve Bank or of the Treasurer of (current and back personal and corpora- of Federal Income taxes due from bis the United States, as the case may be. (lon taxes, and excess-profits taxes) estate, instructions should be obtained Any depositary, qualified pursuant to the assessed against the original purchaser from the Federal Reserve Bank of Leave provisions of Treasury Department Cir- or his estate, but not more than $1,200 before the request for payment la MP cular No. 93 (revised February 23, 1032. principal amount of notes of Tax Beries outed, or the notes presented. as supplemented) will be permitted to A-1943, and the accrued interest thereon, make payment by credit for notes applied d. Partial redemption, Partial carb re- for on behalf of Itself or its customers may be accepted by the Collector in any demption of notes of either series, (if period of twelve consecutive months In up to any amount for which It shall be responding to an authorized denomina- qualified in excess of existing deposita. payment of Federal Income taxes due tion, may be made to the same manner, from such owner. The notes must be 2. Reservations. The Secretary of the appropriate changes being made in the Treasury reserves the right to reject any forwarded to the Collector at the risk request for payment. In case of partial application in whole or in part, and to and expense of the owner, and, for his redemption of a note, the remainder will refuse to Imue or permit to be Issued protection, should be forwarded by be released with the same date of (MM) hereunder any notes in any case or in registered mall, if not presented in as the note surrendered. person. any class or claims of cases If be deems 7. Payment. Payment of any noM, such action to be in the public Interest, V. CASH EXDEMPTION AT os PRIOR TO either at maturity or on redemption M- and Exts: action BY any such respect shall MATURITY fore maturity, will be made only is the be final. If an application In rejected. in Federal Reserve Bank that Issued Che whole or in part. any payment received 1. General Any Treasury note of Tax note, and will be made by check drawn therefor will be refunded. The Signature Befter A-1945 or Tax Oction II-1948 will to the order of the owner, and malled 40 of the Treasury, in bis discretion, may be released for cash at the purchase the address STATES in IMA request for par- price at or before maturity. Notes of ment. In any sun payment will be Regraded Unclassifie FEDERAL REGISTER, Friday, August 1. 1941 3833 made at the purchase price of the nice TRANSURY Norm-Tax Names B-1048 month-August through December that is, at par and accured Interest of PITICHARE PRICE AND TAX-PATMENT VALUE 1041-while the notes remain on sale, la any) paid at the time of purchase. MONTH the Purchase Price, or Cost, of the note VI. GENERAL PROVISIONS Table, showing for each month from during that month. Also, the total August 1941, to August 1943, for notes of abown for any denomination for any 1. Federal Reserve Banks, M fircal each denomination, the principal amount month thereafter is the Thx-Payment agents of the United States, are author- Value, or the amount at which the note Ised to perform such services or acts as with accrued Interest added. The total will be acceptable during that month in may be appropriate and necessary under shown for any denomination, for any payment of Pederal Income taxes, the provisions of this circular, and under any instructions given by the Secretary Denomination of the Treasury. 2. The Secretary of the Treasury may B00 Mon $1,000 $10,000 $ 100,000 at any time or from time to time sup- plement or amend the terms of this dr- Purchase Price cular, or of any amendments or supple- ments thereto, and may at any time or August 1941 $100.00 8.000.00 September 1945 $1,000.00 $10,000 100.04 $100,000 from time to time prescribe amendatory 600,20 October and 1,000.40 10,004 100,040 100.06 500.40 November 1041 1,000.00 30,006 100,000 rules and regulations governing the of- 100.12 500.00 Describe 1941 1,001.20 10,012 100,120 100.16 fering of the notes, information as to 500,80 1,001.80 10,016 100,100 which will promptly be furnished to the Federal Reserve Banks. Ter-payment value (BRAL) HENRY MORGENTHAU, Jr., January 1942. 8100.25 $501.00 Secretary of the Treasury. $1,002.00 February NH2, $10,000 100,200 100.24 50.20 March 1942 1,002.40 10,024 100,200 100 2% 401.40 April 1942. 1,002.80 10,000 100,2% 100.30 401.80 1,000.20 May 1942 10,002 100,320 100.36 501.80 1,000.60 June 1042 10,000 100,000 100.40 502.00 1,004.00 TREASURY Norm-TAx Serres A-1943 10,040 July 1043 100,600 200.44 802.20 1,004.40 10,044 August 100 100,440 100.45 502.40 1,004.80 10,048 September 1942 100,480 PURCHASE PRICE AND TAX-PAYMENT VALUE 100.42 502.60 1,004.20 10,069 Order 19c2 100,42M 100.36 502.80 1,005.00 10,000 DURING SUCCESSIVE MONTHS November HM2 100,560 100.00 503.00 1,006.00 10,000 December 1941 100,000 10.64 503.90 1,006.40 10,064 300, 660 Table, showing for each month from January 196. 100.08 503.40 1,006.80 10,000 100,080 February 1943 100.72 500.00 August 1841, to August 1943, for notes of 1,007.20 10.072 100,729 March 1943 100.76 500.00 1,007.60 10,070 100,780 each denomination, the principal amount April 1968 100.80 504.00 1,006.00 16,000 100,800 May INS 100.04 with accrued interest added. The total 504.20 1,008.40 10,064 100,640 June 1943 100 88 501.60 1,008.50 10.0% 100,880 shown for any denomination, for any July 1943 100.03 $01.60 1,002.20 10,092 100,990 August 199 100.00 801.80 month-August through December 1,000.50 10.000 100,99) 1941-while the notes remain on sale, is the Purchase Price, or Cost, of the note (F. a. Doc. 41-5589; Fued, July 81, 1041; 10:13 5. ml during that month. Also, the total shown for any depomination for any month thereafter in the Tax-Payment Value, or the amount at which the note WAR DEPARTMENT. Changes. Where the supplies to be will be acceptable during that month In (Contract No. W BBD no-40) furnished are to be specially manufac- payment of Federal income taxes, tured in accordance with drawings and SUMMARY OF CONTRACT FOR SUPPLIES specifications, the contracting officer may CONTRACTOR: UNILOY ACCESSORIES COR- at any time, by a written order, and with- Denomination PORATION/ out notice to the sureties. make changes In the drawings or specifications, except Contract for: Oxygen Regulators E aso $100 Federal Specifications. Changes as to shipment and packing of all supplies may Amount: $1,010,278.14. Furnhase Fries also be made M above provided. Place: Matériel Division, Air Corps, U. 8. Army, Wright Field, Dayton, Ohio, Delays-Damages. If the contractor Avenut 1241 deptember 1941 $25.00 $50.00 $100.00 refuses or fails to make deliveries of the October 25.04 50.08 100.18 The supplies and services to be ob- November 1941 26.06 80.10 100.22 materials or supplies within the time talbed by this instrument are authorized Dericibe 1011 26 12 50,26 100.48 25.10 50.82 by, are for the purpose set forth in, and specified in Article 1, or any extension 100.00 are chargeable to Procurement Author- thereof, the Government may by written notice terminate the right of the con- Tea-payment value Ity AC 299 P 123-30 A 0021-13, the avail- tractor to proceed with deliveries or such able belance of which is sufficient to Issuary Two part or parts thereof as to which there Fetinary 1942 625.20 $50.40 800.80 cover cost of same. has been delay. March 1942 16.35 50.48 100.96 This contract, entered toto this 16th April DH2 20.28 20.55 101.19 Payments. The contractor shall be May 1942 25.32 40.06 101.28 day of June 1941. have 1942 25 34 50.72 101.44 Scope of this contract. The contractor paid, upon the submission of properly July HAZ 25.40 30.80 101.60 25.44 shall furnish and deliver Ox- certified invoices or vouchers, the prices Auross IN2 20-88 101.70 importancher the 35.65 50.98 ygen Regulators for the con- stipulated herein for articles delivered 101.03 Orister 1942 $6.42 SL.04 100.00 November 1912, 25.00 102.26 sideration stated one million, ten thou- and accepted or services rendered, less 41.19 Department 1542 35.60 51.20 102.40 sand two hundred seventy eight dollars deductions, If any, as herein provided. January INI 25.64 4.98 103.56 Unless otherwise specified, payments will Petruary me 35.09 23.36 302.79 and fourteen centa ($1,010,278.14) in March the 25.72 21.44 100.60 strict accordance with the specifications, be made on partial deliveries accepted April no 25.76 01-02 100.04 May 1943 28.80 schedules and drawings, all of which are by the Government when the amount 83.80 100.30 lane 1942 36.84 due on such deliveries so warrants; or, SL 66 100.00 made & part hereof. July 1943, 35.00 41.78 TOTAL when requested by the contractor, pay- AGETAM THE 25.92 61.86 100.00 30.06 61.09 103.84 a Approved by the Under Decretary of War ments for accepted partial deliveries June 31. 1941. shall be made whenever such perments 3834 FEDERAL REGISTER, Friday, August 1, INI would equal or esseed either $1.000 or ao Reope of this contract. The contrac- made prior to the completion of this percent of the total amount of the con- tor shall furntsh and deliver mainte- for airplanes contract, aball year. to the Government nance parts for tract, Option, The Government to granted the consideration stated seven million the right and option et any time during eight hundred nine thousand five hon- to Insure reainst fire all property in fis Fire insurance. The contractor 4mg dred ninety seven dollars ($7,800,597.00) possession upon which & Partial DATISMA the life of this contract to increase the quantity of Regulators called for under in strict accordance with the specifica- is about to be made, such Insurance to be in a sum at touat equal to the Item 1 by any amount not exceeding tions, schedules and drawings, all of of such payment plus all other parting at not more than the unit which are made a part hereof, Changes. Where the supplies to be payments, If any, theretofore made price stipulated in Article 1 for said thereon, and further Agrees to Keep Mich Regulators. The Government Is granted furnished are to be specially manufac- property 50 insured. free of COME to the the further right and option at any time tured in accordance with drawlugs and Government, until the name la delivered during the life of this contract to in- specifications, the contracting officer to the Government. Such property la to crease the quantity of Regulators called may at any time, by a written order, and be considered 0,6 delivered to the Govern- for under Item 2 by any amount not without notice to the sureties, make ment upon its final acceptance, exceeding at not more than changes in the drawings or specifications, This contract Authorized under the the unit price stipulated in Article 1 for except Federal Specifications. Changes as to shipment and packing of all eup- provisions 1040. of section 1 (a), Act of July 2. said Regulators Advance payments. At any time and plles may also be made as above provided. PRANTIC W. Bullour. from time to time, after the approval Delays-Damüges. If the contractor Major, Signal Corps, of this contract. at the request of the refuses or fails to make deliveries of the Assistant to the Director of Contractor and subject to the approval materials or supplies within the time Purchases and Contracts. of the Chief of the Air Corps as to the specified in Article 1, or any extension thereof, the Government may by written [P. R. Doc. 41-6503, Filed, July 31, 1841) necessity therefor, the Government 10:05 n. m.) shall advance to the Contractor, without notice terminate the right of the con- payment of interest therefor by the Con- tractor to proceed with deliveries or such tractor, sums not to exceed three hun- part or paris thereof as to which there (Contract No. W 886 ac-18864. 4782) dred three thousand eighty three dollars has been delay. Payments. The contractor shall be SUMMARY OF CONTRACT FOR SUPPLIER and forty-tow cents ($203,083.44) or thirty percentum (30%) of the contract paid, upon the submission of properly CONTRACTOR: GENERAL MOTORS CORPORA price. certified invoices or vouchers, the prices TION, AEROPRODUCTS DIVISION Termination when contractor not In stipulated herein for articles delivered Contract for: Propellir M. de/ault. If. In the opinion of the con- and accepted or services rendered, less semblies and Data. tracting officer upon the approval of deductions, if any, as herein provided. Amount: $1,481,088.50, the Secretary of War, the best interests Unless otherwise specified, payments will Place: Matériel Division, Air Corps, of the Government so require, this con- be made on partial deliveries accepted U. 6. Army, Wright Field, Dayton, Ohio. tract may be terminated by the Gov- by the Government when the amount due The supplies and services to De ob- ernment, even though the contractor be on such deliveries so warrants: or, when tained by this instrument are authorized not in default, by a notice in writing requested by the contractor, payments by, are for the purpose set forth in, and relative thereto from the contracting for accepted partial deliveries shall be are chargeable to Procurement Authori- officer to the contractor. made whenever such payments would ties listed below, the available balances This contract authorized under the equal or exceed either $1,000 or 50 per- of which are sufficient to cover cost of provisions of section I (a), Act of July cent of the total amount of the contract. sume. 1040. Advance payments. Advance pay- FRANK W. BULLOCK, ments may be made from time to time for AC 34 P 12-3037 A 0705-01 Major. Stonal Corpr. the supplies called for when the Secretary AC 26 P 81-3037 A 0705-01 Assistant to the Director of of War deems such action Decessary in AC 28 P 82-3037 A 0705-01 Purchases and Contracts. the interest of the National Defense. This contract, entered into this na (2) n Don 41-5502; Filed, July 03. 1941: Price adjustment. The contract prices day of May 1941. 10:35 a. m.) stated in this contract for Parts are Scope of this contract. The contrac- subject to adjustments for changes in tor shall furnish and deliver labor and material costs. propeller assemblies and data for the [Contract No. W 535 ae-20003; 5215] General It la expressly agreed that consideration stated One Million Pour quotas for labor will not be altered on Hundred Eighty One Thousand Elghty SUMMARY OF CONTRACT FOR SUPPLIES account of delays in the completion of the Eight Dollars and Pifty Centa ($1,481- CONTRACTOR: CURTIES-WEIGHT CORPORA- Parts. 088.50) In strict accordance with the ITON, AIRPLANE DIVISION-BUFFALO PLANTS Termination when contractor not in specifications, schedules and drawings, Contract for: Maintenance Parts for default, It, in the opinion of the con- all of which are made a part hereof. tracting officer upon the approval of the Changes. Where the supplies to be Airplanes. Amount. $7,809,597.00. Secretary of War, the best interesta of the furnished are to be specially manufac- Place: Matériel Division, Air Corps, Government so require, this contract may tured in accordance with drawings and U. S. Army, Wright Field, Dayton, Ohio, be terminated by the Government, even though the contractor be not in default, may at any time, by & written order, and speelfications, the contracting office The supplies and services to be ob- tained by this Instrument are authorized by B. notice in writing relative thereto without notice to the surelles, make by, are for the purpose set forth in, and from the contracting officer to the con- changes in the drawings of specifica- are chargeable to Procurement Authority tractor. Mons, except Federal Specifications of Particl payments. The contracting Changes - to shipment and packing AC 28 P H2-3037 A 0708-01. the available balance of which is sufficient to cover officer may, from time to time, authorize all supplies may also be made AS above cost of same. partial payments to the contractor upon provided. Delays-Dumages. If the contractor the This contract, entered Into this 27th property acquired and/or produced by It day of June 1041. for the performance of this contract. refuses OF fails to make deliveries of time materials or supplies within the Title to property where partial pay- Tuxe 30, 1941. * Approved by the this Secretary of War ments are made. The title to all prop- Approved by the United - at erty upon which any partini payment is June 17. 1941. Regraded Unclassified FEDERAL REGISTER, Friday, August 1, INI 3835 spectfied to Article 1. or SUP extendido Scope of the contract. The contractor shall furntain and deliver aty which any partial payment la thereof, the Government may by written air- mede to the completion of this cob- notice terminate the right of the COD> planes, spare parts therefor and anta for trant, shall vest in the Government. vacior to proceed with deliveries - such the consideration stated not to exceed part or parts thereof as to which there Ten Million Five thindred Eighty-seven Fire insurance, The contractor agrees to Insure against fire all property in its bas been delay. Thousand One Hundred Ninety-two Dol- possension upon which a partial payment Payments. The contrastor shall be lare (810,887,192.00) In strict accordance la about to be made, such lasurance to be paid, upon the submission of property with the specifications, schedules, and in a sum at least equal to the amount of certified invoices or vouchers, the prices drawings. all of which are made a part stipulated berein for articles delivered hereof. such payment plus all other partial pay- ments, If any, theretofore made thereon, and accepted or services rendered, loss Changes. Where the supplies to be and further agrees to keep such property deductions, if any, as herein provided. furnished are to be specially manufac- no Insured, free of onet to the Govern- Unless otherwise specified. payments will tured in accordance with drawings and ment, until the same is delivered to the be made on partial deliveries accepted specifications, the contracting officer may Government. by the Government when the amount at any time, by a written order, and with- This contract is authorized under the due on such deliveries so warrants; or out notice to the sureties, make changes provisions of Bection 1 (a) Act of July 2, when requested by the contractor, pay- in the drawings or specifications, except 1940. ments for accepted partial deliveries Federal Specifications. Changes M to shall be made whenever such payments shipment and packing of all supplies may FRANK W. BULLOCK, would equal or exceed either $1,000 or also be made as above provided. Major, Signal Corps, 50 percent of the total amount of the Delays-Damages. If the contractor Assistant to the Director of refuses or falls to make deliveries of the Purchases and Contracts. contract, Option. The Government is granted materials or supplies within the time IF B. Doc. 41-5600 Filed, July II, 1041) the right and option at any time prior specified in Article 1, or any extension 10:35 s. m.] to to increase the quantity thereof, the Government may by written of propeller assemblies called for under notice terminate the right of the con- paragraph (1) of Article 16 hereof to tractor to proceed with deliveries or such (Contract No. W sas no-1201 any quantity not exceeding part or parts thereof as to which there Termination when contractor not in has been delay. SUMMARY OF CONTRACT POR SOFFLIES de/ault. If, in the opinion of the con- Payments. The contractor shall be tracting officer upon the approval of the paid, upon the submission of properly CONTRACTOR: NORTHBOP ATRCRAPT, INC Secretary of War, the best interests of certified invoices or vouchers, the prices Contract for Airplanes, the Government BO require, this contract stipulated herein for articles delivered Spare Parts Therefor, and Data. may be terminated by the Government, and accepted or services rendered, less Amount, $16,287,134.00. even though the contractor be not in deductions, if any, as hereio provided. Place, Matériel Division, Air Corps, default, by & notice In writing relative Unless otherwise specified, payments will U. Army, Wright Field, Dayton, Ohio. thereto from the contracting officer to be made on partial deliveries accepted The supplies and services to be ob- the contractor. by the Government when the amount tained by this instrument are authorized This contract authorised under the due on such deliveries 20 warrants; or, by, are for the purpose set forth In, and provisions of Section 1 (s), Act of July when requested by the contractor, pay- are chargesble to Procurement Authority 2, 1940. ments for accepted partial deliveries shall AC 299 P 111-30 A 0021-13, the available PRANK W. BULLOCK, be made whenever such payments would balance of which is sufficient to cover Major, Signal Corps, equal or exceed either 81,000 or 50 percent cost of same. Assistant to the Director of of the total amount of the contract. This contract, entered into this June Purchases and Contracts, Partial payments will be made as the 26th, 1941. work progresses at the end of each cal- Scope of this contract. The contrac- 17. R. Doc. 41-0094) Filed, July BL, 1943; endar month or as soon thereafter as tor shall furnish and deliver 10:85 B. m.] practicable on authenticated statements airplanes, spare parts and data for the of expenditures of the Contractor ap- consideration stated aixteen million two proved by the Contracting Officer. hundred eighty seven thousand one bun- (Contract No. W 538 en-10293 (4017) Advance payments. Advance payments dred thirty four dollars ($16,287,134.00) may be made from time to time for the In strict accordance with the specifica- SUMMARY OF CONTRACT FOR Bovelins supplies called for, when the Secretary tions, schedules and drawings, all of of War deems such action necessary in which are made a part hereof. CONTRACTOR: DOUILAR AIRCHAFT COMPANY, the interest of the National Defense. Changes. Where the supplies to be INC. Price adjustment. The contract prices furnished are to be specially mapufac- Contract for: ... Airplanes, stated in this contract for airplanes and tured in accordance with drawings and Spare Parts Therefor and Date spare parts are subject to adjustments specifications, the contracting officer may Amount $10,587,192.00 for changes in labor and material costa. at not time, by a written order, and with- Place: Matérie) Division, Air Curps, It is expressly agreed that quotas for out notice to the stireties, make changes U. S, Army, Wright Field, Dayton Ohio. The supplies and services to be ob- Inbor will not be altered on account of in the drawings or specifications, except lained by this Instrument are authorized delays in the completion of the airplanes Federal Specifications. Changes as to shipment and packing of all supplies may by, are for the purpose set forth in and and spare parts. also be made as above provided. are chargeable to the following Procure- Termination when contractor not in Delays-Damages. If the contractor ment Authorities. the available balances default. If, in the opinion of the non- refuses or falls to make deliveries of the same: of which are sufficient to cover costs of tracting officer upon the approval of the materials or supplies within the time Secretary of War, the bert interests of the specified in Article 1. or any extension Government so require, this contract may AC 34 P 12-30 A 0708-12 thereof, the Government may by written be terminated by the Government, even AC 28 P 03-50 & 0705-12 notice terminate the right of the con- though the contractor be not to default, tractor to proceed with deliveries or such This contract, entered into this 10th by a notice in writing relative thereto part or parta thereof as to which there day of June 1941. from the contracting officer to the con- has been delay. trunker. June Approved a 1941. leg the United licensury 4 Tow Title to where partial pay- Approved by the United at for words we made. The title to will prop- Time 2, 1941. FEDERAL REGISTER, Friday, August s. Payments. The contractor shall be DEPARTMENT OF THR INTERIOR, shall be domant to have admitted & yald, upon the submission of properly Bituminous Coal Division ellegations of the complaint hereby certified tovoices or vouchers, the prices to have consented to the only 4f and in stipulated herein for articles delivered (Docket No. facta alleged appropriate order on the bruis of Ou and accepted or services rendered, less IN THE MATTER or ONL COAL COMPANY, deductions, If any. as herein provided. & PARTNERSHIP. Coor MEMBER. Dr. All persons are hereby notified that Unless otherwise specified. payments will FENDANT the hearing in the above-entitled Watter be made on partial deliveries accepted by NOTICE or AND ORDER FOR HEARING and orders entered therein may concern, the Government when the amount due in addition to the matters specifically on such deliveries so warrants; or, when A complaint dated May 6, 1941, pur- alleged in the complaint herein, other requested by the contractor, payments miant to the provisions of sections 4 II matters incidental and related thereio, for accepted partial deliveries shall be (j) and 6 (b) of the Bituminous Coal whether raised by amendment of the made whenever such payments would Act of 1927. having been duly filed on complaint, petition for intervention, or equal or exceed either $1,000 or 50 per- May 15. 1941, by Bituminous Coal Pro- otherwise, and all persons are caultoned cent of the total amount of the contract. ducers Board for District No. 11. a Dis- to be guided accordingly. Partial payments will be made as the trict Board. complainant, with the Bi- The matter concerned herewith M in work progresses at the end of each cal- tuminous Coal Division alleging willful regard to the complaint flied by mid endar month or as soon thereafter AS violation by the defendant of the Bitum- complainant, alleging willful violation by practicable on authenticated statements inous Coal Code of rules and regulations the above-named defendant of the Bity, of expenditures of the Contractor ap- thereunder: minous Coal Code or rules and regula- proved by the Contracting Officer. It in ordered, That a hearing in respect tions thereunder as follows: That during Advance payments, Advance pay- to the subject matter of such complaint the period March 1, 1941, to March 4. ments may be made from time to time be held on September 24, 1941, at 10 9. m. 1041, inclusive, the defendant violated for the supplies called for, when the Sec- at a hearing room of the Bituminous the effective minimum prices by selling retary of War deems such action neces- Coal Division the Post Office Building, to various purchasers Including Waller sary in the Interest of the National De- Terre Haute, Indiana. Scott, Jessie Mason, Teal Whalker. Har- tense, It is further ordered, That W. A. Ship- old Walter, Levi Gambil), and Chemter Price adjustment. The contract prices man or any other officer or officers of the Bodwers. approximately 21,200 pounds of stated in this contract for airplanes and Bituminous Coal Division designated by coal prepared over a one-inch bar screen, spare parts are subject to adjustments the Director thereof for that purpose produced at the defendant's McCammon for changes in labor and material costs. shall preside at the hearing In such mat- Mine, Mine Index No. 1133 located in Bul- General, n is expressly agreed that ter. The officer so designated to preside Uvan County, Indiana, at the price of QUOTAS for labor will not be altered on at such hearing is hereby authorized to $1.80 per ton f. D. b. the mine whereas account of delays in the completion of conduct said hearing, to administer onths the effective minimum price for such coal, the airplanes and spare parts. and affirmations, examine witnesses, sub- Size Group No. 8, was and is $2.20 per Title to property where partial pay- poena witnesses, compel their attend- ton. ments are made. The title to all prop- ance, take evidence, require the produe- Dated: July 28, 1941. erty upon which any partial payment is tion of any books, papers. correspond- (BEAL) DAN H. WITHILE, made prior to the completion of this con- ence, memoranda or other records Acting Director. tract, shall vest in the Government. deemed relevant or material to the In- Five Insurance. The Contractor quiry, to continue said hearing from time (F) B. Doe. 41-8552: Filed, July 81, 1941; to time, and to such places as be may 10:04 N. m.) agrees to Insure against fire all property in Its possession upon which a partial direct by announcement at said hearing payment is about to be made, such insur- or any adjourned hearing or by subse- once to be in a sum at least equal to the quent notice, and to prepare and submit [Dooket No. 1661-FD) amount of such payment plus all other to the Director proposed findings of fact In THE MATTER or A. E. Borns, partial payments, If any, theretofore and conclusions and the recommendation DEFENDANT made thereon, and further agrees to keep of an appropriate order in the premises, such property so Insured. free of cost to and to perform all other duties In con- MOTICE OF AND ORDER FOR HEARING the Government, until the name is de- nection therewith authorized by law, A complaint dated April 20, 1941. Uvered to the Government. Such prop- Notice of such hearing la hereby given pursuant to the provisions of sections arty is to be considered as delivered to to said defendant and to all other par- 4. II (j) and 5 (b) of the Bituminous the Government upon Its final accept- ties herein and to all persons and entitles Coal Act of 1937, having been duty filed ance. having an interest in such proceeding, on May 1. 1041, by Bituminous Coal Termination when contractor not in Any person or entity eligible under ducers Board for District No. 13. . DD- de/ault. If, in the opinion of the con- I 201.123 of the Rules and Regulations trict Board, complainant, with the Bild- tracting officer upon the approval of the Governing Practice and Procedure Be- minous Coal Division alleging willful Secretary of War, the best Interests of fore the Bituminous Coal Division in Pro- violation by the defendant of lbs THAN- the Government 50 require, this contract coedings Instituted Pursuant to sections minous Coal Code or rules and regula- may be terminated by the Government, 4 II (j) and 5 (b) of the Bituminous Coal tiona thereunder: even though the contractor be not in de- Act of 1937, may file a petition for inter- It is ordered, That B bearing in n- fault by a notice in writing relative vention not later than five (5) days spect to the subject matter of such com- thereto from the contracting officer to before the date herein set for bearing on plaint be held on October 16, 1941, at the contractor. the complaint 10 n. m., at B hearing room of the Bittle This contract Ls authorized under the Notice in hereby given, that answer to minous Coal Division at Room 303. Jef- provisions of section 1 (a), Act of July 2, the complaint must be filed with the BJ- ferson County Courthouse, Birmingham. 1940. tuminous Coal Division at its Washing- FRANK W. BULLOCK, ton office or with any one of the statis- Alabama. It is further ordered. That Travis WII- Major, Signal Corps, tical bureaus of the Division, within llama of any other officer or officers of Assistant to the Director of twenty (20) days after date of service the Bituminous Coal Division designated Purchases and Contracts. thereof on the defendant; and that any defendant failing to file AD answer within shall preside at the hearing in such male by the Director thereof for that purpose IT Doc. 41-5500; Filmil, July SL 1941) 10:36 no.) such period. unless the Director OF the at mich handling to hereby mathorised ter. The officer 60 designated to preside M presiding officer shall otherwise order, Regraded Unclassified FEDERAL REGISTER, Friday, August 2, 1947 383T construct asid hearting to administer ton, All contained to the Schedule of fore the Bittuminous Coal Division in oaths and affirmations, examine will- Effective Minimum Priors for District No. Proceedings Instituted Purmant to - name, subpoctia witnesses, compel their 13 for Truck Shipments, plus un emount dons 4 12 (j) and 5 (b) of the Bilumi- attendance, take evidence, require the at lenst equal, as nearly as practicable. THOUS Coal Act of 1937, may file & petition production of any books, papers, corre- to the notual transportation, handling for Intervention not later chan five (5) spondence, memoranda or other records or Incidental charges of whatsoever kind days before the date herein set for near- deemed relevant or material to the in- OF character (exclusive of customary ing on the complaint. quiry, to continue said hearing from conta of mine operations) from the trans- Notice is hereby given that answer to ume to time, and to such places as he portation Includities at said mine to the the complaint must be filed with the may direct by announcement at cald point from which all such charges were Bituminous Coal Division at its Wash- hearing or any adjourned hearing of by assumed and directly paid by the pur- ington office or with any one of the sta. subsequent notice, and to prepare and chaser. tistical bureaus of the Division, within submit to the Director proposed findings Dated: July 28, 1941 twenty (20) days after date of service of fact and conclusions and the recom- [mmail DAM 8. WEEELED, thereof on the defendant: and that any mendation of an appropriate order in Acting Director. defendant failing to file an answer within the premises, and to perform all other 18. 8. Doc. Filed. July 21, 1941) such period, unless the Director or the duides in connection therewith author- 10:04 5. m.) presiding officer shall otherwise order. ized by law. shall be deemed to have admitted the Notice of such bearing is hereby given allegations of the complaint herein and to said defendant and to all other par- [Dockes No. 1682-20) to have consented to the entry of all Des herein and to all persons and en- IN THE MATTER or c. T. NORMAN. appropriate order on the basis of the Escts titles having an Interest in such pro- DEFENDANT alleged. ceeding. Any person or entity eligible All persons are hereby notified that the under 1 301.123 of the Rules and Regli- NOTICE OF AND ORDER FOR HEARING hearing in the above-entitled matter and lations Governing Practice and Proce- A complaint dated April 29, 1041, pur- orders entered therein may concern, In dure Before the Bituminous Coal Divi- suant to the provisions of sections 4 II addition to the mattera specifically al- slon in Proceedings Instituted Pursuant (j) and 5 (b) of the Bituminous Coal Act leged In the complaint herein, other mat- to sections 4 II (j) and 5 (b) of the of 1937, having been duly flied on May 1, tera incidental and related thereto, Bituminous Coal Act of 1937, may file 1941, by Bituminous Coal Producers whether ruised by amendment of the a petition for Intervention not later than Board for District No. 12, a District complaint, petition for Intervention, or Ave (5) days before the date herein set Board, complainant, with the Bitumi- otherwise, and all persons are cautioned for hearing on the complaint. nous Coal Division alleging willful viola- to be guided accordingly. Notice is hereby given that answer to The matter concerned herewith is in tion by the defendant of the Bituminous the complaint must be nied with the Coal Code or rules and regulations there- regard to the complaint filed by said com- Bituminous Coal Division at its Wesh- plainant, alleging willful violation by the under: Ington office or with any one of the sta- above-named defendant of the Bitumi- If is ordered, That a hearing in respect tistical bureaus of the Division, within to the subject matter of such complaint nous Coal Code or rules and regulations twenty (20) days after date of service thereunder as follows: By selling during be held on October 10. 1941, at 10 &: m., thereof on the defendant: and that any the period October 1, 1940, through Feb- at a heartng room of the Bituminous defendant failing to file an answer within ruary 1941, to Tombrello Coal Company, Coal Division at Room 303, Jefferson such period unless the Director or the Cardiff, Alabama, approximately 949 tons County Court House, Birmingham, Ala- presiding officer shall otherwise order, of 1½" I 0 coal, Blae Group No. 23, pro- bama. shall be deemed to have admitted the duced at defendant's Norman Doal Co It is further ordered, That Travis Wil- allegations of the complaint herein and Mine, Mine Index No. 852, located in Hama or any other officer or officers of to have consented to the entry of an Jefferson County, Alabama, in District the Bituminous Coal Division designated appropriate order on the basis of the facts No. 13, at a price of $2.05 per too delivered by the Director thereof for that purpose alleged. to Cardiff, Alabama, whereas the applics- shall preside at the hearing in such mat- All persons are hereby notified that ble minimum price f. 0, b, the mine el- let. The officer 60 designated to preside tablished for such cosi is $2.40 per pri the hearing in the above-entitled matter at such hearing is hereby authorized to ton, as contained in the Behedule of and orders entered therein may concern, conduct said bearing. to administer Effective Minimum Prices for District No. in addition to the matters specifically oaths and affirmations, examine wit- alleged In the complaint herein, other 19 for Truck Shipments, plus an amount nesses, subpoens witnesses, compel their at least equal, as nearly as practicable, matters incidental and related thereto, attendance, take evidence, require the whether raised by amendment of the to the actual transportation, handling or production of any books, papers, corre- Incidental charges of whatsoever kind or complaint, petition for intervention, or spondence, memoranda or other records character (exclusive of customary costs otherwise, and all persons are cautioned deemed relevant or material to the 10- to be guided accordingly. of mine operations) from the transpor- quity, to continue said hearing from The matter concerned berewith is to tation facilities at said mine to the point time to time, and to such places as he from which all such charges were at- regard to the complaint filed by said may direct by announcement at said sumed and directly paid by the purchaser. complainant. alleging willful violation by hearing or any adjourned hearing or by the above-named defendant of the Bitu- Dated: July 28, 1941. subsequent notice, and to prepare and minous Coal Code or rules and regula- submit to the Director proposed find- (STAL) DAN R. Washess, tions thereunder as follows: By selling Acting Director. Ingo of fact and conclusions and the during February 1941. to Republic-Pratt recommendation of an appropriate order 17. IL This 41-5854; Filed, July fl. 1041) Coal Company, Birmingham, Alabama, in the premises. and to perform all other 10:04 a. m.) approximately 22½ tons of 116" * 0 coal, duties in connection therewith author- Bite Group No. 23, produced at defend- leef by law. ant's Blue Diamond Mine, Mine Index Notice of such beartig is hereby given No. INC-PD) No. 287, located in Jeffereun County. Als- lo mid defendant and to all other par- In THE MATTER OF 20 SEXELOR, barna, In District No. 18, at prices of $1.00 the herein and to all persons and entitles DEPENDANT per ton and $1.85 per ton delivered to Republic, Alstama, whereas the appli- having an interest to such proceeding. NOTICE OF AND CEDES FOR INSARING table missimm Declare L 0, b. the with Any person or entity eligible under 1 $01,123 of the Rules and Regulations A complaint dated April 29. 1041, established for mub coal is $2.40 Dell let Governing Practice and Procedure Der proment to the provisiona of sections 3838 FEDERAL REGISTER, Friday, August 1, 1981 N II (j) and 5 (b) of the Bituminous matters incidental and related thereto, deemed relevant or material to the Coal Act of 1937, having been duly filed whether raised by amendment of the quiry, to continue eald hearing from line on May 1. 1941. by Dituminous Coal Pro- complaint, petition for intervention. or Ouers Board for District No. 13. a Dis- otherwise, and all persons are cautioned to time, and to each places as the may direct by adnouncement at sale beardy trict Board, complainant, with the Bittl- to be guided accordingly. of any adjourned bearing or by a minoria Coal Division alleging willful The matter concerned herewith in in quent notice, and to prepare and nime violation by the defendant of the Bitu* regard to the complaint filed by said to the Director proposed findings of No minous Coal Code or rules and regula- complainant, alleging willful violation and conclustons and the recommendation stons thereunder: by the above-named defendant of the of an appropriate order In the premise, It 4a ordered, That of hearing In respect Bituminous Coal Code or rules and reg. and to perform all other duties In con- so the subject matter of such complaint ulations thereunder as follows: By sall- nection therewith authorised by low. be held on October 16, 1941, at 10 B. m., ing subsequent to September 30, 1940, to Notice of such hearing is Dercby alven at a hearing room of the Bituminous Tombrello Coal Company, Cardiff, Als- to mid defendant and to all other parties Coal Division, Room 202, Jefferson bama, approximately DO tons of 1½" I 0 herein and to all persons and entitles County Court House. Birmingham, coal, Size Group No. 23, produced at de- having an interest in such Proceeding Alabama. fendant's Sheelor Mine, Mine Index No. Any person or entity eligible under It is /urther ordered, That Travis Wil- 371, located in Jefferson County, Ala- 301.123 of the Rules and Regulations liams or any other officer or officers of bama, in District No. 13, at a price of Governing Practice and Procedure Be- the Bituminous Coal Division designated $2.05 per ton delivered to Cardiff, Ala- fore the Biluminous Coal Division in by the Director thereof for that purpose bams, whereas the applicable minimum Proceedings Instituted Pursuant to - shall preside at the hearing in such price f. o. b. the mine established for such tions 4 II (j) and 5 (b) of the Bitumineus matter. The officer so designated to coal is $2.30 per net ton, as contained in Coal Act of 1937, may file a petition for preside at such hearing is hereby au- the Schedule of Effective Minimum intervention not later than five (5) days thortzed to conduct said hearing. to ad- Prices for District No. 18 for Truck Ship- before the date herein net for hearing on minister oaths and affirmations, examine ments, plus an amount at least equal, as the complaint. witnesses, subpoens witnesses, compel nearly as practicable, to the actual trans- Notice is hereby given that answer 3 their attendance, take evidence, require portation. handling or Incidental charges the complaint must be filed with lhr the production of any books, papers, cor- of whatsoever kind or character (exclu- Bituminous Coal Division at its Wash- respondence, memoranda or other rec- nive of customary costs of mine opera- Ingion office or with any one of the na- ords deemed relevant or material to the tlons) from the transportation facilities tistical bureaus of the Division, within Inquiry, to continue said hearing from at sald mine to the point from which all twenty (20) days after date of service time to time, and to such places as he such charges were assumed and directly thereof on the defendant: and that BOY may direct by announcement at said paid by the purchaser. defendant failing to file an answer within hearing or any adjourned hearing or by Dated: July 28, 1941. such period, unless the Director or the subsequent notice, and to prepare and [SEAL] DAN H. WHEELER, presiding officer shall otherwise order, submit to the Director proposed findings shall be deemed to have admitted the Acting Director. of fact and conclusions and the recom- allegations of the complaint herein and mendation of an appropriate order in (P. R. Doc. 41-8655; Piled, July 01, 1941: to have consented to the entry of an the premises, and to perform all other 10:04 L m.] appropriate order on the barta of the duties in connection therewith author- facts alleged. Ised by law. All persons are hereby notified that the Notice of such hearing is hereby given (Docket No. 1686-FD) hearing to the above-entitled matter and to said defendant and to all other par- IN THE MATTER OF DATET CITY COAL COM- orders entered therein may contern, to Uer herein and to all persons and en- PANY, DEPENDANT addition to the matters specifically & titles having an Interest in such proceed- leged In the complaint herein, other Ing. Any person or entity eligible under NOTICE OF AND ORDER FOR HEARING matters incidental and related thereto, 301,123 of the Rules and Regulations A complaint dated April 29, 1941, pur- whether remaed by amendment of the Governing Practice and Procedure Be- suant to the provisions of sections 4 II complaint, petition for intervention. or fore the Bituminous Coal Division in ($) and 5 (b) of the Bituminous Coal Act otherwise, and all persons are cautioned Proceedings Instituted Pursuant to sec- of 1937, having been duly filed on May 1. to be guided accordingly. None 4 II (1) and 5 (b) of the Bitumi- 1941. by Bituminous Coal Producera The matter concerned herewith in in nous Coal Act of 1937. may file B. petition Board for District No. 13, a District regard to the complaint filed by said for Intervention not later than five (5) Board, complainant, with the Bituminous complainant, alleging willful violation by days before the date herein set for hear- Coal Division alleging willful violation by the above-named defendant of the Bi- ing on the complaint, the defendant of the Bituminous Coal tuminous Coal Code or rules and regula- Notice is hereby given that answer to Code or rules and regulations thereunder: tions thereunder as follows: By selling the complaint must be filed with the It is ordered, That a hearing in respect during the period October 1, 1940. Bituminous Coal Division at its Wash- to the subject matter of such complaint through February 1041, to Tombrello Ingion office or with any one of the statis- be held on October 16, 1941, at 10 a. m., Coal Company. Cardiff, Alabama, ap- tical bureaus of the Division, within at A hearing room of the Bituminous protinately 1202 tons of 1½" X 0 coal, twenty (20) days after date of service Coal Division, Room 303, Jefferson County Size Group No. 23. produced at defend- thereof on the defendant; and that any Court House, Birmingham, Alabama, ant's Daisy City #1 & #1 Mine, Mine defendant failing to file an answer within It is further ordered, Tbst Travis Wil- Index No. 310, located in Jefferson such period, unless the Director or the Itams or any other officer or officers of County, Alabama, In District No. 13. at presiding officer shall otherwise order, shall be deemed to have admitted the al- the Bituminous Coal Division designated a price of $2.05 per ton delivered to Car- legations of the-complaint herein and to by the Director thereof for that purpose diff, whereas the applicable shall preside at the hearing in such mat- minimum price 1. o. b. the mine estab- have consented to the entry of 60 appro- printe order on the basis of the Taota ter, The officer 60 designated to preside Mahed BOY much coal is $2.40 per nel ton, at such bearing in hereby authorized to as contained in the Schedule of alleged. conduct sald hearing. to admitilster oaths Live Minimum Prices for District No. 13 All persons are hereby notified that and affirmations. oxamine witnesses, for Truck Shipments, plus an amount gl the hearing in the above-entittled matter subposna witneases, compel their stima- least equal, as nearly as practicable, B and orders culcred therein may concern, in addition to the matters specifically ano, take evidence, require the pro- incidental charges of whatsoover and the antual transportation. handling of alleged in the complaint herein, other chieting of any books, papers, corre- spondence, memorands or other records or character (exclusive of customsty Regraded Unclassified FEDERAL REGISTER, Frides, August I, the 3839 sosts of mine operations) from the Notice is hereby given, that and to VIOLATION by the defendants of the littu. transportation facilities al all mine to the complaint must be tiled with the n. minmis Coal Code or rules nod regula- (be point from which all such charges tuminous Coal Division at its Washing- Mons thereunder: were assumed and directly paid by the too office or with any one of the statis- tieed burness of the Division. within It la ordered, That a hearing in respect purchaser. Dated: July 35. 1641. twenty (20) days after date of service to the subject matter of such complaint be held on October 16, 1941, at 10 a. m. DATE N. threeof on the défendant; and that any (SEAL) at a hearing room of the Tituminous Acting Director, defendant failing to file an shower within Coal Division, Room 303, Jefferson mich portod. Unless the Director or the County Court House. Birmingham, Ala- (7. R. Doc. 41-3006 Fund, July SL, 1960 presiding officer shall otherwise order, bama, is 10:00 di shall be dermed to have admitted the It la further ordered, That Travis WII- allegations of the completed herein and lisms or any other officer or officers of to have consented to the entry of an ap- the Bituminous Coal Division designated [Doclost No. (686-75) propriate order on the batis of the facts by the Director thereof for that purpose Is THE MATTER OF E. D. AUNTT, alleged. shall preside at the hearing in such mat- DEFENDANT All persons are hereby notified, that ter. The officer 60 designated to preside the hearing to the above-entitled matter NOTICE OF AND ORDER FOR HEARING at such hearing la hereby authorized to and orders entered therein may concern, conduct said bearing, to administer onthe A complaint dated April 29, 1041, part- to addition to the matters specifically and affirmations, examine witnesses, suant to the provisions of sections 4 II alleged in the complaint herein, other subpoens witnesses, compel their At- (j) and 5 (b) of the Bituminous Coal Act matters incidental and related thereto, tendance, take evidence, require the of 1937, having been duly filed OD May 1. whether raised by amendment of the production of any books, papers, corre- 1941, by Bituminous Coal Producers complaint, petition for intervention, or spondence, memoranda or other records Board for District No. 13, a District otherwise, and all persons and cautioned deemed relevant or material to the in- Board, complainant, with the Bitumi- to be guided accordingly. quiry, to continue said hearing from DOUS Coal Division alleging willful The matter concerned berewith le in time to time, and to such places as be violation by the defendant of the Bitumi- regard to the complaint filed by said may direct by announcement at said nous Coal Code or rules and regulations complainent, alleging willful violation hearing or any adjourned hearing or by thereunder; by the above-named defendant of the subsequent notice, and to prepare and It is ordered, That a hearing in respect Bituminous Coal Code or rules and regu- submit to the Director proposed findings to the subject matter of such complaint lations thereunder as follows: By selling of fact and conclusions and the recom- be held on October 16, 1941, at 10 a. m., during the period October 1, 1940, mendation of BD appropriate order in nt a hearing room of the Bituminous through February 1041, to Tombrello the premises, and to perform all other Coal Division, Room 303, Jefferson Coal Company, Cardiff, Alabama, ap- duties in connection therewith author- County Court House, Birmingham, Ala- proximately 739 tons of 1½" * D coal, ised by law. bama. Blse Group No. 23, produced at defend- Notice of such hearing la hereby given It is further ordered, That Travis Will- ant's Abney Mine, Mine Index No. 278, to said defendants and to all other par- llams or any other officer or officers of located in Jeffersou County. Alabama, in ties herein and to all persons and en- the Bituminous Coal Division designated District No. 18, at a price of $2.05 per ton titles having an interest in such proceed- by the Director thereof for that purpose delivered to Cardiff, Alabama, whereas Ing. Any person or entity eligible under shall preside at the hearing in such mat- the applicable minimum price t. o. b. the I 301.123 of the Rules and Regulations tar. The officer ao designated to pre- mine established for such coal is $2.40 Governing Practice and Procedure Be- side at such hearing la hereby authorized per net ton, as contained in the Schedule fore the Bittiminous Coal Division in to conduct said hearing, to administer of Effective Minimum Prices for District Proceedings Instituted Pursuant to sec- eaths and affirmations, examine wit- No. 13 for Truck Shipments, plus &0 tions 4 II (j) and 5 (b) of the Bitumi- nesses, subpoena withenses, compel their amount et least equal, as nearly as prac- nous Coal Act of 1937, may file & peti- attendance, take evidence, require the ticable, to the actual transportation, tion for intervention not later than five production of any books, papers, cor- handling or Incidental charges of what- (5) days before the date herein set for respondence, memoranda or other rec- souver kind or character (exclusive of ords deemed relevant or material to the hearing on the complaint. customary costs of mine operations) inquiry, to continue sald hearing from from the transportation facilities at sald Notice la hereby given. that answer to time to time, and to such places as be mine to the point from which all such the complaint must be filed with the Bl- may direct by announcement at said charges were assumed and directly paid tuminous Coal Division at its Washington hearing or any adjourned hearing or by office or with any one of the statistical by the purchaser. subsequent notice, and to prepare and Dated: July 28, 1941. bureaus of the Division, within twents submit to the Director proposed findings (20) days after date of service thereof Dan H. WHEELER, of fact and conclusions and the recom- (mail) on the defendants; and that any de- Acting Director. mendation of an appropriate order in the fendant failing to file an answer within premises, and to perform all other digitles (7) L Inc. 41-0887; FUNI, July 11, 1941: such period, unless the Director or the law. in connection therewith authorized by 10:05 L. m.) presiding officer shall otherwise order, shall be deemed to have admitted the Notice of such hearing is hereby given allegations of the complaint herein and to said defendant and to all other parties [Dosem No. 1697-PD) to have consented to the entry of AG herein and to all persons and entities 24 THE MATTER OF Loso & KAIT, appropriate order on the basis of the having an interest to such proceeding. DEPENSANTS facts alleged. Any person or entity eligible under All persons are hereby notified, that $ 201.123 of the Rules and Regulations NOTICE OF LED ORDER FOR HEARTPS the bearing to the above-entitled matter Governing Practice and Procedure Re- A complaint dated April 29, 1941, pur- and orders entered therein may concern, fore the Bitumings Coal Division in Pro- aunut to the provisions of sections 4 II in addition to the matters specifically al- coodings Instituted Purmant to sections ($) and 5 (D) of the Dituminous Coal leged in the complaint herein, other mat- 4 Il (j) and & (b) of the Dituminous Adi of 1937, having betn duty filed on ters incidental and related thereto, Coal Act of 1937, may Do a petition for May 1, 1941, by Cost Pro- whether raised by amendment of the intervention not later than five (5) days ducers Board for District No. 13, a Dis- complaint, petttion for intervention. of before the date berain et for buiring trtel Board, completed with the Til- otherwise, and all person are exullonad on the complaint. tentrious Coal Division aftertion willfed to be guided accordingly. 2840 FEDERAL REGISTER, Friday, August I. IMI The matter concerned herewith to in therefor, and resold and delivered the Use berein and to all persons and milds vegard to the complaint filed by sald same to the Ohio Edison Company at having an total to such processing complathant, alleging winful violation by Toronto, Ohio, at less than the affective the above-named defendants of the BI- minimum prices therefor, and to addi- Notice to given that ADAWE to tion thereto failed to add at least the the charges alleged herein must be Beg trumémous Coal Code or rules and regula- with the Districtions Coal Division all to Mana thereunder as follows: By selling actual transportation charges from the Washington Office or with any ves 1 during the period October 1. 1940, respective mines at which the coal was through February 1041, to Tombrello Coal produced to the point from which all the statistical buryaus of the Division within twenty (30) days offer date of Company. Cardiff, Alabama, approxi- such charges were assumed and directly sor. for thereof on the respondent: RAS mately 49 tons of 1½" = 0 coal, Size paid by the Ohio Edison, Company at that any respondent failing to file 40 Group No. 13, produced at defendants' Toronto, Ohio, as follows: nnswer within such period, unless the Long & Early Mine, Mine Index No. 346, Director or the presiding offleer the located In Jefferson County. Alabama, in Pricest Mini- which otherwise order, shall be deemed to have District No. 13, at a price of $2.05 per ton mem deliv- admitted the alleged charges end to have delivered to Cardiff, Alabama, whereas prios end to consented to the entry of an appropriate Total E.b. Ohlo she applicable minimum price 1. 0. b. the Producer toma mine, Edisin order on the bests of the facts alleged, mine established for such coal is $2.40 per truck Co. at ship- To- All persons are hereby notified Want the net ton, M contained In the Schedule of meets mate, hearing to the above-entitied matter and Effective Minimum Prices for District No. Ohio orders entered therein may concern, to 13 for Truck Shipments, plus an amount addition to the matters specifically a)- at least equal, as nearly as practicable, Eltehma Cost & Coke Co. 5,900.40 $1.90 $1.45 Clean Coal Company. 687.68 L 00 1.45 leged herein, other matters incidentar to the actual transportation, handling or Bours Run Mining Co $81.00 1.90 1.45 and related thereto, whether raised by Incidental charges of whatsoever kind or City Ceal Co 602,40 1,90 1.45 Royman Coal Co $3.40 1.90 1.45 amendment, petition for intervention, or character (exclusive of customery costs Woodsdale Fuel Cq 366.70 1.90 L45 otherwise, and all persons are cautioned of mine operations) from the transporta- Stort Creek Cost Co 20.10 1.90 1.45 to be guided accordingly. Liberty Cost Co. 63.95 1.9) 1.40 tion facilities at said mine to the point Reliable Coal Cir 294.20 1.00 1.40 Dated: July 26, 1941. from which all such charges were assumed Ferry Coal Co 19.40 1.90 L45 [STAL] DAN H. WHEELE, and directly paid by the purchaser. Total 10,050.40 Acting Director, Dated: July 28, 1041. DAN H. WHEELER, (7. R. Doe. 41-5040) Filed, July $1, (941) THEAS] The respondent, in making the sales 10:06 5. m.) Acting Director. hereinabove described, violated section 4 (7) 2L. Doe. 41-5500; Filed, July $1, 1941: II (e) of the Act, the Behedule of Effec- 10:00 a. ml Live Minimum Prices, for District No. 6. [Docket No. 1766-FD) for Truck Shipment, paragraph (6) of the Price Instructions of said Schedule, IN THE MATTER OF NOMBIS COAL COMPANY, [Docket No. 1658-FD] and paragraphs (b), (c) and (e) of the A PARTNERSHIP, DEFENDANT IN THE MATTER OF W. H. WARNER & CoM- Agreement. NOTICE OF AND ORDER FOR HEARING PANY, Inc., REGISTERED DISTRIBUTOR, It la therefore ordered, That a hearing REGISTRATION No. 9432, RESPONDENT A complaint dated May 1, 1941, pur- pursuant to 304.14 of the Rules and suant to the provisions of sections 4 II NOTICE or AND ORDER FOR HEARING Regulations for the Registration of Dia- (j) and 5 (b) of the Bituminous Coal 1. The Bituminous Coal Division finds tributors, to determine whether the reg- Act of 1937, having been duly filed on It necessary, in the proper administra- istration of said distributor should be May 1, 1941, by Bituminous Coal Pro- Non of the Bituminous Coal Act of 1937 revoked or suspended, or other appropri- ducers Board for District 10, & District (the "Act"), to determine ate penalties be Imposed, be held on Board, complainant, with the Bittiminous September 11, 1941, at 10 R. in. at a hear- Così Division alleging willful violation (a) whether or not W. H. Warner & Ing room of the Bituminous Coal Division by the defendant of the Bitumipous Coal Company, Inc., Registered Distributor. at the New Post Office Building, Room Code or rules and regulations thereunder: whose address is 570 Union Commerce 4083, Cleveland, Ohio, Bullding, Cleveland, Ohio, located in Dis- It " ordered, That a hearing in ne- It is further ordered, That W. A. Cuff or trict No. 4, has violated any provisions spect to the subject matter of such com- any other officer or officers of the Bitu- of the Act, the Marketing Rules and plaint be held on Beptember 5, 1941, at minotis Coal Division designated by the Regulations, the Rules and Regulations 10 R. m., at a hearing room of the Director thereof for that purpose shall Bituminous Coal Division Circuit Court for Registration of Distributors, and the preside at the hearing in such matter. Distributor's Agreement (the "Agree- Room, County Court House, Marton, The officer 80 designated to preside at ment"), executed July 20, 1939, by re- Illinois. such hearing is hereby authorised to con- spondent, purmant to Order of the Na- It is further ordered, That Charles a. tional Bituminous Coal Commission duct said hearing, to administer oatha Mitchell or any other officer or officers dated March 24," 1939, to General Docket and affirmations, examine witnesses, sub- of the Bituminous Coal Division desig- No. 12, which was adopted as an Order poena witnesses, compel their attendance. nated by the Director thereof for that of the Bituminous Coal Division, July 1, take evidence, require the production of purpose shall preside at the hearing to 1939, any books, papers, correspondence, mem- such matter. The officer 60 designated (b) whether or not the registration oranda or other records deemed relevant to preside at such hearing is hereby of said distributor should be revolced or or material to the Inquiry, to continue authorised to conduct said bearing. to suspended or other appropriate penalties said hearing from time to time and to administer gaths and alfirmations, ex- should be imposed: such places as he may direct by an- amine witnesses, subpoena witnesses, nouncement st said hearing or any ad- compel that attendance, take evidence, and for mid purposes gives notice that journed heartng or by subsequent notice, require the production of any books, of information in the possession of the and to prepare and submit to the Direc- Division la to the effect that: tor proposed Findings of Fact and Con- other records demmed relevant or male- papers. correspondence, memoranda 2. During the months of October, No- clusions and the recommendation of an del to the inquiry, to continue said hear vember and December, 1040, the re- appropriate order in the premises, and Ing from time to time, and to much please al spondent purchased large quantities of to perform all other dutins in connection M be may direct by announcement or 14" stock coal from Costanso Coal Min- therewith authorised by law, mid bearing or any adjurred heartus el the Company. Registered Instributor. al Notice of such hearing 1a hereby given to said respondent, and to all other par- submitt to the Director proposed the by subsequent notice, and 00 prepare prioss below the effective minimum prices Regraded Unclassified FEDERAL REGISTER, Friday, August 1. THE 3841 of fact and conclasions and the recorn- [Docket Wo, toga Instituted Pursuant to sections mendation of an appropriate order In Is TO MATTER OF CASTERVILLE COAL Com- 4. II ($) and 6 (b) of the Bituminous the premises, and to perform all other PARTY, DEFERMANT Coal Act of 1937, may file a petition for duties in connection therewith authorised NOTICE OF AND other FOR Intervention not later than five (5) days by law. Before the date herein set for hearing on Notice of ruch heartos is aereby given A completot dated April 24, 1941, pur- the complaint to said defendant and to all other parties suant to the provisions of sections 1 II (j) Notice Is hereby given that nuswer to herein and to all persons and entitles and 5 (b) of the Bituminous Coal Act of the complaint must be filed with the BI- having an interest in such proceeding. 1987, having been only filed on April 26, tuminous Coal Division at its Washing- Any person or entity eligible under 1941, by Bituminous Coal Producers ton office or with any one of the statisti- $301.123 of the Rules and Regulations Board for District 10. a District Board, cal bureaus of the Division, within twen- Governing Practice and Procedire Before complainant, with the Bituminous Coal ty (20) days after date of service the Bituminous Coal Division to Pro- Division alleging willful violation by the thereof on the defendant: and that any ceedings Instituted Pursuant to sections defendant of the Biluminous Coul Code defendant failing to file an answer with- 4 II (j) and 5 (b) of the Bituminous Cost or rules and regulations thereunder; in such period, unless the Director or the Act of 1937, may file 5 petition for Inter- If is ordered, That B hearing in respect presiding officer shall otherwise order, vention not later than five (6) days before to the subject matter of much complaint be shall be deemed to have admitted the the date herein set for hearing on the held DO September 5, 1941, at 10 a. m. at allegations of the complaint herein and complaint. B hearing room of the Bituminous Coal to have consented to the entry of an Notice is hereby given that answer to Division at the Circuit Court Room. appropriate order on the bairts of the the complaint must be filed with the County Court House, Marion, Illinois. facts alleged. Bituminous Coal Division at the Wash- It la further ordered, That Charles B. All persons are hereby notified that ingion office or with any one of the statis- Mitchell or any other officer or officers of the hearing in the above-entitled mat- tieal bureaus of the Division, within the Bituminous Coal Division designated ter and orders entered therein may COD- twenty (20) days after date of service by the Director thereof for that purpose cern, in addition to the matters specifi- thereof on the defendant: and that any shall preside at the hearing in such mat- cally alleged in the complaint herein, defendant failing to file an answer with- ter. The officer NO designated to preside other matters Incidental and related in such period, unless the Director or the at such bearing is hereby authorized to thereto, whether raised by amendment presiding officer shall otherwise order. conduct said heartng, to administer oaths of the complaint, petition for interven- shall be deemed to have admitted the and affirmations, examine witnesses. tion, or otherwise, and all persons are allegations of the complaint herein and to subpoena witnesses, compel their attend- cautioned to be guided accordingly. have consented to the entry of an appro- ance, take evidence, require the produc- The matter concerned herewith is in priate order on the basis of the facts tion of any books. papers, correspondence, regard to the complaint filed by said alleged. memoranda or other records deemed rele- complainant, alleging willful violation by All persons are hereby notified that the vant or material to the inquiry, to con- the above-named defendant of the Bi- hearing in the above-entitled matter and tinue said hearing from time to time, and tuminous Coal Code or rules and regula- orders entered therein may concern, in to such places as be may direct by an- tions thereunder as follows: addition to the matters specifically nouncement at said hearing or any ad- The defendant violated the effective alleged in the complaint herein, other journed hearing or by subsequent notice, minimum prices during the period sub- matters incidental and related thereto, and to prepare and submit to the Director sequent to September 30, 1940, by selling whether raised by amendment of the proposed Andings of Inct and conclusions to various purchasers in Carterville, IIII- complaint, petition for intervention, or and the recommendation of an appro- nots, 3" Lump coal produced at the mine otherwise, und all persons are ostioned priate order in the premises, and to per- of the defendant at the price of $3.00 to be guided accordingly. form all other duties in connection there- per ton f. 0. b. the mine, and by selling The matter concerned herewith is in with authorized by law. 3" I 1" coal produced at said mine at regard to the complaint filed by said com- Notice of such bearing is hereby given the price of $1,65 per too 1. 0. b. the mine, plainant, alleging willful violation by the to sald defendant and to all other parties whereas the effective minimum prices above-named defendant of the Bitumi- herein and to all persons and entitles for such coal were and are $2.15 per ton nous Coal Code or rules and regulations having an interest in such proceeding. Γ. o. b. the mine for 1" Lump coal and thereunder es follows: Any person or entity eligible under $1.80 per ton f. o. b. the mine for 2" I That defendent violated the Effective I 301.123 of the Rules and Regulations 14" coal. The sales so made in viola- Minimum Prices by selling and delivertng Governing Practice and Procedure Before tion of the effective minimum prices are to Ray Minter, on or about February 16, the Bituminous Coal Division in Proceed- as followe: 1941, approximately 6 toos of mine run coal produced at defendant's mine at the Amount Blue Price price of $1.50 per ton f. o. b. the mine, Date Purchase and by selling and delivering approxi- Pounde mately 12 tons of such coal on or about Oct. 6, 3/940 Bruper 12,725 any Lasmp. $12.73 February 20, 1941, at the price of €1.53 Nov. 1, 1940 0. MeNeti 1,000 27 TM" 3.00 per ton 1. o. b. the mine, wheress the Nov. 1940 L. Rusell 3,000 2" 716" 1.00 Jan. THI W.R. Croven 4,000 all Lamp 4.01 effective minimum price for such cost was 750. 30, 1941 L. C. Take 4,000 If Lump 4.00 and is $1.80 per ton Γ. o, b. the mins. The SI, 1941 Carterville Feed and Milling Co. 1,000 2" 2716 1.65 Dated: July 28. 1941. (SEAL) Dated: July 28, 1941. Dan H. Whenue, (STAL) DAN H. WHEELER, Acting Director. Acting Director. 12. R. Doe. 41-8800; Fürd, July 31, 1041; 10:08 & to.) D. B. Doc. 41-5561; Filed, July SL 1041: 10:00 a. g.) Regraded ssaz FEDERAL REGISTER, Friday, August 1, 1942 (Docket No. 1671-FD] registration of said distributor should 1937, having been fuly Ried on May 16, be revoked or suspended. BY other ap- Is THE MATTER OF FOREST CITY COAL 1041, by Bituminous Cost Producers propriate penalties be tanposed, be held COMPANY, REGISTRARD DISTRIBUTOS, Board for Protrict No. 11, a District on September 12. 1941 at 10 a. m. at REGISTRATION No. 3092. RESPONDENT Board, complainant. with the Disaminum a hearing room of the Billiminous Coal Coal Division alleging willful violation by NOTICE or AND ORDER FOR HEARING Division at the New Post Office Building. the defendant of the Biluminous Oal 1. The Bituminous Cont Division finds Room 4093, Cleveland, Ohio. Code or rules and regulations thereunder: 11. necessary, in the proper administra- It is further ordered, That W. & Cuff " is ordered, That a hearing In Tempecs tion of the Bituminous Coal Act of 1937 or any other officer or officers of the to the subject malter of such complaint Bituminous Coal Division designated by (the "Act"), to determine be held on September 24, 1941, at 10 & m the Director thereof for that purpose nt a hearing room of the Bituminous Coal (a) whether or not the Forest City shall preside at the hearing in such Division, the Post Office Building, Terre Coal Company, Registered Distributor, matter. The officer ao designated to Haute, Indiana. Registration No. 3092, whose address is preside at such heartng is hereby au- Rockefeller Building, Cleveland. Ohio, se to further ordered, That W. & Ship- thortzed to conduct said hearings, to man or any other officer or officers of the the respondent in the above-entitled administer oaths and amrmations, ex- Bituminous Coal Division designated by matter, has violated any provisions of amine witnesses, subpoens witnesses, the Director thereof for that purpose shall the Act, Marketing Rules and Regula- compel their attendance, take evidence, preside at the hearing in such matter. tions, the Rulee and Regulations for require the production of any books, The officer BO designated to preside at Registration of Distributors end the Dis- papera, correspondence, memoranda or such hearing to hereby authorized to tributor's Agreement (the "Agreement") other records deemed relevant or mate- duct said hearing, to administer onths executed April 25, 1939, by respondent, rial to the Inquiry. to continue sald and adirmations, examine witnesses, mib- pursuant to Order of the National Bitu- hearing from timé to time, and to such poena witnesses, compel their attendance, minous Coal Commission, dated March places AS he may direct by announce- take evidence, require the production of 24, 1939, in General Docket No. 12, which ment at said hearing or any adjourned any books, papers, correspondence, mem- was adopted as an Order of the Division hearing or by subsequent notice, and to orands or other records deemed relevant July 1, 1939; and prepare and submit to the Director or material to the Inquiry, to constitue (b) whether OF not the registration proposed findings of fact and conclu- said hearing from time to time, and le of said distributor should be revoked or alons and the recommendation of an much places as he may direct by 80)- supended or other appropriate penal- appropriate order in the premises, and nouncement at sald hearing or any ad- ties should be imposed; to perform all other dutles in connec- journed hearing or by mibecquent notice, and for said purposes gives notice that tion therewith authorized by law. and to prepare and submit to the Director information In the possession of the Notice of such hearing is hereby proposed findings of fact and conclusions (Division la to the effect that: given to said respondent, and to all and the recommendation of an appro- 2. On or about February 11, 1941. other parties herein and to all persons printe order in the premises, and to per- respondent purchased 54.20 tons of and entities having an interest in such form all other dutles in connection there- 114" X 5" egg industrial coal from In- proceeding, with authorized by law. distrial Coal 4: Iron Company, Pitts- Notice is hereby given that answer to Notice of such hearing is hereby given burgh, Pennsylvania, Mine No. 7-Apex, the charges alleged herein must be filed to said defendant and to all other parties Code member. District No. 4, and resold with the Bituminous Coal Division at herein and to all persons and entities hav- and delivered shid coal to United Milk its Washington Office or with any one ing an interest in such proceeding. Any Products Company of Cleveland, Ohio, of the statistical bureaus of the Division, person or entity eligible under 1 201.123 st its Kent, Ohio, plant. The respond- within twenty (20) days after date of of the Rules and Regulations Governing ent prepaid transportation charges on service thereof on the respondent; and Practice and Procedure Before the Bittl- said coal to said point of delivery. of that any respondent failing to file an minous Coal Division in Proceedings In- $73.71, and accepted discounts from the answer within such period. unless the stituted Pursuant to sections 4 II (1) and effective minimum prices for such coal, Director or the presiding officer shall 6. (b) of the Dituminous Coal Act of 1937, in violation of section 4 n (h) and sub- otherwise order, shall be deemed to have may file a petition for intervention not sections 3 and 6 of section 4 II (1) of the admitted the alleged charges and to have later than five (5) days before the date Act, Rule 1 (J) of section VII of the consented to the entry of an appropriate herein not for hearing on the complaint. Marketing Rules and Regulations and order on the basis of the facts alleged. paragraphs (c) and (e) of the Agree- All persons are hereby notified that Notice is hereby given that answer to ment. the hearing in the above-entilled matter the complaint must be filed with the DI- and orders entered therein may eoncern, tuminous Coal Division at Its Weshlog- 3. Between March 4 and March 20, in addition to the matters specifically ton office OF with any one of the statis- 1941, both dates inclusive, respondent alleged herein, other matters Incidental tical bureaus of the Division. within purchased # carloads of coal from In- dustrial Coal & Iron Company, Pittx- and related thereto, whether raised by twenty (20) days after date of pervice burgh, Pennsylvania, and other Code amendment, petition for intervention, thereof on the defendant: and that any members in District No, 4. and resold or otherwise, and all persons are cau- defendant failing to file an answer within and delivered said coal to United Milk tioned to be guided accordingly. such period, unless the Director or the Products Company of Cleveland, Ohio, Dated: July 25. 1941. preaiding offloer shall otherwise order. at the Kent. Ohio, plant. The respond- shall be deemed to have admitted the (REAL) DAN B. WHEELER, ent prepaid transportation charges on allegations of the complaint herein and Acting Director. such coal to said point of delivery, And to have commited to the entry of ARI RP" accepted discounts from the effective (F. a Doc. 41-5502; Filed, July 81, 1941: propriate order on the basts of the facts minimum prices for such coal In viola- 10:06 a. m.) alleged tion of section 4 II (h) and subsections All persons are hereber notified that the 3 and 6 of section 4 II (1) of the Act, hearing be The above-enillied matter and Rule 1 (J) of section VII of the Mar- [Docket No. 1780-7D] orders entered therein may concern in keting Rules and Regulations of para- IN THE MATTER OF Monage & CAMPRELL, A addition to the matters specifically al- graphs (c) and (c) of the Agreement. PARTNERSHIP, Code Massas, DEFENDANT leged lo the complaint herein. other male tens Incidental and related thereta It la therefore ordered, That & hear- NOTICE OF AND ORDER FOR HEARING whether rained by amendment of the me pursuant to 304.14 of the Rules and Regulations for the Registration of A complaint dated May 6, 1941, pursu- completent. patition for intervention, of Doll'ibutors, to determine Whether the ant to the provisions of sections 4 II (3) otherwise, anit all persons are cautinues and 5 (b) of the Eltumtuous Coal Ant of to Do gradited accordinals. Regraded Unclassified FEDERAL REGISTER, Friday, August 4. 1942 8543 The malter concerned nerswith to to recommendation of as appropriate order (1) and 5 (b) of the Biluminous Coal regard to the complaint filed DF mid in the promises. and to parform all other Act of 1937. having been duty filed on complainant, alleging willful violation by duties in connection therewith authorised May 16, 1941, by Bitumbous Coal Prom the above-named defendant of the IN- by law. ducers Board for District No. 11. & Dis- tuminous Coal Code or rules and regu- Notice of much bearing in hereby given trict Board, completent, with the Bla lations thereunder as follows: That rub- to said defendant and to all other par- tuminous Coal Division alleging willful sequent to October 1, 1940, the defend- time herein and to all persons and en- violation by the defendant of the Bity- ants violated the effective minimum titles having 68 Interest in euch pro- minous Coal Code or rules and regula- prices by selling to various purchasers coeding, Any person or entity eligible tions thereunder: Including W. H. Dean, Bullivan Cheese under - 301.123 of the Rules and Regula- It is ordered, That $ hearing in TO- Factory, Jesse Clark. and G. Weaver, on- Uons Governing Practice and Procedure spect. to the subject malter of such com- known quantities of lump coal produced Before the Bituminous Coal Division in plaint be held 00 September 5, 1941, at at the defendants' Rock Hollow Mine. Proceedings Instituted Pursuant to ano- 10 a. m., at & hearing room of the BILL- Mine Index No. 641, located in Sultiven Mous 4 II (j) and 5 (b) of the Bituminous minous Coal Division at the Commis- County, Indiana, at the price of $1.80 per Coal Act of 1937. may file a petition for aloners' Court Room, County Count ton: and by selling on January 30, 1041, Intervention not later than five (5) days House, Evansville, Indians. to Jim Unstead, Hymera, Indiana, at the before the date herein set for hearing on It is /urther ordered, That Charles 8. price of $1.80 per ton 1. o. b. the mine. the complaint. Mitchell or any other officer or officers 2,100 pounds of lump coal produced at Notice is hereby given that answer to of the Bituminous Coal Division desig- defendants' said mine and hauled to the the complaint must be filed with the Bl- nated by the Director thereof for that place of delivery by one James Small- tuminous Coal Division at its Washing- purpose shall preside at the hearing in wood, whereas the effective minimum ton office or with any one of the statists such matter. The officer ao designated prices for all atzes of lump coal produced eat bureaus of the Division, within twenty to preside at such hearing Le hereby nl the defendants' said mine are in excess (20) days after date of aervice thereof on authorized to conduct said hearing, to of $1.80 per ton. the defendant: and that any defendant administer ontha and affirmations, exam- Dated July 28, 1941. failing to file an answer within such the witnesses, subpoens witnesses, com- (SEAL) DAN H. WHEELER, period. unless the Director or the pre- pel their attendance, take evidence, re- Acting Director. siding officer shall otherwise order, shall quire the production of any books, pe- be deemed to have admitted the allega- pers, correspondence, memoranda or (F. n Doc. 41-5663; Filed, July $1, 1041; 10:08 & m.) tions of the complaint herein and to have other records deemed relevant or mate- consented to the entry or an appropriate rial to the inquiry. to continue said hear- order on the basis of the facts alleged. ing from time to time, and to such places [Docket No. 1758-FD] All persons are hereby notified that the 66 be may direct by announcement at hearing in the above-entitled matter and said hearing or any adjourned hearing IN THE MATTER OF McCanson Baos. COAT. orders entered therein may concern, In or by subsequent notice, and to prepare COMPANY, A PARTNERSHIP, DEFENDANT addition to the matters specifically al- and submit to the Director proposed find- NOTICE OF AND ORDER FOR HEARING leged in the complaint herein, other mat- loga of fact and conclusions and the rec- ters incidental and related thereto, ommendation of an appropriate order in A complaint dated May 6, 1941, pur- whether raised by amendment of the the premises, and to perform all other suant to the provisions of sections 4. II complaint, petition for intervention, or duties in connection therewith author- (j) and 5 (b) of the Bituminous Coal otherwise, and all persons are cautioned Ized by law. Act of 1937, having been duly filed on to be guided accordingly. Notice of such hearing is hereby given May 15. 1941, by Bituminous Coal Pro- The matter concerned herewith to to to said defendant and to all other parties ducers Board for District No. 11, 6 Dis- trict Board, complainant, with the regard to the complaint filed by said herein and to all persons and entities Bituminous Coal Division alleging willful complainant, alleging willful violation by having an interest In such proceeding. the above-named defendant of the BI- Any person or entity eligible under violation by the defendant of the Bitumi- tuminous Coal Code or rules and regula- I 301.123 of the Rules and Regulations nous Coal Code or rules and regulations thereunder; tions thereunder as follows: That the Governing Practice and Procedure Be- It is ordered, That 8. hearing in respect defendant during the period from March fore the Bituminous Coal Division in to the subject matter of such complaint 1, 1941 to March 25, 1941, violated the Proceedings Instituted Pursuant to sec- be held on September 24, 1941, at 10 N. m. effective minimum prices by selling an tions 4 II (j) and 5 (b) of the Bitumi- at a heartng room of the Bituminous unknown quantity of mine run coal and nots Coal Act of 1937, may file a Coal Division at the Post Office Building, 11/4" lump coal produced at the defend- petition for Intervention not later than ant's McCannon Mine, Mine Index No. five (5) days before the date herein set Terre Haute, Indiana. 1155, located in Sullivan County, Indi- for hearing on the complaint. " la further ordered, That W. A. Ship- aos, at the price of $1.50 per ton, f. 0, b. Notice Is hereby given that answer to man or any other officer or officers of the Bituminous Coal Division deitgnsted by the mine, whereas the effective minimum the complaint must be filed with the BIT the Director thereof for that purpose prices for such coal were and are $1.00 tuminous Coal Division at Its Washing- shall preside at the hearing in such name- per ton, t. o. b. the mine for mine run, (on office or with any one of the statistic ter, The officer so designated to preside and $2.20 per ton, 1. o, D. the mine for cal bureaus of the Division, within at such hearing is hereby authorized to 11/4" lump. twenty (20 days after date of service conduct said hearing, to administer Dated July 18, 1941. thereof on the defendant; and that any oaths and affirmations, examine wit- [SMAL] Date H. WHEELER, defendant failing to file AD answer within neases, subpoens witnesses, compel their Adding Director. such period, unless the Director or the attendance, take evidence, require the presiding officer shall otherwise order, IF. R Doe. 61-5004, Filed, any at, 1041: production of any books, papers, COTTO- shall be deemed to have admitted the 10:00 a a., spondence, memoranda or other records allegations of the complaint herein and deemed relevant or material to the In- to have consented to the entry of 40 quiry, to continue sald hearing from [Docket No. 170-FD) appropriate order on the beate of the time to time and to mode Diaces as be In THE MATTER OF ALLER PAYTON, facts afteged. may direct by announcement at said DEPENDARY All persons are hereby notified that hearing or any adjourved bearting in by the hearing in the above-entitled matter subsequens notice, and to prepare and MOTICE OF AND MATHER FOR BEARING and orders entered therein may concern, submit to the Director proposed find- A complaint dated May e, 1941, pur- in addition as the matters specifically mgs of Inct and conditions and the suant to the provisions of sections a R alleged to the complaint herein, other 8814 FEDERAL REGISTER, Friday, August 1. 1941 matters incidental and related thereto, production of any books, papers, corre- Prices for District No. 11 for Trunk whether raised by amendment of the spondence, memorands or other records ments; and complaint. petition for Interrention, or deemed relevant or material to the In- otherwise, and all persons are cautioned quiry, to continue said hearing from the Action Director. No. 298, dated That defendent violated the Order to be guided accordingly. time to time. and to such places as he tember 22, 1940 and the Order of The matter concerned herewith 15 in may direct by announcement at suid hearing or any adjourned hearing or by Director, No. 297, dated October 23, IMA be regard to the complaint filed by said complainant, alleging willful violation by subsequent notice, and to prepare and by failing to maintain and file 4d and No. 807 dated December 11, IM#, the above-named defendant of the Bitt:- submit to the Director proposed findings of fact and conclusions and the recom- records as were and are required thereby. minous Coal Code or rules and regula- Dated July 28, 1041. tions thereunder as follows: That during mendation of an appropriate order in the (SMAL) premises, and to perform all other duttes Day H. WHELLES, the period, January 28, 1941, to February 17, 1941, defendant sold and delivered in connection therewith authorized by Acting Director. to various purchasers, coal produced by law. (P. 15. Doc. 63-8558 Piled, July 8), 1941; him at his Payton Mine, Mine Index No. Notice of such hearing la hereby given 10:07 a. m.) 921, located in Warrick County, Indiana, to suid defendant and to all other par- in District No. 11, at prices below the ties herein and to all persons and entitles having an interest in such proceeding. [Docket No 1781-FD) effective minimum prices established for such coal, as contained in the Schedule Any person or entity eligible under In THE MATTER OF MELVIN FORTER of Effective Minimum Prices for District 1 301.123 of the Rules and Regulations DEPENDANT No. 11 for Truck Shipments, as follows: Governing Practice and Procedure Be- fore the Bituminous Coal Division in Pro- NOTICE OF aoro ORDER FOR HEARING ceedings Instituted Pursuant to sections A complaint dated May 13, 1941, pur- Effec- give 4 II (j) and 5 (b) of the Bituminous suant to the provisions of sections 1 II Amount Bine Blas Belling Mini- In taxas price Coal Act of 1937, may file & petition for group (j) and 5 (b) of the Bituminous Coal Act musi prire intervention not later than five (5) days of 1937, having been duly filed on May before the date herein set for hearing 28, 1941, by Bituminous Coal Products IN OT 2º lamp 4 $2.20 $2.30 on the complaint. Board for District No. 11, a District 192 14 #: 1" nul A 1.70 1.85 36.12 1" e advention 1.875 1.40 Notice is hereby given that answer to Board, complainant, with the Bitamings = 21.76 Mine run T 1:75 1.00 the complaint must be filed with the Bi- Coal Division alleging willful Violation by 2. Missi FUS 7 1:625 1.80 tuminous Coal Division at Its Washing- the defendant of the Bituminous Coll ton office or with any one of the statis- Code or rules and regulations thereunder; Dated July 20, 1941. tical bureaus of the Division, within IT is ordered, That 5. hearing to respect (REAL) Dan H. WHEELED, twenty (20) days after date of service to the subject matter of such complaint Acting Director. thereof on the defendant; and that any be held on September 29, 1941, at 10 a. n. defendant falling to file an answer within at $ hearing room of the Bituminous Coal (7. R. DX #1-5500; Plod, July IL, 1041: such period. unless the Director or the Division at the County Court House 10:07 s. a) presiding officer shall otherwise order, Shoats, Indians. shall be deemed to have admitted the It is further ordered, That W. A. Ship- allegations of the complaint herein and man or any other officer or officers of the (Docket No. 1750-FD] to have consented to the entry of an AD+ Dituminous Coal Division designated to In THE MATTER OF HARVEY W. WHALEY, propriate order on the basis of the facts the Director thereof for that purpose shall DEFINDANT alleged. preside at the hearing in such matter. The officer so designated to preside at NOTICE OF AND ORDER FOR HEARING All persons are hereby notified that the hearing In the above-entitled matter such hearing is bereby authorized to on- A complaint dated May 13, 1941, pur- duct said hearing, to administer calls and orders entered therein may concern, mint to the provisions of sections 4 II (j) and affirmations. examine witnesses, sub- in addition to the matters specifically and a (b) of the Bituminous Coal Act of poena witnesses, compel their attendance, alleged in the complaint herein, other 1957, having been duly filed on May 20, take evidence, require the production of matters Incidental and related thereto, 1041, by Bituminous Coal Producers any books, papers, correspondence, whether raised by amendment of the Hoard for District No. 11, B. District memoranda or other records deemed rele- complaint, petition for intervention, or Board. complainant, with the Bitumi- vant or material to the inquiry, to or otherwise, and all persons are cautioned nous Coal Division alleging willful viola- tinue sald hearing from time to time, to be guided accordingly. tion by the defendant of the Bituminous and to such places as he may direct by Coal Code or rules and regulations there- The matter concerned herewith La in announcement at said hearing or any under; regard to the complaint filed by sald Adjourned hearing or by subsequent no- If do ordered, That & hearing in re- complainant, alleging willful violation tice. and to prepare and submit to the by the above-named defendant of the spect to the subject matter of such com- Director proposed findings of fact and Bituminous Coal Code or rules and res- conclusions and the recommendation of plaint be held on September 29, 1941, at 10 a. m. at a hearing room of the ulations thereunder B5 follows: That an appropriate order in the premises. and Bituminous Coal Division at the County since October 1, 1940, defendant sold to to perform all other duties in connection Court House, Shoals, Indiana. various purchasers, including Roy Purk- therewith authorized by law. hiser, an undetermined amount of Notice of such hearing la hereby given It is further ordered, That W. A Ship- 11/2" X 0 and 11/4" X 0 screenings coal, to said defendant and to all other parties man or any other officer or officers of the Stae Group No. 14. produced at his berein and to all persons and entitles Bituminous Coal Division designated by Wraley Mine, Mine Index No. 435, 10- having an Interest in such proceering. the Director thereof for that purpose cated In Martin County, Indiana, in Any person or entity eligible under shall preside at the hearing in such mat- District No. 11, at a price of 60e Der 1.301.123 of the Rules and Regulations ter. The officer 80 designated to preside ton, 1. o. b. the mine, whereas the effec- Governing Practice and Procedure Before at such hearing is hereby authorised to Live minimum price established for such the Rituminous Coal Division in Proceed- II conduct said hearing, to administer 11/2" K 0 and 11/4" M 0 screenings coal, Inp Instituted Pursuant to sections Coal ( oaths and affirmations, examine with news, subpoena witness compel their Blae Group No. 14, was and is $1.58 per Act of 1937, may file a petition for Inter ($) and 5 (b) of the Bituminous attendance, take svidence. require the not ton, f. o, b. the mine, as contained in the Elchedule of Effective Minimum veniton not later than five (8) on Regraded Unclassified FEDERAL REGISTER, Friday, August s. INI 5645 fore the date nerein set for bearing on entrious Coal Division alleging willful via- lation by the defendiant of the plainant. alleging willing violation by due the complaint. above-named defendant of the INturni- Notice le hereby given. that answer to DOOR Coal Code or rules and resulations Unwerunder: Dous Coal Code or rules and regulations the complaint must be filed with the BI- thersunder as follows: (uminous Coal Division al its Washington It a ordered, That - bearing If: re- office or with any one of the statistical spect to the subject matter of such com- That since October 1, 1940, defendant bureaus of the Division. within twenty plaint be held on September 26, 1941, at sold to various purchasers, including Alva (20) days after date of service thereof on 10 a. m., at & hearing room of the BI- Curtis, AD undetermined amount of the defendant; and that any defendant tuminous Coal Division at the County %" X 0 screenings coal, Blue Group No. failing to file an answer within such Court House, Bhouls, Indiana. 16. produced at its Kieffner Mine, Mine period. unless the Director or the presid- It is further ordered, That W. A Ship- Index No. 312, located in Dubots County, IDE officer shall otherwise order, shall be man or any other officer or officers of Indiana, in District No. 11, which actually deemed to have admitted the allegations the Bituminous Coal Division designated contained 11/4" X 76" over-stae coal. Blue of the complaint herein and to have by the Director thereof for that purpose Group No. 10. at a price of B5e per ton, consented to the entry of an appropriate shall preside at the hearing in such mat- t. o. b. the mine, whereas the effective order on the basis of the facts alleged. ter. The officer so designated to preside minimum price established for such o(s) All persons are hereby notified that at such hearing is hereby authorized to was and is $1.70 per net ton, f. 0. b. the the hearing in the above-entitied matter conduct said hearing, to administer mine, as contained in the Schedule of Effective Minimum Prices for District No. and orders entered therein may concern, oaths and affirmations, examine wit- In addition to the matters specifically nesses, subpoena witnesses, compel their 11 for Truck Shipments: and alleged in the complaint herein, other attendance, take evidance, require the That subsequent to September 30, 1940. matters Incidental and related thereto, production of any books, papers, corre- defendant violated paragraph 8 of abc- whether raised by amendment of the spondence, memorands or other records tion 4 II (1) of the Act, and Rule 8 of complaint. petition for intervention, or deemed relevant or material to the In- section xin of the Marketing Rules and otherwise, and all persons are cautioned quiry, to continue said hearing from Regulations by Invoicing and selling the to be guided accordingly. time to time, and to such places M be aforesaid coal as %" C o screenings cost, The matter concerned herewith is in may direct by announcement at sald Dated: July 28, 1941. regard to the complaint filed by said hearing or any adjourned hearing or by (GRAL) DAN H. WHERLER, complainant, alleging willful violation by subsequent notice, and to prepare and Acting Director the above-named defendant of the Bi- submit to the Director proposed findings tuminous Coal Code or rules and regula- of fact and conclusions and the recome- 17. n. Doc. 41-0000; Flied, July 31, INI: 10:07 a. m.) tions thereunder as follows: mendation of an appropriate order in That since October 1, 1940, defendant the premises, and to perform all other duties In connection therewith author- has sold to various purchasers, Including ized by law. (Docket No. 1754-FD] Cecll Elliot and Alva Curtis, AD unde- Notice of such hearing la hereby given Im THE MATTER OF CHESTER TROROW, termined amount of coal of unknown size, to said defendant and to all other par- DEFENDANT produced at his Poster Mine. Mine Index No. 509, located in Perry County, Indiana, ties herein and to all persons and en- NOTICE OF AND ORDER FOR FIRARING titles having an Interest in such proceed- in District No. 11, at & price of 40Γ per ing. Any person or entity eligible under A complaint dated May 13, 1941, pur- ton, f. o. b. the mine, whereas the effec- tive minimum prices established for the 5 301.123 of the Rules and Regulations suant to the provisions of sections 4 II Governing Practice and Procedure Be- (p and & (b) of the Bituminous Coal coal produced by the Fonter Mine range fore the Bituminous Coal Division in Act of 1937, having been duly filed on from $2.50 per net ton, f. 0, b. the mine Proceedings Instituted Pursuant to sec- May 28, 1941, by Bituminous Coal Frû= for Blze Group No. 1, to 55e per net ton, tions 4 II (1) and 5 (b) of the Bituminous ducers Board for District No. 11, & Dis- f. o. b. the mine, for Blae Group No. 16, Coal Act of 1937, may file a petition for trict Board, complainant, with the Bitu- as contained in the Schedule of Effective intervention not later than five (5) days minous Coal Division alleging willful Minimum Prices for District No. 11 for before the date berein set for hearing on violation by the defendant of the Bitu- Truck Shipments; and the complaint minous Coal Code of rules and regula- That defendant violated the Order of Notice is hereby given that answer to (lons thereunder: the Acting Director, No. 296, dated Sep- the complaint must be filed with the BI- It is ordered, That a. hearing in re- tember 23. 1940, and the Ordere of the tuminous Coal Division at its Washing- spect to the subject matter of such eom- Director, No. 297, dated October 22, 1940, ton office or with any one of the statis- plaint be held on September 29, 1941, at and No. 307, dated December 11, 1940, by failing to maintain and file such rec- tical bureaus of the Division, within 10 a. m., at a hearing room of the 191- ords as were and are required thereby. twenty (20) days after date of service tuminous Coal Division, the County thereof on the defendant; and that any Court House, Shoals, Indians Dated July 28, 1941. defendant failing to file an answer within It is further ordered, That W. A. Ship- (REAL) DAM H. WHERLER. such period, unless the Director or the man or any other officer or officers of Actina Director. presiding officer shall otherwise order, the Bituminous Coal Division designated shall be deemed to have admitted the by the Director thereof for that purpose 10. 11. Doe. 41-5007; Flied, July 11, 1941; 10:07 a ot.) allegations of the complaint herein and shall preside at the hearing in such mat- to have consented to the entry of AD AD- ter. The officer so designated to preside proprinte order on the basis of the facts at such hearing is hereby authorised to alleged. conduct said hearing, to administer oaths (Docket No. 1757-FU] All persons are bereby notified that the and amrmations, examine witnesses, IN THE MATTER OF Кати Cost. Com- hearing in the above-sutitled matter and subpoena witnesses, compel their attend- FAMY, A PARTNERSHIP, DEPENDANT orders entered therein may concern, to ance, take evidence, require the produc- addition to the matters specifically al- tion of any books, papers, correspond- NOTICE OF ADD DEDES FOR HEARTHON legnd in the complaint herein, other mat- ence, memorands or other records A complaint dated May 14, 1041, pur- lets Incidental and related thereto, deemed relevant or material to the to- mant to the provisions of sections 4 II whether reland by amendment of the quiry, to continue said hearing from time (1) and 0 (b) of the Bituminous Coal complaint. potition for Intervention, or to time, and to such places as he may AM of 1937, having been any filed on otherwise, and all persons are cautioned direct by announcement at said hearing May 28. 1941, by Bitumbous Coal Pro- to be guided accordingly. or any adjourned besting or by subme- ducers Board for District No. 11, s Dis- The matter concerned herewith to in quent notice, and to prepare and subroit trict Board, complainant, with the Bittle regard to the complaint filed W said com- 8 the Director proposed Audings of ad Regraded Unclassified 3846 FEDERAL REGISTER, Friday, August 1, 1947 and conclusions and the recommends- (Docket No. A-099) Chereto, which may be raised by among. term necessarily Incidental and related Bon of an appropriate order to the PXTITION OF THE BITUMINOUS COAL Com- premises, and to perform all other duties SUMERS' COUNSEL FOR A CHANGE DI THE ment to the petition. petitions of Inter- In connection therewith authorised by BOUNDARY LINES or MARKET AREAS 26 venera or otherwise, OF which may be law. AND 30, AND AMENDMENT or PRICE R- necessary corollaries to the rellef. If any, Notice of such heartng is hereby given CEPTION 4 on PAGE 40 or THE SCHEDULE granted on the basis of this pelition. to said defendant and to all other par- OF EFFECTIVE MINIMUM PRICES FOR DIS- The matter concerned herewith is to ties herein and to all persons and mtitles TRICT No. B. FOR ALL SHIPMENTS Ex- regard to the petition of the Bituminess having AD Interest in such proceeding. CEPT TRUCK. on, TM THE ALTERNATIVE Coal Consumers' Counsel for an order Any person or entity eligible under FOR F. A. 6. PRICES PROM DISTRICT No. extending the boundary of Market Area 301.123 of the Rules and Regulations 8 FOR THE KIEWER PAPER MILLS, No. 26 westward along the B & o Rajt. Governing Practice and Procedure Before BROWNSTOWN, INDIANA, IN MARKET way to include Brownstown and Val- the Bituminous Coal Division in Proceed- AREA 30 lonia, Indiana, or, in the alternative. Ings Instituted Pursuant to sections 4 NOTICE OF AND ORDER FOR HEARING extending said boundary to include II (5) and 5 (b) of the Bituminous Coal Brownstown, Indiana; and that Price Act of 1937. may file a petition for inter- A petition. pursuant to the Bituminous Exception 4 on page 40 of the Schedule sention not later than five (6) days be- Coal Act of 1937, having been duly filed of Effective Minimum Prices for District fore the date herein net for hearing on with this Division by the above-named No. 8 for All Shipments Except Truck the complaint, party: be amended to apply to shipments la Notice M hereby given that answer It is ordered, That a hearing in the Brownstown, Indiana, In the alterna- to the complaint must be filed with the above-entilled matter under the appli- tive, the petition prays that the present Situminous Coal Division nt 92a Washing- eable provisions of said Act and the rules Schedule of Effective Minimum Prices ton office or with any one of the statisti- of the Division be held on August 25, for District No. 8 for All Shipments Ex- cal bureaus of the Division. within 1041, at 10 o'clock in the forenoon of cept Truck be modified to permit code twenty (20) days after date of service that day, at a hearing room of the Bl- members in District No. 8 to well to the thereof on the defendant; and that any tuminous Coal Division, 734 Fifteenth Kieffer Puper Mills, Brownstown, Indi- defendant failing to file an answer within Street NW., Washington, D. C. On such ana, in Market Area 30, at the minimum such period. unless the Director or the day the Chief of the Records Section in prices established for I, a. R. dulivery, presiding officer shall otherwise order, room 502 will advise as to the room Dated July 20. 1941. shall be deemed to have admitted the al- where such hearing will be held. (BRAL) DAX H. Wassian. legations of the complaint herein and to have consented to the entry of an It is further ordered, That Charles O. Acting Director, appropriate order on the basis of the Powler or any other offlcer or officers (P. R. Doc. Flient July 01, 1941: facts alleged. of the Division duly designated for that 10:08 8. ml purpose shall preside at the hearing in All persons are hereby notified that such matter. The officers so designated the hearing in the above-entitled matter and orders entered therein may concern, to preside at such hearing are hereby (General Docket No 12) in addition to the matters specifically al- authorized to conduct said hearing, to IN THE MATTER OF PRESCRIBING DUE AND leged in the complaint herein, other mat- administer oaths and affirmations, ex- REASONABLE Messum DISCOUNTS on term incidental and related thereto, amine witnesses, subpoens witnesses, PAICE ALLOWANCES BY Code MEMBERS whether relaed by admendment of the compel their attendance, take evidence, TO "DISTRIBUTORS" UNDER SECTION 4 complaint, petition for intervention, or require the production of any books, PART II (h) OF THE BITUMINOUS COAL otherwise, and all persons are cautioned papers, correspondence, memoranda, or ACT or 1937, AND ESTABLISHING RULES to be suided accordingly. other records deemed relevant or mate- AND REGULATIONS FOR THE MAINTENANCE The matter concerned herewith to in rial to the foquiry, to continue said AND OBSERVANCE BY DISTRIBUTORS IN regard to the complaint filed by seld com- hearing from time to time, and to pre- THE RESALE OF COAL, OF THE Parces plainant. alleging willful violation by the pare and submit to the Director proposed AND MARKETING RULES AND REGULA- above-named defendant of the Bitumi- Endings of fact and conclusions and the TIONS PROVIDED BY SECTION 4. OF THE nous Coal Code or rules and regulations recommendation of an appropriate order Act; AND IN RE PETITION OF BITUMISOUS thereunder as follows: That during the In the premises, and to perform all other Coal PRODUCERS BOARD FOR Distater months of January, 1941 and February, duties in connection therewith author- No. 10, FOR ORDER MODIFYING SCHEDULE 1941, defendant sold and delivered to ined by law. OF MAXIMUM DISCOUNTS THAT MAY Be various purchasers, including W, H. Purk- Notice of such heartng is hereby given ALLOWED TO REGISTERED DISTRIBUTORS hiser, approximately 36 lons of 11/2" 1" to all parties herein and to persons or ON COAL OF DISTRICT No. 10 MINE nut coal at & price of $1.65 per ton Γ. 0, b. entilles having an interest in these pro- RESOLD TO THE WABASH PAILWAY the mine, and approximately 50 tons of ceedings and eligible to become a party COMPANY 1" I o screenings eoal, nt & price of 60g herein. Any person desiring to be ad- mitted M a party to this proceeding may ORDME OF PONTPONEMENT OF HEARTHO ENT ton f. D. b. the mine, produced ni his Chester Tedrow Mine, Mine Index No, file a petition of intervention to Accord- The American Coal Distributors Asso- 433. located in Martin County, Indiana, ance with the rules and regulations of clation, on July 26, 1941, having mored in District No. 11, whereas the effective the Bituminous Coal Division for pro- that the hearing in the above-entitles minimum prices established for such coal ceedings Instituted pursuant to section matter, ant. for August 4. 1941. be post- were and are $1.05 per net ton Γ. D. b. the 4 II (d) of the Act. setting forth the facts poned to a date not earlier than August mine, for the 11/6" x 1" nut coal and on the bants of which the relief in the 26. 1941. representing that its particl- $1.55 ner net ton f. o, b. the mine for the original pelition la supported or opposed pation in the proceedings in General 1" o screenings coal, M contained in the or on the basis of which other relief is Docket No. 21 precludes it "from fairly Schedule of Effective Minimum Prices for eought. Buch petitions of intervention and properly devoting adequate time District No. 11 for truck shipments shall be filed with the Bituminous Coal now In the preparation of jra case in Dated July 28, 1941 Division on or before August 19, 1941. the above-entitled matter." and that the (HEAL) DAN H. All persons are hereby notified that Petitioner herein. District Board No. 19. Actime Director. the hearing in the above-entitled matter concure in the said Motion for a post- and any orders entered therein, may con- ponement, and IF a Dic #1-5669; Filed, July 01. 1941) cern, In addition to the matters specifi- It appeacing that the Movant. as well 10:07 m.] cally alleged in the petition, other mai- as other parties having an interest in Regraded Unclassified FEDERAL REGISTER, Friday, August 1, 1941 3847 the subject matter of this hearing. are of fact and conclusions and the recom- of price classifications and minimum progred in the proceedings ID General mendation of BO appropriate order in pricess for all shipments except truck and Docket No. 21. and good cause having the premium, end to perform all other for truck shipments of coals to be Die- duties in connection therewith author- been shown. duced al the Swanton No. 1 mine (Mins If (A ordered, That the hearing in the tred by law. Index No. 837) of the Swanton Big Vein above-entitled matter. originally set for Notice of such hearing is hereby given Coal Company, Ausust 4. 1941, at 10:00 B. m. In a hear- to all parties herein and to persons or All persons are hereby notified that the ine nom of the Division in Washington. entities having en Interest In this pro- hearing in the above-entitled matter and D C., be and the same la hereby post- ceeding and eligible to become parties any orders therein may concern. in nd- petied to August 26, 1941. at the same herein. Any person desiring to be nd- dition to the matters specifically alleged place and hour. mitted as a party to this proceeding may in the petition, other matters necessarily Dated July 30. 1941. file a petition of intervention in accord- incidental and related thereto, which H. A. GRAY, ance with the rules and regulations of ISEALI may be rained by amendment of the orig- Director. the Bituminous Coal Division for pro- Inst petition, petitions of Interveners, or ceedings instituted pursuant to section otherwise. or which may be necessary 12. E. 1300. 41-5571: Filed. July BL. 1941: 4 II (d) of the Act. setting forth the 10:08 n. m.) corollaries to the relief. If any. granted facts on the basis of which the relief on the basis of anid original petition in the original petition la supported or It is further ordered, That, a reason- opposed or on the basis of which other Dochal No. A-004) able showing of the necessity therefor relief is sought. Such petitions of in- having been made, pending final dispost- PETITION OF SWANTON Big VEIN COAL Com- tervention shall be filed with the Bitti- tion of the petition in the above-entitled PANY, A CODE MEMBER IN DISTRICT No. 1 minous Coal Division on or before All- matter, temporary relief is granted as FOR THE ESTABLISHMENT OF Price CLASSI- gust 25, 1941. follows: Commencing forthwith, the FICATIONS AND MINIMUM PRICES FOR The matter concerned herewith in in Schedule of Effective Minimum Prices for Coms OF THE SWANTON No. 1 MINE regard to the petition of the Swanton District No. 1 for All Shipments Except (MINE INDEX No. 837) OF THE SWANTON Big Vein Coal Company, a code member Truck, is temporarily amended by adding Bro VITN Cost. COMPANY In District No. 1, for the establishment thereto the following: NOTICE OF AND ORDER FOR HEARING AND ORDER GRANTING TEMPORARY RELIEF Mine Hob- Freght AB original petition and amendment Index Code member Mine name dist. Seam origin I , , - - No. No. ETTATED thereto, pursuant to section 4 II (d) of No the Bituminous Coal Act of 1937, having been duly filed with this Division by the EX7 Bwanton Blg Vein Coal Com- Beranton n 44 Blu Your 104 D 0 n D El above-named party requesting the estab- pany, n/o R. c. Clark. lishment of both temporary and perma- nent price classifications and minimum Commencing forthwith, the Schedule of Effective Minimum Prices for District No. 1 prices for coals to be produced at the for Truck Shipments is temporarily amended by adding thereto the following: Swanton No. 1 mine (Mine Index No. 837) of the petitioner: and Mins Gub- District Board No. 1 having filed a Code mamier indos Mine name diss. Country 1 1 ( 4 I petition for leave to Intervene In the No. Nn. above-entilled proceeding and an answer Swantoon Dig Valin Cost EDT Swanton fl 44 Garrett File Vela 2M 240. 230 20 THE to the aforesaid petition; Company, e/o R.C Clark Now, therefore, (I is ordered. That a hearing in the above-entitled matter be held. under the applicable provisions of Notice is hereby given that applications visions of sections 4 II (j) and 5 (b) of said Act and the rules and regulations of to: stay, terminate or modify the tem- the Bituminous Coal Act of 1937 (the the Division, on August 29, 1041, at 10 porary relief herein granted may be filed "Act") by the Billiminous Coal Pro- o'elock a. m. (eastern standard time) in a pursuant to the rules and regulations ducers Board for District No. 8. com- hearing room of the Bituminous Coal governing practice and procedure before plainant, alleging that P.B. Pry, the de- Division, 734 15th Street NW., Washing- the Bituminous Coal Division in proceed- fendant herein. willfully violated the ton, D. C. On such day the Chief of the Ings instituted pursuant to Section provisions of the Bituminous Cosl Code Records Section in Room 502 will advise 4 II (d) of the Bituminous Coal Act of (the "Code") and the effective minimum MR to the room in which such hearing 1937. prices, by selling. delivering and offering will be held. Dated July 30, 1941, to sell four (4) tons or more of 2" = 9/4" " is further ordered, That Joseph A. stoker (Size Group 5) coal on February (SEAL) B. A. GRAY, Huston or any other officer or officers Director 12. 1941, produced by the defendant at of the Division duly designated for that its Fry Mine, Mine Index No. 2921, lo- purpose shall preside at the hearing 17. B. Doc. a1-6572: Filed, July 31, 1941: cated nt or near Wayne County, West in such matter. The officers 50 desig- 10:00 L. m.) Virginia. in District No. e. to Charley nated to preside at such hearing are Short and Cecil Brown, truckers of coal hereby authorized to conduct said hear- [Docket No. 1639-FD] at a price of $1.00 per net ton f. O. b. mg, to administer oaths and affirma- truck transportation facilities at isld tions, examine witnesses, compel their IN THE MATTER OF P. B. Fay, CODE MEM- attendance, take evidence, require the mine, whereas the effective minimum BER, DEFENDANT production of any books, papers, corre- price for such cont was $1.85 per net ton spondence, memoranda, or other rec- CEASE AND DEBIST ORDER 1. 0. b. transportation facilities at said ords deemed relevant or material to the A complaint. dated March 28. 1941, in mine: and the complaint herein and no- inquiry, to continue said hearing from the above-entitled matter, having been tice of and order for hearing thereon time to time, and to prepare and sub- filed with the Bituminous Cont Division having been duly served on the defend- mit to the Director proposed findings (the "Division") pursuant to the pro- ant on April 21, 1941; and No.140 Regraded Unclassified 3818 FEDERAL REGISTER, Friday, August 1. THE The defendant, by stipulation mude [Docket No. A-023) Prices for Diatrict 10 for All in the Schedule of Rffective Minimum July 2, 1941. 5 true copy of which 16 on PETITION OF DISTRICT BOARD No. 7 FOR file herein, having admitted the truth REDUCTION DI THE MINIMUM Parcas FOR Crospt Truck Petitioners week author. of the allegations contained in the com- Low VOLATILE RUN or MINE Cost Pro- ity to soll cost produced as their mins plaint herein and the facts set out in DUCED IN DISTRICTS Nos. 7 AND 8, WHEN in District No. 10 to retail dealers la the said stipulation and having consented to SHIPPED FOR Ort-Lane RAILWAY Loco- efties of Minneapolis and Bl, Paul, Minner the making and entry of this order: MOTIVE FUEL, EXCEPT VIA TOEWATER nota, for delivery to or over the municipal It 14 hereby found That: ORDER OF THE ACTINO DIRECTOR DENTING docto there, as cabinium 1. o, b. the 1. On June 13. 1940, the defendant RELIEF prices for t. a a delivery, and for 9a- oral relief. filed with the Division his acceptance dated June 12, 1940, of the Code. Bald Petition having been filed with the BI- Franklin County Doal Corporation, C&g acceptance was approved by the Division tuminous Coal Division pursuant to sec- Ben Coal Corporation. Bell & Zoller Coll to take effect as of June 13, 1940. The tion 4 II (d) of the Bijuminous Coal Act and Mining Company, Chicago, Wilming- defendant has been since June 13, 1940, of 1937 seeking & reduction in the off-line ton a Franklin Coal Company, Probody and is now a. code member In District railway locomotive fuel price of District Coal Company and Wasson Coal Com- 7 and 8 low volatile run of mine coals, pany ("Flanklin County Coal Corporation No. 0. 2. The defendant wilfully violated the except via tidewater; et als."), code members in District No, 10, provisions of the Code and the effective Petitions of intervention having been intervened in support of the petition and minimum prices established by the Div)- filed by District Boards 1 and 2; oak the anone missure of relief as may A hearing having been held in this be granted to original petitioners, The sion by offering to sell, selling and de- livering four (4) tons or more of matter on February 6, 1941, pursuant to City of Minnespolis, & political subdivi- 2" x 1/4" stoker (Bise Group 5) coal an Order of the Director, before a duly alon of the Blate of Minnesota, Inter- on February 12, 1941, produced by the designated examiner of the Division, at a vened in support of the original petition. defendant at his Fry Mine, Mine Index hearing room of the Division In Wash- District Boards 7 and 11 intervened in No. 2921, located at or near Wayne ington, D. C., at which all interested per- opposition to the requested relief and sons were afforded an opportunity to be District Board 11 moved to dismiss the County, West Virginia, to Charley Short present, adduce evidence, and otherwise original petition, which motion was de- and Cecil Brown, truckers of coal, at 8 price of $1.00 per net ton f. o. b. truck be heard; nied by the Director, District Boards 1 transportation facilities at said mine. The preparation and filing of a report 6, and 10 and Carter Coal Company, . The effective minimum price established by the Examiner having been waived and code member in District 7, intervened for such coal was $1.65 per net ton 1. 0. b. the record thereupon having been sub- generally, and Consumers' Counse] Divi- said transportation facilities at said mitted to the Acting Director; aton (now Office of the Bituminous Cost mine. The Acting Director having made Consumers' Counsel) filed a notice of Findings of Fact and Conclusions of Law appearatiée, Now, therefore. based upon the above and having rendered an Opinion, which A hearing was held on May 27, 28 and findings and the defendant's above are filed herewith: 29, 1941, and on May 29 was continued stipulation: Now, therefore, # la ordered, That the until July 15, 1941. The hearing resumed It de ordered, That the defendant, his prayers for relief contained in the peti- on that date and was concluded on July representatives, agents, servants, em- tion herein be, and are hereby, denied. 22. 1941. Appearances were noted for ployees and attorneys and all persons Dated July 28, 1941. original petitionera, Consumers' Counsel acting or claiming to act in his behalf or interest, cease and desist and they [REAL] Dan 8. WHEELED, and all interveners and Carter Coal Com- hereby are permanently enjoined and Acting Director. paus. District Board 8 appeared and participated but did not intervene. restrained from violating the Code and 19. R. Doc. 41-5874; Filed, July St, 1941; On May 29, 1941, during the course of the effective minimum prices established 10:09 a. m.j the hearing, petitioners filed a motion for by the Division: leave to amend their original petition, in It is purther ordered, That the Divi- order more clearly to define the issues nion, in Its discretion, may apply to the (Docket No. A-780] Involved, by requesting as alternative re- Circuit Court of Appeals of the United PETITION OF DELTA MININO COMPANY, Def (If section 3 (A) of the Special River States within any circuit where such de- BABARA COAL COMPANY AND THE UNITED Price Instructions and Exceptions, Sched- fendant resides and carries on business ELECTRIC COAL COMPANIES, CODE MrM- ale of Effective Minimum Prices for Dis- for the enforcement hereof: and SER PRODUCERS IN Distract No. 10, FOR trict No. 10, should be construed as being It is further ordered, That this order MINIMUM F. O. B. MINE PRICES FOR tospplicable) the establishment of Just shall not constitute a waiver by or on F. A. 8, DELIVERY FROM DISTRICT No. and equitable prices under section 4 II (d) behalf of any person entitled to file a 10 TO RETAIL DEALERS AT MINNEAPOLIS of the Bltumfoous Coal Act of 1037. Dis- complaint under sections 4 II (1) and AND Br. PAUL, PURSUANT to SECTION a trict Board 7 filed & reply in opposition. 8 (b) of the Act, or either of them, or of (A), SPECIAL RIVER PRICE INSTRUCTIONS On June 17, 1941, the Director granted any right which they or any of them or AND EXCEPTIONS, SCHEDULE or Erro- leave 80 to amend, gave notice of the which the Division may have against the TIVE MINIMUM PRICES FOR DISTRICT No. amendment and of the continuance of the defendant or of any penalty or forfeiture 10, OR IN THE ALTERNATIVE FOR HOTAD- hearing, and extended the period for In- to which the defendant may be subject LISHMENT OF Just AND EQUITABLE PRICES tervention. No new petitions of Inter- by reason of any violation other than MEMORANDUM OPINION AND ORDER GRANTING vention were filed. those referred to in paragraph 2 of the findings herein, or a waiver by or on TEMPORARY RELIEF Ou June 4, original petitioners, filed a motion supported by & brief, requesting behalf of any code member of any right This proceeding was instituted upon temporary relief. District Board 1 filed which be may have against the defend- an original joint petition flied with the a brief opposing the granting of um ant under section 5 (d) of the Act to Bituminous Coal Division on March 31, 1941, by Delta Coal Mining Company porary relief. respect to said violations. Durtus Use heariog. petitioners of- Dated: July 28, 1941. ("Delts"), Bahara Coal Company ("Be- [ERAL] hara"), and the United Electric Coal fered evidence that: DAW R. WHEELER, Acting Director. Companies ("United Electric"), code Illinois costs moved all-rall tale IM members in District No. 10, purrent to Twin Cities marks to substantial 18. & Doc. 41-0073; Filed, July II, 1241) the provisions of Coction a (A), Special taties until about 1924, when rail TERM 10:00 4. m.] River Price Instructions and Exceptions were burded and Cirral Lake Ded Regraded Unclassified FEDERAL REGISTER Friday, August 2, INI se rates decreased; M 1 result, the Twin limited this 88-95% of the cost delivered to the Twin Cities in water-borge, them dinetion of established minimum prices, Citles market was virtually last to IIII- CERTETIX coals premit the real competition or by any other means la & matter which nois coals: during the last five years the to the coal from Metrict No. 10, 0833 only be determined after more stud- upper part of the Mississippi Niver has been developed by the Federal Govern- Petitioners contended that either free led consideration of the record to libits ment; due to this development, and D&- alongside prices stimuld Do granted or, proceeding. And in that connection, Dending Onal disposition or the potition. cause of lower transportation charges If the relationship with all-rail coals must the Division will also study carefully the for river as compared to all-rail ship- be maintained, that the prescribed differ- results which follow from the granting of menta, Illinois coals began to move by entials should be revised property to take temporary relief. barge to the Twin Citles, and beginning into account, not only the lower east Now, therefore, " is ordered, That in 1939 moved in continually increasing of river over all-rall transportation, but temporary relief pending final disposi- quantities until the establishment of also certain out factors Involved to the tlon of this proceeding is granted forth- effective minimum prices on October 1, handling of river costa, and that relief with by temporarily amending the 1940.³ should be extended to inland retail coal schedule of Effective Minimum Priors for It was also testified that the eitles of dealers as well as those having dock- District No. 10 for All Shipments Except Minnespolis and Bt, Paul, in order that yards, because storage apace on the mu- Truck, as follows: their inhabitants might enjoy the lower nicipal docks to limited and occupled only Under the Section "Prices for Niver river transportation rates, constructed by M. few persons and because much of (free alongside deliveries) and Ex-River coal docks on the Missinsippi River: that the coal has customarily moved across Bhipments, Special River Pride Instrue- these docks are operated 0.5 - municipal the docks to Inland retail coal dealers' tiona and Exceptions." "Special Cases function at moderate cost with alloca- yards for storage. There appear to be C," page 63, add the following provision: tion of storage space to retail coal deal- no privute coal docks and no possible 10- en on a yearly basis; and that although cations for them within the Twin Cities Any code member producer, sales actual storage space 00 the dock is lim- area, agent or registered distributor may mill ited. there la ample capacity for move- Certain interveners, particularly D'a- coal for barge delivery to and over the ment of coal across the dock-for storage trict Board 7, opposed the granting of municipal docks at Minneapolis and any relief, temporary or permanent, wg- St. Paul at the minimum f. O, b. mine at inland retail coal yards." ing that It would upset coordination with prices for free alongside delivery when It was further testified that: In 1939 and 1940 petitioners shipped a substantial eastern Lake dock coals by depriving shipped from the mines by rafl and re- percentage of the Illinois coal moving by them of their existing competitive op- loaded Into barges 00 the Misstssippi River for transshipment on the Missia- river to the Twin Cities; in 1939 Sahara portumities in the Twin Cities market by sippl River to retail coal dealers for resule shipped via the Minneapolis dock to failing properly to reflect relative market at retail by such dealers located within about elx purchasers, including retail values. the switching limits of these cities, coal dealers, and to its own retail District Board 7 produced two witnesses whether such coal la for storage on the coal yard on the Minneapolis dock where who testified concerning the propriety municipal docks or at Inland retail coal it sold to retail coal dealers and in 1940 of 1. prices. One of these witnesses yards. to the dockyard of its own subsidiary, stated that he was opposed to such relief Provided, however, That the rellef Saline Coal and Dock Co., and to others whereas another witness, representing herein granted shall apply only to coal including retail coal dealers with inland lake dock interests regularly shipping the shipped from the mine subsequent to retail coal yards; United Electric shipped preponderant tonnagee consumed in the the date hereof, and to retail coal dealers over the St. Paul Twin Cities, stated that f. a. B. prices Provided further, That any code mem- dock; Delta's coals moved via the Minne- should be established for sales to retail ber, sales agent or registered distributor apolis dock to Republic Coal & Coke Com- coal dealers with dock facilities at the offering for sale, selling or reselling any pany, its exclusive sales agent, acting 69 Twin Cities. The witnesses for District coal pursuant to this Order shall submit retail coal dealer on the dock, to retail Board 7 also testified, concerning the ef- to the Bituminous Coal Division at 734 coal dealers and to certain consumers feet of the establishment of L. 5. prices Fifteenth Street NW., Washington. D. C. taking coal over the dock direct from upon coordination at the Twin Cities. within five (6) days after such offer, barge to rallroad car; interveners, Frank- Entirely apart from, and without con- sale or resale, a complete description of lin County Coal Corporation et als, also sidering, the tasue of re-coordination, It such offer. sale or resale 68 in required shipped by river to the Twin Cities, la appropriate, OD the basis of the above- by the Marketing Rules and Regulations Pranklin County Coal Corporation and mentioned evidence, to grant temporary of the Division, Order 313, and any other Peabody Coal Company, at least, ship- relief under section 3 (A) of the Special orders of the Division. The filing of this ping on B regular basis and in substantial River Price Instructions and Exceptions data at the offices of the Bituminous tonnages: since October 1, 1940, neither in the Minimum Price Schedule for Dis- Coal Division in Washington, D. C. shall original petitioners nor any of the Inter- trict No. 10. Unless petitioners are be to addition to that required for fillow Vehers have shipped coal via river to TC- granted temporary relief they will suffer with the Beld office. tall coal dealers in the Twin Cities: In Irreparable injury, due to the shortness Each report or description required fact, very little Illinois coal bas atrice of the river navigation sesson. And un- herein shall be duly verified and marked been delivered to such retail noal dealers less such relief is granted immediately, either by river or all-rail. for incorporation in this docket as part petitioners will be deprived of any op- of the record in these proceedings. It appears that under the established portunity to negotiate for the sale and minimum prices, water-borne Illinois shipment of river conis during the cur- It may be required from time to time coals have been unable to compete with rent sesson. Half of the sesson already that there shall be made available for water-borne eastern coals from Minimum having passed, substantially less Illinois Inspection for representatives of the m- cont can be shipped during the remainder tuminous Coal Division at all reasonable Price Area 1, having the advantage of the of the season than was shipped during times and places, all books, records, cor- Great Lakes dock rates. Since It is 65- 1940; certainly no more. There can not respondence or other documents pertain- be possible prejudice, therefore, to the the to the offer for mile, sale, delivery The evidence offered WAS That to 1031 the movement totaled 7,090 toma. There enstern producers If temporary relief, as or other transactions of and Involving were do ahlpments ID was and ruas. In hereinafter provided, in granted. mich conls. 1940 a total of 204,572 Some - shipped by Federal Barge Line closs. Whether temporary reflef should be Notice is hereby given that applice= esde permanent and whether perma- tions to stay, terminate, or modify the 'The testimony is that to 1640 about 20,000 total At Titinois cow more 3 und and rellef should Due granted with the temporary relief herein crasted may be own does MY Minnepolis "Special provision. by a 28-200r- Blass pursuant to the (tolen and Ang Regraded 8850 FEDERAL REGISTER, Friday, August 2, TOST Istions Governing Practices and Proce- (Docket No. 031-20) filed: Name, address, and date application dure for the Bituminous Cost Division IN TRE MATTER or THE APPLICATION OF in Proceedings Instituted Pursuant to BELLEVILLE Furis, INCORPORATED, FOR section 4 II (d) of the Bituminous Coal PROVISIONAL APPROVAL in A MARKETING Ala, 8/2/41. Monteratio Coal Mining Co., Aldria Act of 1997. AGENCY: 28 n: APPLICATION OF THE Ar- Nothing contained herein shall be PLICANT FOR RENEWAL OF THE ORDER 7/21/41. Clareinos Payme, Barbourville, Kg. deemed to constitute a ruling or a GRANTING It PROVISIONAL APPROVAL All A pression of the Director's views concern- MARKETING AGENCY ADY district board, code member, dis the the final disposition of these pro- tributor. the Consumers' Counsel, or any ORDER GRAWTING INTERIM ESNEWAL OF ORDER condings or the nature of the relief which other interested person, who has Deru- QRANTING APPLICANT PROVISIONAL AP- may hereafter be granted. prot Information concerning the eligibil- PROVAL AS & MARKETING AGENCE Dated July 29, 1941. Ity of any of the above-named applicants [STAL] R. A. GRAY, Applicant, Belleville Fuels, Incorpo- for registration as distributors under the Director. rated, having filed an application with provisions of the Bituminous Coal Act the National Bituminous Coal Commis- and the Balas and Regulations for the 17. R. Doc. 41-8575; Filed, July B1, 1941; alon (predecessor of the Bituminous Coal Registration of Distributors, is Invited 10:09 a. m.) Division) requesting provisional approval to fornish rach Information to the Di- as a marketing agency pursuant to Or- vision on or before August 10, 1941. This der No. 6 issued by said National Bitu- information should be malled or INT- [Docket No. 1607-FD) minous Coal Commission on June 21, sented to the Bittratnous Coal Diviston, In THE MATTER or BECKLEY FIRE Camex 1987; and 784 15th Street NW,, Washington, D. C. The Bituminous Cost Division by Or- D. c. COAL COMPANY, DEFENDANT der of the Director dated January 9, Dated July 29, 1041. ORDER GRANTING APPLICATION FOR RETM- 1940, BE modified by Order of the Direc- (SMAL) R. A. GRAY, STATEMENT OF CODE MEMBERSHIP tor dated January 15, 1941, having Director, A written complaint, dated February granted the application of the Belleville (7. R. Doe. 41-8878: Flied, July 31, 1041; 8. 1941, having been filed herein by the Fuels, Incorporated, for provisional ap- 10:10 8. m.j Bituminous Coal Producers Board for proval as & marketing agency for one District No. 7. pursuant to section 4 II year from the date of said Order of Jan- [Docket No. 1641-FD) (j) and 5 (b) of the Bituminous Coal Act uary 9, 1940, subject to renewal upon ap- of 1937 (the "Act"). alleging wilful viola- plication therefor: and IN THE Mirma OF THE WYATT COAL SALES tion by the Beckley Fire Creek Coal Com- Applicant having on June 27, 1941, COMPANY, REGISTRIED DISTRIBUTOR, pany ("Beckley"), of the Bituminous filed an application for renewal of said REGISTRATION No. 9906, DEFENDANT Coal Code (the "Code"), and rules and Order granting It provisional approval ORDER OF SURPENSION OF REGISTRATION regulations thereunder: and & & marketing agency, requesting that An Order having been made herein on said Order be renewed retroactively to The Notice of and Order for Hearing in the above entitled matter dated Peb- July 18, 1941, by the Acting Director, January 9, 1941; and ruary 17. 1041, having been duty made pursuant to stipulation of Beckley and By an Order dated July 16, 1941, a hearing having been scheduled on said by the Director pursuant to the provi- said District Board, dated July 16, 1941, stons of Bection 304.14 of the Rules and cancelling and revoking the code mem- application for renewal of the Order Regulations for the Registration of Du- bership of Beckley and providing that granting Applicant provisional approval tributors, promulgated by the Bitumi- such cancellation and revocation shall as B marketing agency, at 10 o'clock in nous Coal Division (the "Division"), become effective six (0) days after service the forenoon of August 4, 1941, at a hear- thereof on Beckley: and ing room of the Bituminous Coal Divi- pursuant to section ( II (h) of the Bitu- minous Cost Act of 1937 (the "Act"), to Seld Order having been duly served on nion, 734 15th Street NW., Washington, Beckley on July 23, 1941; and D. C.; and Applicant having been required determine whether the Wyatt Coal Sales at the same time to show cause why its Company ("Wyutt"), registered distrib- Beckley having filed with the Division provisional approval, If renewed, should utor, Registration No. 9906, defendant in its application, dated July 25. 1041, for not be modified and ammded in certain the above entilled matter has violated reinstatement of code membership to be- come effective simultaneously with the specified respects; the provisions of section 4 II (e) and effective date of such concellation and re- Now, therefore, " is ordered, That, (h) of the Act, 204.12 (b) of the Rules vocation of its code membership; and pending the determination of the afore- and Regulations for the Registration of It appearing from said application that mentioned proceeding, an Interim No- Distributors, and Sections (b) and (e) of Beckley has paid to the Collector of In- newal of the Order granting the Appll- the agreement executed by seld defend- termal Revenue at Parkersburg, West Vir- cant provisional approval 94 a marketing ant pursuant to said I 304.12 (b), and girls, the eum of One Thousand Nine agency to hereby granted as of January said Notice of and Order for Hearing Hundred Seven Dollars and Thirty-seven 9. 1941; having been duly served upon the de- Centa ($1,907.37), pursuant to said Order It is further ordered, That the renewal fendant on February 19. 1041: and made July 18, 1941, as IA condition prece- of the provisional approval hereby The defendant having filed its answer dent to reinstatement of Its code granted is specifically subject to much herefo with the Division DD March 1, membership. further orders as may be entered to this 1841, and an order having been made It la ordered, That said application of docket. and entered herein. dated July 23, 1941, Backley, dated July 26, 1941, for rein- Dated July 28, 1941. permititing the withdrawal thereof: and statement of Its code membership be and [SEAL] The defendant having by stipulation DAN H. WINELER, It hereby is granted. Anting Director, made July 10, 1941, g. true copy of which It la further ordered, That the code is ennered hereto and made § part membership of Becklay be and it hereby (P. a. Doc. 41-6577; Filed, July BL 1941; hereof, admitted the truth of the alle- 10:00 4. al 1a restored as of the effective date of said gallows contained in said Notice of and cancellation and revocation of code Order for Hearing. and the facts get out membership. to MAR stipulation and having consented APPLICATIONS FOR REGISTRATION Dated July 30, 1941, to the making and entry of this order AS DISTRIBUTION (smas.) 2. A. Gur, of supendor: and An application for registration as & The defendant basing by said stiptis- Director, distributor has been filed by enco of the tion water (6) hearing on the Notice P. 2. Des 61-5076; FUed, July si, 1041; following and to under by of and Order for Hearths herein: (b) 10:00 a. m.) the Director: oral acgument - the files of briefs y Regraded Unclassified FEDERAL REGISTER. Friday, If that 8851 fore the Director or other predding office with the Commission the application dated Amt 20, 1930, for registration as by failing to file currently M rendered, cer; (c) the preparation and extration of any report, Andings of fact or recom- 9. distributor which was by Involves to cover shipments of 447.78 tons to Agreement executed Aprtl 25, 1939. (6 cara), 448.50 tone (6 cara) and 450.0 mendations by the Director or other pro- (the "Distributor's Agreement"), said tobs (6 cars), respectively made on 240- siding officer: (d) the premistion of oral argument before the Director or application was approved by the Divi- vember B. 11, and 14, 1940, respectively, other presiding officer and (6) the prep- adon DEL November 18, 1939, and Certifi- of mid. mbstituted %" x0 stack coal at $1.75 per net Lon f. 0. b. said mine, such aration and submission of tentative nate No. 9906 was ismied to the defendant invoices not having been filed until findings of fact or proposed order by the authorizing It to act as a reststered dis- December 29, 1940. Director: and tributor and the defendent has been over The defendant by anió stipulation since the last-mentioned date and is Now, therefore, based upon the above (a) having admitted improperly substi- now acting us a registered distributor. findings; upon the defendant's agree- tuting. during the months of October and ($) Becking is a corporation duly or- ment that during said periods of ellspen- November, 1940, ILS agent for the Beckley ganlsed sod existing under and by virtue sim If will not act 9.8 registered distribu- Fire Creek Coal Company ("Beckley") of the laws of the State of West Virginia, tor and that it will not accept or receive 2717.05 tone of 3/4" x 0 slack coal pro- whose principal office la located at as registered distributor, elther directly duced at the Penman Mine, Mine Index Charleston, West Virginia, and is en- or indirectly, any discounts on coal pur- No. 140, located In District No. 7, on on gaged under the powers granted to It by chased by It from code members during order of Bethlebem Steel Company. corporate charter. in the business of the period of suspension herein which dated October 30, 1940, for 2400 tons mining and producing bituminous coal. would reduce the price thereof below the of %" % o slack coal at $1.75 per net (4) On June 19, 1937, Beckley filed effective minimum price therefor and ton f. 0. b. said mine, whereas the effec- with the Commission its acceptance of that during said period It will observe Live minimum price for said substituted the Code dated June 17, 1937; sald no- and faithfully abide by all the provisions 3/4" x 0 slack was $1,80 per net too captance was approved by the Commis- of the Act, the Marketing Rules and f. 0. b. said mine: (b) having further sion on June 28, 1927, to take effect as Regulations, the Rules and Regulations admitted the statements of fact and of June 19, 1937, and was adopted as of for the Registration of Distributors, the conclusions of law contained in the July 1. 1939, by the Division, and Beckley Distributor's Agreement, und all appli- since seld last-mentioned date, has been cable orders of the Division; and Reckley order made by the Director dated July 16, having paid said tax of Nineteen Hundred 1941, in Docket No. 1657-FD, esncelling a code member operating the Penman and Beven Dollars and Thirty-seven and revoking the code membership of Mine, Mine Index No. 140, located in Centa ($1907.27) to the Bureau of In- Beckley and assessing the tax payable District No. 7 In Raleigh County, West ternal Revenue pursuant to an order of by Beckley at Nineteen Hundred and Virginia. the Director dated July 18, 1941 In Docket Seven Dollars and Thirty-seven Centa (5) The defendant owne all the out- No. 1557-FD and applied to the Division ($1907.37), as a condition to its reinstate- standing corporate shares of stock of for reinstatement of membership to the ment to membership in the Bihuminous Bockley and controls Its corporate acts Code. Coal Code ("Code"); and (c) having fur- and doings. The defendant acted 0.9 the It is ordered, That the registration of ther admitted that the transactions ast duty authorized agent of Beckley in the the defendant in the above entitled mat- forth in (a) and (b) hereof violated the transaction referred to to (6) hereof. ter, Wyatt Coal Sales Company, M a applicable minimum prices set out to the (6) The defendant wold and substi- distributor is hereby suspended for a Schedule of Effective Minimum Prices for tated during the months of October and period of thirty (30) days from the date District No. 7, for AD Shipments Except November, 1940, M agent for Beckley of service hereof upon the defendant Truck, 304.12 (b), 2, 3, and 5 of the 2,717.05 ton of 1/4" X o alack coal pro- herein and that the defendant, its offi- Rules and Regulations for the Registra- duced at the Penman Mine, Mine Index cers, representatives, agenta, servants. tion of Distributors, paragraphs (b), (c), No. 140 located b District No. 7, on the employees and attorneys and all affill- and (e) of the Agreement made April 25, order of Bethlehem Steel Company dated ates and subsidiaries of the defendant 1939 (the "Distributor's Agreement"), October 30, 1940, for 2,400 lons of 3/6" x 0 shall be and are hereby prohibited from pursuant to the order of the National slack coal at $1.75 per net ton f. 0. b. said receiving or accepting any discounts from Bituminous Coul Commission ("Commis- mine, whereas the effective minimum the effective minimum prices, either di- ston") dated March 24, 1839, entered in price for said substituted 96" x 0 slack rectly or indirectly. on coal purchased by General Docket No. 12 and adopted BA coal was $1.80 per net ton t. D. b. said them or any of them from code members an order of the Division on July 1, 1939, mine. during said thirty (30) day period of the execution of said agreement by the (7) That 9/4" X 0 stock coal shipped to suspension: Provided, however, That the defendant having been a condition prece- Bethlehem Steel Company on the order making and entry of this order of sus- dent to the granting of the dofendant's for %" * 0 stack referred to in (6) pension will not prevent the defendants, application for registration as a distrib- hereof aggregating 2,717.06 tons were sold Its officers, representatives, agents, serv- utor, Rules 1 (a), (b), (c) and (e) and 2 and shipped in violation of the appli- ants, employees and attorneys and all of Section XI, Rule 3 of Section XII and cable minimum prices as set forth to the affiliates and subsidiories of defendent Rule 6 of Section XIII of the Marketing Schedule of Effective Minimum Prices for from accepting sales commissions DO coal Rules and Regulations and Section é 11 District No. 7 For All Shipments Except sold by them or any of them as anlos (e) and (b) and paragraph 0 of Section Truck, 304.12 (b), (2), (2) and (5) of agent under bons fide sales contracts 4 II (1) of the Act. the Rules and Regulations for the Reg- filed with the Division on or before Janu- It is hereby found that: Istration of Distributors, paragraphs (b), any 1, 1941: And Provided further, That (1) The defendant is a corporation (e) and (e) ot the Distributor's Agree- If the defendant shall not have complied organized and existing under and by ment, Rules 1. (a), (b), (c) and (e) and with the providons of Bection 204.15 of virtue of the laws of the State of West 2 of Section XI, Rule 3 of Section XXI the Rules and Regulations for the Regis- Virginia, with Its principal office located and Rule 6 of Section XIII of the Mar- tration of Distributors within the said at Charleston, West Virginia, und is 0- keting Rules and Regulations and séction thirty (30) day period, said surpension gaged under the powers granted to It by 4 IN (e) and (h) and paragraph e of nec- shall continue in full force and effect its corporate charter in the Dostoess of tion 40 (1) of the Act. until five (5) days after the affidavit re- selling and distributing coal. (B) The defendant In shipping the quested by said Section 304.15 shall have (2) On April 20, 1039, purmant to the 46" N.O. stack coul - the Bethlehem Steel been filed with the Division: and Order of the Commission assed March Company referred to in (6) hereof, vis- N is further ordered, That the defend- 24, 1920, entered to General Dedivi No. lated the Commission's Order No. 150 and during such said. period of surpen- 12 And adopted as sh order of the Divi- dated December 10, 1987. and adopted as adidas shall continue fully to observe. abide mon OD: July & 1939, the defendant filed 4a order of the Division on July 1, 1030, by and remato to all respecte subject to Regraded Unclassified 3852 FEDERAL REGISTER, Friday, August I, 1941 all pertinent and applicable provisions of the portbined bank of the Biver abd in the south edge of the town of OM cycle band Rod 50 frequencies to as the Act, Marketing Rules and Regula- McCraili, 199428 5900-1000 Informate band upon furthis Home. Rules and Regulations for the N. 48'80' W, 825 order of the Commission: Registration of Distributors, the Distrib- 21. 47'08' a. 304 Test: 1.960 to 2,000 kilooycles utor's Agreement and all applicable If. 48'00' W., 0100 fees, 10 approximate latitude 02°57'40" If., longiture 165° 8,500 to 3,800 kilocycles 0.000 to 4,000 kilocycles orders of the Division: and 87 W., 7,000 to 7,300 kilocycles It Le further ordered, That in the event Thance by metes and bounds, 14,000 to 14,400 kilocycles the defendant shall hereafter violate any B. 07*04* W., 1080.0 fest; 28,000 to 30,000 kilocycles 8. 70°00' W., 1200.0 feet: of its agreements set forth in said #Upu- 56,000 to 60,000 kilogycles N. 76'24' W., 1100.0 feet: 112,000 to 116,000 kllocycles lation dated July 10, 1941, a true copy R. 47'22' W. 1300.0 feelly 224,000 to 200,000 kilocycles of which in annexed hereto and made of N. 12"37' W., 2185.5 feet; 400,000 to 401,000 kilocycles part hereof, this matter may be reopened N. 40'66' W. 400.0 net more or less, to & point on the must boundary line of and such action taken and orders en- Provided. however, That amatour 11- D. Survey No. 1902. sered herein as to the Director may seem censees located in the states of Maine, HANOLD L. TORES. New Hampshire, Vermont, just and proper under the circumstances, and jurisdiction of this matter is hereby Secretary of the Interior. netts, Rhode Island, Connectious. New supremaly reserved for such purposes. JULY 10, 1941. York, New Jersey, Pennaylvania, Dela- Dated July 30, 1941 ware, Maryland, District of Columbia, (BEALT M. A. GRAY, (7) R. Doe. 41-0591 Filed. July 81, 10411 Ohio, Michigan. Indians, Illinois, We 10:84 a. m.) Director, consin, Minnesota, Iows, North Dakota, South Dakota, Wyoming, Montana, (P. . Doc 41-8070 FUed, JULY 61. 1041: Idaho, Oregon, and Washington, may - 10:10 a. m.) the frequencias to the band 3800-3900 FEDERAL COMMUNICATIONS COM- kilocycles for Type A-1 emission during MISSION. the period between two hours after local General Land Office. sunrise and two hours before local - [Docket No. 6159] As NATIGATION SITE WITHDRAWAL No. 185, set subject to the condition that no ID- ALABKA ORDER IN THE MATTER OF WITHDRAWAL OF terference is caused to government opera- PREQUENCIES FROM AMATEUR SERVICE tion on these frequencies. The privilege It is ordered. under and pursuant to At a meeting of the Federal Communi- conferred by this proviso with respect to the provisions of section 4 of the act of any emateur or to the amateurs within May 24, 1928. 45 Stat. 729; 49 U.S.C. 214, cations Commission held in its offices in any area may be terminated at any time that the public lands lying within the Washington, D. C., on the 29th day of without advance notice or hearing should following described boundaries in the July, 1941: interference develop. The Commission having under consid- vicinity of McGrath. Alaska, be, and they Temporary Rule 12.115 Additional eration Its Rules Governing Amateur are hereby, withdrawn from all forms of bands for types of emission using ampli- Radio Stations and Operators with par- appropriation under the public-land laws, tude modulation. The following bands ticular reference to the provisions gov- subject to valid existing rights, for the of frequencies are allocated for use by erning the use of frequencies; and tue of the Department of Commerce in amsteur stations using additional types It appearing that the needa of National of emission as shown: the maintenance of air navigation Defense require the temporary re-amign- facilities: ment, on September 1, 1941, of one hun- 1,750 to 1,900 kilocycles A-4 1,000% 2,050 kilocycles A-1 TRACT No. 1 dred and at later dates of an additional 8,600 to 4,000 kilocycles A-1 Beginning st a point on the south boundary two hundred kilocycles presently allocated 7,250 to 7,300 kilocycles A-3 of U. 8. Burvey No. 1962. from which corner to amateur stations under II 12.111, 14,150 to 14,250 kilocycles A-9 210. 9 of such survey bears west 170.8 feet in 12.115 and 12.116, to the conduct of com- 28,100 to 50,000 kilocycles A-3 approximate latitude 62'57'80'' N. longitude 50,000 to 60,000 kilocycles A-2 A-6 A-4 185°37' W. Thence by metes and bounds. munications necessary for the training 112,000 to 116,000 kiloeycles A-2 Bust 1320.0 feet: of military airplane pilots exclusively; 224,000 to 280,000 kilocycles South 2990.4 feel to B. state on the left bank of Euskokwim River: It is ordered, That on August 18, 1941, 400,000 to 401,000 kiloeycles Thence with meanders of the left bank, a public hearing be held at the offices of This order shall take effect September N. 73'40' W 623.7 feet: the Commission in Washington, D, C., 1, 1941. N. 76"00" W., 500.0 feet: N. 72°00' W. 201.7 feet to 4 stake, to determine whether the adoption of N is further ordered, That any existing thence the following order will promote public holder of an amateur radio station 11- North 9600.1 feet to the place of begin- convenience or interest or will serve pub- certse desiring to object to the foregoing sing containing 14.8 acres. Lie necessity or enable & fuller compliance proposed order shall, not later than Au- TRACT No. If with the provisions of the Communica- gust 14, 1941, file an appearance with the Beginning at a point on the west boundary Uons Act of 1934, as amended; Commission actions forth in detail the of U. 6 Survey No, 1962. from which worner It is ordered, That 16 12.111, 12.115 and grounds of such objection. No. 5 of such survey bears south 2253.0 feet. Thence by meles and bounds, 12.116 of Part 12 or the Rules and Regu- By the Commission. 8, 81°14' W. 1073.8 feet to a state on the Intions of the Commission, insofar as they [SMAL] T. J. SLOWIE, left bank of Kuskokwim River: pertain to the continental limits of the Secretary. Thence with meanders of laft hank, X 20'16' E. 171.5 fuelt: United States. be, and they are hereby, (P. R. Doc. 41-6889: piled, July 1. 1041: N. 40°14' E., 300.0 Emet; suspended until further order of the 10:11 a. m.) 24. 47'14' E. 295.6 test to a stake; thence commission; N 61°34' E. 1330.2 fees to a. stake on the thenee west boundary of U. B. Durvey No. 1963, It is further ordered, That the fot- lowing Temporary Rules Governing Ama- [Docket No. 51491 South, 505.9 Coot along the event boundary teur Radio Stations be effective during Notice RELATIVE TO AMEXICAN Resuals- or such allergy La she place or beginning. containing 104 acros. the period of the suspension of the fore- CAN, INC. (WBRY) going sections: TRACT No. 3 Application dated February 20, 1947. Inllows A 100-2004 right-id-wag. the canter line - Temporary Rule 12.111 Frequenoles for modification of C. P.: class of aervice, for exclusive use of amoteur stations. The brondcast: class of station, broadeas: Deginiting at . point on the - boundary following bands of frequencies are allo- location. Waterbury, Connecticut: opelle Time of the tract withdrawn October 1, 1940, ented exclusively for use by amateur no- action susignment specified: Prequency. under Air Navigation Este Wishdrawal Mo. tions subject to change with respect to 560 ka: power. 1 kw. (DA night and 160, from which D. 8. L. M. 1901, located on 150 frequencies In the 5500-3500 kilo- day); hours of operation. unlimited. Regraded Unclassified FEDERAL REGISTER, Friday, August 1, INI 3853 You are hereby nottfied that the Com- The applicant is hereby given the op- (Dodost No. 81801 mission has examined the above 04- portunity to obtain e bearing on such adribed application and has designated tomorr by think a written appearance in Notice RELATIVE TO SEAHOARD RADIO accordance with the provisions of BROADCASTING CORPORATION (WIBG) the matter for hearing for the following I 1.382(b) of the Commission's Rules of Application dated March 18. 1941, for reasons: Practice and Procedure. Persons other modification of Ifoense: class of service, 1. To determine whether completion of than the applicant who desire to be heard broadcast; class of station, broadcast: construction heretofore authorised (B)- must file a petition to Intervene in ac- location, Glenside, Pennsylvania; operat- p-2756) was prevented by causes not un- cordance with the provisions of I 1.102. of ing assignment specified: Prequency. 990 der control of the applicant-permittee. the Commission's Rules of Practice and ke.: power, 1 kw, day; hours of operation, 2. To determine whether the granting Procedure. limited to Knoxville, Tenn. of the instant application would tend The applicant's address la as follows: You are hereby notified that the Com- toward a fair, efficient and equitable dis- mission has examined the above de- tribution of radio service as contem- American Republican, Inc., Badio Sta- scribed application and has designated plated by section 307 (b) of the Com- tion WERY, 136 Grand St., Waterbury, the matter for hearing for the following munications Act of 1934. as amended. Connecticut. reasons: 3. To determine whether the granting Dated at Washington, D. C., July 29, of this application would be consistent 1. To determine whether the granting 1941. with the standards of good engineering of this application would be consistent By the Commission. practice. particularly in view of the ex- with the provisions of the North American pected nighttime interference limitation (SEAL) T. J. BLOWIE, Regional Broadcasting Agreement. to the service of Station WBRY B5 pro- Secretary. 2. To determine whether, in view of the facts adduced under the foregoing Issue posed. 4. To determine whether the proposed (P. R Dec. 41-5583; Filed, July 21, 1041; 10:11 & m.) and the Issues relating to the application directional antenna array would afford for renewal of license of Station WIBG, adequate protection to the services of Docket No. 6062, public Interest. con- Stations WFIL and WGAN, particularly venience and necessity will be served by in view of the distances between said [Docket No. 6064) the granting of the Instant application. mellons and Station WBRY. NoTICE RELATIVE TO BOONS BIBLICAL The application involved herein will 5. To determine the extent of any in- COLLEGE (KFGQ) not be granted by the Commission unless terference which would result from the Issues listed above are determined in amultaneous operation of Station Application dated May 21, 1941, for favor of the applicant on the basis of a WBRY as proposed. and Stations renewal of license; class of service, broad- record duly and properly made by means WMCA, WFIL and WGAN. cast: class of station. broadcest: location. of a formal hearing. 6. To determine the areas and popula- Boone, Town: operating assignment: fre- The applicant is hereby given the op- llons which may be expected to lose in- quency, 1,400 kc.) power, 100 W. day; portunity to obtain 1. hearing on such terference-free primary service, par- hours of operation, specified hours. issues by filing a written appearance in ticularly from Stations WMCA, WGAN You are hereby notified that the Com- accordance with the provisions of 1 1.382 and WFIL, should Station WBRY oper- mission has examined the above de- (b) of the Commission's Rules of Pruc- are as proposed. and what other broad- scribed application and has designated Lice and Procedure, Persons other than past service is available to these areas the matter for hearing for the following the applicant who destre to be heard and populations. reason: must file a petition to Intervene to NO- 7. To determine the areas and popu- 1. To determine whether public inter- cordance with the provisions of 1.102 lations now receiving interference-free of the Commission's Bules of Practice est, convenience or necessity would be primary service from Station WBRY better served through the unlimited time and Procedure, which may be expected to lose such operation of Station KVFD on the fre- The applicant's address in as follows: service should this application be quency 1,400 ko. than through the con- Seaboard Radio Broadcasting Corp. granted, and what other broadcast serv- tinued operation of Station KFOQ. Badio Station WIBG, Easton Road and lee is available to these areas and popu- Mt. Carmel Avenue, Glenside, Pennayl- lations. The application involved herein will vania. 0. To determine areas and populations not be granted by the Commission unless which may be expected to gain inter- the issue listed above is determined in Dated al Washington, D. C., July 28, ference-free primary service from the favor of the applicant on the basis of E 1941. operation of Station WBRY, as pro- record duly and properly made by means By the Commission. powed, and what other broadcast service of a formal hearing. TERAL] T. J. BLOWIE. dons la available to these areas and popula- The applicant is hereby given the op- Secretary. portunity to obtain a hearing on such 10. R. Doc 41-8588 Filed. July $1. 1041. 0. To determine the extent of any In- Jame by filing 1. written appearance in 10:11 A. m.| terference which would result from accordance with the provisions of I 1.382 simultaneous operation of Station (b) of the Commission's Rules of Prac- No. Diet) WBRY. as proposed, and WFIL as pro- tice and Procedure. Persons other than Dozed in application No. B2-P-2804, as the applicant who desire to be heard Notice RELATIVE TO HENNEMY BROAD- well as the areas and populations must file a petition to intervene in BC- CASTING Co. (NEW) affected thereby and what other brond- cordance with the provisions of I L.102 Application dated April 2, 1041, for east is available to these areas of the Commission's Rules of Practice and construction permit; class of service, and populations. Procedure. brundcast; class of station, broadesst, 10. To determine whether in view of The applicant's address la as follows: location, Butte. Montana: operating 43- the facts adduced under the foregoing Boone Biblical College. Radio Station signment specified: Frequency, 1,490 ke.| Justice that public Interest, convenience IDOQ, 924 West Becond St,, Boone, Iowa. power, 250 w.; hours of operation, and necessity will be served by the unlimited. spenting of this application. Dated at Washington, D. C., July 20, You are hereby notified that the Com- The application Involved herein will 1941. mission has examined the above de- not be granted by the Commission un- By the Commission. acribed application and has destgnated In the limites listed above are deter- (SMAL) T. 2. BLOWTH, the matter for hearing for the following mined in favor of the applicant on the Secretary. ressons: based by of a record duly and properly made means of & formal hearing. 17. n. Doo. 41-5504: Filed, July 81, 1941: L To determine applicant's legal, 10:11 - m.) technical. and other qualifications to Regraded Unclassified 3854 FEDERAL REGISTER, Friday. August 1, 1941 construct and operate the proposed the matter for hearing for the following reasons: reasons." the matter for bearing for the following station. 2. To determine the type and character 1. To determine applicant's legal, of the service, both program and téchni- 1. To determine whether or not technical. and other qualifications to eal. which applicant may be expected to port control tadlo station WOELS tag 457- construct and operate the proposed render if granted B permit to construct the past operated in accordance Will to station. the proposed station, the Commission's Rules and Regulations 3, To determine the identity, residence. 2. To determine the type and char- Governing Aviation Service, particularly acter of the service, both program and 9.9, 9.62 and 9.113. experience and familiarity with the needs of the population to which It la pro- technical, which applicant may be ex- 2. To determine the ultra Ngh ITM posed to rendor n local broadeast service, peeted to render if granted a permit to station. quency assignment most suitable for the of the persons having ultimate control construct the proposed station. of the applicant. 3. To getermine whether public Inter- 3. To determine whether the sontig. 4. To determine the practices and pol- est, convenience and necessity would be ued operation of this station would apply telen which the applicant may be expected surved by a grant of this application and public interest, convenience or Decemity to follow in the operation of the pro- the application of the Hennessey Broad- The applications involved herein NOT posed station, particularly in view of its casting Company (File No, B5-P-3159, not be granted by the Commission unless connections with the Hennessey Com- Docket No. 8131), or either of them. the Issues listed above are determined in pany, owner of a refail department atore The application involved herein will favor of the applicant on the basis of in Butte, Montana. and the Mercantile not be granted by the Commission unless a record duly and properly made by Stores Company, Inc., engaged in the the issues listed above are determined in means of a formal hearing, business of operating department atores tavor of the applicant on the barts of a The applicant Is hereby given the op- and owning real estate record duly und properly made by means portunity to obtain a hearing on NC & To determine whether public inter- of " formal hearing. issues by filing a written appearance in DAT. convenience or necessity would be The applicant is hereby given the op- accordance with the providens of served by is grant of this application and the application of Barclay Craighend portunity to obtain is hearing on such 1.382 (b) of the Comminsion's Rules (Pile No. B5-P-3103. Docket No. 8132), tasues by Aling B. written appearance in of Practice and Procedure. Persons other of either of them. accordance with the provisions of than the applicant who detire to DE I 1.382 (b) of the Commission's Rules of heard must file a petition to interves The application involved herein will Practice and Procedure. Persons other in accordance with the provisions of not be granted by the Commission unless than the applicant who desire to be heard $1.102 of the Commission's Rules of the issues listed above are determined in Practice and Procedure. must file a petition to intervene in ac- favor of the applicant on the basis of a The applicant's address u 0 follows cordance with the provisions of 1.102 record duly and properly made by means of the Commission's Rules of Practice George W. McCauley, d/b as Aeronau- of a formal hearing. and Procedure. tical Radio Company, Receivelt Firld The applicant is hereby given the op- The applicant's address In as follows: Mineola, New York. portunity to obtain & hearing on such Issues by filing a written appearance in Barclay Craighead, Wheeler Blook, 122 Dated at Washington, D. C., July 25 accordance with the provisions of I 1.382 W. Brondway, Butte, Montana. 1941. (b) of the Commission's Rules of Practice By the Commission and Procedure Persons other than the Dated al Washington D. C.. July 26. [SEAL] T. J. SLOWN, 1941. applicant who desire to be heard must Secretary. file a petition to intérvene in accordance By the Commission. (SEALT (P. B: Doc. 41-5868 Filed, July as, 1043; with the provisions of 1.102 the Com- T. J. SLOWIE, 10:12 & m.) mission's Rules of Practice and Pro- Secretary. codure. The applicant's address to ax tollows (F. H. Due. 41-5587; Flied. July 01, 1941; 10:12 a. m.1 FEDERAL POWER COMMISSION. Hennessy Broadcasting Company, * Hennessy Company, Hennessy Building, (Docket No. IT-57211 Bulle, Montana. In THE MATTER OF Dated at Washington, D. C,, July 28. [Docket Noe 0151, (109) UTILITIES Co. 1941. NOTICE RELATIVE TO GEORGE W. McCAU- NOTICE or APPLICATION By the Commission LEY, d/b AS AERONAUTICAL RADIO Com- (BRAL) T. J. SLOWIE PANY (WQEB) JULY 29. 1941. Secretary. Notice is hereby given that on July Application dated March 28, 1941, for 29, 1941, an application was Aled with IP " Doc. 41-5500, Flied, July 81, 1941: renewal of license; class of service, avia- the Federal Power Commission. parsu- 10:12 8. m.) tion; class of station, airport; location, ant to Section 204 of the Pederal Power Roosevelt Field, Mineola, New York: Act, by Montana-Dakota Utilities Co., operating assignment: Frequency, 278 a corporation organized under the town [Docker No. 81321 kc.: power. 15 watts; emission, A-3; Pta. of the State of Delaware and carrying NOTICE RELATIVE TO BARCLAY CRAIGHEAD of Comm., ground to aircraft stations. on electric and gas utilities business BY (NEW) Application dated April 0. 1941. for the States of Montana, North Dukota Application dated February 4, 1941, for construction permit; class of service, South Dakota and Wyoming. with PA construction permit: class of service, aviation; class of station, airport; loca- principal business office at Minnenpolis broadcast: class of station, broadonst: tion, Roosevelt Field, Mineola, New Minnesota, seeking an order authorizing location. Butte, Montana operating as- York; Operating assignment specified: the Issuance of $350,000.00 of unsecured signment specified: Prequency. 1,500, Frequency, add: 130,400 ko.: (Alternates Purchase Money Notes in three equal (1,400 kc. NARBA): power, 250 W.) hours 129,200 and 129,800 kc.); power, 100 Installments on or before April 1. 1943, of operation. unlimited watts; emission, A-3: Pts. of Comm, January 1. 1944. and October 1, 1944. You are hereby notified that the Com- ground to aircraft stations. respectively, and bearing interest at (Ive mission has examined the above de- You are hereby notified that the Com- rate of 2½ per cent per annum: all M scribed application and has designated mission has examined the above de- more fully appears in the application on scribed applications and has designated file with the Commission. Regraded Unclassifie FEDERAL REGISTER, Friday, August 2, 1911 3855 Any person destring to be heard or to Martin Company $1 Par Value Common All interested persons are referred to wake any protest in reference to said Stock: Nash-Kelvinator Corporation $5 sald declaration or application, which is application should. on or before the 16th Par Value Capital Stock; New York on file In the office of said Commission. dar of August, 1941. file with the Fed- Central Railroad Company Capital Stock, for 8. statement of the transpetions end Power Commission M petition or No Par Value: Paramount Pictures, Inc. protest in accordance with the Commis- #1 Par Value Common Stock: Pullman, therein below: propoted, which are summarized stort's Rules of Practice and Regula- Inc. Capital Stock, No Par Value: Pure OU Company Common Stock, No Par Consolidated Electric and Gas Com- Tjoma Value: Radio Corporation of America pany, a registered holding company, LEON M. POQUAY, Common Stock, No Par Value. Républic proposes to sell to Southeastern Indiana Secretary. Steel Corporation Common Stock, No Power Co., an Indians corporation, the IF e DOC 41-6590: Filed. July 81, 1941; Par Value; Standard Brands, Inc. Com- following described securities of its nub- 10:34 a m.) mon Stock, No Par Value: Standard Oil sidiary, Hoosler Public Utility Company: Company (New Jersey) $25 Par Value (a) 17,270 shares of the Common Cap- Capital Stock, Studebaker Corporation tal Stock of no par value: $1 Par Value Common Stock; United (b) $318.750 principal amount of 6% SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COM- States Rubber Company $10 Par Value 10-Year Note, dated July 1, 1935 and dul MISSION. Common Stock: and Yellow Truck & July 1. 1945; and 18Th Nos 7-403 to 7-611, Includive) Coach Manufacturing Company $1 Par (c) $150,000 principal amount of the Value Class a Stock. First Mortgage on Sinking Fund Bonds, IN THE MATTER or APPLICATIONS BY THE By the Commission due December 1. 1954, with all unma- Cuttemo STOCK EXCHANGE To EXTEND (SEAL) FRANCIS P. BRASHOR, tured coupons appertaining thrreto at- USLINTED TRADING PRIVILLOTS TO Secretary. Inched. TWENTY (20) Stocks MDD DISPOSINO OF APPLICATIONS FOR PER- (F. R. Duc, #1-5508; Piled, July at, 1941; The purchase price to be paid for the 11:46 a. m.) foregoing securities la the sum of the MISSION TO ERTEND ONLISTED TRADING following: PRIVILEGES (a) One Million One Hundred They. At A regular session of the Securities [File No. 70-063) sand Dollars ($1,100,000); and Exchange Commission, held at Its IN THE MATTER OF CONSOLIDATED ELECTRIC (b) Interest on the Note end Bonds office in the City of Washington, D. C., AND Gas COMPANY described above, accrued to date of elos- on the 30th day of July, A. D. 1041. NOTICE BEGARDING FILING Ing and unpaid: and The Chicago Stock Exchange having (c) An amount equal to the net earn- made application to the Commission, At a regular session of the Becurities Ings of Hoosier Public Utility Company purstiant to section 12 (f) of the Securi- and Exchange Commission, held at its applicable to the Common Stock of lies Exchange Act of 1934 and Rule office in the City of Washington, D C,, Hoosier Public Utility Company de- X-12F-1, for permission to extend un- on the 31st day of July, A. D. 1941. scribed above, from January 1. 1941 to listed trading privileges to twenty Notice is hereby given that a declara- the date of closing. less ao amount equal securities: and Mon or application (or both). has been to the total amount of all payments made After appropriate notice B. hearing filed with this Commission pursuant to by Hooster Public Utility Company to having been held In this matter in Chi- the Public Utility Holding Company Act Consolidated Electric and Gas Company cago, Blinois: and of 1935 by the above-named party or during the period from January 1. 1941 The Commission having this day made parties; and to the date of closing, representing divi- and filed Its findings and opinion herein; Notice la further given that any Inter- dends paid on the Common Stock of n to ordered. Pursuant to section 12 (f) ested person may, not Inter than August Hoomer Public Utility Company de- of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934, 15, 1941, at 4:45 p. m., E. 6, T., request scribed above, that the instant applications of such ex- the Commission In writing that B hear- The foregoing securities are now change be and the same are hereby ing be held on such matter, stating the pledged with the City National Bank and granted by the Commission permitting reasons for such request and the nature Trust Company of Chicago, Bucceasor the applicant exchange to extend un- of his Interest, or may request that he Trustee under the Collateral Trust In- listed trading privileges to the American be notified If the Commission should denture of Central Clas and Electric Radiator & Standard Sanitary Corpora- order a hearing thereon. At any time Company securing its Collateral Trust tion Common Stock, No Por Value, Ana- thereafter such declaration or applica- Bonds. due 1946, (assumed by Consoli- conda Copper Mining Company $50 Par tion, as filed or AE amended, may become dated Electric and Our Company). and Value Common Stock: Atchison, Topeka effective or may be granted, as provided the proceeds representing seld purchase & Santa Fe Railway Company $100 Par In Rule U-23 of the Rulea and Regula- price will be applied to acquire and re- Value Common Stock; Bethlehem Steel tions promulgated pursuant to said Act tire such Collateral Trust Bonds. Corporation Common Stock, No Par or the Commission may exempt such By the Commission. Value: Curtiss-Wright Corporation $1 transaction as provided in Rules U-20 Par Value Common Stock: General Elec- (SEAL] FRANCIS P. BRASSOR, (a) and U-100 thereof. Any such re- Secretary. the Company Common Stock, No Par quest should be addressed: Secretary, Value Interiake Iron Corporation Com- Securities and Exchange Commission, 17. k: Doc 41-5599; Filed any 31. 1941) mon Stock. No Par Value; Olenn L. Washington, D, C, 11:45 n. m.) Ro 140-5 Regraded Unclassified 91 Honorable Charles D. Henderson, Chairman of the Beard, Reconstruction Finance Corporation, Washington, D. C. Dear Mr. Hendersoni This will acknowledge the receipt of your letter of July 28, 1941, requesting that the sua of $12,000,000, referred to in the President's Allocation No. 31, be made available to the Reconstruction Finance Corporation. Since Allocation No. 31 was made against a 002- tract authorization rather than cash, it was necessary to request the Bureau of the Budget to make arrangements for an allecation of cash to carry out the agreement referred to in your letter. A copy of the Treasury's letter to the Bureau of the Budget is enclosed for your information and files. Very sincerely yours, (Signed) D. W. BELL Under Secretary of the Treasury. Enclosure EFB:mlm 8/1/41 in intello has complete Regraded Unclassified 92 Ky dear Mr. Smiths Under date of October 4. 1940, the President lossed allow cation No. 31 in the exemit of $12,000,000 to the Reconstruction Finance Corporation from his contrast authorization contained is the Military Appropriation Act of 1941, approved June 13, 1940, to cover transportation and storage expenses in connection with the establishment of a recerve supply of weel. There is enclosed herewith a letter from the Chairman of the Reconstruction Finance Corporation, dated July 28, 1941, No questing that arrangements be made for making the funds svail- able. In a telephone conversation today. the Reconstruction Pinance Corporation has indicated that approximately $4,000,000 has already been disbursed by the Defense Supplies Corporation and that the balance will be disbursed between this date and December 31, 1941, or thereabouts. It would be approciated, therefore, if arrangements should be made to have a cash allocation of $12,000,000 sale to the Reconstruction Finance Corporation for the parpose indicated. Regraded Unclassified 93 - 2 - In view of the fast that the funds of the Reconstruction Finance Corporation are not carried in the appropriation accounts upon the books of the Treasury, 11 10 suggested that the letter of allocation carry & provision reading substantially as fellows: "The allocation contained herein shall be made avail- able to the Reconstruction Pleasee Corporation through & check to be drawn on the Treasurer of the United States by the Chief Disbursing Officer, Division of Disbursement, upon requisition of the Chairman." Very truly years, (Signat) n W BELL Under Secretary of the Treasury Hemorable Harold D. Beith, Director of the Bureau of the Dudget, Washington, D. 0. Incleaure EFB;HBV 7/30/41 Regraded Unclassified 94 RECONSTRUCTION FINANCE CORPORATION WASHINGTON CHARLES B HENDERSON CHAIRMAN of THE BOARD July 28, 1941 My dear r. Secretary: Under aste of October 4, 1940, the President issued Allocation No. 31 in the amount of $12,000,000 to the Recon- struction Finance Corporation from his Contract Authorization contribed in the Military Approprintion Act of 1941, approved June 11, 1940. The purpose of this Allocation, as stated therein, is to provide for the establishment of adequate re- serve supplies of materials determined by the President to be essential to the national defense. Under date of October 4, 1940, the President by letter to the Federal Loan Administrator, copy of which is enclosed for your information, declared wool to be essential to the national defense and authorized the Administrator to provide for the establishment of an adequate reserve of this material. Under date of December 9, 1940, letters were exchanged between the American Charge d'Affaires ad interim at London and British Secretary of State for Forei Affairs, which letters constitute an acreement between the Government of the United states and the Government of the United Kingdom for 11 transportation and storage in the United States of 250,000,000 pounds of British-owned Australian wool as a Arteric reserve for the United States Government against ossible emergency phortage of wool supplies in this coun- try, The arreement, a copy of which is enclosed for your in- formation, provides that the Government of the United States, 17 in Agency acting in its behalf, shall be responsible for the trans ortation and storage of the nool in this country und 11 have en option to purchase such wool. Defence Supplies Corporation, which is a subsidiary of me Reconstruction Finance Corporation created pursuant to Section 5d of the Reconstruction Finance Corporation Act, as chind, has been desimated as the Agency to act on behalf of the United States Government in transporting and storing the wool ns provided in the agreement. Defense Supplies Corporation Regraded Unclassified 95 - 2 has made agreements with various steamship lines for the trans- portation of this material from Australia and has obtained ware- housing facilities in this country for its storage. Up to the present time all expenses incident to this transaction have been paid by Defense Supplies Corporation from its own funds, and it is essential that such Corporation be reimbursed immodiately for its expenditures in order that it may have funds available for carrying on its other activities. Likewise, additional funds must be made available 80 that future expenses arising in con- nection with the transportation and storage of such wool may be paid when and as they become due. In view of the above facts, you are hereby requested to take such action as may be necessary to make the funds provided for in the President's Allocation No. 31 available to Reconstruc- tion Finance Corporation as soon as possible. Sincerely yours, Chairman The Honorable The Secretary of the Treatly Washington, D. C. Regraded Unclassified 96 6 THE WHITE HOUSE WASHINGTON OCT 4 1940 My dear Mr. Administrator: Reference is made to the allocation of $12,000,000 from my Emergency Fund which I (contract have today approved to the Reconstruction Finance Corporation. authorization) This is to advise you that I have de- termined wool to be essential to the national defense, and you are, therefore, authorised to provide for the establishment of an adequate reserve of this material. Sincerely yours, Honorable Jesse Jones, Administrator, Federal Loan Agency, Washington, D. C. Regraded Unclassified 97 DEPARTMENT OF STATE For the Press December 10, 1940 No. 522 The following notes were exchanged between the American Charge d'Affaires ad interim at London and the British Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs on December 9, 1940, under which a strategic reserve of Australian wool 16 to be established in the United States. From the British Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs to the American Charge Affaires ad interim at London Foreign Office, S.W.one, 9th December, 1940 No. W11985/79/49 Bir: I have the honour to inform you that in order to enable the Government of the United States of America to establish in the United States a reserve of Australian wool against & possible cmergency shortage of wool supplies in the United Statos, the Government of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland are prepared to enter into an agreement with the Government of the United States in the following terms: (1) The Government of the United Kingdom shall make availablo to the United States Gov- ernmont (or an agency acting on its behalf) two hundred and fifty million pounds of Australian wool as a strategic roservo for the United States Government against a possible United Statos. The wool shall be transported omergency shortage of wool supplios in the to the United States where it shall be stored in bondod warehouscs. The Government of the OWNERSHIP United Kingdom shall rotain title to the wool, but All or any part of the wool may be purchased by the United Statos Government (or an agency aoting on its bohalf) for use in the United Statos or may be sold to the United States domostic trade, if and when it has been dotermined by the United Statos Government that an emergency chortago of weel oxists in the United States. (2) The Regraded Unclassified (2) The Government of the United Kingdom may withdraw wool from the reserve for ship- ment to the United Kingdom or other British territory in the case of emergency shortage of supplies in such territory, or in the contingency of an interruption of wool textile production in the United Kingdom for the manu- facture of textiles in the United States to meet United Kingdom emergency textile require- ments, provided that (a) replacements for wool 80 withdrawn are on the way to the United States and (b) at no time the total of the resorve in the United States 1s temporarily deploted by more than twenty per cent by such withdrawals. (3) At any time after the signing of a general armistice betwoon the United Kingdom and Germany, the Government of the United Kingdom shall be at liberty to dispose of the wool remaining in the reserve, but the United States Government and the Government of the United Kingdom shall consult together with & view to ensuring that the disposal of any such wool in the United States shall be effected under conditions which will avoid & dislocation of normal wool marketing there. (4) The wool for the reserve shall be made available by the Government of the United Kingdom f.o.b. at Australian ports, and the United States Government (diroctly or through an agoncy acting on ite bohalf) shall there- after accept responsibility for the safe custody of the wool and shall Day transport, handling, EXPENSES storago, insurance including war risk, and other charges in connexion with the cstablish- ment and maintonance of the wool roserve. Pay- monts shall be made betwoon the Unitod States Government and the Government of the United Kingdom on sale of wool from the rosorve to offset any savings socured by the Government of the United Kingdom owing to the wool having been transported to and stored in the United Statos by the United States Government and any loss incurred by the Government of the United Kingdom by reason of depreciation in the value of the wool stored in the United States as a result of deterioration of the wool or by roason of the position in which the wool is stored in the United Statos, provided that (a) in the case of salos in the United States no payment shall be Regraded Unclassified be made which would reduce the receipts by the Government of the United Kingdom for the wool 99 in ouestion below the amount which would have been received on sale f.o.b. Australia at the same date, and (b) in the case of sales out- side the United States any payments as between the two Governments shall not involve the Government of the United Kingdom in any net expenditure of United States dollars in respect thereof. (5) It is tentatively agreed that the 250,000,000 pounds of Australian wool which will be made available by the Government of the United Kingdom for the reserve shall be composed of the following: 270,000 bales of 58/60s of types normally imported into the United States and of good topmaking Bradford styles; 290,000 bales of 60s and finor of types normally imported into the United States and of good topmaking Bradford styles; 190,000 balos of 60s and finor of good to average Bradford styles; balance (to make up 250,000,000 pounds) of 60s and finor of average Bradford styles; two thirds of all the 60s and finer wools to consist of 64/60s. The counts are 8.8 normally understood in the United States. Although this tentative agreement on grades and typos 1s subject to modification following consultation between the two Governments after examination of samples of the wool by the United States authorities, it shall become definitive if the examination of samples indicates that the grades and types of wool included in the above mentioned general categorics are such that they could be roadily used in American mills with- out interruption of or delays in the production of the mills. It is understood that the Govern- ment of the United Kingdom in cstimating the quantities available for the reserve have provided for the retention of sufficient supplies in Austrolin to ensure that the commercial domand can be met. It is also understood that both the total quantity ostimeted to be available for the reservo after providing for salos abroad and shipments to the Unitod Kingdom, and the distribution by types and descriptions, have been based upon the results of the 1939-40 clip, and that should the rosults of the 1940-41 olip differ it may be nocessary to vary the supply for the reserve. (6) Space on established British shipping lines running between Australia and the United Statos shall be used for the transport of the wool 60 far ns available. The moolinill be asso available in Australia 8.9 rapidly as possible, provided that the sale of wool from Australin on commercial account or its shipment to the Vool Control in the United Kingdom or Canada shall 100 not be prejudiced, and every endeavour shall be made to complete the allocations in Australia by the end of March 1941. 2. If the Government of the United States are pre- pared to accept the foregoing provisions, I have the honour to propose that the present note and your reply to that effect be regarded as constituting an agreement between the two Governments which shall come into force immediately. I have the honour to be, with high consideration, Sir, your obedient servant, HALIFAX From the American Chargé d'Affaires ad interim at London to the British Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs London, December 9, 1940 No: 2662 My Lord: I have the honor to acknowledge the receipt of your note no, W11985/79/49 of December 9, 1940, in which Your Lordship is good enough to inform me that in order to enable the Government of the Unitod States of America to estAblish in the United States a rescrve of Australian wool against n. possible emergency shortage of wool sup- plics in the United States the Government of the United Kingdom of Gront Britsin and Northern Ircland is prepared to onter into nn agreement with the Government of the United States in the following terms: [(1) to (6) are identionl with those under the same numbers in the British note.] In reply to numbered paragraph two of Your Lordship's note, I have the honor to confirm under instructions of my Government that Your Lordship's statement of our under- standing P.S set forth above is agreed to by my Government and that the present exchange of notes is to be regarded 0.8 constituting on agreement between the two Governments which shall come into force immedintely. I have the honor to be, with the highest considera- tion, My Lord, your most obedient, humble servant, HERSCHEL V. JOHNSON Chargé d'Affaires ad interim Regraded Unclassified 101 TREASURY DEPARTMENT INTER OFFICE COMMUNICATION DATE August 1, 1941 TO Mr. White EmB. FROM 0. A. Eddy gae Subject: Summary and analysis of "A Deferred Income Plan." A proposal to help prevent inflation by increasing purchases of Government bonds out of individual and corporation incomes is being advocated by a long list of representative economists, including many who have been sympathetic to this administration. Essence is to neutralize some income till after emergency The gist of the plan is simply to divert more of the public's receipts of cash income into Government bonds, before the funds can compete for the limited supply of consumers' goods. The money will be returned for the public to spend after the defense period is ended. The statement advocates increased taxation in addition to these bond purchases. It says, however, that taxation alone will not suffice, since there must be incentives for business and workers to put forth the extra effort needed for defense, since the low-paid should be allowed to benefit from thair enlarged earnings, and since the whole burden cannot be borns by taxation on middle and upper incomes. Details left vague but need for compulsion is indicated The statement, which is only two pages long, offers the alternative of making the bond buying compulsory, or of leaving it voluntary. The former would be legislation requiring purchases in relation to individual incomes, on a progressive scale. This form of the proposal is fundamentally the same as Mr. Keynes' Compulsory Savings Plan. It is perhaps hoped that it will be more acceptable under the name of "Deferred Income," with no mention of Mr. Keynes. The voluntary arrangement, it is suggested, could+be a master pact between em- ployers and employees, supplemented by cooperation from independent business men and farmers. The statement expresses doubt that voluntary participation will be ade- quate. It believes that compulsion will be necessary. The statement contradicts itself concerning what income is intended to be neutralized in buying bonds. At some points it speaks of segregating in the Regraded Unclassified 102 - 2 form of bonds the increases in incomes due to armament expenditures. At others it speaks of making the bond purchases like a tax, affecting incomes much lower than the present personal income tax exemptions, and affecting larger incomes progressively. This would neutralize parts of all existing incomes, whether or not they were increased from their pre-war level. In at least three respects the proposed bonds differ from the present Savings Bonds: (1) It is apparently intended that they should not be redeem- able by the owners except in case of emergency. (2) They are to mature after the emergency rather than after 10 years. (3) No limit is mentioned on the amount which can be bought each year by individuals or companies. Nothing 1s said concerning the rate of interest. No details are given concerning the amounts which might be required to be purchased by persons in the different income brackets or concerning several other important points in any compulsory plan. Comments: 1. If the voluntary form of the proposal is chosen, it would differ only in detail from an intensification of the present Savings Bonds campaign. The bonds would differ in the three respects mentioned two paragraphs above, There might be more formal arrangements and more pressure for buying bonds. 2. The economists' statement does not contribute much to the critical question which the Treasury has been facing for a number of months, i.e., the degree of pressure which ought to be put behind the Savings Bond campaign. The proposal does not discuss or even mention the factors which have 80 far caused the adoption of a voluntary basis, such as: (a) the hardship of com- pulsion on some individuals who require all their income to cover their obli- gations; (b) the desirability of having persons emerging from the lowest income groups spend more money on food, housing, clothing, medical care, education, etc.; (o) the legal difficulties of compulsion, including the relation of income invested in Savings Bonds to the income tax; (d) the general desirability of voluntary cooperation over governmental coercion. Compulsion must be considered at much greater length than in this statement before it is adopted, rejected, or modified. 3. Although desirable above certain limits, it seems undesirable to urge all increases in income to be neutralized. The distribution of income is probably more socially equable now than it was in 1939 or 1940. The recom- mendation to neutralize all increases of incomes above the pre-defense-period level would prolong the advantageous relative position of those who were very well paid then and the disadvantageous position of those who were very poorly paid or unemployed then. Increases in current consumption should be allowed for those who have increased their income but are still in the very low income groups. Regraded Unclassified 30 103 Il PV 11 UNIVERSITY PAPENNSYLVANIA PHILADELPHIA Treasury Dept WHARTON SCHOOL OF FINANCE AND COMMERCE July 22, 1941 The Honorable Franklin D. Roosevelt Executive Offices Washington, D. C. Sir: I have the honor to submit herewith a memorandum on a proposed Deferred Income Plan for financing armament ex- penditures by means of compulsory savings. This document has been circulated among a select group of American economists and has received enthusiastic endorsement. Among the signers are five former presidents of the American Economic Association: F. A. Fetter, Irving Fisher, F. A. Mills, Wesley C. Mitchell, O.M.W. Sprague, and the current President of the American Statistical Association, Winfield V. Riefler. Attached is a complete list of signers of this memorandum. Respectfully yours, Hans P. Neisser (Age in Regraded Unclassified 104 A DEFERRED INCOME PLAN If serious inflationary disturbances are to be avoided in thio country, prompt and decisive action is urgently called for. The bases of the present crit- loal situation are as follows. The expansion of armament production results in a. colsiderable increase in money incomes of large classes of the population, primari- ly of workers and business men who directly or indirectly benefit from armament OT- dors. Desirable as it would be, the necessities of armament render it impossible to raise the average standard of living in proportion to the rise in money income, Indeed, WG shall be fortunate if average real income is not actually reduced as idle resources, human and material, are more and more absorbed into the defense ef- fort, and as some of the resources now devoted to civilian consumption are divorted to arrament purposes. Unless the proper steps are taken to prevent it, the impact of a sharply rising money income on B. limited or possibly declining volume of goods and services available for civilian consumption must inevitably bring about an inflationary rise in prices, which would deprive business men and workers of a very large part of the benefits from a rising money income, and would lay a heavy burden upon those groupe which are not able to increase their money income. Moreover, such an inflationary rise in prices would be likely to accentuate the danger of a severe post-armament depression, creating widespread misery among classes now benefited by the defense program. The logical solution for this situation would appear to be the introduc- tion of a Deferred Income Plan. The purpose of such a plan would be to neutralize, for the time being, the additional private purchasing power created by arrament ex- penditure, and to make the purchasing power available to the present owners in e later period when it might reasonably be expected to result in additional consump- tion, The essential features of such 8 plan would be: (a) The withdrawal of most of the current increase in incomes from the receivers of the income. (b) The transfer of the funds so withdrawn to the government, presumably by their conversion into government bonds. (0) Prohibition of the use of these bonds as collateral for bank loans except in case of personal emergency. (d) The transfer of the funds back to private hands and their release as purchasing power after the present arrament boom. done either by legislation alone or by a voluntary agreement between workers and Two methods for putting the plan into effect might be used; it could be business men, supplemented by legislative measures. In the first case, the plan would require loans from all recipients of net income above a minimum that should this be set at a much lower level than is provided in the present Federal income tax; loan would be graduated according to net income, and would be additional to taxes now or hereafter imposed. Regraded Unclassified 105 - 2 - AB an alternative to this compulsory method, a voluntary plan, embodying We same assential features, might be employed. Under the voluntary arrangement, 1 mater agreement between workers and business men is suggested, which would per- tain only to the current increase in purchasing power, and thus would not encroach upon the standard of living of those not benefiting from armument expenditures. The workers would contribute to the success of the plan by accepting payment in government bonds for a large part of their additional income from longer working hours, overtime pay, and riseu in the basic wage schedule. Business men would cake their contribution by investing their increased profits in government bonds, Likewise, farmers and other income receivers might be induced, perhaps by supple- mentary legislation, to buy government bonds out of any increase in net income ac- cruing to them. While a voluntary plan such as this would be preferable if it could be ride effective, the difficulty of securing adequate participation would be very great, and would probably make it necessary to rely on the compulsory solution. A deferred income plan such as is proposed here is the most satisfactory method of averting the danger of inflation. It does not imply that additional taxation can be avoided. But it is certain that taxation alone could not be re- lied upon to prevent inflation, To impose a 100% tax on additional profits would weaken the business man's incentive to effect economies in armament production. To tax away completely the increment in money incomos of the lower income classes without reimbursing them in the future would be a grave injustice to a class which, as a whole, has not yet attained an adequate standard of living, and might also un- dermine incentives to effective work on the defense program. To leave the lower income classes free from any new lovy while attempting to escape inflation would impose an unreason- able tax burden on the middle income classes, since it would be necessary to offset the increase in incomes in the lower brackets by a nearly equivalent reduction of incomes in the middle brack- ets, Such a reduction of the standard of living of the middle income classes is both impracticable and politically dangerous. It Would be impracticable because of the difficulty of effecting 80 sudden and BO substantial a reduction in the standard of liv- ing of the bulk of middle income receivers. Consequently, they would be likely to draw on reserves to maintain their standard of living, thus defeating for the time being the aim of limiting con- sumer purchasing power. It would be politically dangerous be- cause an attempt to lower drastically the standard of living of one class, at a time when the standard of certain other classes is rising sharply, could not fail to foster class antagonism and dis- rupt national unity. Without in any way prejudicing the case for additional taxation in other forms, the undersigned economists recommend that the Congress give immediate con- sideration to & plan of deferred income along lines indicated above, with a view to its early adoption. Regraded Unclassified 106 - 3 - E. E. Agger Rutgers University Bugen Altschul University of Minnesota James Weshington Bell Northwestern University Richard K. Bissell, Jr, Yale University Reymond T. Bowman University of Pennsylvania Elmer C, Bratt Lehigh University Mm. Adams Brown, Jr. Brown University Alfred G. Buehler University of Pennsylvania Arthur F. Burne Rutgers University Raymond T. Bye University of Pennsylvania William J. Carson University of Fennsylvania Lester V. Chandler Amheret College Denzel C. Cline Michigan State College Arthur G. Coono Claremont College M. X. Daugherty University of Delaware Joel Dean University of Chicago J, Frederic Dewhurst Twentieth Century Fund Walter Egle Ohio State University Howard S. Ellis University of California R. T. Ellaworth University of Cincinnati Solomon Fabricant National Bureau of Economic Research Elmer D. Fagan Stanford University Arthur Feiler New School of Social Research Frank À, Fetter Princeton University Olyde Olin Fisher Wesleyan University Irving Fisher Yale University H. LaRue Frain University of Pennsylvania Herbert F. Fraser Swarthmore College Paul 7. Gemmill University of Pennsylvania Frank D. Graham Princeton University Gottfried Hoberler Harvard University Erneat 5, Hahne Northwestern University C. O, Hardy Brookings Institution S. E, Harris Harvard University Edward Heimann New School for Social Research William V. Hewett University of Cincinnati Colvin B, Hoover Duke University M. H. Hunter University of Illinois Neil H. Jacoby University of Chicago Frank H. Knight University of Chicago Simon S. Kuznets University of Pennsylvania W. M. Leontief Harvard University Richard A, Lester Duke University Harry J. Loman University of Pennsylvania William 8, Loucks University of Pennsylvania Frits Machlup University of 3uffalo F. K. Mann Washington, D. C. James W. Martin University of Kentucky Edward S. Meson Harvard University Max Millikan Yale University Frederick 0. Mille Columbia University Regraded Unclassified 107 - 4 Wesley C. Mitchell Columbia University A. E. Monroe Harvard University Walter A. Morton University of Wisconsin Hans P. Neisser University of Pennsylvania Mabel Newcomer Vassar College E. G. Nourse Brookings Institution Eugene Oakes Yale University Ernest M. Patterson University of Pennsylvania S. Howard Patterson University of Pennsylvania W. C. Plummer University of Pennsylvania B. U. Ratchford Duke University Lloyd P. Rice Dartmouth College Winfield W. Riefler Institute for Advanced Studies R. G. Rodkey University of Michigan Karl Scholz University of Pennsylvania Elizabeth B. Schumpeter Cambridge, Mass. William J. Shultz College of City of New York Edward C. Simmons University of Michigan O.M.W. Sprague Harvard University J. Wilner Sundelson Rutgers University Paul Studenski New York University Willard L. Thorp Dun & Bradstreet Rufus S. Tucker General Motors Corporation Leonard L. Watkins University of Michigan J. Philip Vernette Harvard University Ray B. Westerfield Yale University K. M. Williamson Wesleyan University Charles R. Whittlesey University of Pennsylvania William Withers Queens College Ralph A. Young University of Pennsylvania St Ы 108 August 1, 1941 Herbert Gaston Secretary Morgenthau Please give me a report Monday on what has been done in regard to the President's request that we investigate various members of the OPM. Do we simply investigate people that they take on or do we investi- gate everybody as to their income taxes? Please lot me have & short report on just what we have been doing, how many men are working on it, how many reports they file with us, how many have been completed, and how many uncompleted reports we have on hand; also how many reports are turned out each week. You might make this up to the first of August, and from now on let me have & report on this once a month. Regraded Unclassified 109 ADDRESS THE COMMANDANT, M. 1. COAST GUARD AND ern TO No. TREASURY department UNITED STATES COAST GUARD HEADQUARTERS WASHINGTON 1 August, 1941. MEMORANDUM FOR: Secretary Morgenthan. 1. In accordance with your request there is appended hereto an analysis of Coast Guard Reservists in regard to number, ages, employment and experience. R. R. WAESCHE. 110 ANALYSIS OF COAST GUARD RESERVISTS Number in Service Number of Nautical Experience ( Rank or Grade as of 31 July, 1941 draft age Seagoing Small Craft None designed officers - Reg. 77 64 16 61 0 missioned officers - Temp. 26 6 5 21 0 def Warrant - Regular 0 0 o o 0 def Warrant - Temporary 3 0 1 2 0 arrant - Regular 1 1 0 1 0 trant - Temporary 15 6 4 10 1 listed - Regular 162 152 5 47 110 listed - - Temporary 48 25 4 44 0 Total 332 254 35 186 III FORMER EMPLOYMENT Comm. Comm. Chief Officers Officers Warrant Warrant Warrant Enlisted Enlisted Regular Temp. Тешр. Regular Temp. Regular Temp. Total an 30 11 3 41 10 95 erical 17 6 1 55 11 90 myer 4 3 1 2 10 riner 7 1 2 7 17 6 40 ilder 2 4 1 7 remist 2 2 Aborer 11 4 15 Tonsultant 1 1 Desctrician 1 2 2 5 Bacher 3 3 rvayor 3 1 4 to Driver 2 1 3 the Engineer 2 1 3 8 2 16 Redter 1 1 aterinarian 2 2 1 1 2 4 gger 1 1 2 umber 1 1 t Employed 2 3 1 16 9 31 Total 77 26 3 1 15 162 48 332 Regraded Unclassified 111 A candidate for appointment as B. commissioned officer - regular Reserve - must pass & written examination in Navigation, Seemanship, and English Composition, must have sufficient practical experience in the operation of motorboats or yachts or on seagoing vessels to justify the appointment, and in addition must be physically qualified. Exam- instions for chief warrant and warrant officers are comparable to the scopes for similar ranks in the regular Coast Guard, except that they do not include subjects peculiar to the Coast Guard. Temporary commissioned and warrant officers are appointed on the recommendation of District Commanders from members of the Auxiliary whose boats are offered and accepted by the Coast Guard. Enlistments, regular and temporary, are made by District Commanders in ratings dependent on experience and ability of the applicant. Regular members of the Reserve are exempt by law from training and service under the Selective Service and Training Act. Temporary members are not exempt from such training. - 2 - Regraded Unclassified 112 CONFIDENTIAL UNITED STATES SAVINGS BONDS Sales since May 1, 1941, by Months On Basis of Issue Price (In thousands of dollars) : : : : Item : Total : May : June : July : : : : Series I - Post Offices $ 134,183 $ 42,836 $ 40,788 $ 50,558 Series 3 - Banke 214,190 57,745 61,729 94,717 ( Series E - Total 348,373 100,581 102,517 145,274 Series 7 - Banks 94,052 37,817 28,876 27,359 Series G - Banks 564,053 211,420 183,134 169,498 Total $1,006,477 $349,818 $314,527 $342,132 Office of the Secretary of the Treasury, August 1, 1941. Division of Research and Statistics. Source: All figures are deposits with the Treasurer of the United States on account of proceeds of sales of United States Savings Bonds. Note: Figures have been rounded to nearest thousand and will not necessarily add to totals. Regraded Unclassified MR. GRAVES' OFFICE TO 113 SS CHAUNCEY: In accordance with your in- structions of yesterday, I have asked the Defense Savings people to discontinue the daily reports on the post card requests for copies of "Any Bonds To-Day?" Do you want the reports on the daily stamp sales at "Treasury House" to continue? MFF 8/2 8/4/41 I asked Mr. Morgenthau today whether K wanted the daily stamp sales "Treasury House" to continue, and he said that he did for a while. I so informed Miss Finucane. Mrs. McHugh Regraded Uncla 114 TREASURY department WASHINGTON August 1, 1941 Memorandum for THE SECRETARY: The following report is made of Stamp sales at "Treasury House": July 1-30 $22,494.75 July 31 1,190.15 Total $23,684.90 GRAVES Regraded Unclassified 115 C o P Y DEPARTMENT OF STATE WASHINGTON In reply refer to EA August 1, 1941. My dear Mr. Secretary: I enclose two copies of telegram No. 3319, dated July 31, 1941, from the American Embassy at London, containing a personal and strictly confidential message for you from Ambassador Winant. Sincerely yours, (Signed) Herbert Feis Herbert Feis Adviser on International Economic Affairs Enclosure: From Embassy, London, No. 3319, July 31, 1941. The Honorable Henry Morgenthau, Jr., Secretary of the Treasury, Washington, D. C. COPY - dm - 8/1/41 Regraded Unclassified 116 C 0 P Y GRAY London Dated July 31, 1941 Rec'd. 12:35 p.m. Secretary of State, Washington. 3319, July 31, 6 p.m. PERSONAL AND CONFIDENTIAL TO ACTING SECRETARY FOR SECRETARY MORGENTHAU. In reference to my telegram 3310, July 31 I think you should know that accompanying the official copy of the statement from the Chancellor I have received the enclosed letter. "I enclose copies of the statement which we discussed this morning. I assume that unless you have any further suggestions to make you will telegraph the text to Washington and will ascertain if it is satisfactory to the President. The change in our export policy will require the issue and publication of orders by the Board of Trade and they naturally would like to know as quickly as possible if they are to go ahead on the basis of the statement. They would like if possible to make the necessary orders at the beginning of next week. Regraded Unclassified 117 - 2 - Should therefore be grateful if you would let me know as soon as you can the result of any communication that you send to Washington. In connection with the Board of Trade orders it will be necessary for them to publish an explanation of the new arrangements. They suggest that if you see no objection they should use for this purpose the text of the paragraphs in the enclosed memorandum which deal with export policy. You will no doubt let me know how it is proposed to use the memorandum. Signed Kingsley Wood." WINANT. RR Copy:alm 8-1-41 mew 118 achnawholged by Sery. 8/15/41- London, August 1, 1941. Dear Mr. Secretary, I am sending you herewith a copy of "Hansard" for July.29th containing the Prime Minister's speech in the debate in the House of Commons on production. I thought you would like to have a copy sent to you direct. Sincerely yours, you a. winnint The Honorable Henry Morganthau, Jr., Secretary of the Treasury, Washington, D. C. noted by smort and nett 111/4/41 Regraded Unclassified COL. 1275119 Volume 373 Tuesday No. 91 29th July, 1941 PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES HOUSE OF COMMONS OFFICIAL REPORT Contents QUESTIONS TO MINISTERS. SUPPLY (17th ALLOTTED DAY]: Considered in Committee : Ministry of Supply : Production. ROYAL ASSENT TO BILLS PASSED. LONDON: PRINTED AND PUBLISHED BY HIS MAJESTY'S STATIONERY OFFICE To be purchased in the marmer indicated on the back of this wrapper Price Sixpence net Regraded Unclassified Private Business 29 JULY 1941 Oral Answers 1226 1225 Mr. Levy: Does the Minister realise the HOUSE OF COMMONS. seriousness of this situation? No in- Tuesday. egth July, 1941, formation has been received by this com- pany that the notification was wrongly interpreted. Does the Minister realise OFFICIAL REPORT. that the chaotic situation is casting a very grave reflection upon the Government as as whole, apart from that which is cast upon his Department, which is utterly [Mr. SPEAKER in the Chair.] incompetent? Mr. Grenfell: I do not know that I am PRIVATE BUSINESS. inclined to argue the latter part of the hon. Gentleman's supplementary question. CARDIFF CORPORATION BILL [Lords]. No doubt the company have had a sub- Read the Third time, and passed, with- stantial quantity of coal in stock, and out Amendment. now they will receive coal according to the full measure of their requirements. EAST WORCESTERSHIRE WATER BILL [Lords]. Mr. Levy: Have the company been in- As amended, considered. formed that the notification was wrongly interpreted and that they will receive coal, Ordered. in order to prevent anxiety among their That Standing Orders 240 and 262 be men? Otherwise, the company may have surgended. and that the Bill be now read the to close down. Third time."-{The Chairman of Ways and Means.] Mr. Grenfell: Full supplies are going Bill accordingly read the Third time, forward. and passed, with Amendments. 8. Mr. Culverwell asked the Secretary for Mines whether he is satisfied that all public utility undertakings will have ORAL ANSWERS TO enough coal with which to carry on QUESTIONS. during the next six weeks? Mr. Grenfell: I cannot give, an absolute COAL INDUSTRY. guarantee that all public utility undertak- ings can be supplied with coal enough for SUPPLIES. the next six weeks. The average amount I. Mr. Levy asked the Secretary for of coal in stock by public utility under- Mines whether he is aware that a noti- takings, gas, electricity and water, runs fication has been sent to the Elland Dyeing to about six weeks' supply at the summer Company, Limited, stating that they will rate of consumption, but these stocks are not receive any further supply of coal for not evenly distributed and there are a the next eight weeks, and as they have number of them which do not hold a fort- not sufficient stocks to last for that period, night's stock at the present time. There they will have to close their works, has been a marked increase in the rate of although engaged on Government work stocking by public utilities-notably gas and a protected firm: and what action he works-in the past few weeks. proposes to take to prevent this situation occurring? Mr. Culverwell: Is not the Minister The Secretary for Mines (Mr. David aware that some of these public utilities Grenfell): In order to provide coal have only a few days' supply, and will he not take drastic action to save them urgently needed for public utility under- takings certain collieries were instructed from having to close down? to reduce for a time deliveries to con- Mr. Grenfell: This situation has, un- sumers of lower priority. In the particu- lar case in question these instructions were fortunately, been in existence for many months throughout last winter, but no wrongly interpreted to mean complete undertaking of any kind has stopped for suspension but the mistake has already been corrected. want of coal since the beginning of the war. No. 91 A Regraded Unclassifie Oral Answers HOUSE OF COMMONS Oral Ansure 1227 Mr. Shinwell: If the supply of coal is Sir W, Davison: Will some of this come not evenly distributed as my hon. Friend to Chelsea? has said, who is responsible for the Mr. Grenfell: I hope so. present situation? Mr. Grenfell: It is impossible to convey II, Major-General Sir Alfred Knox coal in the desired quantities to the asked the Secretary for Mines when & various parts of the country. We are sufficient supply of house coal will be now trying to make good in those places made available in the Easthampstead and where the stocks are lowest, and 1 hope Wokingham rural districts of the county to be able to report very shortly that of Berkshire? places with only a few weeks' stocks have Mr. Grenfell: From the information in been raised to a level commensurate with my possession., I can assure the hon. and other parts of the country. gallant Member that during recent months IO. Sir William Davison asked the Berkshire has not suffered unduly as a Secretary for Mines whether he has con- result of the reduction in available sidered a communication from the town supplies of house coal. The tunnage held clerk of Chelsea pointing out the likeli- in stock by the merchants in May com. hood of a serious shortage of coal in parés favourably with the corresponding Cholsea during the coming winter months figures for previous months this year. and by reason of the failure of his Depart- disposals during the past three months ment to supply any coal during recent have exceeded the figures for the corres months. notwithstanding the fact that, ponding period of last year. So far as at the request of the Ministry, ample I am aware, sufficient coal has been avail. storage accommodation approved by able in the Easthampstend and Woking- them was provided so that coal might be ham districts to meet current require- available during the coming winter for ments. The future position will naturally persons who had no facilities for storing depend on the results of our continuing it themsolves; and whether immediate efforts to increase production steps will be taken to supply the coal reserve promised to Chelsea over five Sir A. Knox: Does the hon Gentleman agree that while the coal now being sup- months ago? nlied is sufficient for current requirements Mr. Grenfell: I am sending the hon. in the summer months, no reserve H Member a copy of the reply to the letter being built up for the winter, which will from the town clerk of Chelsea. The be infinitely more difficult than last delay in increasing stöcks in this and winter, because people who want a lot other localities is of course due to the of coal and have not been able to acquire general shortage of supplies. A site has stocks will then come into the market? been acquired at St. Mark's College, Chelsea. and I hope it will be possible Mr. Grenfell: There are stocks. equal before long to provide coal for it. to-and in some cases better than-those of a year ago. We are not, however, Sir W. Davison: Is my bon, Friend satisfied: we want more coal in stock, and aware that the facts as stated in the Ques- if we can gét more production, stocks will then are vonched for by the town clerk in be correspondingly raised. a recent report, and is he aware that the pursons for whom the coal is required are Sir John Mellor: Were not these dis persons who have no storage accommoda- tricts formerly supplied by the Tiunworth tion in their homes? Colliery, and should not my hort. Friend Mr. Grenfell: It is because I am so be now considering the reopening of that anxious about the people who have no colliery? storage accommodation in their homes Mr. Speaker: That does not nrive on that I have madè provision for the stock- this Question. mg of 3,000,000 tons on Government account. There are now about one and PIT-HEAD CANTEENS. one-third million tons on Government 2. Mr. T. Smith asked the Secretary account, particularly for the people who for Mines whether any additional money have no stocking accommodation of their is to be made available for the provision own. of canteens at the various collieries? Onl Answers 20 JULY 1941 Oral Antern razo 123V Mr. Grentell: I would refer my hon. them to lose two shifts, because he alleged Friend to the statement 1 made on this they were to seconds too late; that this subject in the House last Thursday. The allegation is denied; and what action he matter is being pressed, and the necessary intends to take against the coal company? legal amendments are being undertaken as Mr. Grenfell: I have made inquiries snon AM possible. and am informed that the circumstances Mr. Smith: Is it intended to get this have been considered by the pit produc- money? WID my hon. Friend see to this tion committee, which has endorsed the matter and do his best to get the money action of the manager. If my hon. Friend as quickly as possible? has any further information on the matter, Mr. Grenfell: I rely very largely upon [ shall be glad to discuss the question with him. the committee, the chairman of which is : Member of this House. I am sure the Mr. Sloan: Will the Minister please committee is keen to do what it can, and answer the Question whether he is aware If has the full confidence of my Depart- that a violation has taken place of the ment. Essential Work Order, which gives em- ployers no power whatever to suspend or Mr. Smith: Will the money have to be dismiss men for absentecism? (ound by this House? Mr. Grenfell: The answer I gave was Mr. Grenfell: It will not. that I made inquiries of the pit production committee because the committee is re- OUTPUT. sponsible for the decision taken. Mr. T. Smith asked the Secretary for Mines what co-operation exists between the Mr. Sloan: Is the Minister aware that Cost l'mduction Council and the area the only person who has power to deal committers of the Ministry of Information with the matter is the district officer, who with regard to the appeals made to mine- has never been called into question; and workers for a maximum coal output? is he further aware that the pit production committee was not appointed by the men Mr. Grenfell: In order to further the at that colliery: appeals for maximum output, every effort NE made to maintain close co-operation Mr. Grenfell: I hope my hon. Friend between the Codl Production Council and will give me the facts privately, and I Its district production committees on the will see what I can do. 1 did not know hand and the Ministry of Information those things at all, organisation throughout the country on the Mr. Sloan: Very good, 1 will do so, other. both through the Ministry's head- quarters in Lendon and its regional infor- BONUS ATTENDANCE PAYMENT. mation officors." 6. Mr. Tinker asked the Secretary for Mr. Smith: Is my hon, Friend aware Mines whether he is aware of the resolu- that there la DO co-operation? Is he aware tion carried at the Miners' Conference last that in Yorkshire the Coal Production week protesting at the conditions applying Council has been fixing a meeting and that to the bonus attendance payment: and the Minister of Information did the same what steps his Department are taking on in the same place and within days of this question so as to bring about a more each other, without any consultation? Is satisfactory settlement? that not a waste of organisation power, and ought there not to be the closest Mr. Grenfell: I am aware of the reso- in-operation? lution calling upon the Executive Com- mittee of the Mineworkers' Federation of VOLQUBAIRN COLLIERY, DRONGAN, Great Britain to take this question up with 5. Mr. Sloan asked the Secretary for representatives of the colliery owners; I understand that a meeting between the Mines whether he is aware that, on 25th Jone, 1941, the manager of Polquhairn parties for this purpose has been arranged. Colliery, Drongan, contrary to the Essen- Mr. Tinker: Will the Minister not use tial Work Order, prevented two workmen his good influence to impress upon coal- unmed Logan and Dungavel from pro- owners that they should not be too hard? comling to their work. thereby causing Is be aware there is some feeling among No 91 At Regraded Unclassified 1231 Onl Anzwers HOUSE OF COMMONS Oral Answers [Mr. Tinker Mr. Oliver: What power exists to deal lega the miners at what is happening and that with cases of this kind? If it could be removed, a. better spirit would prevail? Mr. Grenfell: There are very extensive Mr. Grenfell: I would like to see con- powers. If my hon. Friend can prove that an attempt was made to limit the ciliation adopted by both sides in order production of coal in war-time, I have that a better spirit should prevail and im- power enough to deal with the matter. proved production result. Mr. James Griffiths: Will the Minister Mr. Oliver: I will see that the Minister has the information. make now efforts in this matter? Mr. Grenfell: I hope it will be discussed PETROL RATIONING, at the next meeting. 12. Sir Waldron Smithers asked the Mr. McGovern: Has not the Mine- Secretary for Petroleum whether he will workers' Federation agreed about this give the reasons why it is necessary to run matter? motor boats and motor cars in order that they shall be ready for use if and when MINE ACCIDENTS. required for work of national importance? 7. Mr. Tinker asked the Secretary for Mines whether his attention has been The Secretary for Petroleum (Mr. drawn to the number of accidents at the Geoffrey Lloyd): As I informed the hon coal face being on the increase in pro- Member on 22nd June, there are a number portion to the number of men employed of considerations of which the point he there: and whether be will cause a special refers to is one. Unless boats and cars are maintained in service, it cannot be investigation to be made to find out whether it is due to the excessive noise expected that they should be in readiness caused through machinery which prevents for immediate use should they be needed the miner from sensing the danger which for work of national importance. he would otherwise do? Sir W. Smithers: While appreciating to Mr. Grenfell: I have to staté with régrét the full the wonderful service given at that the rate of fatal accidents at the coal Dunkirk and elsewhere by these boats. face bad gone up since the war. I have would it not be quite sufficient if motor cars and motor bonts which are not abso been in consultation with the inspectors on a number of occasions and am unable Intely necessary were turned over for to to satisfy oryself that we have found an or 15 minutes a week and thus kept in explanation of the cause of increase good running order? There ATV a number of factors operating Communder Sir Archibald Southbyp with greater effect in war time which con- Is my hon. Friend aware that many of tribute to the higher number of deaths. the people who use these motor cars and A similar result was observed in 1914-1918, motor boats are officers and men from 1 am proceeding with close investigations the Forces, home on leave and getting a and will give the House fuller information little very much needed relaxation? when we return after the Recess. UNWORKED PROFITABLE SEAMS. TRADE AND COMMERCE. 9. Mr. Oliver asked the Secretary COTTON TEXTILE EXPORTS TO UNITED for Mines whether his attention has been STATES, drawn to the fact that in some mines the more profitable seams are not now being 13. Mr. Stokes asked the President of worked in favour of the less profitable the Board of Trade, on what grounds it seams not normally in production, result- has been decided to be necessary to coll' ing in a loss of output; and whether he tinue the export of cotton goods and tex can make any statement on the matter? tiles to the United States of America Mr. Grenfell: I am not aware of the where there is already 1k. sufficiency of practice referred to by the hon. Member. clothing? If he has actual cases in mind, I shall Mr. Hareourt Johnstone (Secretory be glad to have particulars, in order that Department of Overseas Trade): Our need inquiries may be made. for dollars is very great. and it is essential Regraded Unclassified Oral Answers 29 JULY 1941 1233 Oral Amougra 1234 that We should make the fullest use we Mr. Edwards: Does the hon. and can of the export capacity which we still gallant Gentleman not realise that what- possess, without interfering with essential ever modifications are made, there will home requirements. still be a shortage of coupons for children Mr. Stokes: WIII the hon. Gentleman going to school? way how he reconciles this statement with Captain Waterhouse: Already small President Roosevelt's advice to his children get an advantage in the list countrymen to cut out the dollar sign which has been Issued. and there will be and forget the financial nonsense," and special provision made for growing will he also ay why he has considered it children, but We do not contemplate pro- advisable to export clothing from this vision for large school outfits. country, where We have too little, to America, where they have too much? Sir Joseph Lamb: Can the hon, and gallant Gentleman say what children are Mr. Johnstone: I do not think those not growing? points call for a reply. Whatever my hon Friend may say, the Trensury's need 23. Mr. Henry Strouss asked the Presi- for dollars is still very great. and if the dent of the Board of Trade whether any United States wish to buy clothes which decision has yet been arrived at with we can manufacture and which are super- regard to an extra issue of clothing Andus to our bare requirements, there is coupons to expectant mothers to meet no reason why they should not be their special needs for knitting wool and other materials? exported. Mr. Shinwell: Is it not the case that we Captain Waterhouse: Yes, Sir. The are producing manufactured goods out of Board of Trade; in consultation with the raw materials supplied by the United Ministry of Health, the Scottish Depart- States of America? Is that why? ment of Health and the Northern Ireland Ministry of Home Affairs have secured Mr. Johnstone: No. Sir: the co-operation of the local authorities for maternity and child welfare in issuing Mr. Shinwell: Are we not producing a special allowance of 5º coupons to cotton goods from American cotton? expectant mothers. The schome will Mr. Johnstone: No, Sir. come into force on 5th August, and full details will be published in the Press CLOTHES RATIONING. to-morrow. LA. Mr. A. Edwards asked the Presi- EXPORT TRADE. dent of the Board of Trade whether he 15. Mr. Hannah asked the President of is aware that a boy's school outfit requires the Board of Trade whether he is satisfied 200 coupons which, in most cases, it is with the state of our export trade, quite impossible to provide; and what especially in view of markets after the steps he proposes to take to remedy this war? anomaly? Mr. Johnstone: My right hon, Friend The Parliamentary Secretary to the is never satisfied with the state of our Board of Trade (Captain Waterhouse): export trade, and he is very conscious I would refer the hon. Member to the that war conditions make it impossible Reply which I gave to the hon. Member to cultivate our overseas markets as much for Pontypridd (Mr. Pearson) on 18th as we should wish. But my bon. Friend June. can be assured that the considerations he Mr. Edwards: Will the hon. and gallant mentions are being kept in mind. Gentleman not say what steps he will Mr. Hannah: Does the Government take to deal with this? The Answer realise the supreme. enormous, colossal referred to does not state what steps are and overwhelming need of looking after being taken. our export trade, especially when peace is Captain Waterhouse: It is hoped that restored? schools will modify their, in many cases, WINDOW AND PLATE GLASS INDUSTRY. unreasonable requirements to bring them 18. Mr. Moreus Samuel asked the Pre- into line with present possibilities. sident of the Board of Trade, whether be Regraded Unclassified 1235 Oral Answers HOUSE OF COMMONS Oral Animals Lage (Mr. Samuel] he will furnish figures. comparable to is planning for the establishment of the those given to illustrate the saving in ship window and plate klass industry on 13. ping space achievable by eating less OF large scale so that this country may not different kinds of bread, showing how be dependent on foreign imports to repair much shipping space could be saved for damage after the war, and to supply our every to per cent. reduction in the imports own needs and give employment? of tobacco generally and of American Captain Waterhouse: I can assure my tobacco in particular? hon. Friend that the importance of this industry is not being overlooked. Captain Waterhouse: Publication of details relating to trade statistics has been Mr. Samuel: Is the hon. and gallant suspended since the outbreak of hostili. Genileman aware that there might be a ties. I cannot therefore give a figure certain amount of broken glass in Ger- which would indicate the rate of import many? of any commodity, SMALL TRADERS. Miss Rathbone: Is my hon. and gallant 31) and 20. Mr. Doland asked the Friend aware that present propaganda President of the Board of Trade (1) about tobacco is most unsatisfactory, that whether, in view of the questionnaire is- the appeal to the tobacco consumers to It:- sued by the committee set up by the Board duce their consumption for a few weeks of Trade, particularly in view of one of only, by one-fifth only, is unsatisfactory, the 24 questions which asks trade asso- first, because patriotic smokers have all clations if they consider that steps should ready reduced their consumption by far be taken to reduce the number of shops, it more than one-fifth and, secondly, that is the policy of the Government to en- they would be ready to reduce it far more deavour to eliminate a large number of than that if they had reason to suppose it small shops in London and the country to be necessaty-Interuption.]-May! either by voluntary or compulsory means; not ask for a reply? (2) whether he is aware that owing primarily to the incidence of war 94% Mr. Speaker: The bon. Lady is giving shops are empty in the borough of the answer to her own Question. Wandsworth, compared with 308 as at Miss Rathbone: In view of the unsativo March, 1939: and will he bear in mind this wholesale closing of small businesses factory nature of the Reply, 1 beg to give notice that I intend to raise the matter all over the country causing great hard- ship to thousands of persons, when con- on the Adjournment. sidering Regislation regarding the retail trading community? GOVERNMENT DEPARTMENTS. Captain Waterhouse: The Board of Trade are aware that largely owing to BOARD OF TRADE (STAFF). war circumstances a number of shops 17. Sir Percy Hurd asked the President have had to close, and that hardship has of the Board of Trade whether, in view in some cases inevitably resulted. The of the urgent call of the Secretary of State Retail Trade Committee, who drew up the for War and other Ministers for recruit questionnaire to which my hon. Friend for war services, he will issue an instruc- refers. was set up to examine the tion to his Department that eligible men numerous and complex problems con- and women whose age groups have been fronting retail traders, and I cannot anti- or are being called up shall not be taken cipate their findings, I can, however, as- into or kept in employment in rationing sure my hon. Friend that the interests of or other departmental activities unless the small shopkeeper have not been, they are especially certified by him to be and will not be, overlooked, and I would refer him to the statement made on 13th irreplaceable? May when the appointment of this Com- Captain Waterhouse: The retention at mittee was announced. permanent staff and the recruitment and retention of the temporary staff of the TOBACCO IMPORTS. Board of Trade are in compliance with 21. Miss Eleunor Rathbone asked the the conditions prescribed in the Schedule President of the Board of Trade whether of Reserved Occupations and Protected Regraded Unclassified Oral Answere 29 JULY 1941 Onl Answers 1747 Work Requests for deferment of calling- factory: I did ay I thought that an im- up have only been made for certain tem- provement was taking place and that, porary officers with professional or other given a chance, this matter would be got specialist qualifications essential for their right. work who cannot be replaced. This con- KENNET COMMITTRE. dition will continue to be strictly 62. Sir P. Hurd asked the Financial Sec- observed. retary to the Treasury whether, seeing the large number of eligible men and women Sir P. Hurd: Is the hon. and gallant whose age groups have been called up who Gentleman aware that there is consider- are being retained in the various Depart- able resentment among those who have ments of the Government, he will request been called up, often at great personal the Kennet Committee to consider the los. that there should be retained in feasibility of calling up all these men and Departments like his men and women women unless they are certified by the who could easily be replaced if the effort Minister concerned to be irreplaceable in were made? the Department? Captain Waterhouse: I can assure the hon. Member that we do not retain people The Financial Secretary to the Treasury who could easily be replaced-ever. (Captain Crookshank): I will, with my hon, Friend's permission, answer this An Hon. Member: What about the Question and No. 59 together. President of the Board? Sir P. Hurd: Question No. 59 has been 17. Mr. Glenvil Hall asked the Presi- deferred. dent of the Board of Trade the number of the staffs engaged on work in Bourne- Captain Crookshank: The answer is the mouth connected with the clothes ration- same, anyhow. The Kennet Committee life, woven textiles, miscellaneous trades yesterday submitted an interim report to ordere, and concentration of production: my right hon. Friends the Chancellor of what proportion is composed of perma- the Exchequer and the Minister of Labour. mut civil servants: and whether he is Perhaps my hon. Friend would wait until satisfied that the Department there is my right hon. Friends have had an oppor- working smoothly and with efficiency? tunity of considering it. Captain Waterhouse: The total number Sir P. Hard: How long does my right of staff of all grades, including minor hon. and gallant Friend think ft will be common services staff, employed in the before we see this interim report? Board of Trade offices at Bournemouth Captain Crookshank: If my hon. Friend on these duties is 943 of whom 208 or wants to know whether It will be pub- 22 per cent. are permanent civil servants. lished. I should like to have notice of that There are many problems inherent in these new duties, and I am satisfied that Question. I should not think it would. the Department is doing its utmest to overcome the initial difficulties. NATIONAL FINANCE. Mr. Hall: Is the hon. and gallant Gentleman aware that the public, at any PURCHASE TAX (MINERS' LAMPS), rate. are not satisfied that these four 22. Mr. Gordon Macdonald asked the hotels are being properly run and that a President of the Board of Trade whether very large number of complaints are he will consider, at an early date, removal made that the whole thing appears to be or the reduction of the Purchase Tax on in a most chaotic condition? Would the acetylene lamps used in coalmining? President of the Board of Trade have Inquiry made? The Chancellor of the Exchequer (Sir Kingsley Wood) I have been asked to Captain Waterhouse: I do not think reply. I would refer my hon. Friend to there is a case for inquiry at all. We are the answer which I gave to a similar well aware of the difficulties which are question by my hon. Friend the Member inherent in the position. I did not say 1 for West Fife (Mr. Gallacher) on 3rd thought the position was perfectly satis- December last, Regraded Unclassified Oral Answers HOUSE OF COMMONS Oral Answers 1239 1240 Mr. Macdonald: Does the Chancellor Sir K. Wood: Yes, Sir. My noble realise that the present position is, that Friend consulted the before agreeing to lamps provided by a colliery company are the increased charges referred to, The free of tax, whereas lamps acquired by the matter was fully examined in relation to men themselves are subject to tax, and the policy which I announced in my will he take steps to remove that anomaly Budget speech, and in view of the extent and sec that such lamps are free of tax? to which essential goods are now imported on Government account, I am satisfied Sir K. Wood: I would like to discuss that the increased charges will not be that with the hon. Member. I dare say reflected in the prices of such goods to the be knows the difficulty there is in restrict- consumer. There is, therefore, no conflict ing the concession to the types used in the with the policy of the Government. industry. Mr. Edwards: Is the Chancellor not Sir Herbert Williams: Does not my aware that when he puts up the prices of right hon, Friend realise that the Purchase these goods he must put up the cost of Tax is the main element in the spiral? goods to the Government? Is it not im ELECTRICITY CHARGES. possible to stabilise prices if this method of increasing prices of all these commodi 54. Mr. A. Edwards asked the Chancel- ties is continued? for of the Exchequer whether he is aware that the cost of electric power has been Sir K. Wood: That is a general matter. increased by 40 per cent. due to increases I have confined myself to the Reply I in cost of coal; that the effect of this is to have given, which deals with a specific inflate the cost of nearly every commodity case, purchased by the Government: and at ADVERTISEMENT POSTERS. what date be proposes to carry out his undertaking to subsidise rising costs of 57- Captain John Dugdale asked the coal-power, &c., in order to stabilise Chancellor of the Exchequer whether. in prices and wages? view of the adverse effect that they have upon the National Savings Campaign, he Sir K. Wood: My noble Friend the will take steps to prohibit, for the dura- Minister of Wor Transport is not aware tion of the war, the display of advertise- of any general increase to the extent indi- ments upon hoardings throughout the cated, but he will ask the Electricity Com- country calling upon people to spend missioners to look into any particular money upon the purchase of proprietary cases which my hon. Friend has in mind. articles? Among the uneasures taken in relation to the charges of public utility undertakings, Sir K. Wood: No, Sir. Private adver- the Commissioners have informed all elec- tising upon hoardings is already subject tricity undertakers that no further in- to very severe and increasing restrictions creases in electricity charges, other than by the Paper Controller and in other increases already announced, should be ways, and I am satisfied that the National made without the undertakers first sub- Savings Campaign will not be adversely mitting their proposals to the Commis- affected by leaving the position as it is. sioners with necessary supporting data so that the Minister may have an opportunity Captain Dugdale: Does not the right of considering the position. hon. Gentleman consider it unfortunate that posters encouraging people to spend MERSEY DOCKS AND HARBOUR BOARD should be placed side by side with the (CHARGES). posters of his Department which CF 55- Mr. A. Edwards asked the Chancel- courage people to save? lor of the Exchequer whether he is aware that the Ministry of War Transport has sanctioned an increase of 60 per cent. in ECONOMIC WARFARE, the Mersey Docks and Harbour Board's town dues and dock rates as from 2nd SPAIN (SUPPLY SHIPS). July; and, as this is in conflict with the Economic Warfare whether, in view of 25. Mr. Mander asked the Minister of policy of the Government, what steps he is taking to prevent a consequent increase in the recent attack on the democrácios the cost of many Government purchases? made by General Franco, it is proposed Regraded Unclassifie Oral Answers 29 JULY 1941 Oral Answers 1042 1241 to continue to permit the passage of vigilance in order that nothing will reach supply ships through the British blockade Spain which would increase General to Spain? Franco's power to go to Wor against us? The Minister of Economic Worfare (Mr. Mr. Dalton: Yes, Sir. Datton): 1 would remind my hon. Friend of the Reply which be received on Thurs- Mr. Garro Jones: As General Franco day last from my right hon. Friend the does not appear to understand the posi- Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs. tion and intentions of the British Govern- My right hon. Friend referred to my state- ment, and the British Government do not ment of 30th July, 1940, when I laid it appear to understand the intentions of down that it was not the policy of His General Franco- Majesty's Government to extend the blockade to neutral countries 50 long as Mr. Speaker rose- supplies could reach these countries with- out the risk of falling into the hands of CONTROL OF EXPORTS [GREAT BRITAIN the enemy, that we were prepared to AND UNITED STATES), grant navicerts on such a scale as to allow imports adequate for domestic consump- 26. Mr. Mander asked the Minister of tion. and, further, that it was the policy Economic Warfare to what extent progress of His Majesty's Government not merely has been made as between Grest Britain to allow such supplies to pass through and the United States of America in pro- our controls, but also to assist neutral ducing an agreed black list of traders? countries to obtain them. As regards General Franco's speech on 17th July, Mr. Dalton: By a proclamation dated my right hon. Friend pointed out that 17th July, President Roosevelt has this speech displayed complete misunder- authorised the preparation of a Proclaimed standing of the general war situation, and List similar to our own Statutory List. also of British economic policy towards This Proclaimed List is to include persons Spain. He added that this speech made who are believed to be engaged in activi- it appear that General Franco did not ties helpful to Germany or Italy, and desire further economic assistance for his persons to whom the exportation of any country and that, if this were so, His article or material exported from the Majesty's Government would be unable United States is deemed to be detrimental to proceed with their plans, and that their to the interests of national defence. Any future policy would depend on the actions person whose name appears on the list and attitude of the Spanish Government. is to be treated as though he were a national of Germany or Italy, and in to be Mr. Mander: Does that mean that, in debarred from obtaining, except under the meantime, shipments are held up, special licence, United States products that nothing further will be allowed to go which are subject to export control. In through until we are satisfied that General pursuance of this proclamation the United Franco does not mean what he says? States Government has DOW issued a list Mr. Dalton: No, Sir. No further de- of 1,834 persons in Latin America. The cision has been taken in that sense, We majority of these also appear on our own are waiting for elucidation of the inten- Statutory List. I ano consulting the tions of the Spanish Government. United States Government on the CO- ordination of the two lists. This new de- Mr. Shinwell: Is my right hon. Friend parture will be of the greatest value to us aware that one of the ships despatched in waging economic warfare, and I are by the U.S.A., the " Scheherezade," sure the House would wish to join with actually discharged a cargo at Dakar, me in welcoming this striking act of which is under German control? American co-operation. Mr. Dalton: Yes, Sir, but Dakar is not in Spain. Mr. Mander: Could the right hon. Gentleman say whether joint considera- Mr. Shinwell: That is worse. tion is now being given to the question of Japanese enemy trade? Mr. Noel-Baker: Will my right hon. Friend continue to exercise the utmost Mr. Dalton: Yes, Sir. Regraded Unclassified $24] Oral Answers HOUSE OF COMMONS Oral Answers 1244 ITALIAN PRISONERS OF WAR. that cases in which soldiers at home an 27. Mr. Mander asked the Secretary of State for War whether he will give an days' leave in the year are exceptional unable to obtain four periods of -ever assurance that Italian prisoners of war, Mr. Bellenger: Would the hon. Gentle. including the Duke of Aosta and other man look more closely into that. as I generals, are being treated strictly in can assure him that there is a consider accordance with international regulations able discrepancy between different Units and that no special facilities are being in the granting of these leaves? It is not provided other than those available for by any means universal for four leave German prisoners? within any year to be given. The Financial Secretary to the War Mr. Sandys: If the hon. Gentleman Office (Mr. Sandys): Yes, Sir, There are will let me have particulars of any hard. of course, minor differences of treatment ship cases, I will look into them. between German and Italian prisoners. But these depend on the privileges allowed GERMAN PRISONER'S PUBLICATION to our prisoners in Germany and Italy. 20. Mr. G. Strauss asked the Secretary Mr. Munder: Can the hon. Gentleman of State for War whether he is aware that a book is being published in America say why it is that Italian officers are being entitled, I was a Nazi Flyer," written released for the purpose of attending social by a German prisoner of war who baled functions in Cairo, and will be make out in this country and was sent to arrangements that these shall cease forth- Canada; that this book sets out the faith with? of the Nazi soldier whether permission Mr. Sandys: If the hon. Gentleman will was given for this book to be published: give me particulars of these festivities, I and whether prisoners of war, under any will look into the matter. circumstances, are entitled to have their writings published? Captain MeEwen: Is my hon Friend not aware that there is a great deal of differ- Mr. Sandys: The release for publication ence in the treatment of our prisoners of of a book written by a prisoner of was war by Germany and Italy? is a matter for decision by the military authorities under whose care he is de- tained. I have no information regarding BRITISH ARMY. the particular case to which my hon. LEAVE. Friend refers, but I am having inquiries 28. Mr. Hannah asked the Secretary of made from the Canadian authorities. State for War whether his attention has Mr. Strauss: Does that mean that when been- called to dissatisfaction among 24. British prisoner of war is sent to soldiers on home service that their seven Canada, a book can be published without days' leave every three months, if the permission of the British authorities. exigencies permit, is so often found to be impracticable; and will he look into the dealing with something which be has written? whole matter to be sure that leave is never withheld where it can possibly be Mr. Sandys: 1 have replied that 1 do granted? not know anything about this particular Mr. Sandys: I would refer my hon, case and that I am looking into it. Friend to the Answer given to my hon. TOBACCO Issue, MALAYA Friend the Member for Normanton (Mr. T. Smith) on 3rd July, of which I am 31. Sir A. Southby asked the Secretary of State for War, whether the Imperial sending him a copy. Leave allotments troops stationed in Malays are now being are based on the operational requirement issued with tobacco and matches on the that the strength of units should not field service scale; and on what date was normally be allowed to fall below estab- such issue approved. observing, that for lishment by more than ten per cent. at some time issues of tobacco at the field any time. While I am aware that service rate have been made to men courses, special duties and training serving in Iceland and the Orkney and requirements may sometimes lead to the Shetland Islands but not to men in postponement of leave, 1 am satisfied Malaya? Regraded Unclassified Oral Answers 29 JULY 1947 Oral Answers 1340 1345 Mr. Sandys: The free issue of tobacco co-operative support, as opposed to the and matches is normally limited to troops German Army system. under which engaged in active operations, but it has platoons may make direct requests for also been extended to certain areas where aircraft? troop» are far removed from the normal sources of supply. The General Officer Mr. Sandys: Perhaps the hon. Member Commanding. Malaya, recently drew will put that question on the Paper. attention to the difficulties experienced in DEPENDANTS' ALLOWANCES. this respect by units on the Malayan main- 33. Sir William Wayland asked the land. Approval was accordingly given on Secretary of State for War why, when a 5th July last for the free issue of tobacco soldier's wife enters a rate-aided institu- and matches to these troops. tion, the dependants' allowance is imme- Sir A. Southby: Can my hon. Friend diately stopped, although the soldier con- say whether the delay in giving this free tinues to receive the pay of a micried issue to the men in Malaya was due to man; and why the allowance is not paid the War Office or to the parsimonious to the local authority towards the main- action of the Treasury? tenance costs? Mr. Sandys: Cases are dealt with as Mr. Sandys: Family allowance is issued they arise. in order to assist a soldier in meeting the expense of maintaining and accommodat- Sir A. Southby: Was that application ing his family. If a soldier's wife without made for this issue some time ago, and children enters il rate-aided institution, was there any delay in giving it? her allowance is withheld. At the same Mr. Sandys: I understand the request time, the regimental paymaster authorizes was made by the General Officer Com- the issue of full pay to the soldier, unless manding, Malaya, quite recently. he wishes a voluntary allotment to be paid to his wife. As regards the second AEROPLANES UNDER ARMY CONTROL. part of the Question, it would be contrary 32. Mr. David Adams asked the to present policy for any payment to be made from Army funds to the local Secretary of State for War, whether the Army is now furnished with sufficient authority in such cases. appropriate aeroplanes to make it inde- Mr. Neil Maclean: Is it not the case pendent of the Royal Air Force in effect- that all these rate-aided institutions make ing reconnaissance and similar work? a charge to the inmates where they believe that the charge can be met? Is that too Mr. Sandys: My hon, Friend appears deep for the Minister to answer? to be under a misapprehension. It is not proposed to set up a separate air force for ROAD ACCIDENTS [EMERGENCY the Army. All squadrons engaged on TREATMENT). reconnaissance and similar work for the 34. Sir W. Wayland asked the Secre- Army continue to belong to the Royal tary of State for War what responsibility Air Force. Certain of these squadrons, does the War Office accept for reimburs- however, which are specially equipped ing a hospital for the cost of a patient and trained for Army needs, are under injured by an Army vehicle, even though the operational control of the Army: and, the cause of the accident may have been as my right hon. Friend the Prime Minister stated on roth June, it is the purely accidental or due to contributory negligence on the part of the injured intention to increase considerably the person, or when the cause of the accident number of aeroplanes under Army control. is in dispute? Mr. Sandys: When a person is afforded Mr. Adams: When is it anticipated emergency treatment as the result of an that this last-mentioned desire will be fulfilled? accident arising out of the use of a War Department vehicle on duty on a road, Mr. Sandysi It is going on all the time. claims are accepted against Army funds for the cost of such treatment at the rates Mr. Curro Jones: Is it still the case that and in the circumstances specified in Sec- no Army unit lower than a division can tion 16 of the Road Traffic Act, 1934, make a direct request to the Air Force for notwithstanding that that part of the Regraded Unclassified Oral Answers HOUSE OF COMMONS Oral Answers 1247 1448 [Mr. Sandys.] Mr. Sandys: Yes, Sir. All data, n. Act does not apply to the Crown. Refund cords and materials of the Kensington of other hospital expenses is considered Gardens Camouflage School of the last in connection with any claim to compen- war have been carefully examined, and sation arising out of the accident. In are at the disposal of present-day camon general. the War Office accepts liability flage officers through the medium of the in respect of such expenses to the extent Army Camouflage Training and Develop. to which a private employer would be ment Centre. liable in similar circumstances. Mr. Hannah: Are the Government fully Sir W. Wayhind: Is the hon. Member convinced that our camouflage cannot be aware that in many cases the district pay- improved? master has refused to recognise claims made by hospitals when an accident was Mr. Sandys: It is being improved all not absolutely due to the Army driver, the time. or where it could not be attributed either to one side or the other, and that in such MILITIA CAMPS (Cost). cases compensation has often been 36. Mr. Stokes asked the Secretary of refused? State for War how many Milltia camps Mr. Sandys: The payments to be made were included in the actual expenditute of are laid down quite clearly in Section I6 £22,750,000; and how many were allowed of the Road Traffic Act Those payments for in the original estimate of are made. (20,000,000? CAMOUFLAGE Mr. Sandys: I would refer my hom, 35. Sir John Graham Kerr asked the Friend to the answer given to him on Secretary of State for War, whether he is 28th May. aware that one of the few recognised authorities in the science of camouflage Mr. Stokes: That answer gave no in. is now in His Majesty's service; whether formation at all. Will the hon. Member he is satisfied that he has been given an state what percentage of the camps it was official position commensurate with his intended to construct were constructed? position in this highly-specialised branch Unless this is stated, the answer makes no of science: and what is his official designa- senso at all. tion and where are his headquarters? Mr. Sandys: I assume that my hon, Mr. Sandys: The answer to which I Friend is referring to an authority on the referred the hon. Member was given to a biological aspect of camouflage about Question of his which was almost identical whom he has written to my right hon. and with the one that he asked to-day, He gallant Friend. This gentleman holds a had a very full reply, to which I have commission in the Royal Engineers. He nothing to add. is now serving as a camouflage officer, and holds a staff appointment in that COURTS-MARTIAL capacity at General Headquarters, Middle 38. Mr. Cecil Wilson asked the Secre- East. 1 am satisfied that his present posi- tary of State for War, seeing that it is tion is such as to provide full scope for laid down for courts-martial, in Rules of the exercise of his abilities and ex- Procedure 87 (D), that the friend of the perience. accused may advise the accused on all 37- Sir J. Graham Kerr asked the points and suggest the questions. to be put Secretary of State for War whether he is to the witnesses, but cannot examine of aware that valuable knowledge was acc)- cross-examine the witnesses or address the mulated during the last war in relation to court, under what circumstances The the Kensington Gardens scheme of camou- friend may not be present in court flage: that material on which it was throughout the proceedings? founded was placed in store at a place of which he has been informed; whether Mr. Sandys: The friend of an accused such material is still to the fore: and is entitled to be present in court at all whether care has been taken to make it times during which the accused himself (reely accessible to camouflage officers is before the court and desires his friend during the present war. to be present. Regraded tital Anners 21) JULY 1941 Out dowers 1250 gide Mr. Wilson: If I send the hon. Member this complicated matter by way of ques- cases where this right has been refused, tion and answer. There will be an oppor- will he look into them? tunity on the Scottish Estimates at the next Sitting, when I hope to make a fullar Mr. Sundys: Certainly, Sir. statement School CHILDREN (MRALS). SCOTLAND. 42. Mrs. Hardie asked the Secretary of HILL SHEEP FARMING State for Scotland whether he is aware of the conclusions arrived at by the Ministry 30. 4° and 41. Mr. Robertson asked the of Food as to the necessary ingredients of Sectetary of State for Scotland, (x) a balanced meal; and whether he will con- whether he is satisfied that the hill sheep fer with that Ministry with a view to pro- industry is receiving fair prices for its viding such a meal to every child at school wool and mutton compulsorily sold to the from September throughout the winter? Government: and whether the prices are the subject of negotiation with the in- Mr. Johnston: The answer to the first destry or are they arbitrarily fixed by the part of the Question is in the affirmative. Government: With regard to the second part of the Question, it is the duty of education autho- (2) the average results of his inspection rities to provide meals for all necessitous of corrent trading and profit and loss Accounts and balance sheets of typical hill school children, and I have encouraged authorities to extend this service to all farms in the various districts, after allow- other school children on payment of the ing the working farmer the wage of the bare cost of the food. At present. some lowest-poid agricultural labourer; 50,000 school children in Scotland are (3) whether he is aware that, as a result obtaining a well balanced meal daily: and of the severe winter and spring, mortality this number, I hope, will be steadily in- among ewes and lambs was high: and creased. what steps he is taking to meet the situa- Mrs. Hardie: While I thank my right tion, which will become worse within the hon. Friend for his reply. will he put more DUXE few weeks, when many hill farmers pressure on local authorities to provide will be compelled to sell breeding stock to these meals for necessitous children. in meet current expenditure? view of the fact that it is practically im- The Secretary of State for Scotland (Mr. possible for the mothers to get the food in T. Johnston): Wool prices have already the shops, even if they have the money? been increased by 15 per cent, over last Mr. Johnston: I quite agree. We are year's figures, and it is hoped that a state- taking every step we can to encourage ment will be made shortly on mutton the local authorities. There are difficul- prices. While the latest available hill ties abont cooking equipment and so on, farmers' accounts show an improvement but we hope that these are being rapidly for the 1940 season as against the previous overcome. season, I am aware that additional diffi- culties and financial hardships have re- NUTRITION (WORKERS). suited from the prolonged winter of 43. Mr. Sloun asked the Secretary of 1040-41 and the resulting loss of lambs. State for Scotland whether he is aware that The Government are fully alive to the the nutrition of certain classes of workers position and have already given an under- in Scotland is inadequate, and compares taking to provide, if necessary, special unfavourably with the nutrition standards assistance, provided for other classes of workers; and whether he will take steps to provide ade- Mr. Robertson: Is it not quite wrong that this great industry should be singled quate and equal nutrition for all workers? out in this way? Is it not a fact that the Mr. Johnston: The policy of the Gov- figures for the two years of Government ernment has been, and is, to provide ade- purchase show a net loss on all the farms quate nutrition for all classes of workers, taken out by the Department of Agri- If, as I assume, my hon. Friend has in culture for Scotland? mind any disparity in the provision of food canteens, and especially at the coal Mr. Johnston: As the hon. Member pits, in Scotland, I can assure him that the knows, It is exceedingly difficult to discuss matter is receiving urgent attention Regraded Unclassified Oral Answern HOUSE OF COMMONS Oral Answers 1247 1248 (Mr. Sandys.] Mr. Sandys: Yes, Sir. Al data, (6) Act does not apply to the Crown: Refund cords and materials of the Kensington of other hospital expenses is considered Gardens Camouflage School of the last in connection with any claim to compen- war have been carefully examined, and sation arising out of the accident. In are at the disposal of present-day camog. general, the War Office accepts liability flage officers through the medium of the in respect of such expenses to the extent Army Camouflage Training and Develop to which a private employer would be ment Centre. liable in similar circumstances. Mr. Hannah: Are the Government fully Sir W. Wayland: Is the hon. Member convinced that our camouflage cannot be aware that in many cases the district pay- improved? master has refused to recognise claims made by hospitals when an accident was Mr. Sandys: It is being improved all not absolutely due to the Army driver. the time. or where it could not be attributed either to one side or the other, and that in such MILITIA CAMPS (Cost). cases compensation has often been 36. Mr. Stokes asked the Secretary of refused? State for War how many Militia camps Mr. Sandys: The payments to be made were included in the actual expenditure of are laid down quite clearly in Section If £22,750,000; and how many were allowed of the Road Trathe Act. Those payments for in the original estimate of are made. £20,000,000? CANOUFLAGE Mr. Sandys: I would refer my hom. 35- Sir John Graham Kerr asked the Friend to the answer given to him on Secretary of State for War, whether he is 28th May. aware that one of the few recognised authorities in the science of camouflage Mr. Stokes: That answer gave no in- is now in His Majesty's service; whether formation at all Will the hon. Member he is satisfied that he has been given an state what percentage of the camps it was official position commensurate with his intended to construct were constructed? position in this highly-specialised branch Unless this is stated. the answer makes no of science: and what is his official designa- sense at all. tion and where are his headquarters? Mr. Sandys: I assume that my hon. Mr. Sandys: The answer to which I Friend is referring to an authority on the referred the hon. Member was given to a biological aspect of camouflage about Question of his which was ulmost Identical whom he has written to my right bon, and with the one that he asked to-day. He gallant Friend. This gentleman holds a had a very full reply, to which I have commission in the Royal Engineers. He nothing to add, is now serving as a camouflage officer, and holds a staff appointment in that COURTS-MARTIAL. capacity at General Headquarters, Middle 38. Mr. Cecil Wilson asked the Secre- East I am satisfied that his present posi- tary of State for War, seeing that it is tion is such as to provide full scope for laid down for courts-martial. in Rules of the exercise of his abilities and ex- Procedure 87 (D). that the friend of the perience accused may advise the accused on all 37 Sir J. Graham Kerr asked the points and suggest the questions to be pul Secretary of State for War whether he is to the witnesses, but cannot examine ot aware that valuable knowledge Was accu- cross-examine the witnesses or address the inulated during the last War in relation to court, under what circumstances the the Kensington Gardens scheme of camou- friend may not be present in court thage: that material on which it was throughout the proceedings? founded was placed in store at a place of which he has been informed; whether Mr. Sandys: The friend of an accustal such material is still to the fore; and is entitled to be present in court at all whether care has been taken to make it times during which the accused himself fruely accessible to camouflage officers is before the court and desires his triend during the present war. to be présent. Regraded nal Answers by JULY 1941 Tral Answers 1250 124V Mr. Wilson: If I send the bon. Member this complicated matter by way of ques- cases where this right has been refused, tion and answer, There will be an oppor- will he look into them? tunity on the Scottish Estimates at the next Sitting, when I hope to make a fuller Mr. Sandys: Certainly, Sir: statement. SCHOOL CHILDREN (MEALS). SCOTLAND. 42. Mrs. Hardie asked the Secretary of HILL SHEEP FARMING. State for Scotland whether he is aware of the conclusions arrived at by the Ministry 39. 40 and 41, Mr. Robertson asked the of Food as to the necessary ingredients of Secretary of State for Scotland, (1) a balanced meal: and whether he will con- whether he is satisfied that the hill sheep fer with that Ministry with a view to pro- industry is receiving tair prices for its viding such a meal to every child at school word and mutton compulsorily sold to the from September throughout the winter? Government: and whether the prices are the subject of negotiation with the in- Mr. Johnston: The answer to the first dustry or are they arbitrarily fixed by the part of the Question is in the affirmative. Government: With regard to the second part of the Question, it is the duty of education autho- (2) do average results of his inspection rities to provide meals for all necessitous of current trading and profit and loss school children, and I have encouraged accounts and balance sheets of typical hill authorities to extend this service to all farms in the various districts, after allow- other school children on payment of the ing the working farmer the wage of the bare cost of the food. At present, some lowest-puid agricultural labourer, 50,000 school children in Scotland are (3) whether be is aware that, as a result obtaining a well balanced meal daily, and of the severe winter and spring, mortality this number, I hope, will be steadily in- among twes and lambs was high: and creased. what stops he is taking to meut the situa- Mrs. Hardie: While 1 thank my right tion. which will become worse within the hon. Friend for his reply. will he put more next bew weeks, when many hill farmers pressure on local authorities to provide will he compelled to sell breeding stock to these meals for necessitous children, in must current expenditure? view of the fact that it is practically im- The Secretary of State for Scotland (Mr. possible for the mothers to get the food in T. Johnston): Wool prices have already the shops. even if they have the money? been increased by 15 per cent. over last Mr. Johnston: I quite agree. We are year's figures, and it is hoped that a state- taking every step we can to encourage ment will be made shortly on mutton the local authorities. There are difficul- prices. While the latest available hill ties about cooking equipment and so on, fatmers' accounts show an improvement but we hope that these are being rapidly for the 1940 season as against the previous overcome. season, 1 am aware that additional diffi- culties and financial hardships have re- NUTRITION (WORRRRS). sulted from the prolonged winter of 43. Mr. Sloun asked the Secretary of 1940-41 and the resulting loss of lambs. State for Scotland whether he is aware that The Government are fully alive to the the nutrition of certain classes of workers position and have already given an under- in Scotland is inadequate, and compares taking to provide, if necessary, special unfavourably with the nutrition standards assistance. provided for other classes of workers; and whether he will take steps to provide ade- Mr. Robertson: Is it not quite wrong that this great industry should be singled quate and equal nutrition for all workers? out in this way? Is it not a fact that the Mr. Johnston: The policy of the Gov- figures for the two years of Government ernment has been, and is, to provide ado- purchase show a net loss on all the farms quate nutrition for all classes of workers, taken out by the Department of Agri- If, as I assume, my hon. Friend has in culture for Scotland? mind any disparity in the provision of food canteens, and especially at the coal Mr. Johnston: Às the hon. Member pits, in Scotland, I can assure him that the knows. it in exceedingly difficult to discuss matter is receiving urgent attention. Regraded Unclassified Oral Answers HOUSE OF COMMONS Oral Answers 1251 (152 Mr. Slogn: Is my right hon. Friend Mr. McKinlay: Is my right hon. Friend aware that the possibility of procuring aware that plants belonging to Soottle nutritious food for miners in Scotland is contractors have been requisitioned and almost nil. that miners' wives are com- handed over to English contractors, who pletely at their wits' end, and that they have no plant of their own? are taking long journeys to the towns only to find short rations there? Will he see Mr. Johnston: That is another question. that the canteen system is spread as far as If hon. Members had any evidence of possible in Scotland? that kind of thing, I should be glid to have it. Mr. Johnston: Yes, Sir. My hon. Friend the Minister of Mines has the sub- Mr. Neil Maclean: Will my right hon, ject very urgently under review. In Scot- Friend get into touch with the Ministry land we are exceptionally badly off. At of Supply and the Board of Trade and present. we have only two canteens in see the particulars of these contracts) active operation. Mr. Johnston: 1 would prefer that a specific case should be given me, HIGHLAND FOLK MUSEUM. 44. Mr. Hannah asked the Secretary of Mr. Sloan: Is my right hon Friend State for Scotland, whether he has now aware that English contractors do not taken the promised steps to prevent the come up to standard and that local COD- dispersal of the Highland Folk Museum? mactors have to carry out the work? - Mr. Johnston: The possible alternative accommodation to which I referred in my HIGH COMMISSIONER, AUSTRALIA Answer of 15th July is being examined by (STATEMENT). the Invemess County Council. Mean- 45- Mr. David Adams asked the Prime time. I have asked them not to enter Minister whether his attention has been upon the museum premises. called to a recent speech made by the British High Commissioner in Australia Mr. Hannah: Is not that a most un- derogatory to the political system of our extisfactory answer? Russian Ally; and whether, as such state- GOVERNMENT CONTRACTS. ments by persons in authority may injure our joint war effort, he has taken steps 63, Major Lloyd asked the Secretary of to ensure that no further speeches of this State for Scotland whether he is aware kind are made? of the increasing resentment which is (elt among Scottish public works contractors The Lord Privy Seal (Mr. Attlee), My at the growing tendency of English firms right hon. Friend the Prime Minister has to obtain contracts for work in Scotland; seen Press reports of a statement alleged whother he is further aware that resident to have been made by the United King engineers of English main contractors are dom High Commissioner in Australia. He has ascertained from him that the facts of enabled to appoint direct sub-contractors from England for work which can be more the case are as follows. In reply to readily carried out by Scottish contractors questions about Communism put to the in Scotland: and whether he will consult High Commissioner at a Press conference, with the Government Departments con- he denied the prevalence of Communism cerned with a view to safeguarding the in this country and stated that Com- interests of Scottish contractors in future? munism was generally unpopular here. He did not, in his reply. use the expression Mr. Johnston: While I have received the Russian system." as has been some general representations in the senso wrongly reported. Subsequently, in reply of the hon. Member's Question, I have no to further Press inquiries, he stated that specific evidence of any case in which the his attitude towards Russia was identical public interest has been prejudiced. or with that recently expressed by my right contracts given out in any manner dis- hon. Friend the Prime Minister, who is advantageous to Scottish contractors or sure that this is the fact. It is obvious workmen. If any evidence of that nature from the above that the High Commis is available, I shall be glad to consider sioner bas been completely misreported $ it with a view to drawing the attention misrepresented, and he has the full con- of the appropriate authority to the matter. fidence and approval of the Government. onl Answers 29 JULY 1941 Oral Answers 1154 151 Mr. Adums: is not my right hon. Mr. Attlee: With regard to the per- Friend aware that Mr. Hughes, the formance of the functions of the Chan- Australian Naval Minister, condemned his cellor of the Duchy abroad. that has speech and that several thousand trade already been answered. unionliste in Australia demanded the recall of our High Commissioner? Mr. Maxton: Does my right hon. Friend think there will be any harm in the affairs Mr. Attlee: I have given my hon Friend of the Chancellor of the Duchy being the facts. managed by somebody other than him- self? Mr Maxton: Is my right hon. Friend zware that this is not the only Member of this House in foreign parts who has made MINISTERIAL DUTIES. Abjectionable statements? There ought to 48. Mr. Shinwell asked the Prime be some method of controlling our repre- Minister whether the duties undertaken by sentatives abroad, Lord Beaverbrook as Minister of State have been transferred to another Member of the War Cabinet? CHANCELLOR OF THE DUCHY OF LANCASTER. Mr. Attlee: 'As stated in the public announcement issued on 29th June, the 47- Sir H. Williams asked the Prime appointment of my Noble Friend Lord Minister what Minister in this House will =nswer Questions addressed to the Chan- Beaverbrook as Minister of Supply brought to, an end the special arrange- cellor of the Duchy of Lancaster when he ments whereby the Minister of State acted is abroad? as Deputy Chairman of the Defence Com- Mr. Anlee: In the absence of the mittee (Supply) and as Referee on Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster, priority questions. The announcement with Questions will be answered in the also stated that these questions would in fature, as they have been in the past, by future be handled within the organisation he Attorney-Gonoral. of the Office of the Minister of Defence or of the Production Executive, of which Sir H. Williams: Will the Attorney- latter my right bon. Friend the Minister General answer Questions in respect of of Labour would continue 0.5 Chairman. duties performed overseas by thé Chan- cultur of the Duchy of Lancaster? Mr. Attlee: It depends upon the nature SOCIAL SURVEY (BLIND PERSONS). of the Question. If it was one relating to 52. Mr. J. Griffiths asked the Minister the general high policy of the Govern- without Portfolio whether consideration ment. it would have to be put to my right will be given to the position of blind per- tiem. Friend the Prime Minister. sons by the committee engaged upon 0 Sir H. Williams: Supposing it is 0. Ques- survey of social services? tion to be put down with reference to The Minister without Portfolio (Mr. something that the Chancellor of the Arthur Greenwood): Yes, Sir. The blind Duchy is doing overseas, to whom must are specifically covered in the Com- il be addressed? mittee's preliminary plan of work. Mr. Aftlee: 1 have already replied to the hon. Member on that point. If the lion. Member is ingenious enough to put TOWN AND COUNTRY PLANNING. D. Question with reference to the business 53- Mr. Henry Strauss asked the of the Chancellor, it will be answered by Minister without Portfolio what steps the Attorney-General, but any question of the Government have taken to ensure that guneral policy will have to be put down the administration of the Restriction of to the I'rime Minister. Ribbon Development Act, 1935, shall pro- ceed in conformity with long-term plan- Sie Irving Albery: Is it not perfectly ning policy; and whether it was of set obvious that at the present time the right purpose or inadvertently that the Govern- hon Gentleman cannot perform the duties ment omitted this statute from their state- Chanceller of the Duchy? ment of 17th July, 1941, setting out the Regraded Unclassified Oral Answers HOUSE OF COMMONS Oral Answers 1455 1234 (Mr. Strauss.) for peace and his striving to secure the purpose and terms of reference of the settlement of international differences by Council of Ministers under the chairman- conciliation rather than by force? ship of the Right Honourable Lord Reith? The Parliamentary Secretary to the Mr. Greenwood: In settling the com- Ministry of Information (Mr. Thurtie): position and terms of reference of the When dealing with the question of Council of Ministers under the chairman- responsibility for the war, it is clearly ship of my noble Friend. the Government desirable to draw attention to the efforts have, of course, taken into account the of His Majesty's Government to preserve fact that the Town and Country Planning peace in Europe, But as the hon. Mem: Act is not the only statute which relates ber will realise it is equally important to to planning. It is, however. by far the lay emphasis on the faithless and aggres most comprehensive Statute in this field. sive character of German policy during and its administration is already closely the pre-war years. co-ordinated with the administration of other Acts relating to planning. The Sir W. Davison: Does not the hou function of the Council of Ministers is to Gentleman think it would be very un- bring my noble Friend into closer associa- desirable at the present time to put tion with the current administration of forward the suggestion contained in the the main body of the planning law, and Question, which might cause it to be this function is accurately reflected in the generally considered that we were longing Council's composition and terms of refer- for peace on Hitler's terms? ence. My noble Friend will, however, Mr. Thurtle: I am not in a position to remain in close touch with the administra- add to my Answer, except to say that и time of all other relevant enactments. is the view of the Government that Hu Mr. Strauss: Is the right hon. Gentleman Majesty's Government's efforts to preserve of the opinion that the administration of peace are best shown against the back- the Restriction of Ribbon Development ground of Hitler's perfidy and perjury, Act, 1935, in the past has been consistent Mr. Lambert: Is the hon. Gentlemar with good planning? Is that same system aware that the object of my Question is to be allowed to continue? to show that the entire responsibility tos Mr. Greenwood: I would like the hon. the horrors now existing in Europe tests on Hitler and his associates? Gentleman to await, if he would, the new legislation on this matter, which will Mr. Thurtle: The Government are fully shortly be before the House. aware of that fact, and are anxious to see that it is brought out in all propa- ganda. BRITISH MUSEUM READING ROOM (RE-OPENING). AIR TRANSPORT AUXILIARY. DI Miss Eleanor Rathbone asked the Financial Secretary to the Treasury 65. Mr. Garro Jones asked the Minister when the re-opening of the reading room of Aircraft Production on what exact basis of the British Museum may be expected? or calculation the Air Transport Auxiliary Service is paid for each aircraft delivered Captain Crookshank: It is hoped to to the Royal Air Force? resume the public service of the reading mom about the end of October. The Parliamentary Secretary to the Ministry of Aircraft Production (Mr. Montague): The Air Transport Auxiliary PROPAGANDA BROADCASTS TO has no revenue. The cost of the organisu- CONTINENT. tion falls on the Vote of the Ministry of Aircraft Production. Payment is not M. Mr. Lambert asked the Minister of made on the basis of aircraft delivered. Information whether he will request the British Broadcasting Corporation to Mr. Garro Jones: Does the cost of that accentuate in broadcasts to Germany and organisation include any interest paid for the Continent the efforts, in 1938 and the shares of British Airways on their 1939, of the late Mr. Neville Chamberlain fixed interest-bearing securities? Regraded Oral Answers 29 JULY 1941 Oral Answars 1457 1158 It. Moningue: The cost of the Air under the Schedule of Reserved Occupa- Transport Auxiliary is borne on the Vote, tions and Protected Work, admit of the 20/ my heat. Friend has any questions grant of deferment which may in suitable to put concerning higher policy, perhaps cases be tantamount to individual reserva- ho will be good enough to raise them on tion. No permanent reservation or de- the appropriate Vote. ferment of calling-up can, of course, be guaranteed to any man of military age PERSONAL INJURIES (CIVILLANS' TRAINEES (TRAVELLING EXPENSES). SCHEME). 69. Mr. Tinker asked the Minister of 16. Mr. Ellis Smith asked the Minister Labour whether he is aware that persons of Pendons whether he is aware that Mr. who go as trainees to Government train- p. Morrey, of 33, Penkville Street, Stoke- ing centres are called upon to pay their 000 Trent. received injuries of a permanent own fares, and, in many instances, this character in an air-raid on 19th Novem- amount exceeds TOS. a week: and will he bet, 1040; that his income is IIS. National consider making some allowances to them Health Insurance and 6s. from the Amal- to meet this expense? mainated Society of Woodworkers; why has the man not received compensation; Mr. Tomlinson: I have already written why the delay; and will this be paid at to my hop. Friend on this subject once with retrospective pay? Arrangements have now been made for daily travelling expenses in excess of 58. The Minister of Pensions (Sir Walter per week to be paid in the case of all Womersley): Mr. Morrey did receive com- boarder trainees over 21 years of age and pensition in the form of injury allowances all trainees living at home over 19 years under the Civilians Scheme from the date of age in Government Training Centres. of his injury in November, 1940, up to The assistance given in the case of all 27th May, 1941. that is, for the period of other trainees is already greater than this. 20 weeks after which an award of pension is normally considered. I regret that in- Mr. R. J. Taylor: Will that payment be structions were not given for the con- retrospective where applications have timance of Injury allowances until the been made? question of pension was settled, but they have now been reinstated with retrospec- Mr. Tomlinson: Where applications are tive effect from 28th May, 1041, and will made for retrospective payments, they remain in payment until pension can be will have to be considered on their merits. awarded. EVACUEES (EMPLOYMENT). 70. Major Sir Edward Cadogan asked NATIONAL WAR EFFORT. the Minister of Labour whether he can SCHEDULE OF RESERVED OCCUPATIONS. give any information as to what propor- 68. Mr. Nunn asked the Minister of tion of evacuees, who have reached the Labour whether he will establish tribunals school-leaving age, have obtained em- to decide definitely what men shall be re- ployment in the reception areas? served as a minimum staff for business Mr. Tomlinson: I am having inquiries and industrial concerns so that arrange- made and will communicate with my hon. ments can be made to continue output, and gallant Friend. bearing in mind that it is difficult for firms to continue their work with any confidence INDUSTRIAL DISPUTES. on the basis of temporary exemptions? 71. Mr. G. Maedonald asked the The Joint Parliamentary Secretary to Minister of Labour how any working days the Ministry of Labour (Mr. Tomfinson): have been lost due to industrial disputes As at present advised, my right hon. during the 12 months ended 30th June, Friend does not think that tribunals are 1941; and what is the comparative figure required to deal with this matter. The for any similar period during the Great existing arrangements for the deferment of War and also for the I2 months imme- the calling-up of a limited number of men diately preceding the outbreak of the of military age, who are not reserved present was? No. 91 B Regraded Unclassified 1259 United of the House HOUSE OF COMMONS Written Answers 196 Mr. Tomlinson: The total number of working days lost in industrial disputes WRITTEN ANSWERS. causing stoppages of work, so far as re- ported to my Department, was approxi- mately 990,000 in the twelve months CLOTHES RATIONING. ended 30th June, 1941, and 1,300,000 in the twelve months ended 31st August, Mr. Lipson asked the President of the 1939. In the years 1915-18 the corre- Board of Trade whether he is aware that sponding totals were approximately, insistence on the surrender of coupons for clothing and footwear sold at church 2,950,000 in 1915; 2,450,000 in 1916; bazaars and sales of work, will have a 5,650,000 in 1917; and 5,880,000 in 1918. serious effect on social and religious work WOMEN out of all proportion to the advantage 70. Sir Leonard Lyle asked the Minister gained thereby for the rationing scheme; of Labour whether, to avoid prejudicial and will be consider exempting such pur- effect on home life, and especially in view chases from rationing under safeguards which should prevent abuse? of the increased responsibilities thrown on mothers, he will apply the conscription of Captain Waterhouse: My right bon. women in the first place to young single Friend could not justify an arrangement women? which would permit a limited section of the public to obtain more than their fair Mr. Tomlinson: It is not at present the share of rationed goods at the expense of intention to apply conscription to women. the rest of the community and of the As regards women registered under the normal channels of retail trade. Registration for Employment Order, it has been arranged with the advice of the - Women's Consultative Committee that COAL DISTRIBUTION. women with no occupation are called for interview before women in employment. Mr. Denville asked the Secretary for Within each group, single women are in- Mines how he proposes to deal with the terviewed before married women. Women distribution of the necessary coal for at who have children under 14 years of age household purposes when enough coal is living with them are not called for inter- being produced for those purposes? view. Mr. Grenfell: Special attention is being given to the need for the most equitable NEW MEMBER SWORN. distribution of coal for all household pur- poses, and I have no doubt that oppor Percy Gott Barstow, Esquire, for the tunities for stocking will be afforded to County of York, West Riding (Ponte- all consumers when adequate supplies fract Division). become available. BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE. WAGES AND PRICES (WHITE Ordered, PAPER). That this day, notwithstanding any- Major Adams asked the Prime Minister thing in Standing Order No. 14. Business in Committee of Supply may be taken after the whether he will allow a day for a Debate hour appointed for the interruption of Bust- on Command Paper 6294 on the subject ness and that the Proceedings of the Com- of inflation? mittee of Supply be exempted, at this day's Sitting, from the provisions of the Standing Mr. Attlee: I would refer my hon. and Order (Sittings of the House), Prime Minister.) gallant Friend to the statement which 1 DI made during the course of the Business statement on Thursday last. MESSAGE FROM THE LORDS. - That they have agreed to- Financial Powers (U.S.A. Securities) NATIONAL FINANCE. Bill and War Damage (Extension PURCHASE Tax. of Risk Period) Bill, without Mr. Thome asked the Chancellor of the Amendment. the Exchequer whether he can give any Regraded Unclassified Written Auswers 20 JULY 1941 Written Answers 1961 ra6z information in connection with the charges the places to which civil servants and made against the Beaucraft Furniture their offices have been evacuated. Company, Bethnal Green, for a Purchase Tax evasion; and what was the value of MINISTRY OF FOOD (TRADING the goods on which the tax had been ACTIVITIES). evaded and the total loss to the revenue? Mr. Rostron Duckworth asked the Par- Sir K. Wood: This firm was charged liamentary Secretary to the Ministry of with furnishing false tax returns, pro- Food what profit has accrued to the Gov- ducing and using false documents and emment in respect of the trading activi- making false statements in connection with ties of his Department in commodities in the tax. The value of the goods involved short supply? was not less than £4,200, on which the Major Lloyd George: The Ministry of tax evaded was about £1,400. Food's trading activities must be regarded INCOME TAX (WIDOWERS). as a whole and in the aggregate a very substantial loss has been incurred in Mr. !lannah asked the Chancellor of the carrying out the Government's policy of Exchequer whether he realises the hard- subidising certain essential foodstuffs. ship to widowers still having to keep up Profits have, however, arisen on certain their houses being taxed as single men; commodities mainly owing to the necessity and will he consider some relief? of fixing retail selling prices at the nearest Sir K. Wood: As my hon. Friend is no penny per Ib., and in the early days of doubt aware a deduction of tax on £50 the war to requisitioning of stocks. Such can be claimed by a widower in respect profits are not sobstantíal in amount in of (E resident housekeeper. I cannot see relation to the Ministry's activities, and my way to propose any further special are offset against the heavy losses incurred relief to widowers. in subsidising other foodstuffs. GOVERNMENT DEPARTMENTS. FOOD SUPPLIES (SMALL TRADERS). Civn SERVANTS (BILLETING). Sir L. Lyle asked the Parliament- Mr. Roland Robinson asked the Secre- ary Secretary to the Ministry of Food tary to the Treasury, to what extent the whether, before deciding to eliminate as compulsory billeting of Civil Servants has purveyors of rationed food, traders with been adopted in the country: and whether fewer than 25 registered customers, he he will state the general policy and the chief áreas affected? formed any estimate of the number of such traders; and, if so, whether he will Sir K. Wood: I regret that 1 have no state what it was? statistics to show the precise extent to which It has been necessary to have re- Major Lloyd George: The answer to course to compulsory powers in billeting the first part of my bon. Friend's Ques- civil servants. 1 understand, however, tion is in the negative. It was impossible that only in a very few cases has this to form any such estimate until the new expedient been adopted. The general registrations were completed. policy has been to enlist the goodwill of Sir L. Lyle asked the Parliamentary the householders concerned and I am glad Secretary to the Ministry of Food the to say that it has been generally success- number of small shopkeepers in Bourne- ful. It is hoped that householders and mouth who are likely to be affected by proprietors of boarding houses will con- the regulation withdrawing food rations tinue to render such assistance as they from shopkeepers who have fewer than are able to give in this very difficult 25 registered customers; whether he will matter, but I must point out that accom- modation for people transferred to carry lay upon the Table of the House copies of the instructions designed to bring to out essential work must be secured, and the notice of the Food Committee his only in the last resort is recourse had to promise of considerate treatment; and last part of the question, it would not be compulsory powers. With regard to the whether, in the case of any adverse de- in the public interest to publish a list of cision, these traders will have any right No, or of appeal? B 2 Regraded Unclassified Written Answers HOUSE OF COMMONS 1263 Written Answers Laft Major Lloyd George: The answer to the the fact that membership of the Home first part of my hon. Friend's Question is Guard relieves a. member of the obligation that the number of small shopkeepers in Bournemouth who are likely to be of fire-watching? attending a fixed number of hours on affected by the arrangement to which he refers will not be known until the recent Captain Margesson: This proposal has re-registration of customers with individual been considered, but it was decided that shopkeepers has been examined. In reply it would not be practicable to enforce to the second part of the Question the such a condition universally, as members instruction to which reference is made is of the Home Guard engaged in essential contidential. In the case of an adverse occupations may on occasion be pro- decision the trader concerned may appeal vented from attending parades for reasons to the divisional food officer. beyond their control. I would, however, remind my hon. Friend that a battalion commander in the Home Guard has the BRITISH ARMY. power to discharge members of his bat- talion who wilfully disregard their obliga- LOST EQUIPMENT (DEBITING). tions, and 1 think that in matters of this Mr. Ness Edwards asked the Secretary kind we must rely upon his judgment, of State for War whether be is aware that the Paymaster of the Royal Engineers has debited the accounts of certain mem- POST-WAR RECONSTRUCTION, bers of that unit with sums up to AII for Mr. Daggar asked the Minister without equipment lost whilst these men were swimming for their lives from ships that Portfolio, whether he will give partieu. were sunk in the Dunkirk evacuation; lars and personnel of the various bodies and whether he will take the necessary undertaking surveys in connection with steps to cause these sums to be refunded post-war problems; and the degree to to the soldiers concerned? which his Department is financing them? Mr. Sandys: 1 have made thorough in- Mr. Greenwood: It would be impossible quiries but am unable to trace any case for me to provide my hon. Friend with in which a. soldier's account has been a list of all the surveys which are being debited in respect of equipment lost, in undertaken by independent agencies in the circumstances to which my hon. connection with post-war problems. The Friend refers. I shall be glad therefore if only survey which is receiving financial my hon, Friend will supply me with the support from the Government is the particulars of the cases upon which the Social Reconstruction Survey instituted allegation contained in his Question is under the auspices of the Nuffield College based. authorities. Full particulars of the per- sonnel employed by the Survey and of AUXILIARY TERRITORIAL SERVICE the financial support which the Govem- (UNIFORM). ment is providing towards the expenses Mr. Quibell asked the Secretary of of the Survey were given in my answer State for War, whether, in adopting the to the hon. Member for Cambridge Uni- new Auxiliary Territorial Service uniform, versity (Mr. Pickthorn) on 2nd July: arrangements will be made to ensure that there is no waste of any of the old type Mr. Doggar asked the Minister without uniforms now in stock? Portfolio whether, in a consideration of plans to deal with the post-war situation, Captain Margesson: Yes, Sir. it is intended to have regard to the recommendations of the Royal Commis- HOME GUARD. sion on the Distribution of the Industrial Mr. Isanes asked the Secretary of State Population: and whether he will consider for War whether he has considered, or such plans to be of immediate importance will consider, the advisability or practic- and urgency? ability of making it a condition of mem- bership of the Home Guard that members Mr. Greenwood: The Government have must accept an obligation to attend a already had under consideration the fixed minimum number of attendances at Report of the Royal Commission on the parades each week or month, in view of Distribution of the Industrial Population Regraded Unclassified Written Answers bg JULY 1941 Written Answers 1.266 1995 the light of the changes in the indus- explore the possibility of arranging for the trial in situation since the report was pre- transfer of these men from enemy coun- pared. Plans for dealing with the fields post- tries to Switzerland? situation in this and other are war being examined with full regard to the Mr. Law: If my hon. and gallant Friend importance of the issues involved. means a one-sided arrangement under which, while the British party are trans- Mr. Duggar asked the Minister without ferred to Switzerland, the German party Portfolio whether it is proposed to await are to remain in British hands, there is no the result of any post-war reconstruction ground for supposing that the German surveys before laying before Parliament Government would accept it. His any plan for dealing with the problems Majesty's Government are, however, that will arise after the war, such as un- examining every possibility of overcoming employment due to the existence of special the transport difficulty which is the main areas: and, if not, when it is proposed to obstacle to any arrangement on a produce such plans for discussion in the reciprocal basis. House? Mr. Greenwood: The Government will GREAT BRITAIN AND SPAIN. complete all the preliminary investigations Mr. Shinwell asked the Secretary of which are necessary before any plans for State for Foreign Affairs whether the dealing with post-war problems are pro- recent speech by General Franco has been duesd to the House, and in particular they the subject of communication between His are making a full study of all the complex Majesty's Government and the Govern- issues involved before producing plans for ment of the United States of America: dealing with unemployment. and whether it is proposed to take any action. MEDICAL SUPPLIES, HANKOW. Mr. Law: The answer to the first part Mr. Nunn asked the Secretary of State of the Question is in the affirmative. Hon. for Foreign Affairs whether he is aware Members will be aware that General that the British dispensary at Hankow has Franco's speech has already been the sub- been obliged to close down its business ject of a statement by the United States owing to the refusal of the Japanese Acting Secretary of State at his Press con- authorities to permit the shipment of essen- ference on 23rd July. I have at present tial supplies: and whether he will take up nothing to add to the statement which my the matter with the Japanese Government right hon. Friend made on 24th July, and also with the International Red Cross Mr. Shinwell asked the Secretary of Society? State for Foreign Affairs whether he has Mr. Law: The Hankow dispensary made any representations to the Spanish ceased business last April owing to diffi- Government on the recent speech by culties arising out of the closure of the General Franco; and whether any reply Yangtse, Special efforts to helpn this has been received? British firm were made by His Majesty's Mr. Law: No, Sír. The attitude of His Consuls-General at Hankow and Shanghai, and some shipments of medical supplies Majesty's Government should, however, be clear to the Spanish Government from were permitted to Hankow for the dispen- Mry Owing, however, to great delays, my right hon. Friend's statement in reply and to the fact that no miscellaneous goods to the hon. Member for East Wolverhamp- were allowed to be shipped, the turnover ton (Mr. Mander) on 24th July. business. became insufficient to keep the firm in CIVIL DEFENCE. EMERGENCY MEDICAL SERVICES, PRISONERS OF WAR Sir H. Morris-Jones asked the Minister of (REPATRIATION). Health what progress has been made with Sir A. Knox asked the Secretary of the proposal, recently announced by him, State for Foreign Affairs whether, pending for securing the services of I,000 doctors an agreement for the repatriation of from the United States of America to help badly-wounded prisoners of war, he will in the medical services of this country? Regraded Unclassified Written Anawars HOUSE OF COMMONS Written Answers 1267 1208 Miss Horsbrugh: The scheme to which Men and boys-14,204,000, including my hon. Friend refers has not yet become 141,000 deposit contributors, fully operative. According to information Women and girls-7,243,000, includ- recently received from the American Red ing 155,000 deposit contributors. Cross some 80 United States doctors who have applied under the scheme are at The total sum paid out in benefits in the present being considered for acceptance, year ended 31st December, 1940, was in addition to one who has already arrived {34,197,000, the accumulated funds at and is at work in a civil hospital and the 31st December, 1940, amounted to four who are on their way to this country. £146,799,000, and the amounted invested by or on behalf of Approved Societies to £67,224,000. The expenditure in the CAMOUFLAGE. year ended 31st December, 1940, on sick- Sir J. Graham Kerr asked the Home ness, disablement and additional benefits Secretary what steps are taken to ensure was:- that experimental results obtained by Service Departments in relation to Men Women Total camouflage are made known to other Departments interested so that the country t 6 may obtain full value from such results? Sicknesse benefit 8,114,000 4,024,000 Disablement 3,781,000 2,029,000 5,810,000 benefit. Mr. Mabane: All results obtained by the Additional benefits Services from experimental work in Cash £ 479,000 304,000 £,783,000 camouflage are discussed by the technical Non-cash 1 - 2,415,000 sub-committee of the camouflage committee which has met regularly at frequent inter- (Separate figures in weeks are not available), vals since its formation and on which the Services Departments are represented As regards the remaining parts of the Question, the fifth valuations of the approved societies will be completed dur- ing the coming autumn, and it is expected NATIONAL HEALTH INSURANCE. that a short report by the Government Mr. Thorne asked the Minister of Actuary, incorporating some statistics of Health how many people came under the the results, will be available early next health insurance system in Great Britain year. and Northern Ireland for the year ending 1940, giving separate figures for men and women; how many rank as deposit con- INDIA (AEROPLANE ENGINES). tributors; the total income paid out in Sir W. Smiles asked the Secretary of benefits; the accumulated funds; the State for India whether any aeroplare amount invested by or on behalf of the engines are now manufactured in India? approved societies; the expenditure on sickness and disablement benefit, giving Mr. Amery: No. Sir. separate figures in weeks and separate figures for men and women; expenditure on additional benefits in cash and other ROUSEHOLD WASTE benefits; the amount standing to the credit (COLLECTION). of societies at the last valuation; the total number of societies or branches; how many Mr. Evelyn Walkden asked the Partia- societies had deficiencies, and their mem- mentary Secretary to the Ministry of bership; and how the deficiencies were Supply what were the amounts of kitchen made good? waste collected by each local authority in the months of January and June, r94r. in Misa Horsbrugh: The figures given the counties of Lancashire, Surrey and below are in respect of Great Britain as Yorkshire? it is not possible in the time available to Mr. Harold Macmillant The following include those for Northern Ireland. At list gives the tonnages of kitchen waste 31st December, 1939 (the latest date for food sold during the months of January which such information can be given), the and June, 1941, by those local authorities number follows:- of insured persons was as in the Counties of Lancashire, Surrey and Yorkshire who are making collections:- Written Answers 29 JULY 1941 Written Answers 1269 1270 LANCASHIRE. Tons sold. County Boroughs Tons sold. Urban Districts January. June. January. June. Carabalton 50 I 31 Coulsdon and Purley 43 9 18 Blackburn ... Esher 5 32 21 ... Farnham 91 Blackpool 26 58 I 6 Bolton 21 Frimley and Camberley - Bootle 4 Haslemere 5 - 19 111 8 Merton and 5 Burnley 13 38 Morden 28 Woking 58 Bury 1824 2245 THE of 111 Liverpool Hr Manchester 92 170 Rural Districts Oldham 7 à 291 Godstone ... - à 21 85 Guildford - Preston 14 Rochdale 9 7 Hambledon or - HE 9 Salford à 10} Southport I 25 Total 388 5171 Warrington 91 15g Wigan 8a 60 YORKSHIRE. Boroughs Tons sold. Accrington 442 51 January. June. Colne 18 12 County Boroughs Barnsley - Crosby 12 12 si Bradford 5 151 ... 150 Darwen 1331 16 Dewsbury Farnworth - 27 jz Doncaster Fleetwood 11 101 ... 7 7 Halifax 10 B Nelson 1 33 Huddersfield 8 Radcliffe 1 7 551 Hull Stretford I 248 00 255 190 Leeds 197 335 Urban Districts Middlesbrough - 38 46 Rotherham - 13 31 Abram - 21 Sheffield *** 41 130/- Adlington - - York - 164 1054 Brierfield I 21 Denton 41 5t Boroughs Droylsden 6 Batley - 10- 8 Beverley - - Fulwood I 11 Bridlington ... --- 5 14 Horwich ALL * I Brighouse so 9 Hoyton with Roby --- 1 21 Harrogate 17 19 Kearsley 3 31 Keighley 10 3 21 Oswaldtwistle 61 F9 Morley - - Ramsbottrum 3 4 Ossett to 6 Thoraton Cleveleys 1 Tit Pudsey a 1 Tyldesley - 10f Redcar 00 - 12 Urmston 171 for Ripon 1 I West Houghton 4 Scarborough 00 1 --- 9 17 Whitefield 11 4 Todmorden a is Rural Districts Urban Districts Baildon 5 6 Blackburn I à Bingley 5 4t Castleford 4 I Total 590$ 1,074 Denholme I I ⑉ Featherstone DE I - SURREY Guisborough I Tons sold. Hoyland Nether - 11 Ilkley 1 H January. June. Mexborough I - County Borough Mirfield - 41 Croydon 5 57% Rawmarsh 3 61 Rothwell 1. I Baroughs Shipley 16 131 Barnes and Richmond 28 Süsden I I 15 Beddington and Wallington Stanley - 2 I Eprom and Ewell 9 19 15% Sowerby Bridge a I Godalming Wombwell I 2 - Guildford 41 22 Worsborough 1 to Kingston-on-Thames 3rd Wath-upon-Dearne 2 31 - Malden and Coombe 371 Mitcham DE 26 25 Rural Districts ... 20 Flaxton 1 : x8 Reigate Surbiton 153 6t 6 Total 1,103 1,240$ - Sutton and Cheam 10 44% Regraded Unclassified Written Answers HOUSE OF COMMONS 1271 Written Answers 12/2 PETROL COUPONS (THEFT, volunteers for training sufficiently in ad MORDEN). vatice of their needs, I am satisfied that Mr. Thorne asked the Parliamentary it should be possible to meet the demand for milkers in full. Secretary to the Ministry of War Trans- port whether be can give any information in connection with the 300,000 petrol coupons that were stolen from the Depart- GERMAN SCHOOL-BOOK. ment's office at Morden, Surrey, on Mr. Boyee asked the President of the Thursday last? Board of Education whether he is now in a position to make a statement regard. Colonel Llewellin: Some 43,500 coupons ing the removal of the pro-Nazi book, to the value of about 250,000 units of Das Neue Deutschland, from the Not motor fuel were stolen. I am pleased to of those prescribed for the Oxford and inform the House that practically the Cambridge Higher Certificate for 1948? whole of the coupons have been recovered and that an arrest has been made, Mr. Butler: Yes, Sir. I am informed that, in deference to the views of the Board of Education, the Oxford and Cambridge Joint Board have decided to AGRICULTURE. withdraw the book in question. WOMEN'S LAND ARMY. Major Leighton asked the Minister of Agriculture what number of members of DOCKYARD APPRENTICES (PASS the Women's Land Army have been LIST). placed in employment during recent Sir A. Maitland asked the Financial weeks; and whether that employment is Secretary to the Treasury on what temporary or permanent in character? grounds the editor of the " Sheerness Mr. Hudson: During the month of May, Times and Guardian was refused a list 1,678 members of the Women's Land of the successful candidates at the recent Army were placed in employment in open competitive examination for the England and Wales and, during June, a entry of apprentices for His Majesty's further 1,801 members. No member of dockyard? the regular force of the Women's Land Captain Crookshank: In view of the Army is placed in employment except on paramount necessity for paper economy, the understanding that the work will be it was decided to reduce to a minimum regular throughout the year. the number of copies of this list to be MILKING INSTRUCTION. printed, as it is a document of 70-80 pages. Candidates themselves do not Sir G. Jeffreys asked the Minister of receive a copy of it, but only an extract Agriculture the number of members of the giving details of their own performance. Women's Land Army or women un- No copies were furnished to any news- attached thereto who have since the start papers. of the war, learned or been taught how to milk cows; and whether he is satisfied with the measures of extension of this HEYSHAM-BELFAST STEAMER knowledge? (SAILING TIMES). Mr. Hudson: No exact analysis of Dr. Little asked the Parliamentary Women's Land Army trainees is avail- Secretary to the Ministry of War Trans able, but it may be taken that of the port whether, in order to lessen the time 15,000 members of the Land Army now at required for the journey from London to work, approximately one-half are in em- Belfäst, via Heysham, which is causing ployment which includes milking. I am much discontent, he will arrange for the not in a position to give information train from Leeds to arrive at Heysham about women outside the Women's Land shortly after the train from London, the Army who may have gained experience obviating a considerable wait there? in milking since the outbreak of war. If Colonel Llewellin: I am informed that farmers able to provide milking instruc- the intervals between the arrival of the tion will apply for Women's Land Army three trains connecting with the boat Written Answers 29 JULY 1941 Written Answers 1274 1273 from Heysham are arranged so as to July, 1941, was on the roll of employees ensure sufficient time for the completion available as pilots, or, if the total number of the formalities necessary before cannot be given, what percentage of the embarkation, and that it is impracticable above-mentioned roll was represented by to reduce the interval between the the total of each rank as classified? arrival of the first train and the sailing of the boat. I am ready to discuss the Mr. Montague: It would not be in the matter with my hon. Friend, as it is, of public interest to disclose the number of course, not in the general public interest pilots employed by the Air Transport or in the particular interest of passengers Anxiliary. Percentages of the total num- on these boats to discuss in public the ber of employees holding the ranks times of sailing. classified on the and July, 1941, repre- sented by the total of each rank and the percentages available as pilots are as ROYAL NAVY (CONVOY follows:- SIGNALMEN). Captain, 1,8 per cent., of which 52.5 Licut.-Commander Gurney Braith- per cent. are available as pilots. waite asked the First Lord of the Ad- Junior Captain 3.2 per cent., of which miralty whether be is now in a position to 100.0 per cent, are available as pilots. make a statement regarding facilities for First Officer, 42.5 per cent., of which convoy leading signalmen to pass for the rating of convoy yeoman of signals after 90.9 per cent. are available as pilots. a suitable period of sea service? Second Officer, 20.6 per cent., of which 73.0 per cent. are available as pilots. Mr. Alexander: Yes, Sir. It has been Probationary Cadets, 31.9 per cent., of decided to provide these facilities as soon as practicable. It is hoped to promul- of which 100.0 per cent. are available as pilots. gate details shortly. CEYLON (IMMIGRATION). AIR TRANSPORT AUXILIARY. Mr. David Adams asked the Under- Mr. Garro Jones asked the Minister of Secretary of State for the Colonies Aircraft Production the total revenue of whether he can make a statement on the the Air Transport Auxiliary Service in position of immigration into Ceylon of each quarterly or other convenient period non-Ceylonese labour? for which records are available and the Mr. George Hall: Discussions have been source of that revenue? proceeding for some time past between the Governments of India and Ceylon re- Mr. Montague: I would refer my hon, Friend to the answer which I gave to-day garding the immigration of Indian in reply to a similar Question on this labourers into the island. A conference matter. was held at Delhi last November, in which representatives of both Govern- Mr. Garro Jones asked the Minister of ments took part, but no settlement was Aircraft Production what total number of reached. There is reason to hope that each tank of Air Transport Auxiliary negotiations may be re-opened in the Service employees, as classified on 2nd near future. Regraded Unclassified supply! Committes JOUSE OF COMMONS -Production L475 1276 The Prime Minister (Mr. Churchill): On ORDERS OF THE DAY. 22nd January of this year 1 explained to the House the system of administration and production which it was proposed to SUPPLY. adopt. I have stated these in detail and [17TH ALLOTTED DAY.] at length, and I hope my statement may Considered in Committee. be studied again by those who have for. gotten it, because it is the system we have [Str DENNIS HRKBERT in the Chair.] followed since, and it is the system to which. in general and in principle, I pro- CIVIL ESTIMATES, 1941. pose to adhere. Changes in personnel QTY UNCLASSIFIED SERVICES. caused from time to time by the march of events and by the duty of continual Im. MINISTRY OF SUPPLY. provement. Changes in machinery (Lto PRODUCTION. enjoined by experience, and, naturally, while we live we ought to learn. Change Motion made, and Question proposed, is agreeable to the human mind and gives That 4b sum, not exceeding (go. be granted satisfaction, sometimes short-lived, to to He Majesty. to complete the sum necessary ardent and anxious public opinion. But, to defray the charge which will come in course if Parliament is convinced, and those to ul payment during the year ending on the just day of March. 1947. for the salaries and es- whom It has given its contidence are con- penses of the Ministry of Supply, including us- vinced. that the system is working well peners of the Noyal Ordnance Factories." and smoothly, then I say change for the The Chairman: There are on the Order sake of change is to be deprecated. In Paper to-day four Votes for four major war-time, especially in vast, nation-wide, Ministries-the Ministry of Supply, the and in some respects world-wide organisa- Ministry of Aircraft Production, the tion, continuity and stability must not be Ministry of Labour and National Service, underrated, If we were perpetually to be and the Admiralty I understand these altering our system or lending ourselves Votes have been put down in the belief. too lightly to that process, we might no deubt a correct belief, that the Com- achieve the appearance of energy and mittee theire to have a general and wide reform only at the expense of the authority discussion in Committee of Supply on the of individuals and only to the detriment of subject of Production. The Rules of De- the smooth working of the machinery, and bate in Committee of Supply would at a heavy cost in output, which is the normally make this quite impossible, but, sole objective. Therefore, it is at the under the circumstances and in view of point where I left off this subject when ] the emergency period, if it be the general discussed it with the House in January wish of the Committee, the Chair will that I take up my theme to-day. raise no objection. But I feel bound to add that the very rapid, I might call it There are two main aspects in which exotic, growth of these departures from production must be considered. First. the the Rules of Debate in Supply may cause organisation of planning and control, and, hon. Members, as well as the Chair, very secondly. the actual conditions present in great trouble in future, when it becomes the factories. Let us see first of all what necessary again to enforce some of these was, and what is, the system upon which Rules. I trust that the Committee, there- the high administrative control of our war fore, will bear in mind that this is not effort proceeds. The foundation must. of merely an ordinary departure. but is an course, be a single, co-ordinated plan for extraordinary departure from our Rules the programmes of the three Services for the purposes of an emergency period. based upon our strategic needs. In my In view of the rapid growth which has capacity as Minister of Defence, without taken place in these departures, I think which I could not bear the responsibilities the time hus come-and I should like hon. entrusted to me for bringing about a SUP Members to bear this in mind-when cessful outcome of the war, in that some consideration will probably have to capacity, I prepared for the War Cabinet be given to making some alterations in during the first three months of this year the Rules of Debate in Committee of a revised general scheme, bringing Supply. together the whole of our munition pio Regraded Unclassit Supply Committee 29 JULY 1941 -Production (277 1228 doction and import programme, and pre- I do not believe they bear any proportion scribing the highest reasonable target at worth mentioning to their individual and which we ought to atm. For this purpose concerted efforts. It must be remembered I was furnished with the forward pro- that a very high proportion of our war grammes of the various fighting Depart- production is carried out in factories work- ments, very much in the same way as the ing solely for one Department. That is Service Estimates are brought before the true of aircraft factories, naval shipbuild- Cabinet and the Treasury in the autumn ing firms, ordnance factories, automobile in time of peace. I discussed these pro- factories and many others. grandmes orally and in writing with the A system has also been worked out for Ministers and Service Chiefs of those the allocation of the capacity of private Departments. The programmes were also engineering firms, either to single depart- examined by my own statistical Depart- ments, or, in other casns, to two or more ment under Professor Lindemann, now Departments in stated proportions. Prob- Lord Cherwell, and through the machinery ably half the factories concerned and cer- of the Office of the Minister of Defence, tainly more than three-quarters of the men which. as the House knows, embodies the employed are working now, at this time, peace time Committee of Imperial Defence for one single Department. The Admiralty organisation. The work of these organisa- has its many firms, with their factories tions proceeds ceaselessly. The strategic dating from long ago and kept alive dur- aspect of production is also continually ing our rotten periods by Admiralty orders. considered by the Chiefs of Staff Com- The Air Ministry has been striving for a mittee. which meets every day, to advise great many years to build up an aireraft upon or direct the conduct of the war. industry in this island pending the day The general scheme, or War Supply when Parliament should deciderto have an Budget for the year 1941, a series of Air Force equal to any within striking dis- printed documents agreed with the Service tance of these shores, The War Office. Ministers and comprising a perfectly clear always in time of peace the drudge and apportionment of resources and tasks, starveling of British defence, had its own received the final approval of the War ordnance factories and was at last on the Cabinet on 31st March, and thereafter eve of the war accorded a Ministry of become mandatory on all Departments. Supply and this Ministry of Supply has There is, of coutse, no absolute finality of course extended over a very large part in this /cheme_ Within its general frame- of the remaining British industry. work revision and adjustment under the At the point which we have now presente of events are continuous. reached in our munitions development So much for the framework of the almost all firms and factories are working general layout, The execution of this under the complete control of the Govern- scheme un the military side is confined to ment at the fulfilment of the approved and the three great Supply Departments, concerted programmes, They are either usobly. the Controller's Department of working directly or indirectly in the the Admiralty, the Ministry of Supply and sphere of war production, or they are min- the Ministry of Aircraft Production. The istering to our domestic and other needs. work lias been parcelled out, and it In this domestic field also, however, a remains for them to do it. The picture so very complete and searching organisation liridly drawn of the chaotie and convul- under Government control has been insti- five struggles of the three Supply Depart- tuted. At the present moment. the whole ments, without guidance or design, is one industry of the country with inconsider- which will no doubt be pleasing to our able exceptions, which may soon be linked exemium, last happily has no relation to up and absorbed, is assigned its function the facts. The question however arises under Government authority. There are whather in their execution of the approved no doubt a number of minor aspects of scheme the three Supply Departments our national life which have not yet been have either been wanting in energy, or, on effectively regimented. When and as the contrary, through excess of zeal have they are wanted, their turn will come- We quarrelled with each other or have tres- are not a totalitarian State but we are possed upon each other's domain. There steadily, and I believe as fast as possible, are no doubt Instances of friction at the fringe of them powerful organisations, but working ourselves into total war organi- sation, When we are given vivid In- Regraded Unclassified 1979 Supply Committee HOUSE OF COMMONS Production 148) (The Prime Minister.] competent persons who work night and stances of lack of organisation or of inter- day on both sides of the ocean, in this departmental rivalry in some of the shops and factories, and when these are all sphere progressive, is, I am glad to say, steady and bunched together to make an ill-smelling posy, it in just as well to remember that Now I come to the home scene. What the area of disputation is limited, circum- are the relations of the three Supply De partments in the vast fertile production scribed and constantly narrowing. field of this busy island? I have already In order to regulate the imports of com- said that for their chief production each of modities from abroad in accordance with the Fighting Services through its Supply the policy prescribed by the War Cab- Department or Ministry to an overwhelm inet, we have, as I explained six months ing extent commands its own factories and ago, the Import Executive comprising the labour. Nevertheless, there is an inevit- heads of the Importing Departments. and able region of debatable ground of firms presided over by my right hon. Friend the which serve several Departments at once. President of the Board of Trade, and Many of them are small sub-contracting formerly by him when he was Minister of firms or firms which make components Supply, This is working very smoothly Besides this, a process of change is con and I am not aware of any troubles or tinually going forward to meet the disputes which have arisen. I should cer- rapidly varying demands of the war. A tainly hear of these soon enough if there firm is resigned by the Admiralty and cap were any. By the side of this Import be transferred either to the Ministry of Executive we have the North American Aircraft Production or to the Ministry of Supply Committee with its elaborate Supply, Particular lines of production corresponding organisation in the United acquire special urgency or importance as States. We are always trying to tighten we gain experience from the fighting or 05 up and make more precise and definite the new ideas come along. One line of pro- work of our Purchasing Commissions in duction dries up because it is no longer the United States. I should certainly not needed; another opens or grows in scale, pretend that there is not a great deal of Obviously there is rivalry in this part of room for improvement and refinement, the field between the Supply Departments but it would be a mistake to suppose that There ought to be rivalry and there ought the efficiency of our Purchasing Com- to be zealous competition within the limits missions under the supreme control of of the programme prescribed. It is the Mr. Purvis has not reached a very high zealous competition, limited though it be level or that it is not constantly being to a fraction of our industry, which pre- shaped and sharpened. A year ago, six sents the hard cases and sometimes the months ago, there were a lot of troubles bad instances of which 50 much is made: and discordances but latterly, although It is among other things for the pur- again I should be the first to hear of them, pose of resolving the disputes and rivalries my information is that they have very of the Departments in this limited field largely died away, that the Production Executive was called We have of course to como to very into being in January. The Minister of clear-cut agreements with our American Labour, himself a contributory factor a: friends and helpers. They are making an Minister of Labour to the work of the rest immense effort for the common cause and of the Executive and himself a Member they naturally ask for the fullest and of the War Cabinet, presides over a com- clearest information about what is happen- mittee of six, three of whom are the heads ing to their goods and whether there is of the Supply Departments, and the other waste or misdirection. It is our duty to two are the President of the Board of satisfy them that there is no muddle, or Trade and the Minister of Works and that muddle is reduced to a mínimum and Buildings. As I explained to the House that they are getting value for their six months ago, all the members of this money. We welcome their criticism be- body have every interest to agree. They cause it is at once searching, friendly and may have different interests to advocate well informed. The improvement in the because they have different daties to dis- ordering of imports and of the British charge, but it is a delusion to suppose purchases in the United States, and in the relations of the very large number of that they do not feel a corporate re- sponsibility and try to work together for Regraded Unclassifie Supply: Committee 19 JULY 1941 Production 1181 1451 the common purpose and for the execti- principle, and priorities are becoming tion of the approved programmes little more than a stimulus upon its de- entrusted to them. If they agree they tailed assignments. have the power to act. Each can make his contribution to the common action It is at this point and in this setting that immediately and the movement of labour 1 will deal with the suggestion that a and materials can be ordered there and Ministry of Production should be formed. then. If there is a difference which Several speakers referred to this in the cannot be settled by agreement or com- recent Debate. and apparently it is re- promise. any Minister of Cabinet rank, garded by some of our most important and they are all such, has the right of newspapers as an easy and speedy solu- tion of our difficulties. There is however appeal to the War Cabinet, or, as between the Service Supply Departments, in the a difference among the advocates of a Ministry of Production Some usk that first instance to me as Minister of Defence. During my tenure I have seen some very there should be a complete merging of sharp differences but those differences have the Supply Departments of the Admiralty, never been so sharp as they were. as I the Air Ministry and the War Office. and that there should be one great common well remember having lived through it, in the days of the last war. All I can say shop, or vast Department or emporium serving all fighting needs. That would now is that for the last four months no be very pretty if we were not at war. question of departmental rivalry or dis- Others, recoiling from the frightful dis- pute has been brought to me or the War turbance and confusion which would Cabinet from the Production Executive. accompany the transition and the danger 1 give the assurance to the House to-day of npsetting so much in the midst of war, that in the high controlling organisation are content to ask for one Minister, pre- there is now no dispute in progress about sumably assisted by a secretarial staff, priorities of labour, raw materials, fac- who should be interposed between the tory space or machine tools. Do not Prime Minister and Minister of Defence suppose however that this remarkable and the three Supply Departments. fact is the result of inertia or decay. On Nothing would be easier than for me to the contrary. as I shall show before I sit gratify this request by asking one of my down_1 am afraid I shall have to make colleagues in the War Cabinet to call a. somewhat prolonged demand on the himself Minister of Production and to patience of the Committee, the subject is duplicate the work of general apportion- of great importance and must be dealt ment which I already do. But, so far with comprehensively-production in all from helping me in my task, or helping its forms is gaining steadily and swiftly, the Departments in theirs, this would be not only in volume, but, even at its an additional complication, burden and present high altitude, in momentum. cause of delay. I may say, while I am on the point, Moreover, the relations of this Minister that much of this talk about the difficulties of Production with the three Supply De- of settling priorities is a back number. partments would be most unsatisfac- The whole business of priorities has under- tory. He would either have to trust gone a complete transformation. We them and use them, as I do, for the pur- have no more of these arrogant, absolute pose of executing the prescribed pro- priorities in virtue of which one Depart- grammes, or he would be left to break ment claimed all that there was of a par- into these Departments, interfere with ticular commodity and left nothing for the their work and try to get things done by lesser but indispensable needs of others. his personal exertions. The Ministers at Although the IA priority is still main- the head of these Departments are men tained largely for psychological reasons, of energy, experience and knowledge. for certain particular spheres of produc- They work night and day, and they have tion such as aircraft, and tanks now, it powerful, far-reaching, swift-running is no longer exercised in the crude manner machinery at their disposal. If, in the of the last war or in the early months of sphere assigned to them, they carmot this The method of allocation of labour, execute the programme with which they materials, and facilities has modified and are charged, I do not myself ser how a to a large extent replaced the scale of super Minister from outside, with his priorities. Allocation is the governing skeleton staff, could do it for them. If Regraded Unclassified 1253 Supply: Committee HOUSE OF COMMONS Production F2X (The Prime Minister.] are many things that go wrong and ought the new Minister's control were nominal, to be put right, but does anyone in la and did not affect the Ministerial respon- senses suggest that this should be the task sibility of the heads of the Supply De- of the super Minister, that he should take partments, it would be a farce and a fraud up the hard cases and breakdowns upon the public to which I will not stoop. by direct intervention from above? All If, on the other hand, the Minister of Pro- he could do would be to refer complaints duction attempted to lay strong hands on or scandals that came to his notice to the internal administration and day-to- the heads of the three Supply Depan- day work of these Departments, they ments, and, if he did not get satisfaction. would confront him with a knowledge he, having no power to remove or change superior to his own and far more intimate, the Ministers involved. would have to and all the resulting differences would come to me, on whom rests the respon- have to come to me, with very great fric- sibility of advising His Majesty in such tion to the administrative machine and matters. additional burdens upon the head of the For good or ill. in any sensible of Government. gonisation you must leave the execution Furthermore, these matter's cannot be of policies already prescribed to the n. considered without reference to the per- sponsible Ministers and Departments. If sonalities involved. I have not been told they cannot do it, no one can, It is to who is to be this superman who, without them that complaints should be addressed. holding the office of Prime Minister, is to It is to them that Members should write exercise an overriding control and initia- Any case of which full particulars any tive over the three Departments of provided-I must add that proviso-will Supply and the three Ministers of Supply. be searchingly examined. We do not Where is the super-personality who, as stand here to defend the slightest failum one of the members of the War Cabinet, of duty or organisation. But let US have will dominate the vast, entrenched, estab- the facts. A kind of whispering can- lished, embattled organisation of the Ad- paign has been set on foot; there in a miralty to whose successful exertions we flood of anonymous letters, Vague and owe our lives? Where is the War general charges are made, And all this Cabinet Minister who is going to teach the fills our shop window, greatly to our detri present Minister of Aircraft Production ment. It is impossible for me, within the how to make aircraft quicker and better limits of this Debate, to deal with variom than they are being made now? Who is specific allegations which were made by the War Cabinet Minister who is going Members in different parts of the House to Interfere with Lord Beaverbrook's con- in the two preceding days of this Debato. trol and discharge of the functions of Such a treatment of the matter would Minister of Supply duly and constitution- be entirely out of proportion, and 1 should ally conferred upon him? When you have to trespass upon the Committee at- have decided on the man. let me know together unduly. his name, because I should be very glad I turn aside, however, for 11. moment to to serve under him. provided that I was deal with one particular aspect of the satisfied that he possessed all the problem of production, namely machine Napoleonic and Christian qualities attri- tools. The Times," in its leading article buted to him. In the conduct of vast, nation-wide administration there must be this morning, makes the valuable sugges tion that a census of machine tools division of functions, and there must be throughout the country should be held. proper responsibility assigned to the de- There have already been three-in June, partmental chiefs. They must have the 1940, in November, 1940, and a partial power and authority to do their work, and census of the principal firms in June. be able to take a proper pride in it when it is done, and be held accountable for 1941. The Supply Ministers are respon- sible for the use of machine tools to the it if it is not done, best advantage. There is, however, a Moreover, as I have tried to show, such controller of machine tools, Mr. Mills, a difficulties as exist are not found at the business man of the highest repute, whose summit but out in the country in a sole duty is to supervise their employment minority of smaller firms and fuctories. by all Departments. By the joint agree I do not for a moment deny that there ment and good will of the three Supply Regraded Unclassifie supply: Committee 29 JULY 1941 -Production 1386 1285 Departments, this gentleman has inde- part of our common organisation for war sentatives throughout the country. pendent powers. He has his own repre- production has been more thoroughly and precisely examined than the question Although he is actually under the Ministry of machine tools. No one can be engaged, of Supply, be can remove any machine as my right hon, Friend the Member for tool that is idle from any Department or Carnarvon Boroughs (Mr. Lloyd George) factory and transfer it to another, and he knows, in munition production for one is continually exercising these powers. He day without feeling that this is, as it exercised them on several occasions against were, the ganglion nerve, the centre of the the late Minister of Aircraft Production whole of supply. I said just now that I before the recent changes in the Govern- cannot go bato details of many of the ment took place. This functionary is cases which hon Members brought up in given these powers with good will by the Debate, If they will write about people who wish to submit their Depart- them, they will be gone into in detail. munts to lús user of them. There was, however, one charge made There (ID), however. three limiting by my hon. Friend the Member for factors in the use of machine tools. The North Aberdeen (Mr, Garro Jones) which, first is my shortage that may exist of as it has had wide publicity and as it delited labour, which we are striving by affects the United States supplies, requires every method to overcome. The second is to be answered. My hon. Friend said the indonbted difficulty we have found in The and (eature of the United States working to the full extent night shifts supply of aircraft is that whereas orders Will under conditions of air attack. It is the energetically placed in the last two years un more for airframos and engines. those who thind limiting factor which gives rise to placed them forgot at the same time to ensure the complaints which are made. I am not that supplies of maintenance equipment and an expert in these matters, but I am told ancillary equipment were provided. What is that there are between 200 and 300 kinds the result? OL one type of aircraft imported from the United States, complete and opera- of machine tools in our census. Their tionally ready, there are several hundreds-or effective use is governed by certain preci- were a few weeks ago-lying unpacked in should marhine tools of which there is a short- inland warehouses, in their crates. for the sole age. 1 need not say how intense are the reason that those who placed the orders on behalf of the Ministry of Aircraft Prin efforts to break down these vexatious duction did not order the necessary ancillary bottle-necks. Moreover, the precision equipment. OFFICIAL REPORT, 9th July, tools of which there is a shortage vary 1941: col. 204, Vol. 373-1 sometimes with the varying demands of So far as aircraft on British orders are war production, and sometimes the block concerned, this statement is quite untrue. in found here and sometimes there. Thus, All British orders for American aircraft when people go about the country and have always been placed with spare en- NOC at some garage or factory or in some gines and spares for airframes. There small firm 0. number of machine tools has been DO failure or oversight of this of the lower grades, or of peace-time kind in ordering British aircraft. specialised types, lying idle and write to The mistake into which my hon. Friend their Member about it, the explanation is has fallen arose from an exceptional not that the supply of machine tools is not event. When the French collapsed. all organized to the highest degree, not that their contracts for aircraft in the United the Government do not know about these States were taken over immediately, for machine tools, where they are and what what they were worth, by the Minister of they are, not that they do not in general Aircraft Production There was not an know about them and have them on their hour's delay. These aircraft had to be consus list, It is because, owing to the accepted in the condition in which they shortage at key points of special precision were prepared for the French, under types, many of these tools cannot be French orders. This is the case to which brought into action, and there would be I am sure reference was made in this no sense in ctowding out the factories with passage of my hon. Friend's speech. They redundant machinery. had to be accepted in the condition in That is a digression which I have made which the French had specified them and because I have read with some interest in which they were delivered by the the Times thoughtful article which appears in the American manufacturers. This was 2. this morning Hardly any windfall, but it had its drawbacks. For Regraded Unclassified 1287 Supply: Committes HOUSE OF COMMONS Production rela [The Prime Minister.] say, shared by the American authorities. Instance, the French Tomahawks arrived [ presided at a recent meeting attended without spare engines or spares for their by Mr. Harry Hopkins, the Lease-Lemil airframes, exactly as my hon. Friend authority, to whose words we listened pointed out. They were built to take with so much comfort the other night French guns. Their wireless sets did not He, with his full knowledge and attended tune with ours. Their instruments were by expert American officers, dwelt upon on the metric system. They were not the trials and difficulties attending the armoured according to our conditions. modification of aircraft from the United They differed in many ways from our States on French account and expressed methods of control and manonuvre. In- satisfaction with the arrangements We had stead of pushing some lever forwards, you made to overcome them. But outside this had to pull it backwards, which our pilots circle, who know all the facts, inside the found most inconvenient. United States, where there is a vigorous As swiftly as possible these aircraft have campaign against the policy pursued by been modified and brought into use. The the President and the majority, I fear that cannibal system was frequently re- harm has been done, and it cannot be sorted to of necessity, leaving lots of them easily overtaken or honled. partly gutted, but practically all of these What are the other elements which pro French American aeroplanes are in use duce oscillations or discordances in the and have been most satistactory in opera- process of production? They arise, of tion. Now there is the whole of that course, out of the changing conditions of story that has been paraded as a typical the war. As new needs arise, new direc- scandal and example of how we do our tions have to be given, which W- business. doubtedly cause disturbances in the Bow Mr. Garro Jones (Aberdeen, North): of production, but I must say I have the No one would be more delighted than I feeling that the British machinery of pro- to feal that British aeroplane orders were duction. vast and intricate though it be, complete with operational equipment. My is capable not only of flexible adaptation right hon. Friend has told the Committee but of sustaining successfully a number that the types ordered for the French were of inevitable jerks. These take place, for not complete with operational equipment. instance, largely in the sphere of aircraft Did I understand him correctly to say that production. The Minister of Aircraft the types ordered for British use were Production explained to the House on the complete with their operational equip- second day of this Debate the constant ment? changes in the design of aircraft which arose from the progress of our aero- The Prime Minister: Yes, I said that as nautics and our experience of manufacture plainly as I could. I said that the sug- and war. He showed how it was some gestion that they had not been ordered times inevitable that there should be a with their operational equipment was un- break in the continuity of production true, and I adhere to it. Everything that because one type had failed and another has been ordered on British account has had proved itself, because one type WM been ordered complete. The aeroplanes being taded out and another being worked ordered on French account were lacking in, and how this must happen when you in this equipment. An inquiry addressed to the Minister concerned would have run the risk of ordering off the drawing elícited an immediate explanation. but board and carrying out large orders on when allegations of this sort are given the the basis of the pilot model without having utmost publicity in Parliament by a Mem- the time to go though all the processes ber speaking from the front Bench oppo- which in peace-time make the completion site, uninformed American readers-here of the aeroplane from the moment of its is where the serious part comes-must conception a matter of five or six years. come to the conclusion that there is dis- It is a difficult question to decide when organisation and incapacity in the conduct the mass production of a particular type of our munitions business, and this should be discarded in favour of a new and opinion, so damaging to us, would be better type, and to what intensity such a based entirely on misconception and mis- process of transformation should be car- understanding. It Is not, 1 am glad to ried. I think on the whole. at this Regraded Unclassifie supply: Committee 29 JULY 1941 Production 120 1290 moment. WE have carried it a bit far. Air- and constructive. I have read the Seven- graff of a particular type which slowly teenth Report of the Select Committee OD work up to the peak of production may National Expenditure. It deals with the be discarded after too short a run at the conditions in the filling factories. These peak level-no doubt for very good are admittedly far from satisfactory, reasons, very fine reasons, greater bomb Since the war began great factories have capacity, greater speed and so forth. been built in out-of-the-way districts, Simplification and continuity of sérial pro- without time to meet the needs and duction are, of course the basic factors amenities of the working population questity in securing flow of output, and They have not by any means yet reached it is a question of balancing between the their full capacity and proper standards. two sides. All the same, believe me, Although we have been making many mastery of the air, leadership and com- millions of shells there are still several mand in design cannot possibly be millions of shells and their components sebleved except by a process of intermin- including fuses, which are not yet filled. able trial and error and the scrapping of But there is no need for alarm, but rather old types. Something better comes along. for greater exertion, because in this war You cannot afford to miss it, even if you we are firing shells at men and not. as have to pay, and pay heavily. in numbers m the last war, so largely at ground. Nor of output or dislocation in a section of the have we a great battlefront continuously workshops. The struggle for air mastery engaged. We are making on an enormous requires vost numbers, but those vast scale, but we are not firing on any scale. numbers could not succeed alone unless It is important to remember in the battles the forward leading types constantly in the desert the difficulties of getting achieve the highest level of enterprise and ammunition to the places where the guns perfection. Combat in the air is the are, and since the front in France broke quintossence of all physical struggle. To down there is no field of fire for our lose primacy in the quality of the latest artillery. Therefore, what we have wit- machines would be incompatible with the nessed is not, as in the last war, as I attainment of that command of the air in know so well and as did my right hon. quality and in quantity upon which a large Friend before me, the feeling of intense part of our confidence is founded. effort to feed the guns from day to day, but we are piling up large and satisfactory I am glad to tell the Committee that our reserves with no corresponding outflow to spring and summer fashions in aircraft drain them off at the present time. Let are this year farther ahead of contempor- me say nothing which would in any way Ary German production than they were remove from the minds of those engaged last year. The enemy borrowed many in the filling factories the view that catch- ideas from our fighter aeroplanes when he ing up with the filling of the already large felt their mettle a year ago, and we stores of components, fuses and shell-cases borrowed from him too, but in the upshot is not a work of prime and high order and We have confronted him in 1941 with of national importance. fighter aircraft which in performance, Representatives of the Select Commit- speed, celling and, above all, gun arma- tee visited the filling factories in June and ments have left our pilots with the old, they produced a number of extremely and even an added, sense of technical shrewd and valuable suggestions dealing superiority. It would take too long to with transport, hostels, canteens, Sunday describe, as I easily could do, some of the work and piece-work. We agree with smaller causes of oscillation which affect nearly all of them. We will adopt almost the execution of the Navy and Army all of them. We agree with them the supply programmes. I could show in a more readily and we em adopt them the way which I think would satisfy the Com- more speedily because, as I see from the mittee that a certain measure of change, records, on 7th January and on 5th with resulting dislocation, is inevitable February, in my capacity as Minister of under the strenuous conditions of war, but Defence. I presided over two successive I do not propose to enter upon either of meetings of the Supply Committee on this those fields to-day, very subject. Almost every one of these proposals had already been ordered to be Let me come, on the other hand, to put into operation months before, and has an example of criticism which is helpful been or la being carried into effect with No. or Regraded Unclassified Supply: Committee HOUSE OF COMMONS 129% Production 17y1 [The Prime Minister.] be voting against the Government or Mill very great improvement, in spite of the many difficulties attendant upon the as tellers. less because the party Whips are acting bringing into action of these great new We are often told that the House of plants in out-of-the-way districts under Commons thinks this or M feels that the conditions which prevailed last winter. Newspapers write: The general feeling I have here a detailed account of all was of grave uneasiness, There was that had been set on foot or that had much disquiet in the Lobby," etc. All been done before the Select Committee this is telegraphed all over the world and visited the factories. I will send it to the produces evil effects. No-one has a right chairman of the Committee for their to say what is the opinion of the House further observations. It is too long of Commons. We suffer now from not for me to read to the Committee in having divisions. We have Debates, to detail, bat it shows that great minds some- which a very small minority of Members times think alike, and that the Govern- are able to contribute, because of the ment great minds had a good long start time, They express their anxiety and of the great minds of the Select Com- grievances and make our affairs out GS mittee. The report of the Select Com- bad as they possibly can. and these bulk mittee is the kind of criticism that one unduly in the reports which reach the wants-not mere vague abuse and pre- public or are heard abroad. These Mem. judice, in which only bad citizens and bers do not represent the opinion of the bad people indulge in times like these, but House of Commons or of the nation, nor helpful and constructive suggestions, do their statements give a true picture of many of which were contained in the the prodigious war effort of the British speeches made from the Front Bench people. Parliament should be an arena opposite. in which grievances and complaints be come vocal. The Press also should be a I leave the first part of this subject, prompt and vigilant alarm bell, ringing dealing with discordances and short- when things are not going right But il comings alleged to be attributable to is a very heavy burden added to the faults or weaknesses in the high control, others we have to bear if, without a vote and I come to the more general charges being cast, the idea should be spread at of stackness and inefficiency in the fac- home and abroad that it is the opinion tories themselves, whether due to local of the House of Commons that our affairs lack of management or to lack of zeal are being conducted in an incompetent in the workpeople. There is a certain and futile manner and that the whole class of member of all parties-you can gigantic drive of British industry is just count them on your fingers and toes— one great muddle and flop who feel, no doubt quite sincerely, that People speak of workmen getting £6. L7 their war work should be to belabour the or £8 a week and not giving a fair return Government and portray everything at its to the State. It is also asserted, on the worst, in order to produce a higher offi- other hand, that the workmen are eager ciency. I see that a Motion has been put to work, but that the mismanagement on the Paper calling specifically for the from the summit is such that they an appointment of a Minister of Production, left for weeks or even months without the I consider that to be a perfectly proper raw material, or the particular com- step for the Members concerned to take. ponent or the special direction which they I regret only that the Motion cannot be require for their task. We may be quite moved in this form to-day: It the Mem- sure that in an organisation which deala bers who have fathered it do not feel with so many millions of people under all satisfied with the reasons 1 have given the stresses of the present time and in against creating a Minister or a Ministry view of the present conditions, as well of Production, I hope that they will not as the inevitable oscillations of war-tinm hesitate to go to a Division by moving 11. which I have mentioned, there are a great nominal reduction of one of the Votes many faults, but we must try sedulously we are discussing. That is the straight- to eradicate those faults and to raise the forward and manly course. No-one harmony and cohesion of our whole pro- should be deterred in war-time from doing ductive effort. Here again, it is im- his duty merely by the fact that he will portant to preserve a sense of proportion Regraded Unclassifie supply: Committee 29 JULY 1941 Production 1293 and not to be led away by thinking that was said, becomes the subject of lively hard cases, wrong deeds and minor or discussion out there. local discordances represent more than a very small traction of our war perform- Australian troops are bearing with great distinction much of the brunt of the ance. It is DO less important-indeed, in fighting in the Middle East, and it must a way it is even more important-not to sum up and condemn the whole effort of be very painful to Australians to be told the nation as if it were expressed in these that we are only making a three-quarter discordances and failures. That is my effort here at home to put proper weapons complaint about the recent Debate and in their hands. In America, such a the USE made of it by certain sections of statement is meat and drink to the Isola- the Press and the results upon our own tionist forces. Americans are being asked self-contidence and still more upon opinion to pay much heavier takes, to give up friendly, hostile or balancing in foreign their food, to alter their daily lives, and to reduce their motor cars, indulgencies countries? and pleasures of all kinds, in order to Mr. A. Bevan (Ebbw Vale): Who said help Britain, and 1 cannot help being that? deeply disturbed when they are told on what seems to be high British authority The Prime Minister: 1 am quoting no that we are making only a three-quarter particular person, 1 am saying that the hearted effort to help ourselves. My hon. effect of the Debate was to give that hos- Friend's allegation has been wrested from de impression. When I read the Debate, its context, I have no quarrel with him, that was the effect it had upon me, and I but it has gone to all parts of the country set myself to present a complete picture and to all quarters of the world: but to the Committee. I was distressed at nothing can be done about that. this aspect of the matter. I therefore ventured to ask the House to resume the What is important is whether it is true: Debate. and 1 should be glad to have the but how difficult to decide because, after matter bronght to a plain issue. It is on all, this is a double expression of opinion this footing and with these preliminaries -first, as to whether it is 75 per cent, or in dealing with the second sphere of my not, and, secondly, 75 per cent. of what? I have tried to find a datum line, and I subject. namely, what is going on in the take as the datum line the three months factories, that I come to the remark of my hon. Friend the Member for Kidder- after Dunkirk. Then, it will be admitted, minster (Sir J. Wardlaw-Milne), who said our people worked to the utmost limit of that our people are only working up to their moral, mental and physical strength. 75 per cent of their possible efficiency." Men fell exhausted at their lathes, and I am well aware that, in making that workmen and working women did not statement, my hon, Friend did not wish take their clothes off for a week at a time. to attack the Government or in any way Meals, rest, and relaxation all faded from to embarrass the national defence; in fact, their minds, and they just carried on to be has been ill-used. This particular sell- the utmost limit of their strength. Thus tence has beeu wrested from its context there was a great spurt in June, July and and from the whole character of his August of last year. Immense efforts speech. Nevertheless, as Chairman of the were made, and every semi-finished Select Committee on National Expendi- weapon was forced through to completion. lury, he holds a very responsible position very often at the expense of immediate and is credited with exceptional know- future production, producing an alto- ledge. A statement like this, coming from gether abnormal inflation of production. him, although uttered with the best of So let us take those three months as the motives, is serious, when it is broadcast datum line; you could not have a harder apart from its context. I have to think of test. its effect in Australia, for instance. where Now is It true that we are only work- party politics are pursued with the same ing 75 per cent of that? There are cer- robust detachment as was exhibited by tainly one or two reasons why we cannot our (orerunners in this House in the seven- wholly recapture and maintain indefi- feenth and eighteenth centuries. A state- nitely the intense personal efforts of # ment like this, taken out of its context, year ago. First of all, if we are to win or in a very summarised version of what this war-and I feel solidly convinced Nv, 91 C # Regraded Unclassified 1295 Supply Committee HOUSE OF COMMONS -Production 1295 [The Prime Minister.] that We shall-It will be largely. by stay- will be brought. I know of the know arrangements which have been made to ing power. For that purpose you must have reasonable minimum holidays for send DR food in nourishing, varied and more interesting quantifies. Therefore the masses of the workers, there must, as my hon. Friend himself urged in his there is no need to tell me I am helping Lord Haw-Haw If he never gets any speech, be one day in seven of rest as a general rule, and there must be, subject more consolation than he gets from me, his lot will be As hard as his doserts. to coping with bottle-necks and with Every effort will be made, and is being emergencies which know no law, a few made, to supplement this deficiency, and breaks and where possible one week's I share the hope of the Minister of Food holiday in the year. Since what I will and the Minister of Agriculture that Our call the Dunkirk three months datum rations in 1942 will be more stimulating period, we have undoubtedly relaxed to and more tensely nourishing than in 1941. that extent. Sunday work is practically eliminated, and brief periods of leisure That is the second reason. The first have been allowed to break the terrible is the need for some relaxation; than routine strain of continuous employment. there Is this question of food, which has I am quite sure that if we had not done come upon us gradually and which by 50, We should have had a serious crack serious. I wish it to be known all over which would have cost far more in pro- the United States that it is serious, duction than these brief periods of rost because it encourages them in their from labour. actions. The third reason is this: Look at all the dilution we have had. It is Next, allowances must be made for the estimated that one-third more people are very severe change in the diet of the working in the war industries than there heavy manual worker. It is quite true were a year ago. A great many of these that no one has gone short of food; there are trainees and newcomers. It would has been no hunger, there has not been not be wonderful if they failed to preserve the confusion of the last war at some the same level of output per pair of periods, but no one can pretend that the human hands as was achieved by the diet of the British people and especially skilled craftsmen of a year or I8 months of their heavy workers has not become ago. Naturally they will improve. They for less stimulating and interesting than are improving, but dilution means a no- it was a year ago. Except for our Fight- duction in efficiency per pair of human ing Services, we have been driven back hands in the earlier stages. to a largé extent from the carnivore to the Then, fourthly, there has been a great herbivore. That may be quite satisfac- dislocation by reason of the air raids, by tory to the dietetic scientists who would which the Germans hoped to smash up like to make us all live on nuts, but un- our industries and break down our power doubtedly it has produced. and is pro- of resistance last autumn and winter. ducing a very definite effect upon the Air-raid destruction, extraordinary energetic output of the heavy worker. blitzes on our ports and manufacturing [Interruption.] The Noble Lord knows centres, the restrictions of the black-out, I could discuss a great many matters in the interruption and delays of transporta- Secret Session, but he is one of the first tion, all played their delaying and die to get up and say he would like to have locating parts. The remedy and counter- these discussions in public, under condi- measure which was proposed and carried tions where nothing can be said by the through when possible with such extreme Government in answer to the kind of vigour by the Supply Departments, with criticism with which he associated him- Lord Beaverbrook and the Ministry of Air- self. We want more meat in the mines craft Production in the van as the in- and the foundries, and we want more spiring force, took the form of dispersion. cheese. Why should that gratify Lord This was a matter of life and death, in Haw-Haw? Lord Haw-Haw should also the aircraft industry as well as in other bear in mind the statement of Mr. Harry key war industries, The great Bristol Hopkins the other day, on the intention firm, for instance, was dispersed into of the Uinted States to see that we get nearly 45 such centres. I could give you our food. and of their intention to keep -and the enemy too-a score of instances clear the sea-lanes by which our food of the dispersion of firms to 20, 30 or 10 Supply Committee 29 JULY 1941 -Production 1298 1997 All this has been an money for the critics. A handful of Mem- obstacle such centres. to the smooth running of produc- bers can fill a couple of days' Debate with don. It has placed us, however, in a disparaging charges against our war effort, position in which we are immune from and every ardent or disaffected section of mortal damage from enemy air raids in the Press can take it up. and the whole our aircraft production and other branches can cry a dismal cacophonous chorus of of munitions. We may suffer, we may stinking fish all round the world. But no be retarded. we can no longer be answer must be made, nothing must be destroved. When a great firm like the said to show the ginnt war effort, the Bristol firm is divided and dispersed, con- prodigy of national zeal, which excites the sidet the trials of the workpeople and the astonishment of friend and for, which will problems of the management. Work- command the admiration of history, and people by the thousand have to be moved which has kept us alive. from their honns, plant has to be shifted, nimed factories have to be reconditioned, I defy these tyrannical prohibitions. I domostic affairs have somehow or other to intend to make comparisons, both with be adjusted. often with great sacrifice and the Dunkirk datum period and with the hardship, and it is a marvel what has been similar and peak periods of the last war Despite all the troubles I have enumer- dow to overcome these grievous and novel difficulties. That they hamper the ated, the Ministry of Supply output in the last three months has been one-third pace and intensity of production was greater than in the three months of the inevitable. Dunkirk period. Though our Navy, I have now described to the Committee Army and Air Force are larger, the 3 number of solid factors which have Ministry has one-third more people work- fallen upon us since the Dunkirk period, ing in its factories. Thus, despite dilu- all of which have tended to obstruct and tion, dispersion, reduced food, the black- reduce output. I should like to give the out, and all the troubles I have described, Committee some facts and figures to show each man is turning out, on the whole, how far we have succeeded, by improved each day. as much as he did in that time organisation and by the smoother running ol almost superhuman effort. Let me of our expanding machinery, in over- present the balance-sheet. One-third coming these adverse currents which I more workers and one-third more output have set out at length. But here I is quits. But all the adverse factors I encounter a new difficulty. I am told we have described have somehow or other cannot have these Debates in Secret been cancelled out by superior develop- Session: they must be in public. The ment of our machinery and organisation, Germans must read in two or three days We have made, in the last three months, every word We say, and therefore I can- more than twice the field guns we made give actual figures. In addition, 1 am told in the Dunkirk period. The ammunition by my hon. Friends to Let us have none we are turning out is half as much again. of those comparative percentages; let us The combined merchant and naval ship- not be told that we are producing hall as building now in active progress is bigger, much again or double what we produced not only in scale but in current daily this time last year, because we were pro- volume of execution, than it was at any ductug nothing last year or something like period in the last war, and, of course, the As my hon. Friend said, it is a Lan- work now is immeasurably more complex cashire saying that Twice nowt is than it was then. nowt, So, according to these critica, I In aircraft production it is foolish to sin mhibited from all vindicatory com- calculate only by the number of machines, partions, 1 must not say how much though these have largely increased, be- better Wg: are than at this time last year cause one machine takes 5,000 man-hours, when, after all, we had been at war for IO and another, 75,000 man-hours. Judged, or II months, and so were presumably however, either by the test of numbers or making something, I must not say how man-hours eventuating in aircraft produc- much better we are than at the twenty-third tion, the increase even above the spurt month of the last war, nor how our output period of a year ago is substantial, The compares with the peak of the last war, increase since this Government took office because it is contended conditions have is enormous, and I should be proud to ranged. Well, Sir. this is rather easy tell the Committee what it is am not Regraded Unclassified 1209 Supply: Committee HOUSE OF COMMONS -Production 1300 [The Prime Minister.) of collecting workers from unessential going to do so, because the enemy do not industries, We shall produce even more tell us their figures, much as we should like to have them. The Committee must, But to reach, in two years the level only achieved in the fourth year of the last war therefore, be content with my assurance is, I venture to submit, an achievement that progress and expansion on a great which deserves something better than scale are continuous, and are remorselessly Aonts and jeers. spurred on. This progress has been ac- complished under the fire of the enemy, We are told how badly labour is behav- under air assault, which Hitler was led ing, and then a lot of people who new to believe would shatter our industries and did a day's hard work in their lives are reduce us to impotence and subjection. out after them. Again I claim to look It has been done in spite of the difficulties back to the last war. In that war We of dispersion. and has been done not only had many bitter and devastating strikes, with no sacrifice in quality but with a and in the final two years nearly gain in quality, both actual and relative. 12,000,000 working days were lost Now that the air battles are developing through labour disputes. So far, in the again in scale and intensity we can claim whole 23 months of this war, we have lost that our fighters are at least as much less than 2,000,000 days. I was anxious ahead of the enemy as when we defeated to have the latest information about trade him a year ago. disputes in the country. I received, a few minutes before I rose to speak, a report As for the bombers, in the year that has that at II o'clock to-day there was no passed, in British production alone, taking stoppage of work of any kind arising from no account of the now rapidly expanding a trade dispute in any part of Great United States imports, we have doubled Britain. It is the fashion nowadays to our power of bomb discharge on Germany abuse the Minister of Labour. He is 1 al 1,500 miles range, and in the next three workman, a trade union leader. He is months, though this time taking account tannted with being an unskilled labourer of the American reinforcements. we shall representing an unskilled union. I dare- double it again. In the six months after say he gives offence in some quarters, be that we shall redouble it. Resides all this has his own methods of speech and action. we have ploughed the land, and, by the He has a frightful load to carry; he has I grace of God, have been granted the job to do which none would envy. He greatest harvest in living memory, perhaps makes mistakes, like I do, though not to the greatest we have ever known in these many or so serious-he has not got the Islands. So much for comparison with same opportunities. At any rate he in the high level of the Dunkirk period. producing, at this moment, though per- Now I turn to some comparisons with haps on rather expensive terms. a vast the last war. That was a terrible war. It and steady volume of faithful effort, the lasted 52 months; there was frightful like of which has not been seen before. stanghter; there WILS an immense British And if you tell me that the results la effort; there was a complete final victory. produces do not compare with those of We are now in the twenty-third month, totalitarian systems of government and We have lost large stocks of equipment on society, I reply by saying. We shall the beaches of Dunkirk, our food has been know more about that when we get to the rationed. our meat reduced. we have been end of the story." bombed and blacked out, and yet, even in I daresay that some of our critics will this seventh quarter of the war, our total not like this kind of talk. They call if output of war-like stores has been nearly complacency. Living in comparative idle- twice as great as our total output of pro- ness, they wish to lash the toilers of body duction in the corresponding seventh quar- and mind to further exertions. To state ter of the lust war, and has equalled our facts which are true and encouraging is to production in the fourteenth and culminal- be accused of a cheap and facile optimism. ing quarter of the last war. We have rather Our critics do not like it; neither do the more workers in the metal industry than Germans, but for different reasons. But we had then. When all those now work- I consider that if, for days on end, the ing to complete and equip our new whole national effort is disparaged and factories become available, and the insulted, and if, all over the world. we an Ministry of Labour has completed its task depicted by our friends and countrymen Regraded Unclassifie Supply: Committee 39 JULY 1941 -Production 1302 1301 stacks rotten and incompetent, we are some extent become available to them- entitled. as nay, It becomes a pressing duty. all these restrain rejoicing and forbid the to restore the balance by presenting the slightest relaxation. It would be madness for us to suppose that Russia or the United truth. A number of Votes have been put down States is going to win this war for us. The basis of this Debate. I do not think invasion season is at hand. All the 1 shall be out of Order if 1 place our dis- Armed Forces have been warned to be at cussion in Its relation to the general concert pitch by 1st September and to aspects of the war before we separate for retain the utmost vigilance meanwhile. 9 short Recess, during which Members We have to reckon with a gambler's will be able to regain contact with their desperation. We have to reckon with a constituents and Ministers to give un- criminal who by a mere gesture has de- divided attention to their work. When I creed the death of 3,000,000 or 4,000,000 look out upon the whole tumultuous scene of Russian and German soldiers, We of this ever-widening war, I feel it my stand here still the champions. If we fail, duty to conclude by giving a very sérious all fails and if We fall, all will fall to- warning to the House and to the country. gether. It is only by a superb, intense We must be on our guard equally against and prolonged effort of the whole British pessimism and against optimism. There Empire that the great combination of are, no doubt, temptations to optimism. about three-quarters of the human race It is the fact that the mighty Russian against Nazidom will come into vehement State, so foully and treacherously as- and dynamic life, For more than 1A year saulted, has struck back with magnifi- we have been all alone: all alone, we have cont strength and courage, and is had to guard the treasure of mankind. inflicting prodigious and well-deserved Although there have been profound and slaughter for the first time upon the Nazi encouraging changes in the situation, our armies. It is the fact that the United own vital and commanding responsibilities remain undiminished; and we shall dis- States, the greatest single Power in the world, is giving us aid on a gigantic scale charge them only by continuing to pour out in the common cause the utmost en- and advancing in rising wrath and con- viction to the very verge of the war. It deavours of our strength and virtue and, is the fact that the German air superiority if need be, to proffer the last drop of our heart's blood. has been broken. and that the air àttacks on this country have for the time being Mr. Erskine Hill (Edinburgh, North): almost crased. It is the fact that the We have just heard a speech which I Battle of the Atlantic, although far from think will long remain with all of us. It won, has, partly through American inter- is not easy to follow a speech of that sort vention, moved impressively in our by making new suggestions even though favour. It is the fact that the Nile Valley meant constructively. The Prime Minis- is now far safer than it was 12 months ter told us that he welcomed constructive ago of three months ago. It is the fact criticism, and I assure him that any criti- that the enemy has lost all pretence of cism that 1 make will be along those theme or doctrine, and is sunk ever lines. I am not one of those who think deeper in moral and intellectual degrada- that our war effort should be despised or tion and bankruptcy, and that almost all that all workers, employers, and indeed his conquests have proved burdens and all the citizens of this country, have not sources of weakness, played a great part. But it is important But all these massive towering facts, that we should consider not only what which We are entitled to dwell on, must has been done, but how we can bring not lead as for a moment to suppose that about improvements. It may be that the the worst is over. The formidable power percentage of efficiency is not so high as of Nazi Germany, the vast mass of de- my hon. Friend who was referred to in the structive munitions that they have made Debate suggested, or that production has or captured, the courage, skill and descended 50 low. It may be that the audacity of their striking forces, the work we are doing is more satisfactory, ruthlessness of their centralised war-direc- But I am sure that it would be the wish Gon, the prostrate condition of so many of the Prime Minister that we should all great peoples under their yoke, the re- get together and consider whether we can smittons of so many lands which may to make a greater offort and whether we can Regraded Unclassified 1303 Supply: Committee HOUSE OF COMMONS -Production (Mr. Hill.] improve our system. One must look not which would actually strengthen the working of the Ministry of Production only to the aspect which was closely dealt and other Departments: These defects with by the Prime Minister, but to the actual machinery in the Ministry itself, to could be cured if promotion was altered and the question of dismissal for ineffie). see whether that can be improved. ency during the war was taken into It seems to me a mistake, which we account, What is the fault? There are cannot rectify at this stage altogether. many excellent Civil servants, but then that the system has been built up upon a are a number who do not think for them- Civil Service which was good in peace- selves. There are the Yes-men and time, which was the best that could be the No-men,' who are only too willing got together, and which had traditions of to obstruct, and there are the officials the highest possible order. I cannot feel who cannot make up their OWD minds that we ought not to consider why we The national effort will be impeded unless may not be reaching that 100 per cent. the ordinary rules are altered for the which we would desire to attain. Is the period of the war. machine at fault or is it the statting of that machine? I would say that it is 1 should like to say a word about the obviously both. Our Civil Service was most vital question facing a Ministry of conceived and evolved for small-scope Production. The thing this country peace-time operations when the produc- wants at the moment, bearing in mind tion of the nation was the work of private the great dangers we have to face, are effort. You have to build up on that to a more tanks and guns. You cannot have much higher stage, it seems to me. For a better policy than the Government's those purposes, while the Civil Service short-dated policy of getting as many was admirable, I venture to think that tanks and guns as we can produce there is in war-time something to be de- during the next few months. I think we sired. You cannot, I admit, alter that in are in grave danger. The Russian situa- war-time, The change is too great, but tion may be better than many of us there is something you can do. When you feared, but it stands out as a menace to come to the other side of the case, the us, If anything happens there suddenly, personnel, it seems to me that the stan- and the tiger springs back, we shall be dords of the Civil Service should be put in mortal danger again. For that reason on the basis of efficiency. You cannot do I agree with the policy of the Government that unless you insist that for the time in putting in a peculiarly active Minister being. as the workers have been willing to look after this Ministry. I agree with to concede their trade union regulations, the policy of three members on the Tank as the employers have been willing to Board. This number will be better than. make every concession they can, as the 13 for getting things done quickly. 1 middle-class shopkeepers have been called do not know anything about them per- upon to make concessions greater prob- sonally, except that everything I have ably than those made in any other sphere, heard leads me to think they will be the civil survant should play his part. 1 active. But there have been delays. I suggest that the civil servant would be know of many instances where tank pro- only too anxious to do 50, and would be duction has been held up. A suggestion willing to depart from some of those rules has been made by one works that there which seem to mo to make for inefficiency. should be some simplification, and the It is essential, and this country will insist Tank Board has been asked to consider upon it, that there should be no favoured it. The answer comes back, Do circles, where if a man fails he can be nothing to these tanks for four or five kicked upstairs, or at any rate kicked only weeks. Do not proceed with the work along the passage until We have made up our minds." I The country demands that for the time could give the Minister instances of this being promotion should be by metit and it they were required. The result is that not by seniority. It is difficult to say until you get decision, work is held up. these things, knowing the high traditions There must be quick decision when do- of the Civil Service, and the important cision is wanted. part they have played. but I think some- thing might be done in that direction There is another thing T would like to say on this question of production. What Regraded Unclassifie supply) Committee 29 JULY 1941 -Production 1306 (10) worries a great many people in industry right hon. Gentleman referred would not the inordinate number of forms which have gone round the world. The Prime have is to be filled up. I know the Minister concluded his speech day by a Ministry are trying to do their best, but 1 timely warning to the House against com- would ask them to think again and see placency on this important matter. I feel whether they cannot have simplified that the fact that this important matter forms and reduce their numbers. With has been raised is of value, and I agree short staffs and other difficulties, the with him that it is proper that our great responsibility of filling up forms, however effort should be known and focussed as it necessary, is one which ought to be dis- has been focussed to-day. The subject pensed with wherever possible. In the of production is absolutely vital. It is issued in response to a Germany's start in war production which letter by Sir Ronald Matthews, President gave her successes rather than any in- of the British Chambers of Commerce, dividual merits on the part of ber fighting that point was raised, and a promise was men. I disagree with the proposal made given that the Ministry would look into by some hon. Members that there should it. I hope they will, because this scems be a Minister of Production. My right to be one of the ways by which you can hon. Friend the Prime Minister dealt with give less work to the staff, This war can that proposal, and be gave as one of his only be won by 100 per cent. effort on principal reasons-I thought he put it the part of overybody. and I hope the very high-for rejecting the proposal the Government will be content with nothing question of personality I do not think that less, whether it be from heads of Depart- should be the principal reason. If, in ments or the workers in the Departments fact, the proposal itself were desirable themselves. We can only get that when and if it were impossible to find a master there la complete discontent with any- Minister to control Lord Beaverbrook, the thing but a high standard of efficiency Prime Minister would have two courses and by rising above questions of class open to him. one to remove Lord Beaver- distinction. We have put away 00 per brook from the Ministry, and the other cent. of this question: let 09 put it away to make him the master Minister. But altogether. We must lay down a standard the Prime Minister does not agree that applied to everyone that there must be it is a desirable proposal, and I am in no inefficiency anywhere and that any agreement with him, inefficiency will be dealt with ruthlessly and effectively. The Prime Minister is a My reasons for opposing the proposal great leader, and he deserves the weapons for a separate Minister of Production are with which be can lead us to victory. these. In the first place. let us be clear that it would not be a Minister for long: The test which ought always to be ap- there would be a Ministry. No Minister plied is one of results. I think the ever works alone for more than 10 appointment of n. man of extreme energy minutes; he soon gather round him an to this Ministry is excellent. My right advisory staff, and then follows the great hon, Friend the present President of the Boand of Trade was excellent too when paraphernalia which is necessary to up- bold a Ministry of rank and importance, be was at the Ministry of Supply. Let us and, shortly, there is another Department not be almid to judge by results. Let Qa not be afraid to see there is no more in being. I speak with knowledge and confidence when 1 say that the industries toleration because a man is a nice fellow. The national interest is the only test which of this country do not want another Ministry at the present time. If produc- must be allowed to obtain, Only in that tion were regarded as an expert science way shall WI allow our Prime Minister outside the responsibility of the Ministries desire. to lead us to the victory we all 60 much which have to secure supplies for their services. the Army, the Navy and the Air Colonel Colville (Midlothian and Force, 1 believe that the responsibility of Peebles): We have listened to a those Departments would be lessened, stimulating and reassuring statement from and that the new Ministry would the Prime Minister. If I may say so, tend to become a check or a filter had a speech of that calibre been made at rather than a spur to their activi- the conclusion of the Debate three weeks tirs. That system would not work 980, the cry of stinking fish to which the in an industrial concern To make one Regraded Unclassified Supply: Committee HOUSE OF COMMONS 1307 -Production 130 (Colonel Colville.) the manufacturers are having some dim director alone the expert on production, culty with the Ministry is in the matter having no responsibility for the other of testing. I am referring to the testing phases of activity-lor design, for labour, of metals, such as special steels. The for supply-would not make for smooth Admiralty have their own staff of insper- running. No, Sir, the Departments must tors, and as I have said, their long COIL- have that responsibility in full and must tact with industry has led to smooth Tun- exercise it. Therefore, the super imposi- ning. The Ministry of Aircraft Production tion of a new Department-for that is, in generally work on the principle that, fact, what I believe it would become- having decided on the firm which is to would not help us at this stage. There carry out the work for them, they select must, of course, be the machinery for giv- and approve of someone in the firm to be ing final decisions as to priorities which the their representative and carry out the Prime Minister has outlined to the Com- tests to their specifications, and this mittee. system works satisfactorily, On the I want now to make one of two other hand, the Ministry of Supply for criticisms on the way in which certain the War Department almost always to Departments at present discharge their sist on the tests being carried out by their functions. The supply side of the Was own staff, and from time to time there Office, that is, the Ministry which supplies are considerable delays in having the the Army with its main requirements, has materials tested. This is a point of detail in my view not developed such satisfactory rather than of general principle, but it in arrangements with industry as have the a most important point, which I hope will Admiralty or the Ministry of Aircraft Pro- be looked into, The Prime Minister to- duction. As the Prime Minister said, that ferred to many firms which work only for is to some extent due to the fact that the one Ministry or Service, but equally there Army's growth has been more rapid and are great firms and combines which work recent through a period of rapid change for all Services and have experience of and quick expansion. The Admiralty all methods, and it is on the basis of that have had long and tried connections with experience that my suggestions STe industry which are now working as satis- offered. factorily as they did in the last war. But the Ministry of Aircraft Production have With regard to priorities, I agree that had to deal with, the problem of rapid and the present machinery ought to be offec- changing production. and to my mind tive, and I was interested to hear the they have been more successful than the Prime Minister say that no major question Ministry of Supply in adapting themselves of priority is in dispute at the moment to the problem. I do not want to make I will offer this observation, however: no sweeping statements, because I know that doubt it is essential that the highest the Ministry of Supply have had an priority should go to the Ministry of Air- immense measure of success in their diffi- craft Production, as control of the air has cult task, but I maintain that there are proved the key to success not only in points on which they could learn and take land, but in sea operations, but I am an Ministries. example from what is done by other bound to say that 1 am disturbed at the low degree of priority which appears For instance, to give some illustrations, almost invariably to be given to Army the difficulties experienced by manufac- supplies as compared with those for the turers in the aircraft industry owing to other Services. Obviously, in a public changes of design have been considerable, Debate 1 cannot give specific instances but they have not been so great, I believe, but I would like to discuss the matter with as those of the manufacturers working on the Minister concerned. From my ex tanks for the War Office. The changes perience during the last 12 months in in design, both in defensive armaments connection with the bullding up and and in weapons. have caused consider- training of the Home Guard, 1 cao my able, and I believe, preventible, delays in that the degree to which that force has the output of tanks. Obviously, 1 can- been equipped through the Ministry of not go into details in this Debate, but I Supply is no small achievement: it is, hope that with the machinery which has indeed, a very great achievement The been set up, an improvement is already Home Guard is now di force to be reck- taking place Another direction in which oned with in the matter of amament. Regraded Unclassifie supply Committee 19 JULY 1941 -Production 1310 (100 Novertholess, there have been points of the widest publicity, It shows the great priority both in relation to imports and magnitude of our production effort and home production in which it has been should spur us on. Just over a year ago found impossible to get any (urther, and the present Government was formed to it would appear that the degree of priority give representation. on an adequate scale, accorded to a wide range of Army re- to all parties in the State. There joined quirements comes fairly well behind that that Government Ministers with very great of the other two Services. experience of industry, from both the If the Committee accept the view, as managerial and labour sides, who gave 1 have not the slightest doubt they will, hope to the people- of this country that that a new Ministry of Production would they would be able to secure the maxi- note in fact. accelerate production, I hope mum effort in its broadest sense from in- that the Government will not go away dustry, There is still much scope for their with the idea that everybody is fully con- capacity in the months to come. tent with the present state of affairs, We Mr. John Wilmot (Kennington): I have been stimulated and reassured by the would not have ventured to take part in Prime Minister's statement, but the Prime this Debate but for the fact that the small Minister is the last person to wish us to experience I have bad in production full into a state of complacency. I be- during the war has led me to believe there lieve that with the existing machinery an are certain disharmonies in harnessing to early improvement can be looked for, the work of national war production the and I believe that a greater national diverse elements of a system of private effort from all is still possible. The Prime industry. The Prime Minister said that Minister referred to the immense spurt almost all firms to-day were under that followed Dunkirk, a spurt which he Government control-all those, at any wisely said one could not expect to be rate, which were engaged on any kind of maintained indefinitely, though we have major war work. He stated that the field now reached a higher rate of production of this conrol was continually widening through expansion: but when one looks and that as need arose more and more back to the time following Dunkirk, were regimented. It seems to me that in everybody-and I refer to all sides carrying out this colossal operation dis- of industry and not to one side only-was harmony must inevitably arise, and it is to making an immense personal effort. I that point that I wish to direct the atten- wonder whether that degree of effort is tion of the Committee. The board of still with us, Evidence that perhaps it is directors of a limited company engaged not comes to us in curious ways. wholly upon war-time production find Recently, 1 had experience of an exercise themselves in many instances in a one part of which was to test security, curiously dual position. No doubt after and it Was found that a very large number victory has been won there will be differ- of people had not their identity cards with ing opinions on various sides of the House them not for any sinister reason, but from as to what is the best or the most ideal pure carelessness. It may be asked what form of industrial management and con- that has to do with production. The point trol, and We shall continue as we always is that one would not have found such a do to debate, modify and compromise in thing in the months following Dunkirk, our search for the best. This is not the and I do not think the same state of alert- time to debate these academic questions, THEM and effort exists to-day as was the because we have now to attain in the Claim at that time. I would point out, in shortest possible time the maximum pro- passing, that no-one got through without a duction from the present machine. card, and that all those without had to It seems to me that the position of the report to police stations to prove their management of a limited company is Identity, so that should give little con- extremely difficult. They have the over- fudence to a fifth columnist who might whelming loyalty to the State to produce think he could easily slip through. I from their machinery, plant and the mestion this, however, as an indication workmen under their management the that the whole country does not realise the maximum output regardless of all other degree of alertriess and of effort still re- circumstances. But side by side with that quiret The picture painted by the Prime they have not been relieved of their legal Minister is one which, 1 know, will have and mom) obligations to the owners of Regraded Unclassified 1511 Supply: Committee HOUSE OF COMMONS -Production [Mr. Wilmot.] in the factories. They have been utged, their capital. Anyone engaged in day-to- and they have agreed, to give up and to day industrial management will realise waive for the duration of the War their how often and in how many diverse old-established and hardly-won trude aspects this duality is n. hampering circumstance, and various devices union conditions and practices. They have done this in order the more ade- have been invented in an attempt quately and speedily to achieve victory, to circumvent it. In some instances but in the smaller and more out of the Government controllers, with limited and way parts of our industrial machine there partial authority have been placed inside the works. The contract system by which is always the lingering feeling that they are, in part, making this sacrifice for the firms compete by tender for contracts is old management, which they remember as still in operation, and there is the Excess being the persons in pursuit of private Profits Tax to put a limit on excessive profit, It may be that the operations M war profits. Necessary and desirable as the taxation system have taken away that it is to limit the profits arising from war objection, but undoubtedly that feeling conditions, I think the operation of the remains in the minds of the workers, and contract system and the absence of direct it is certainly a hampering consideration profit motive is very often inequitable and in securing maximum output. hampering. Over and over again one must come across instatices where managements I have seen in recent months a consider- find themselves caught between these dual able wastage of time and machinery as loyalties. The loyalty to their share- the result of an intermittent flow of orders holders requires them to look beyond the coming into various industrial establish- war to the conditions in which they will ments. A contract is proceeded with at full find themselves in competitive industry blast, and an effective and efficient team after the war. The Committee will see at of machines and workers is assembled and once that there is a much more urgent got in production. The contract is com- and compelling loyalty, but at the same pleted, and nothing takes its place. The time the legal obligation of the directors men are discharged and drafted off MI) remains. It seems to me that it would other work and into other localities, and be advisable to consider when a firm is in a week or n. fortnight a fresh contract engaged wholly upon war production is placed. The utmost urgency is at- whether those in charge should not be re- tached to it, but the firm finds itself now lieved from the embarrassment of that denuded of workers, its plant standing dual position. and for the duration of the idle, and no one can be obtained to oper- war. at any rate. be placed in a position ate it. The invaluable team which has where they have one loyalty and one been built up for that particular job in loyalty only, and that is loyalty to the that particular way has been dissipated State, and lost, and very valuable time is spent Circumstances are arising every day building it all up again. in order to do a which compel attention to this aspect. A precisely similar job on IL new contract. manufacturer was telling me the other It would be an immense economy if some day that for certain reasons be has re- system could be devised whereby there cently moved his factory into an area was not this gap when the whole mechan- where there is a plentiful supply of female ism was broken up and dispersed. It labour. He tells me he could quite con- seems to me that it is at this stage in the veniently employ large numbers of women detailed application of the broad principles and save wear and tear upon his valuable which the Prime Minister has shown have and irreplaceable automatic machinery. been so successful-it is in attention to That would certainly be to his advantage those details that we can drive our pro- it he looks forward to industrial competi- duction ahead to the maximum. tion after the war, when he would have Mr. Mareus Samuel (Putney): I was his machinery unimpaired, but to-day it very pleased indeed when the Prime Min- would exhaust the supply of available ister informed us of the Government's de labour in - way which would be directly cision to have another day's Debate on contrary to the interests of war production production. If the two days' Debate had ILS a whole. That seems to me to be taken place last year, it would have JC one instance of the effect of this duality. Its effect is also to be seen OTI the workers sulted in a change of Government. The present Ministry. if not IL Ministry of all Regraded Unclassifie Supply Committee 29 JULY 1941 Production 1113 1314 the talents, is certainly II Ministry of all themselves into a sort of unofficial Min- the crities ot most of them. All the istry for the Co-ordination of Offence critica could not be absorbed immediately, criers of stinking fish in the market place. when the change took place: Many of This I believe is unnecessary and a wee them were included to make the Govern- bit wrongheaded It does not produce ment a Government of all parties, and more guns, ships or tanks. These efforts there were many purely political appoint- do not give anyone confidence. ments. Some of the appointees seem to have only been qualified successes, and I ] recently attended a meeting called by think I can say without fear of very much two Members of the House to meet repre- contradiction that some have not come up sentative shop stewards from a number to their political reputations and have of munitions factories engaged in war proyed to be labourers not worthy of their work, ostensibly to give instances of hire. If that two days' Debate has delay and inefficiency in organisation proved one thing more than another, it leading to the impoding of production." has shown (hat, whilst it may possibly I was surprised to see how very young have done a minimum amount of good in many of these shop stewards are and how this country, it certainly has done harm little experience they can possibly have had in this so-called skilled work which abroad. It has given. the enemy every reason to rejoice. Outside this country they are doing, and still less of the intri- people do not understand our methods cate working of a factory. But it was of free speech-and I have always main- quite evident that they were all now, tained that we should speak less freely in thank God, in dead earnest to put in their best efforts to win the war. I listened war-time that in peace-time-not only we in the House, but the newspapers and the carefully and asked a number of ques- tions, and 1 could see that many of these general public. The enemy is listening all men before the war and since had been the time, and our friends, too. Our affected by outside influences. They have friends take us too literally. whilst the been misled and misinformed, and, as enemy notes and gloats and takes our I thought, they had not yet quite got a troubles too optimistically fair and complete perspective of the scene, T have always found Ministers 05 They seemed disposed to lay about them mercilessly, claiming the delinquencies anxious as any of us to put things right. and inefficiency of the managements in Although I do not believe in suppressing organising production, and unable quite free speech and criticism, I think we can to rid their minds of peace-time prejudices and do exaggerate and magnify our and predelections. The same attitude troubles and scarify ourselves, In peace- applies in some cases to the manage- time we can truly say we have stocks ments as regards labour. of almost everything. We have only to ask for goods and pay for them to get Letters to the Press and speakers in this them. In war-time we have stocks of House show the enormous and endless nothing. We are always short, owing to difficulties with which the managements increased demands for every single item, have to contend. Every item they pro- from a bolt or a screw or a nut to the duce, besídes being in short supply, is, so heaviest piece of machinery, or even to a to speak, wrapped up in a whole series of plnt of beer. Some of the critics of the papers. A study should be made of how Government-the " left-overs "-cannot to cut out some of the clogging, time- forget their peace-time political habits, wasting demands of the octopus and hide- and, of course, Ministers are where they bound bureaucracy which is living on the fat of the land, or as much as they can are because We all belong to the Ancient Order of Stone-Throwers. get, and producing nothing. I pointed Ministers welcome constructive criticism out to the shop stewards that we must not in these days, when our lives and the forget that there have been millions of futture of the State are in the balance. tons of shipping lost; towns have been There is only one thing to be done, and blitzed and factories damaged and that Is for the all to work together, to stick destroyed, that railways have been together and to stick to work In my damaged and transport delayed; and that, view certain Members, with the best in- in spite of all the damage done. those tentions. have joined forces and formed without much experience and with a limited viewpoint, however anxious to help Regraded Unclassified Supply: Committee HOUSE OF COMMONS -Production #315 1316 [Mr. Samuel.] and woman working. If they were satts. their country, must clear their minds of fied that difficulties and delays were peace-time vision and predeliction and sometimes inevitable and were not due to must not criticise unfairly. Many of these had management, they would work to men must have been schooled into the idea gether to minimise the troubles and to that our economic and political system is overcome them as fat as possible What wrong and that as a consequence all sorts is wanted, above all, is to nationalise of troubles and faults arise. During the mutual confidence between Workers and speeches it became clear that many of the management which is so obvious in some old-established businesses of which they firms and wholly lacking in others. It spoke, with their practical knowledge and is evident that the old-established fines traditions, have an enormous advantage with their traditions and experience have over the newer factories put up for war great advantage over the newer firms put purposes. There is no doubt that this up for war purposes, but I believe that affects production and cannot be overcome confidence can be forthcoming throughout at the start or acquired in a day. industry and that it can give us the the I asked the shop stewards to remember creased production we want, The les that, even if everything had been per- recrimination and destructive criticism feetly planned, these war incidents must the better, There should be no victimi. undoubtedly at times create difficulties, sation of managements, shop stewards or even bottle-necks, changes of direction, other workers. The attention of the loss of materials, shortages here and some- Ministers concerned should be called to times over-supplies there: and on top of all specific cases, All parties concerned this we have the ever-increasing demands should be given the opportunity to know on every industry in the country connected what the country expects of them, and with war work. We are all the time work- they should be given the opportunity of ing against time and destruction. The putting into practice the only remedy for Germans had seven years' preparation and our troubles-to work together. to stick had accumulated reserves which they are together and to stick to work. Lord now dissipating much faster than they can Beaverbrook has been mentioned. For replace them, and the same troubles must what I have heard and read of that be coming to them while we are now over- gentleman he gets things done ruthlessly coming ours. We cannot expect too per and regardless of. consequences. The cent. production at any time much less Prime Minister knows him and trusts him. under war conditions. It seems to me No doubt he says to himself, 1. want that to make calculations of exact theoreti- aeroplanes now. I want tanks now 1 cal percentages under these conditions is will get them by hook or by crook or by to use false values, seeing that there is no Beaverbrook, and Beaverbrook gets- such thing as 100 per cent, perfection and them.". I have a feeling that we can that a certain incalculable amount of thank Providence there are not Beaver- shortage must be due to causes over which brook quads-or worse still, quintuplets neither the workers nor the managements -each ruthlessly getting on with bis job have any control. at all costs. One Beaverbrook may be able to stand, but four or five of them I believe it would pay the Prime Minister, who is our plus V. broadcaster would produce chaos. The Admirally to speak to the shop stewards and workers seems to get what it wants by less violett over the air in order to encourage them and disturbing methods. and to say how much he appreciates what I want to make what I believe is = they are doing and are prepared to do; practical suggestion. It is that when the and at the same time to talk to the House goes into Recess, Members should managements and ask them to cast aside take a busmen's holiday and that cuch all peace-time prejudices and to keep in one of us who receives complaints should close touch with their work people so himself go and see the manufacturers and that men and women could be encouraged workers and talk to them, explain (HIT to understand their position and to put in position and try to straighten things out. their best work. It is important that in See what might be accomplished if 400 every factory in the land not only the or 500 of us lent a helping hand in this managements but the workers should way instead of limiting ourselves merely know how much depends on every man to being letter boxes to receive complaints Regraded Unclassifie Sapply: Committee 19 JULY 1941 -Production 1217 1318 or loud speakers to voice them. Nothing the war wishes to dispurage his efforts or short of sticking together, working to- to suggest that he is, in any way, lacking wether and sticking to work will see as in those gifts so necessary to guide the through. I see that the hon. Member for country in these difficult times, But 1 Seiham (Mr. Shinwell) is present. I have think he would be the first to agree that spoken of him as the unofficial Minister of no one has a monopoly of wisdom, Each Moans, To-day he seems to be a sort of us in this Committee has a responsibility of Lord High Execrationer. No doubt be to make his contribution. Mere carping acts with the best intention and as a criticism. mere fault-finding, is easy when strong supporter of the Government, but we see flaws here and there, but if we I hope that nothing I have said will help have criticism to make it should always the enemy and that the hon. Member's be of a constructive character. I endorse exectations will be directed direct to Min- what the right hon. Gentleman said about isters in their capacity as Ministers because the great efforts made, particularly after the enemy gloats when these sort, of Dunkirk, I should like next to pay a speeches and questions are delivered in the special tribute to the women. We hear House. The last thing any of ns would a lot of what the women did in the last wish to do is to give information to the war, As far as I can see, it is nothing enemy, to what they are doing in many parts of Sir Percy Harris (Bethnal Green, South- the country in this war. I am not refer- West): I think anybody who heard the ring to their work as bus-conductors or speech of the Prime Minister on our war porters but to their work in the munition production will agree that this extra day's factories. I have seen women doing Debate-in exceptional thing-has been foundry work of a. heavy character- will worth while. Criticism of our pro- refined women who had never done rough ductive effort, from whatever side it work in their lives handling heavy comes, must not be interpreted as an materials and doing jobs of a most danger- attack upon either the Government in ous character. general or the Prime Minister in particu- Although I agree with the Prime AT I am conviticed that the one man Minister about the inadvisibility of quoting who is indispensable to victory is the percentages. I am convinced that We are Primo Minister, not only because of his still a long way below our peak in pro- immetise intluence in our own country and duction. I think that is a good thing, and the confidence which the mass of the should be an encouragement. because we people have in his personality, but on want our enemies to realise, and our account oi his great influence in the friends to appreciate. that we can do still United States of America and throughout more if we strengthen our organisation, in UMF Dominions. There is no alternative Prime Minister. He has no rival. It was the light of the great experience gained very different in the last war. I was a during the last two years. We started late Member of Parliament for at least two in the race, and it is difficult to make up years in the last war. Both our war-time leeway except by a terrific spurt. There Prime Ministers then had half-a-dozen was a terrific sport a year ago, as the tivals for the post, When Mr. Asquith Prime Minister has pointed out, but we was Prime Minister I remember the lobby- want more of those spurts if we are to ing and the canvassing of names that reach the peak of our production. After went on, and even when the right hon. all, the Ministry of Supply was started Member for Carnarvon Boroughs (Mr. only one month before the war-two years Lloyd George) was Prime Minister there too late. I remember a speech by my were always in the public mind the names right hon. Friend the Member for Car- of three or four men who could have filled narvon Boroughs, I think in 1937. press- his place if the need arose. There was, ing for the production of jigs and tools. of course, Mr. Asquith himself, there was If his advice had been followed. some of another ox-Prime Minister then sitting in the difficulties and problems which the House, Mr. Balfour, there was Mr. Ministers of Supply have had to face Bonar Law and, of course, the present would have been largely prevented holder of the office. There is another factor which We The present Prime Minister reigns ought. not to ignore. When war broke supreme, and no one who wants to win out W/I had hardly recovered from TO Regraded Unclassified HOUSE OF COMMONS -Production 1310 Supply: Committee 1,000 referred, but perhaps my sub-committed [Sir P. Harris. years of industrial depression You can- is one of the more cautions une, It not have the luxury of 2,000,000 idle reluctant to rush into print and publish men and expect to resume all at once reports, but it has been about the efficient industrial production. The en- country studying on the spot the work gineering and shipbuilding trades were of the factories and shipyards, Perhaps special sufferers in that depression. Many even more important, it has been inter- of the more enterprising spirits in those viewing managers and men. Upon the trades left them for other occupations. Committee we have not confined our My right hon. Friend the Minister of efforts to the orthodox channels, We have Labour has made gallant efforts to seduce encouraged people from outside to come them back. But it is one thing for a man to us and give us information. On the to leave an industry and quite another one hand we have received serious thing to get him back into his old job: evidence of lack of planning and bad and we must also recollect that many of progress, and, on the other, of bad time- those who remained in the shipbuilding keeping. Every sub-committee has had and engineering trades lost a lot of their similar evidence and you cannot divorce mechanical and industrial skill owing to the two problems. In failure to dove long periods of idleness. The same con- tail a job responsibility starts at the very sideration applies to managers, foremen top. and goes right down to the men. and charge-hands, Such workers cannot We have had evidence of men hanging be made in a minute. Anyone who knows about because of bad organisation and anything about industry knows that they because the planning of their indus have to be discovered, and trained. Even tries had not been well thought out. The under the pressure of war you cannot is brought about largely through week- always put your hands on the right men nesses at the very top. It applies equally to fill gaps in the ranks of managers, to men on piecework or the bonus system foremen and charge-hands. and to men on hourly jobs The man 11 is the same with contractors. During are discontented and they find it difficult the slumps of 1922 and 1920 many big to understand why there should be stack undnstrial undertakings changed hands, time. 1 do not want the impression to and in place of trained directors with an get around that this is universal. 11 huner knowledge of the industry-often varies from place to place. One of the an hereditary knowledge-there came in very serious causes is that there is an im- as directors financiers whose concern pression in factories, workshops and ship- primarily was to look after the financial yards that the work is being done upon interests of the shareholders. That is a a cost-plus basis. Men are saying, If factor which we cannot ignore, but what does not make much difference to the box I have heard from men in some areas is or the company because the Government rather sinister. The new directors that have to pay. That is a thoroughly have been brought into industry for wrong principle. but human nature being financial reasons, are rarely seen by the what it is, it is very natural. It does not employees because their visits are few apply to all shipyards and factories alike. and lar between. Generally, their visits but varies from area to area and from unit are monthly and then only to look after to unit. If management is bad in peace the financial interests of the shareholders time and a shipyard or factory is bodly or the banks. run, it is very soon brought to account We have to realise all these things by competition, as it does not get orden when we are talking about increasing our and therefore goes to the wall. The poil- production. but in spite of them we still tion is quite different in war-time. when have some of the finest yards, factories, nqt only is there no competition. but workshops and mechanics in the world. every factory is badly wanted and there Of course, generalisation is dangerous, is a shortage of plant and buildings and conditions vary from factory to fac- tory and from workshop to workshop. The Government have a responsibility Where there is fault it is difficult to ap- to level up the laggards and the lame portion blaine butween management and ducks and to bring weak organisations up men. I am a member of a Select Com- to the best standards. Managements mittee to which the Prime Minister should be pooled and weak ones weeded Regraded Unclassi Supply Committee 49 JULY 1941 -Production 1311 nas Much can be done by the exploita- of tanks, and now there is a great tank Jul. time of local sentiment. Take shipyards, stunt with a suspicion that it may areas such as Clydeside, Merseyside, for instance. There are certain obvious be at the expense of shipbuilding. I sup- pose it is inevitable, human nature being Tymeside and the Bristol Channel. There what it is, that forceful personalities at sems no reason why the Government. the head of Departments shall naturally using their vast powers, should not bring wish to assert the rights of their particular the most competent men together in those section in order to produce the goods they amount as is done in the concentration of have undertaken to find. The Prime Min- imjustry. for instance in the cotton trade, ister made a challenge, and a very proper and pill the whole production area under challenge. He said to the Committee, (ne cuntrol. This would présent a great You talk a lot about a Minister of Pro- opportunity for the exploitation of local duction-produce your man." I agree sentiment. There is very strong local feel- that that is a very right and proper chal- ing that the best ships are built on the lenge, and if we had half a dozen men Clyde. There is equally strong local feel- of the calibre of the Prime Minister I think ing that the best ships are built on the we should be able to answer it easily But, Meneyside: and the same can be said just as the Prime Minister, as Defence about Tyneside and other places. The Minister, co-ordinates the strategy of the local sentiment could be exploited and the three Services, I think the Committee will various yards and machine shops brought agree that it would be a great thing to up to one standard by utilising and have someone in a similar position to co- organizing the ability which would be at ordinate production for the three Ser- the Government's disposal. I believe it vices. We need some guiding hand to would result in increased production and co-ordinate our effort and eliminate the improved planning and progressing in in- feeling that very often our production is dustry and that it would improve the lopsided and is not thought out in the organisation of labour. It would be il interests of the war as a whole. mistake if the Committee got the idea that I am very glad to see the Minister of private companies only are at fault. There Labour here. He has a difficult, and I lave been great complaints of Government would like to add, a thankless task. No factories and the Prime Minister admitted one envies him his job and no one accuses the reports of want of foresight in him of a lack of energy, enthusiasm or making the necessary provision for drive, but I do think there is a case for a housing, transport and lood. It might properly thought-out wage policy. That in. be well to bring the private and the testing White Paper published only the Government factories into more intimate other day shows that his purpose is good association by making use of the best and his objects sound, but when it comes available ability and capacity. to translate them into practice I am afraid I was interested to hear the Prime Min- he cannot claim at any rate this time an ister refer to that vexed word priority," equal success. Obviously, if there is not but he brushed aside, as a bit of a farce enough material to go round and if wages the suggestion that there was competition go up, and it one section of industry has between the Departments. Nevertheless. a lot of money to spend, it must run up WC have heard some very strange stories prices, and I realise it wants courage to about representatives of one Department grasp the nettle. During the last war great going down to a dockyard and pinch- courage was shown. I do not want to mg the supplies, machine-tools or under-estimate the difficulties. One of materials needed for another Department, the greatest tributes that could be paid to through over-zeal, no doubt. I am glad the present Minister of Labour was a to hear that those difficulties are being statement made to-day that there was no got over and that the Departments are great industrial dispute at all. That is a a happy family working together with- great tribute to him. and if he has done out unhealthy competition. Still, rightly nothing else he will have justified his or wrongly, there is an absence of a long- occupation of his present position. term policy, and a feeling that we are If we are to prevent inflation, if we are thinking too much in terms of the needs to keep prices at a steady level, the Minis- and necessities of the moment. There ter will have to take (1 more active part was a great push for planes at the expense and not leave it to sectional bargaining. No, 01 D Regraded Unclassified 1323 Supply: Committed HOUSE OF COMMONS -Production [Sir P. Harris.] the people and. above all. maintain the He will have to recognise that II common health and physical condition of the standard is required in war-time if the women and children. burden of war is to be evenly spread. If one section, owing to special conditions Mr. Silkin (Peckham): I am sure that and a special demand for their skill or the Committee must have listened to the owing to a shortage in their particular Prime Minister's speech with very conj. trade, gets a high standard of wages, it siderable satisfaction. It was indeed very reacts right through the industry and gratifying to hear of the tremendous And causes discontent. and we well know that successful efforts that we are making to in certain sections very high wages are the direction of the production of muni. being paid, due maybe to the demands tions. But I felt, right through the Prime on those sections of employment. All I Minister's speech, that he was not entitely am pleading is that the great power and directing himself to the criticisms which influence which the Minister has has an had been levelled-and, I think, quite intimate relation to the problem of in- properly, because it is a function of Par- flation and the need to prevent the setting liament to make such criticisms. I think in motion of that spiral which we saw in he did not direct himself to the criticiam the last war, In spite of the efforts of that, although great efforts had been made the Chancellor of the Exchequer to keep and increasing efforts were being made, the down prices we still see an inevitable up- maximum effort was not yet being put for ward tendency. I believe the Minister ward, and that in fact it WAS possible for would have the approval of labour and this country to make even greater efforts of trade unions, as well as of the whole than it was making at the present time House, if in the discharge of his duties The speeches of hon. Members in the he gave a real lead and put forward a Debate three weeks ago were, in the main, clearer and more incisive labour and directed to that point, and when my hom. wages policy. Friend the Member for Kidderminster (Sir. J. Wardlaw-Milne) stated that the country Dr. Edith Summerskill (Fulham, was making not more than 75 per cent. West): Would not the hon. Gentleman of the efforts which it was possible to agree that workers are being paid at a make, he was not in any way belittling the standard rate, and that they only get what great efforts which were being made and he calls large wages because some of them will continue to be made. work twelve hours a day for seven days a I want to point to specific cases in week? Does he therefore suggest cutting which, I think, improvement could be down the wage rates or the hours of made, and which are having the effect of labour? reducing our effort below the maximum of which we are capable. The Prime Sir P. Flarris: I certainly do not suggest Minister said that there was now no con cutting down the rates of wages. I wish flict between Departments, and that they labour and the whole nation to have good were working smoothly and in the closse real wages which depend on inflation comperation. He referred to the live being prevented. That is the fundamental that there was complete agreement aboil thing. in the interests of labour, of women their programmes. I do not think if has and of the whole community. It means ever been suggested that there was any that we should prevent the tendency of great dispute between Departments about prices to move upwards, which, in spite their programmes. I do suggest that of all our efforts in the way of subsidies there is considerable difference of and rationing, they are doing. I there- opinion, or competition, in the carrying fore say that I believe it to be in the best out of these programmes, and particularly interests of labour that a clearer and more in connection with dealing with labour. inclsive wage/policy should be laid down by the Minister to protect the interests of I want to suggest something which is the mass of the people, to prevent perfectly well known to every Member of sectional increases, and to see that if there the Committee. That is, that the Ministry of Aircraft Production has been, and still are increases they are general throughout the country. At a time like this it is is, holding on unnecessarily to skilled vital to keep prices steady and stop in- labour which is necessary for other De flation if We are to keep up the morale of partments. My right hon Friend the Minister of Labour knows that there has Supply: Committee 29 JULY 1942 -Production 1326 1345 been a survey of labour in the Ministry Mr. Silkin: I will let my right hon. of Aircraft Production factories, and that Friend know. I cap assure bim that these hundreds, Indeed thousands, of skilled statements are absolutely true, and have workers have been found who are super- been verified. It is no use him shaking fluous to the requirements of those his head. They have been admitted by factories. It may be that there have been representatives of his own Department. reasons for holding on to these skilled workers. Perhaps they were being Mr. Bevin: If an hon. Member has retained because it was thought that they found that in a factory. why has he not might be needed, if orders and work came done his public duty, and sent particulars along. but I do suggest that the Ministry to the Minister in order that the Minister of Labour has ample machinery and may investigate? labour for making use of these skilled Mr. Silkin: I consider that I am doing workers during the time they are not my public duty in stating these facts here, being fully used in their own factories. to-day, and I shall do my public duty in He has power to transfer those workers to making the proper use of the facts in the other factories where they are more national interest, The right hon. Gentle- needed. It can be done temporarily, man is perfectly aware that I am not able until such time as the aircraft factories to state in public where the factories are. are ready to use these skilled men again. It is perfectly true, and there is no dispute If that sort of thing goes on, if thousands about it, that there are factories where of skilled workers are not being used to more labour has been asked for than the the fullest extent in the factories in which factories could absorb, week after week, they are employed, it cannot be said that until the Minister of Labour ascertained we are putting forward our maximum the facts and reduced the supply of labour effort. and to the extent that that is true, by half. In the meantime, there were our effort is being weakened. hundreds of workers in a number of fac- Another direction in which labour is tories for whom no work was available. being misused is by the Ministry of They could not be absorbed. partly be- Supply The hon. Gentleman who spoké cause the equipment was not available, for the Ministry of Supply in the last and secondly, because the Ministry of Debate referred to the fact that there had Supply had forgotten the fact that, when been an agreement by which workers had large numbers of workers are employed, been given priority, for certain, Royal supervisory staffs are needed, and they had not applied for the supervisory staffs Ordnance factories, for a period of some I hope that is not going to be denied, be- months, and that that period was ex- cause it is a fact. tended. Owing to the fact that this period was limited, the Ministry of Supply made The Joint Parliamentary Secretary to requirements for labour far in excess of the Ministry of Supply (Mr. Harold Mac. what they really needed. In a number millan): Is the hon. Member speaking of of factories there were far more workers Royal Ordnance factories or of contracting than could be used, with the result that, factories? in some cases, women were found to be Mr. Silkin: I am speaking of Royal knitting and men playing cards day after Ordnance factories. Those are facts day. It is no use my right hon. Friend the Minister of Labour shaking his head. which, incidentally, I have ascertained from representatives of the hon. Mem- The Minister of Labour (Mr. Ernest ber's own Department. Bevin): There have been so many of these Mr. Logan (Liverpool, Scotland statements made, I would appeal to my Division): Has the bon. Member made bon. Ertend to send me the names and any complaint to the Department? addresses of these places in fairness to the management and the men. If hon. Mem- Mr. Silkin: I am making my own hers send them to me as Chairman of the speech. Production Executive, I will have every CASE investigated. Mr. Logan: I know the bon. Member is making his own speech. but I have a Mr. New Edwards (Caerphilly): That right to intervene and to ask what speech will le something new. he is making. What does he mean by it? No: gi Dz Regraded Unclassified Supply Committee HOUSE OF COMMONS -Production 1387 ija Mr. Silkin: I have ascertained the facts require, perhaps, 2,000 workers, no other only in the last few days. factory making things in a lower priority Mr. Harold Macmillan: Has the hon. can get any labour at all until those 2,00g Member communicated this information workers have been provided. It may be I quote this as an example-that there about staffing to my right hon. Friend or are half a dozen factories whose produc- to me? tion is very greatly impeded because they Mr. Silkin: The hon. Gentleman knows need two or three men, If they could get I have not communicated with him. those two or three men they could greatly increase their output, but, under instruc- Hon. Members: Why not? tions given to divisional controllers, or, Mr. Ness Edwards: Is it any use? at any rate, because of the way in which those instructions are interpreted by Mr. Silkin: I have ascertained the facts divisional controllers, any priority that by evidence from the hon. Gentleman's is given must be fully satisfied before tao- own Department. These facts are known tories of lower priority are provided with to his own Department. labour. That may not be the desire of the right hon. Gentleman, but I suggest Mr. Bevin: May I ask whether this in- that he should investigate the position vestigation was made by the hon. Mem- to satisfy himself that the prorities are ber as a member of the Select Committee. being operated in the way he desires. T If so, is not evidence given by our think a little inquiry will satisfy him that officials confidential until revealed to the they are not. Ministry and to the House of Commons? It has been suggested that idle time in Mr. Silkin: I am not disclosing details factories is a relatively small matter, but of the evidence. I am disclosing facts I am informed-and this is not based on which are known. I consider that I am evidence which has been given to the perfectly entitled to state the facts on this Select Committee-that in some of the occasion. Royal Ordnance factories men are idle for two or three weeks at a time, waiting Mr. Bevin: The hon. Member is in a for material, or for some other cause. privileged position. recognise that the difficulty over material Mr. Silkin: I turn from that point but is a serious one, but we are to-day I do submit that, if these facts are true, acclimatised to the difficulty. I suggest it as I say, it does disclose a very unsatis- is time that we prepared for those diff- factory state of affairs, and shows that we culties which we know are likely to arise, are not putting forward our maximum One cannot help the non-arrival of effort. material which has to come from America, but it is a factor that ought The Deputy-Chairman (Colonel Clifton to be taken into consideration. I suggest Brown): Is the hon. Member talking also that there is considerable delay in about evidence given before the Select transporting material from one place to Committee on National Expenditure? another, and that some of the delay b avoidable. Cases have been brought to Mr. Silkin: It bas been given. my notice in which it has been necessary The Deputy-Chairman: That is quite to transport materials very quickly, and out of order. The report has not been it has been decided to use road Instead published, and the evidence may not be of rail transport, for the sake of speed: discussed until that report is laid before but, having come to that decision, the the House. Departments concerned have decided to invite tenders for transporting the Mr. Silkin: I am very sorry, Sir. The material, which has caused some delay. report is in draft. The next fact with Delay also arises in transport because of which I wish to deal is the statement of contradictory instructions given by differ- the Prime Minister that the Priority ent officials. The contractor may be ordered Executive is now dissolved. There is no to send material by road and also to send question that when a priority is given for it by rail, He is put in a difficulty, and a commodity, anything else is frozen out. does not send the material at all until he I suggest that when a priority is given for has ascertained which way he is to send a commodity and a factory say that they it. I ask the right hon. Gentleman to look supply Committee 29 JULY 1941 -Production 1329 1330 into this question of transport. It would because I are sure that there is no Mem- be very valuable if his transport organi- ber of the House who has any other desire sation could be informed as long in ad- than to help in this vitally important vance as possible when it is necessary to question of production. transport goods. I think production could be speeded up Sir John Wardlaw-Milne (Kidder- minster): We have heard to-day from the and increased, if considerably more atten- Prime Minister a most interesting and tion were paid to the placing of contracts. comprehensive speech dealing with the I am informed that in certain areas far whole of our scheme of production of the more contracts have been placed than the munitions of war as the Government see contractors are able to carry out in a it and from the point of view of what the reasonable time. I understand that these Prime Minister considers is the extent of contracts are placed by the headquarters the effort of the country harnessed to win of the Ministry of Supply sometimes with- the war. I have no quarrel at all with out consultation with the regional repre- that speech. I have no doubt it will be sentatives, and that if there had been of great benefit if, indeed, any false im- such consultation, the Ministry would pression bas gone about in other countries have been informed that it was very diffi- as to the determination of everyone in this cult for the firms concerned to carry out country to secure the defeat of Hitler. the contracts. There is an area organisa- But my right hon. Friend will, I am sure, tion which, 1 understand, was set up for forgive me if I say that to some of us it the express purpose of advising the Min- seemed that he did not deal with the intry of Supply on the capacity of an questions raised in the Debate some three area, but this organisation is not being weeks ago. In one of his sentences indeed used to the extent it could be, I have he said that the criticisms made then were referred to the placing of contracts with matters of detail. Well, they may be firms which are quite incapable of carry- matters of detail, but they are very essen- ing out the work because they have tial matters, attention to which make for already too much in hand; there are also total production, and while I do not in cases of contracts having been placed with the least quarrel with the Prime Minister's firms which, by reason of their lack of statement regarding the tremendous effort organisation, their lack of machinery and which is now being made, I am bound to their lack of experience, are unable to say that some of us feel that the criticisms carry out the contracts. made have not yet received an answer. I know of a firm which has a very small The Prime Minister also stated in one workshop. housing a few machine tools, of the early passages of his speech that nm by a semi-skilled mechanic and a boy. almost all factories were under the direct This firm was given a contract of £100,000 or indirect control of the Government. I to manufacture gun mountings, work do not quarrel with that, but do not let which they had never done before, which that be put forward as something by they are quite incapable of carrying. out which we are asked to believe that all with their machinery or with the labour these factories are working to perfection. they have available. I suggest that if I may be wrong, but it seemed to me that there had been consultation with the the Prime Minister almost suggested that regional representatives the contract would as these factories were working under not have been placed with that firm. I direct or indirect Government control, have mentioned some of the methods everything was perfectly all right and that which I think would make for increased no criticism could possibly arise. production. I suggest that what I have said justifies the work that the Select Mr. Harold Macmillan: I think what the Committee is doing. I would like to Prime Minister was arguing was that as assure my right hon. Friend that these these factories are under the control of criticisms are made in good faith, in the the Government, the question of inter- honest belief that they are true, with the Departmental rivalry does not arise. sole desire to improve production, and in Sir J. Wardlaw-Milne: My hon. Friend the hope that they will be taken in the is, I believe, mistaken. 1 think he is spirit in which they are offered, and not dealing with another point, to which I in any carping spirit. I hope that this will refer later. I do not want to labour general Debate will have the same effect, the matter onduly, however, but my right Regraded Unclassified 1331 Supply Committee HOUSE OF COMMONS Royal Assent 13p [Sir J. Wardlaw-Milne.] spondence with people of all kinds and non. Friend said that a great many fac- also with many Members of this House, tories were under the direct or indirect and at any rate 1 am entitled to say this, control of the Government, and the im- that among all those with whom I have pression he gave me was that everything had contact about this matter there was therefore must be right in these factories. only one case-and that very guardedly_ The hon, Gentleman the Member for in which I was not confirmed in try Peckham (Mr. Silkin), who does excellent estimate. Many have suggested that I work as chairman of the Select Commit- was over-optimistic. tee's Sub-committee on Home Affairs, has special opportunities of knowing that all is Whereupon, the YEOMAN USHER of the not perfect in Government factories any BLACK ROD being come with a Message, more than in other factories. There is no the CHAIRMAN left the Chair. reason to suppose that it would be so, In Mr. SPEAKER resumed the Chair a later part of his speech the Prime Minis- ter said that in many cases Government Departments work through their own con- ROYAL ASSENT. tractors. There is no doubt that that is Message to attend the Lords Commis largely true, especially in connection with sioners. the Admiralty, for whom certain contrac- tors have worked for many years. In The House went; and, having the those cases there is closer liaison between turned the Department and the factory than Mr. SPEAKER reported the Royal Assent would otherwise be the case. But a to: remark of the Prime Minister's with which I. Colonial War Risks Insurance I especially want to deal was his refer- ence to an estimate I made in this House (Guarantees) Act, 1941. that the country as a whole was not work- 2. Financial Powers (U.S.A. ing at more than 75 per cent. of our total Securities) Act, 1941, possibilities of production. That state- 3. War Damage (Extension of Risk ment was not made three weeks ago for Period) Act, 1941. the first time. I made it in this House on 22nd May, and again on roth June of MEASURE TO RECEIVE THE ROYAL this year, and at that time it was not ASSENT. challenged at all. With the permission Diocesan Reorganisation Committees of the Committee I would like to repeat Measure, 1941, the words I used on roth June, I said if I had to guess what was the figure of efficiency of our effort to-day, I would not SUPPLY. pot it higher than 75 per cent. of the full possibilities of the nation.' OFFICIAL Re- Again considered in Committee. PORT, roth June, 1941: col. 132, Vol. 37%.) (Sir DENNIS HERBERT in the Chair ) I never for a moment suggested that any one branch of engineering or one par- Question again proposed, ticular factory was not working to full That a sum, not exceeding to capacity, Of course there are cases of granted to His Majesty, to complete the suil necessary to defray the chargo which will com that kind. I know some factories which in course of payment during the year ending could not produce another 5 per cent. or on the 31st day of March, 1942, for the even 2 per cent. output, but 1 would not salaries and expenses of the Ministry of like the Committee to think for one Supply, including expenses of the Royal Ordnance Factories." moment that I vary in the least from the conviction I held and expressed on roth Sir J. Wardlaw-Milne: I was explaining that the estimate which I made in the June. Taking, our total effort, we are still short of what we can do, and the House on two occasions previous to the recent Debate, and which was referred to great advantage of these Debates will be if, as a result of them, the nation is by the Prime Minister to-day, was an esti- mate of what I considered to be the total brought to realise that we must get that possibilities of the nation harnessed to the extra production. Since I made that speech I have had many hundreds of production of munitions of war. I do not suggest, and I have never suggested, that contacts, both personally and by corre- it was anything more than an estimate I Regraded Unclassifie Supply Committee 29 JULY 1941 -Production." 1335 1334 could not be, It would be quite impossible surprised that that has been the case; but to give figures on a basis that would I really cannot believe that in Australia satisfy all actuary of an accountant, and or in America our cause can be per- I gather that was one ol the difficulties— manently harmed by earnest criticism in I quite understand it-which my right this House, and by our showing our hon, Friend the Prime Minister had this determination to apply every remedy and morning in dealing with my statement. every means in our power and to make My right bon. Friend gave some very in- every sacrifice necessary to secure the teresting figures of the increase in the greatest possible effort of which this number of people working for victory in country is capable. I cannot believe that the country now as against a year ago. in the end we suffer by having made our He wid that there was one-third more object plain, especially among our people working in factories and that our brethren in Australia, and I should have production was one-third more, and con- thought it could only be harmful, if at sidering that there had been difficulties of all, to a limited extent in the United the black-out. air attacks, and so on, the States. I appreciate that my right hon. situation was not at all unsatisfactory. To Friend was kind enough to say it was me a comparison of that sort, if I may say not the speech I made but words taloen so with the very greatest respect to my from it and divorced from their context. right bon. Friend. is quite meaningless. One appreciates that there are great diffi- This is not a question of comparing one culties for newspapers in these days, and time period with another. There is one appreciates that every Member of nothing with which one can compare. It Parliament has to be particularly careful can only be a question of one's own idea in what he says in time of war. At the based on the evidence one can secure as same time I do not think anyone who to what the country could do. does me the bonour of reading my speech One of the objects I had in view in the on the last occasion could possibly say I speech which I made-and I can assure failed to appreciate the difficulties facing hon, Members that I gave that estimate the Government or that I attributed blame only after very careful consideration-has recklessly either to the Government, to been achieved, because it has brought to employers, or to employed. the notice of the Government that 3 very In that speech I referred to three points large number of people are not satisfied particularly which show that I was not that we are pulling at the full 100 per putting forward merely carping criticism. cent. rate, which ought to be the case in Firstly, I referred to our unpreparedness our war effort, also stated before when the war started and that our diffi- business was interrupted that I had had culties to-day are proof of the earnestness many contacts and that no one has of our efforts to avoid war in 1939. suggested T was pessimistic in making Secondly, I dweit on the time required that statement-if anything it was said for the change-over from péace to war that I was over-optimistic. An immense conditions. It is surely quite clear also number of new factories which did not -and here. I am referring to an earlier previously exist have come into opera- remark made in the House by the Prime tion during the last year. I do not want Minister-that my remarks could not be to quarrel with the Prime Minister's taken as being criticism of the present am very glad he is so satisfied- Minister of Supply or the present Presi- but, personally, I do not think the fact dent of the Board of Trade. I believe that our output is one-third more/than that both these gentlemen have done a year ago is entirely satisfactory. I excellent work, but that does not in the think we could do better than that. least detract from the point 1 am making, The Prime Minister also spoke of the namely, the necessity to drive home to effect which these remarks of mine and the people of this country that there is the rémarks of other speakers had had, still more that we can do, and that we particularly in the United States and in are not doing all we can and putting in Australia, I very much regret, I deeply that little extra which is necessary if we regret, that any remarks of mine should are to win in reasonable time. To me, have had an adverse effect in Australia reasonable and careful criticism of that or America. The Committee will not kind is the duty of the House of Commons. think it strange, perhaps. if I may 1 am If WE are not fighting for free discussion Regraded Unclassified Supply Committee HOUSE OF COMMONS -Production 1335 US [Sir J. Wardlaw-Milne.) important WOTN he is doing. I IIIII Run in the House of Commons, for free speech the Minister of Labour will not desire the and for a free Press, indeed, I do not Committee to believe he is entirely Mts. know what we are fighting for, and, of all fied with the present position of affairs. people. I believe my right hon, Friend We all know there is a great deal more the Prime Minister would be the first to still to be done in training labour and in support me in that view. Clearly it must placing it. be our object to be careful in what we There is one point, however, upon ay, but equally it is our duty to try, which I must dwell for a moment. lbs not to find fault with the Government, Prime Minister referred to it again-in but to spur them on to obtain that extra faot, it was one of the main points of bis production which is so necessary and to speech. It relates to the desire in mille polot out where changes are required. I parts of the House and among a great have not always seen eye to eye with my number of people outside to see the right hon. Friend in political matters. I appointment of a Ministry of Munitions. differed entirely from his view in one par- When I spoke here a few weeks ago 1 ticular question some years ago, but he dealt with that point rather guardedly has had no better friend or stronger sup- I referred to the necessity for co-ordination porter in the last months since he took to avoid the difficulties which exist-and up his present heavy responsibilities. The everyone knows they exist-between country owes him a great debt for his Government Departments and between the determination, drive and initiative which Departments and various factories, and 1 are of inestimable value, but at the same came to the conclusion that there seemed time, however gifted one man may be. then no other way out of the difficulty one cannot help feeling that the country except by the appointment of a Ministry might benefit if that task could be a little of Munitions. I was well aware of the more spread over others and his heavy fact that a complete change-over of this burden correspondingly reduced. kind at this stage of the war was a matter which would have to be very carefully I do not wish to draw attention to-day considered. There is no doubt that 1 to matters to which I referred on the last would be apt to hold up the machine, per- occasion. It is noticeable, however, in haps only for a few days but even possibly connection with the references I made for weeks, I have therefore been consider- then that there has been a change, a ing since then whether there is not minor change perhaps, in the working of another measure which could be put for the Essential Works Order. I am not sug- ward as a constructive proposa) to enable gesting it is as a result of the remarks the Government to deal with the various made during that Debate, but at any rate difficulties which I and other Members it has been a change which I hope will have enumerated to-day and on the lead to a more satisfactory working of that legislation. I am very tempted to deal previous occasion. with some of the difficulties of the Minister It seems to me that there is an alterna of Labour and his Ministry, such as the tive which might be tried. The Minister inadequate training facilities in factories, of Labour has made certain alterations vacancies in the training centres, and the in the Area Boards. I agree with the last further measures required to successfully speaker that these changes have not gone harness the willing labour of hundreds of far enough to make any radical alteration thousands who for the first time in their in the present procedure. These Area lives are devoting themselves to very Boards, or Regional Boards, as they are arduous work under disagreeable and often now called, are still mainly advisory. In repugnent conditions. The Prime Minister that capacity I do not think we will get seemed to me to want to shield the Minister very much further help from them. I of Labour, The Minister of Labour is of suggest that the Government might CODE a very stalwart structure, and he seems to sider giving real power to these Regional me to be well able to stand on his own. Boards to act in their areas undet one I do not know of anyone attacking him Minister in Whitehall-I do not care what although 1 do not think he can possibly you call him-a Minister of Munitions of expect to be tree of criticism in a time like a present member of the War Cabinel DW this when all of us are so deeply interested from Departmental work and in control of in obtaining the maximum results in the the Production Executive What Supply: Committee 39 JULY 1941 Production 1338 1537 want is not advice but action in the Time is passing. It is a little sad that, regions. They have the knowledge there after twenty-three months of war and of production capabilities in their areas, three years or more since We Harted to and, if we could get a Board consisting rearm, we are still only directly fighting of representatives of the different Minis- Hitler, though very effectively, in the air. tries, presided over by a leading local in- Let us face the facts. I do not think for dustrialist as chairman and a leading a moment that we lose caste anywhers in trade unionist as deputy-chairman, or the world by facing them. It has taken vice versa, with power to act in their area, us a long time, although the task was I believe we might make a very great tremendous and the change-over no mean advance in securing all the district was one, to get into our stride, and it is a little capable of producing: in the removal of sad, I say, that we are not any further bottle-necks and in the transfer of on than we are to-day, great as our capacity from one part or unit in the area achievements are. I do not want ever to another. It would be essential that the again to have the Prime Minister say, in chairman, acting for the Board, should a similar kind of case, as he had to say in have power to refer directly to one Mínis- the case of Crete, that we could not hold ter in Whiteball. What we want to stop it because we had not got the guns. Why is the present system by which problems have we not got the guns? Some of the are referred back from the area to each reasons why we have not got them yet Department of the Government inde- to the extent necessary are the very pendently, from the Ministry of Supply matters which the Prime Minister dis- representative to the Ministry of Supply, missed to-day as details. It is these details from the Admiralty representative to the that count. I want a determined effort by Admiralty, and thus delay decisions and every executive and every workman to get hold up output. If the Government feel the largest output possible and to avoid that a Ministry of Munitions means too waste of time, labour or material. It must complete an upset at the present stage be unpatriotic to waste one's efforts and of the war, 1 suggest that they should to allow others to waste valuable days and make these Area Boards very much months. If we have brought that home stronger than they are at present and give to the people, as well as bringing the them power to control production within difficulties and problems actively before their areas and to refer directly to one the attention of the Government, we have Minister where there is a necessity to done some good. settle some question of policy. I am deeply concerned at the inadequacy of the Mr. Shinwell (Seaham): The Prime present area organisations and I think a Minister, in opening the Debate, made a policy of decentralisation on some such characteristic speech. I am bound to say lines is the only possible alternative to that it was a remarkable dialectical effort, Ministry of Munitions. and with much of what was said about the I have said that the first object of my immensity of our task, the final outcome of the war, the background of our pro- former speech had been achieved, and duction effort and the response of labour, that Was to bring to the notice of the I am in complete accord. Indeed, so are Government the fact that many people in we all. But if the speech was intended the country are not satisfied with what we as a considered reply to the recent Debate are at present doing. I think I might on production and the many criticisms almost claim that my second object in made on that occasion, it was singularly these Debates has also been achieved, and unsuccessful. We expected a considered that is to make the people of the country reply to the allegations made in the last also realise the position. If we can make Debate. Apart from one or two allega- people appreciate the importance of their tions to which the right hon. Gentleman own Individual effort, the damage done by replied, no more was said, and the only delays or stoppages, whether the fault of response that we received was that our managements or slackness on the part of criticism, which emerged from all quarters workmen, it we can make every man and of the House, would be duly considered. woman realise that it is indívídual effort The Prime Minister has again failed to that counts, we shall have gone far to appreciate the fundamental nature of the achieve what we want. complaint which has emerged in almost Regraded Unclassified Supply: Committee HOUSE OF COMMONS Production 1339 THe [Mr. Shinwell.] factory. We have had percentages and every one of the production and man- statistics which are meaningless and not power Debates. May I, therefore, direct vey nothing In the nature of the (to attention to what I regard as the real nothing can be conveyed by these statis. and fundamental issue? It can best be tics. Occasionally we have heard state. appreciated if it is put in a series of ments by Government spokesmen in emply questions. Do the facts-I emphasise the to criticisms which express complete facts-of our actual production justify the satisfaction with the state of our munitimes acceptance of the view that the position is progress. Frequently we have read satisfactory, having regard to the gigantic speeches by Ministers which Were task confronting the-nation? Have we supremely optimistic, The speech of the organised the whole of our potential in- Minister for Aircraft Production in the dustrial capacity in the war effort? Is last production Debate was a truly there any substance in the complaint remarkable effort in optimism. It was on made about idle and under-umployed easy-going. so complacent and 50 mill. labour in factories and about inefficiency assured, probably because, as the Prime of managements? It the munitions post- Minister remarked when announcing to- tion was showing a steady improvement day's Debate, it was not a considered under the control of the late Mipister of statement. Ministers are expected to Supply, why was he supplanted by Lord make considered statements. If they are Beaverbrook? To these question we unable to do so, it seems likely that they have received no adequate replies. have much to learn about their jobs. On Before I deal with the questions I must the other hand, We frequently here make reference, following what was said accounts of our munitions position which by my bon. Friend opposite, to another show that the Government are fully alive issue that emerged from the Prime to the inadequacy of our production effort, Statements do not lose their force because Minister's speech. If I may say so, my right hon. Friend is very prolific in his they are made behind closed doors, and challenges to the Committee. He invites in public Ministers manage to let the cit us to Divide and again Divide, and pre- out of the bag. sumably to Divide as often as we please; A superabundance of evidence goes to he is ready to meet the challenge. There prove that we could make a fuller use of has, however, never been any specific our productive effort. Speeches and challenge to the Government. Surely it articles by responsible trade union cannot be supposed that when questions leaders, many of which I have collected are asked or criticisms emerge in this free and could quote, statements by worken and democratic Assembly, the only and by production experts and documents response vouchsafed by the Prime Minister issued by the Select Committee provide A is to be the acceptance of a challenge. As powerful case for criticism which, even far as I am personally concerned, I am allowing for the many difficulties which willing to Divide the House at least twice the Government have encountered, is in a week on a fundamental issue if it does pressive and cannot be easily dismissed. emerge, but not on the terms stated by the I propose to take my stand on the ground Prime Minister. With Whips of all parties provided by the Government themselves fettering private Members, it is easy Take, for example, the admissions-for enough to challenge hon, Members. The they were admissions, vital admissions- challenge is easy when all the cards and, indeed, all the trumps are stacked on your made by the Prime Minister during the Debate on the Cretan episode. Was it side. I resent these challenges that emerge not conclusive that the primary difficulty from my right hon. Friend. There is no occasion for them. Whether he challenges was to provide a sufficiency of arms in all theatres of our Near Eastern opera- us or not, however, criticism will be con- tions? This is what the Prime Minister tinued if there is just occasion for it, but not with any desire to impair the war said among other things: fabric or embarrass the Government. A man must be g. perfect fool who thinks that we have large quantities of anti-aireraft In spite of what the Prime Minister said, guns and aircraft lying about unused at the and, indeed, in spite of this Debate, it is present time. I will speak about aircraft in a still not clear whether the Government moment, but, BG far as anti-aircraft game - regard the munitions position as satis- concerved. large and expanding as is our present production, every slogle gun in to Supply: Committee JULY 1941 Production 1342 actions of more necessary point or other, and alone. He more than any other man is future production for many months aboad all engerly competed for by rival claimants conscious of the need for attack if the not of them (OFFICIAL REPORT, ruth June, with. very aften. massive cases behind each enemy is to be brought to book. We did not enter the war simply for the purpose 1941. DOL. 142, Vol. 372.] of defending this island. On the other That was a quite recent announcement, a hand, if we expect invasion, as the Prime vital and damaging announcement. It Minister indicated in his speech to-day, should be noted that the statement was and are conserving our resources for that made. not in secret but in public, so that event, why are we 80 prolific in our when the Prime Minister criticises the critics pledges of active support and 50 ready for making known to the country and the in promising assistance? If all we have world our deficiencies, he must himself in munitions barely suffices for the de- take a share and a large share of the fence of these shores, with some provision responsibility when he is guilty of making for our Forces in the Near East which pronouncements of this character. It may itself is known to be inadequate in the be urged that the first consideration in event of large-scale operations, why pre- relation to the Cretan episode was tend that the production position is satis- stratogy. But it is surely clearly estab- factory and show resentment in the teeth lished that our strategy is largely, if not of criticism? Facts are facts, whatever wholly, determined by our capacity to the Government may say, and the sup- produce and deliver munitions. pression of criticism will not enable the Government to take the initiative. That There is a stronger and more recent can only be achieved when we have an criticism. The Prime Minister, in a efficient scheme of production and a flow courageous broadcast six weeks ago, made of munitions on a colossal scale has an immediate response to the wan- emerged. ton act of aggression committed by Hitler on Soviet Russia. Since It occurs to me, and I recall what the then we have proceeded further. Prime Minister said during his speech, We have declared Soviet Russia that the Government are relying too much is our Ally. That was a wise decision. on the flow of munitions from the United Furthermore. we promised to render all States. If so, it is a grave blunder. 1 possible aid to our new Ally in her listened with great interest to the state- struggle against the enemy. Why have ments of our American friends on this we 30 far failed to render assistance of a side. Their optimism does credit to their substantial kind? The air attacks on the intentions and sincerity, but we cannot Western Front have been magnificent. but expect the industries of the United States they would presumably have occurred in to repair the deficiencies of our own fac- any event. If the Government main- tories. That is asking from them more tained that these attacks would not have than they are capable of giving. More- taken place, that would itself be a ground over, should America be embroiled in war for serious criticism. We know the Prime with Japan, it is doubtful whether we Minister well enough to say that he would can expect to receive a flow of munitions wish to create a substantial diversion on 00 the present scale. Therefore, to say the Western Front, to throw our strength that there is a vast improvement on the into the attack and help to relieve our position a year ago, and that we are Russian Allies. Why has he failed? My gradually bringing the nation to full pro- right hon. Friend the Prime Minister has duction, is not enough. the courage, he has the ambition, and the firm conviction of the urgent need for It may be that the Government have such ab onslaught. He would be the first a target figure in guns and tanks and in man to join issue with the enemy on this all forms of munitions, and that the target front. Why is be so reluctant? Surely figure is being reached every month. That the answer is that he has everything but may be so, although it may sometimes the means. happen that the target in a particular category appears to have been reached It may be urged that we have to con- when, in fact, for want of spare parts or serve our resources because of the possi- for some other cause, they cannot be put bility of invasion, but the Prime Minister into commission. A tank is not really a does not rely for final vintory on defence tank until it is fully equipped with gons. Regraded Unclassified 1343 Supply! Committee HOUSE OF COMMONS Production (Mr. Shinwell.] received any consideration. Moreover, the electrical equipment and all other acces- basic wage paid to female workers in the sories, any more than a ship becomes a factories was far too low and failed to ship when it is launched but has not the attract labour from other industries. That engines installed. In any event, it is is why registration became essential. I always possible to reach a target figure hear that the basic wage for female without difficulty if the figure is com- workers in our new factories is only 3% paratively low. Everything depends on a week, and while they may earn more it the target set by the Government. If has led to stress and strain which has the Government believe that 1,000 guns cansed new difficulties. That, I believe, a month-that is merely an illustration- is not the fault of my right hon. Friend, are sufficient, and that figure is reached, but the fault of the Treasury, who know they may feel satisfied. but the number nothing about such matters, and may be far short of what is actually re- apparently never realised that girls can quired. It may be necessary that the ing £3 and sometimes LA a week in not- target figure should be revised and in- essential trades were not disposed to enter creased. munition factories and, when they WITH I should like to refer to a Debate in this House on 7th August last year. On that workers. compelled to do so, became unwilling occasion I. with other hon. Members, made a demand for the complete mobilisa- Moreover, when the managements in tion of all our resources for the war effort. private concerns proved difficult the That demand received support in many Minister of Labour had no power to in- quarters and elicited the reply-in August tervene. There was no authority to & place them or to take over the factories last, let it be noted-that the Government had a plan and that it was working to apart from the famous declaration by the their complete satisfaction. Subsequent Lord Privy Seal. which is now a standing joke all over the country. On the other events seem to índicate that whatever the hand, my right hon. Friend the Minister plan was it proved inadequate for our pur- of Labour was step by step compelled to poses, or perhaps the Ministers responsible use compulsion on the workers without for operating the plan never had a real exercising any compulsion on the em- chance of bringing it to fruition. At any ployers. That is not only an anomaly but rate, after all the talk of planning and the is an impediment to production. No, Sir, promise of full mobilisation, at the end of the blame does not reside in the Minister nearly two years of war and fifteen months of Labour or, for that matter, in any other of the life of the present Government, we Departmental Minister. It is elsewhere have failed to achieve anything like the that we must search for it. full use of our resources. Who is to blame for this state of affairs? Let me give another example, The late Minister of Supply, now the President In the opening speech of the Debate my of the Board of Trade, is a man with . right hon. Friend paid a well-deserved tribute to the Minister of Aircraft Produc- remarkable business record and, as every- tion. May I remind the Committee that one will agree, a man of the highest barely twelve months ago the Minister of integrity. In a statement issued by has Labour received the unstinted and Department following upon a Debate in unanimous applause of hon. Members Secret Session he gave a fair exposition of the work of the Ministry of Supply. opposite? Now many of the same people He showed how it was gradually to be who applauded him seek to condemn him, but he is not to blame for the present built up by an ordered production plan After nine months, what has he actually position. He has never had the authority which would have enabled him to deal produced? He has not produced a scheme which commends itself to the Wat with the situation. His task has been to Cabinet or to the Prime Minister, and provide the labour, not to organise the certainly not that vast range of munitions supply of munitions. Indeed, it is doubt- ful whether my right hon. Friend was ever which everybody had been entitled to ex- pect. All that be has succeeded in pm consulted about the location of the new ducing is Lord Beaverbrook. That is all ordnance factories. They were placed in remote areas. Housing was apparently that has emerged. Why has Lord the Beaverbrook emerged? Is it because never considered; transport certainly never position is satisfactory? Is it because the Supply: Committee 29 JULY 1941 Production 1945 1340 plan has succeeded, that smooth-working hon. Member for Kidderminater (Sir J. plan of which we heard so much in the Wardlaw-Milne) that it may not be right Prime Minister's speech to-day? Is it to introduce a proposal of this kind now, because the plan has succeeded and we but some modified proposal might be are now able to build up the tanks and acceptable. I have ao desire to abolish guns which we require for a great effort? the Ministries of Supply, Aircraft Produc- Or is it because the plan has failed, and tion or Labour, but I want these Depart- something must be done rapidly to make ments to work to a. common pattern, to up the leeway? It was suggested some- eliminate all competition and to abolish where that the late Minister of Supply all overlapping in production. The had to return to the Board of Trade be- Ministry of Supply will never be a success- cause there was nobody else to go there. ful organisation until there has been a sub- Surely the Prime Minister could have stantial transfer of the functions of other selected somebody from his entourage to Departments to that Ministry. There is fill that post without arousing additional undoubtedly too much overlapping, and I comment. will provide an example. The Ministry of What is Lord Beaverbrook expected to Supply and the Ministry of Aircraft Pro- do at the Ministry of Supply? Apparently duction both manufacture machines, he has reconstructed his Tank Board. although of different types. The Ministry Presumably he has done so because there of Supply and the Admiralty both manu- was something wrong with the old lot, facture explosives and shells, as well as and if there was something wrong with ammunition for certain guns, while the the old lot, there was something wrong Ministry of Supply manufactures some somewhere, Immediately Lord Beaver- shells for ex-naval guns now in the coastal brook emerges he removes the old gang defences. The Ministry of Aircraft Pro- and introduces a new lot. Is Lord duction manufactures bomb cases, Beaverbrook expected to act as a bull in although the Ministry of Supply does the a china shop and to barge around the filling and supplies the fuses. The place? We have heard stories of his Ministry of Supply manufactures all small arging. Is he expected to remain for the arms and ammunition. Surely this con- urpose of boosting-up production. When stitutes a prima facie case for more unified the booster is finished, is he to retire on organisation? his laurels, or is he to be sent to another Department to boost things up there, as In the last Debate on production, a the universal booster for the Government? demand was made for the pooling of He still remains a member of the Produc- factories. I believe it was a very prac- tion Executive. Who is to co-ordinate the tical proposal. This served to elicit a activities of the Production Executive? superficial response from the Minister of Will Lord Beaverbrook allow himself to be Aircraft Production, who regarded it as an co-ordinated? I wonder whether my right effort to purchase outright the whole of the hon. Friend the Minister of Labour would engineering industry. It is nothing of the care, in a confidential comment across the sort. There are several impediments to Floor of the Committee but so that every- increased production, but one of them is hody can hear, to give the Committee an the fact that several of the managements utterly trank idea of what he expects Lord _1 do not put it higher than that-are Beaverbrook to do on the Council over reluctant to release labour and other re- tinction. which he presides with so much dis- sources for the use of their competitors; sometimes they conceal their reserves for Mr. Bevin: 1 can tell you what he will fear of losing them to other firms. The have to do, plain fact is that they are afraid of diminishing their earning capacity. The Mr. Shinwell: Already? Such language remedy is to pool the firms engaged in to my Lord Beaverbrook? I do not ask certain fields of productive activity, thus for a Minister to run a grandiose munitions providing compensation to shareholders department. In that respect I differ from and giving each firm an assurance that some of my hon. Friends. I ask for a none will gain at the expense of another. Minister in the War Cabinet untrammelled That would remove much of the present by departmental considerations, to preside difficulty, but that is not nationalisation. over the Production Executive and CO- although I am bound to say that if the ordinate their activities. I agree with the Government find that production is being Regraded Unclassified Supply: Committee HOUSE OF COMMONS -Production 1347 [Mr. Shinwell.] completely vindicated by events and lead retarded by private firms, the obvious offer no apologies for the strictures in the course is to take them over, at least for recent Debate. the duration of the war. It is the function of this House to offer A few words now on the question of criticism, and ] hope they will Inc labour supply. I have no doubt that the abandon it. I maintain that since last Minister of Labour has done all in his August we have consistently offered line power to increase training, but I doubt gestions to the Government in a helpful whether the position is yet satisfactory. and constructive spirit. If, on occasion, Perhaps he will tell us what numbers are there is some acid about, let it not be at his disposal. Several weeks ago we forgotten that Ministers, not excluding the accepted proposals for the concentration Prime Minister, have indulged in its Doe of industry. The main purpose was to themselves. The faults are not always release labour from non-essential indus- on one side. But whether in the Goven tries for work on munitions. What is ment, or on the other benches in this the result? It is reported that we have House, our objective is the same, It is, secured, or are about to secure, the ser- to construct out of our vast resources the vices of about 115,000 persons. That is arms required to give the death blow to a ridiculously small number. The esti- the menace of Hitlerism. On that issue mated labour force in non-essential indus- there is common agreement, whatever else tries that could be made available is may divide us. We have the skill of from 700,000 to 750,000 persons, so that our craftsmen, the willingness of million all we have been able to secure is about of our workers of less skill but none the I5 per cent. Again, we run up against less useful, our technical ability and the difficulty that obstacles are placed in capacity of organisation and, by DO meas the way by firms who see their livelihood least, the support of powerful Allies disappearing and by workers who prefer That, properly used, is a powerful and to remain in their old trades earning formidable combination. Let us make reasonable wages instead of going on certain it is effectively organised and munitions, where the basic wage for a harnessed to the national effort. man is 63s. and for a woman 38s. weekly. Not until the principle of com- Mr. Leslie Boyce (Gloucester): I do not pensation is accepted shall we overcome propose to intervene for more than a few this difficulty, and when it is considered minutes, as I know that a number of that workers who must leave their homes Members who wish to speak may not be are compelled to pay high prices for given an opportunity to do so. My inter- billets, and have sometimes heavy trans- vention is for two reasons, first, because I port costs, it will be seen that some of happen to be intimately associated with the troubles are of the making of the & number of industrial concerns through Treasury and not of the Ministry of out the country which are engaged is Labour. Government work, and, secondly, be- This is not in reality a production cause, no less than the Prime Minister Debate. We are not called upon to offer himself, I felt. that the recent Debate (B constructive proposals, and I shall tell the supply was calculated to give a wholly Committee why. Because, as the Prime false impression of the magnitude of onz Minister observed in the course of his national effort. speech, every proposal that has emerged In the present Debate, in summing up in the course of the past year or 18 months his condemnation of the results which was already well known to the Govern- have been achieved by our production ment and had been considered. I do not Departments, the hon. Member for Kxl- want to advance constructive proposals, derminister (Sír J. Wardlaw-Milne) said, only to be told six months hence that the in effect, Here we are at the end di Government knew all about them before I 23 months, and we are only hitting Hitle had thought of them. If the Government in the air." Has he never heard of the know everything, there is not much room work of the Royal Navy? Does he blame for the critics in this House. Indeed, I the Ministry of Supply or the industries di wonder if there is much room for Parlia- this country for the immense amount di ment itself. I affirm that the case for the equipment left behind at Dunkirk, of is critics has been made out. They are Norway, Greece, or Crete? When Supply: Committee 19 JULY 1941 -Production 1349 1350 have regard to the fact that this country Whether We are producing aeroplanes, started its war production effort some five tanks, guns or any other form of muni- or six years after Germany, when we have tions, we should adopt as a winning regard to the enormous change-over that motto: Get your prototype right before bas had to take place in our factories and you go into production." This involves, workshope from a peace-time to a war among other things, having actual production, apart altogether from the machines built and undergoing a whole hundreds of new plants that have had to series of trials, the manufacturer re- be laid down, I submit to the Committee ceiving, day after day, modifications in the result which has been achieved up to design as the result of those trials, before date, when taken as a whole, has been be can start production. But production truly remarkable: need not necessarily be held up seriously on that account, provided that the mo- But nobody in his senses, least of all ment the machine has reached a certain the Prime Minister, pretends that we have standard of performance, the manu- yet had time to reach the maximum effort of which this nation is capable. There facturer is allowed to go ahead and pro- duce, say, 50 or 100 of that type. Later is ample evidence that most of the short- modifications may be conveniently in- comings mentioned in this or the previous corporated in the next series. In that Debate are known to the Government, way the country will get the best of both and are receiving attention. They are worlds. The R.A.F. and the Army will being brought to the notice of the Govern- get the machines on which to start their ment by trade associations and indus- training, and, in due course, when the trialists all the time whenever they arise. real fighting units come off the production I believe the gap between the percentage line, they will incorporate all the latest of output which the hon. Member for improvements. Fortunately, at least 50 Kidderminster mentioned and the maxi- far as my experience goes, the Supply mum output of which we are capable, is Departments are acting more and more on closing more quickly than the hon. Mem- this principle, which I am certain is the ber would lead us to believe. right one. In the recent Debate on production the There are many such practical points bon. Member for North Aberdeen (Mr. on which I would wish to touch if there Garro Jones), like other hon. Members, were time, but I have reason to believe made considerable play with the fact that that in most cases the Government are industry was being held up owing to well aware of them and are giving them numerous alterations in designs. I know their attention. I would, however, like from bitter experience what it is to have to emphasise one very important point, a pile of blue-prints arriving morning and that is that if we are to maintain an after morning containing such alterations even and uninterrupted flow of aero- just when you are hoping to receive in- planes, tanks, guns and munitions, there structions to go ahead with production. must be continuity of orders so that fac- There have been times when some of us tories should have sufficient time to retain have been extremely irritated by that: or engage the necessary labour, to plan times when, if 1 had not been a Member and programme the production through of Parliament, I should perhaps have been their shops, to order and obtain the materials required so that they can be sorely tempted to seek out a Member of Parliament and elicit his assistance, But put through their machine shops and got ready as component parts for assembly. we learned our lesson and modified our and to enable them to obtain the neces- views at the time of the Battle of Britain. sary jigs, tools, templates, etc., so that We then realised-some, perhaps for the the time taken in changing from one pro- first time- that if it had not been for the duction job to another is reduced to the alterations which had been made in the absolute minimum. In years gone by we designs of the Spitfire and of the Hurri- have suffered through orders being held cane which gave them superiority in per- back and only brought to us at a time formance, no amount of skill on the part when we had no alternative but to stand of the industrialists and workers and of men off. I am glad to say, however, the pilots could possibly have saved this that in recent times, and particularly dur- country. ing the tenure of the present Government, Regraded Unclassified Supply: Committee HOUSE OF COMMONS -Production 1351 *MI [Mr. Boyce.] and I feel that during the last Debute things have greatly improved in that re- the Committee was not altogether treated spect. I have mentioned the matter with that regard and courtesy which it again to-day in order to bring it further deserves. After all, at the present time, to the attention of the various Depart- when so many of our liberties have been ments concerned, so that any delay of surrendered, it is all the more important this kind which may still operate to pre- that the Executive should value the vent the even flow of production may be critical and informative function which eliminated altogether in the future. Parliament is expected to exercise, I can 1 am very glad indeed that the Govern- not help feeling that my right bon ment, and Parliament, as has been shown Friend, had he consulted this Sancho by the various speeches made to-day, Panza, his Parliamentary Private Secre- realise that whereas overtime is necessary tary, might have bad a conversation in the present national emergency, it has something like this: been proved to be a physical impos- How sayest thou so? quoth Dog sibility to work men for seven days a Quixote: Dost thoy not bear the home week and to maintain increased output. neigh, the trumpets sound, and the beat of drum? I hear nothing else said Sancho 1 know of a number of cases where the than a great bleating of many sheep.' seven-day week has been attempted, and the output, with the best will in the world, When my right hon. Friend said it would has actually fallen below that of the be open to us to take up the quarrel, normal week's output. I think be was making a great mistake. As the hon. Member for Seaham (Mr. It has been repeatedly said that more Shinwell) said, there is no quarrel here: than go per cent. of the managements and we are all on the same line; we want to men who are engaged in industry at this moment are putting their backs into their get our production up to its very maxi- jobs in the great drive for victory on the mum, Again to-day, my hon. Friend the Member for Kidderminster (Sir workshop front. To that view I heartily subscribe. But I would like also to pay Wardlaw-Milne) said that be considerel a very well-deserved tribute to the im- that our production was below what it mensely valuable contribution being might be. I think every hon. Member made to industry by women. It is within who represents an industrial constituency my knowledge that many hundreds of must come to that conclusion. Without women, who are temporarily engaged in going into figures or percentages, there is no doubt that we could do more, and I industry to-day, and who do not expect to be continued in industry after the war, cannot see that it can do us any harm to are proving themselves punctual, metho- let that fact be known in Australia, the dical, industrious and efficient. In a United States, or anywhere else. It must matter of days, or at most weeks, they be admitted that in the United States there have mastered the most complicated are doubtless certain people and news- machines and are working accurately to papers who are always prepared to take the finest limits. In acknowledging, as any damaging statements out of their con- we gladly do, the work which our fellow text and use them against us. No Mem- men are doing at this time, I hope we ber of Parliament is unfamiliar with that shall not be slow to acknowledge our in- type of procedure, but I do not think creasing indebtedness to the women for much harm is done by it, and I think that the part they are playing in the national any harm that is done will be much more effort. than counterbalanced by the guidance and instruction which the Government will TE- Commander Bower (Cleveland): I ceive from hon. Members when such think the resumption of this Debate to- criticisms are made. day will be proved to be extremely valu- able because I cannot help feeling that I do not want to refer at any length to my right hon. Friend the Prime Minister deficiencies in our production, but there had a wrong impression of the amount of is one point I would like to bring to the interest which was being taken in the attention of my right hon. Friend the Min question of production, not only in this ister of Labour. Owing to the Essential House but throughout the country. Par- Work and other Orders, it is true to my liament, Press and people have been that, broadly speaking, no employer is taking a very lively interest in the matter, master in his own business to-day. That Supply: Committee 19 JULY 1941 Production 1353 1354 may or may not be a good thing, and I there are many of them, who have said do not propose to argue it now; what 1 they intend to go on criticising in a say is that somebody most be master and friendly way, 50 long as they find some- there must be some form of discipline and thing which should be criticised. control. After studying matters in my own constituency, my view is that the Mr. Lawson (Chester-le-Street): The control of the management has been in a Committee may remember that when the large measure vitinted, and nothing has Prime Minister made his statement to the been put in its place. That is unhealthy, effect that the last Debate had caused and I am quite convinced that in many some disturbance abroad, I interjected that it had caused some disturbance in instances that in itself causes a loss of this country. That was so, not because production. of the criticism-one expects criticism in There is another small point to which this House, and I have not been, as the 1 want to refer. My attention has been Committee knows, inactive myself on the drawn to one or two instances where civil question of production-but because it servants performing extremely useful jobs, was thought in the country that no really in which they have got to know all the adequate answer had been given to the details very thoroughly, and in which points raised. I thought that some of the those working with them have got to points would not have been very difficult know and like them, have suddenly been to answer. The feeling in the country- promoted and removed to another sphere and I had seen something of it in the of action for which they have been much Press as well-was illustrated by a con- less suited. I suggest that in such cases, versation which I accidentally overheard without depriving the civil servants of the and which indicated the reaction among extra emoluments which arise from their the people following what was said during promotion, they might easily be retained the previous Debate. Part of the con- in the same jobs where they would versation, which I heard in a bus, was on probably be much more useful in the war these lines: Well, we have pulled our effort than they would be in new and un- guts out for the last year; we have done accustomed jobs. all we can, and if this is the way they are Lastly, I wish to refer to the question going to talk about us, then to Halifax of anti-aircraft guns, which the hon. with the lot of them "-| am sorry to say Member for Seaham touched upon a few the word used was not Halifax. That moments ago. I had personal experience was the attitude of the workers. of this. There is no secret in the matter. The hon. Member for Kidderminster Last autumn the Navy were extremely (Sir J. Wardlaw-Milne) drew attention to short of anti-aircraft gons and I under- the fact that be had been balanced in his stood that was because they were wanted criticism. He was. He stated, for for the Army. But a few months later instance, that the Government had the Prime Minister stated openly in this worked wonders in the last year, and I House that the Army were short of anti- am going to show that they have done so, aircraft guns, and this was after nearly in spite of some criticisms I have heard. two years of war. I think that state of That fact did not emerge, however. What affairs was very regrettable indeed. I did emerge in the Press, and it was not only mention it because Crete was a very only hinted at, was the question of great shock to IB, particularly when some absenteeism, and questions affecting the of the facts became known and we found workers generally. I am not going to out how Very acute the shortage was in excuse any worker who does not do his spite of all the time for preparation. I duty. I am not such a fool as to say cannot believe the Government are satis- there are not workers who do not do their fied with a state of affairs like that. I duty. I have not been in industry for believe that if they are criticised for such the better part of my life without knowing deficiencies and resent this criticism, it is that, But I say, that the critics of the the duty of Parliament to say they resent workers seldom pay any attention to a such resentments. There is no hostility considerable section of society which to this Government at all. All Parliament never does any work at all, which has wants to do is to exercise its proper fune- sufficient wealth to get as much food as tions of guidance. I wish to associate it likes, which can roll in its motor cars mywlf with all those has Members. and to certain places and pay for what It No. 91 R Regraded Unclassified Supply: Committee HOUSE OF COMMONS -Production 1355 (Mr. Lawson.] I have said proviously in the Home the gets, and very often get what is denied I do not think there in sufficient authority to other people, We do not hear much in those who represent the Government & about that class. Neither do we hear that matters of production. 1 do not think the in the past year the mass of the workers Government have been given sufficient have, in the main, almost exhausted credit for the setting-up of the Production themselves in order to contribute towards Executive, the Advisory Committees and the nation's need. They have done more. the Regional Committees. That WM a Night after night, week-end after week- wise move. There was more windes end, they go out on night duty, helping behind it than the Committee generally in civil defence, taking part in route appreciates. The Advisory Committee marches, practices and manoeuvres with bas the effect of harnessing the experience the Home Guard. I think we might of industry generally on the part of es sometimes spend a little time in telling ployers and workers to the Production the world what our workers have done in Executive. That was badly needed. Tot the last year, instead of limiting ourselves Regional Committee does the same thing to criticism of their activities. One would I want the Minister of Labour to nb have thought from some of the speeches that there is something like unanimity in to-day that the Government had been in all parts of the House on the fact that who office for the last four or five years, or ever acts as chairman of the Production at least since the war had broken out. Executive must have time to do the work It looks to me as though some critics and authority to act. Both here at the are trying to cover the defects of previous centre and in the regions I have a - Governments by casting the sins of those of a lack of authority. Statements and Governments upon the present Govern- complaints were made in the last two ment days' Debate, but, as the Prime Minister showed to-day, some of them were What was the position twelve months a little out of date. The right hon ago? We had lost the bulk of our equip- Gentleman has only begun to operate ment in France and the Low Countries. as chairman of the Production Executive, We had a call for old shot guns for the Some of the troubles and scandah that Home Guard-and were we not pleased were related in the Committee happened when we got a varied assortment of arms some time ago. When complaints can be from America? We welcomed that gift as put to the Advisory Committee by the though it was a veritable factory arma- employers' side of industry, the committe ments works in itself. We were grateful get to know what is wrong, and they get for what we got. We are very grateful plenty of quick information. They come to America for all she has done and for up, too, from the workers' side, It a all that is coming. We appreciate the expected that these meetings, represents magnificent fight that Russia is putting up tive of the workers and the employers, will now and the benefit that it is giving us. keep the Production Executive informed But we still realise that we have to depend of what is happening in the country. The upon ourselves. If we have improved our right hon. Gentleman the Minister di position-and we have, as the Prime Labour has not the time to deal with Minister said-we have to remember, too, these things. It is no good saying them that the enemy has improved his position. is a staff to deal with them, because the He has the whole of Europe at his dis- are matters which need the personsi posal, and we have not learned much if attention of the Minister. we do not know that the enemy is just as ruthlessly efficient in things economic as he Then take the regional position: (in is in the military and air spheres? Speed same thing applies there. It was in the is the keynote of things as far as we are regions that I saw the scheme at work. concerned, and the Government, and par- I have proposed that there should be ticularly the Prime Minister, cannot suffi- somebody in a region directly responsible ciently emphasise to the people of this and free to act with authority in place country that one day that enemy will turn of relying upon a committee. What has upon us. He will come back in despera- pens in the region is that an employer tion, and We shall need to be armed much sits in the chair and the difficulties 19 better than we are at the present time if talked over. That employer is usually # that does take place. man who is the executive of a company Supply: Committee #) JULY 1941 -Production 4,557 1358 if not the manager. When he leaves that That statement made in this House has meeting he goes back to his own work usually been cheered, but I notice that and the whole organisation is left in the there in very great caution this afternoon hands of civil servants. They may be I always ask myself the question: Irre- good or they may be bad, but the fact spective of which party? I notice, for remains there is nobody with authority instance, that the last Ministers were in charge in the region. They get plenty chosen in certain parts of this House, and of circulars. That is the trouble, In- all of us had our opinions about them, stead of someone with authority being but when it came to the meagre- appointed to act, so many circulars are sent from Department after Department The Deputy-Chairman: I am not quite that if all are to be read there will be no sure under which Vote the present com- work done. I do not mind saying that if ments of the hon. Gentleman come. I read all the circulars I get on Civil Mr. Lawson: 1 was speaking about Defence matters, I should get no work criticism which had been levelled at the done, and I may tell those who write Government and was pointing out that it them that I do not read half of them. We had generally been side-tracked on to shall only cut down the issue of circulars labour. As a matter of fact, there is a by putting in charge someone who is definite attempt on the part of certain really responsible. hon. Members to try, by much pushing- I do not think the Prime Minister has off of criticism, to lay the whole of the heard the last of this question of a Minis- blame upon Labour for the position in try of Production, in spite of the explana- steel production. It is an old party game. tion he has given to-day. It is the old All I can say is that the Prime Minister question of the Ministry of Munitions over showed an understanding 12 months ago again, and I think he will have to answer of the stage of development at which this the case in a much more effective fashion country had arrived when he asked than he has done to-day, and also meet Labour, both political and industrial, to the point that we are now in a situation join the Government. It appears to me where we have not the incentive of private that it is not yet quite understood that profit-making on the one hand, or the Labour is not now in mean street, either wholesale nationalisation of factories on politically or industrially. Something like the other. I think that is a point which a. miracle has happened in this country. will call for an effective answer before In this industrial age there is more com- very long, bustible material lying about than ever before in our history, explosive material. 1 am glad that the right hon. Gentle- which has destroyed many nations. The man the Member for Devenport (Mr. miracle is that this country is more united Hore-Belisha) has come back to the Com- now than ever before in its history. If mittee, because I want to speak frankly there is anywhere an impression abroad upon another side of the matter which that labour can be kicked out and yet kept has not been raised at all to-day. It is in, all 1 can say is that that is heading not without significance that for the first for disaster. I do not want to pursue day of the formation of this Government that, except to say that I have watched the storm of criticism broke upon the Minister of Labour, My right hon. Friend with very great pleasure the united on- deavour of the people of this country to the Minister of Labour can answer for himself in any rough-and-tumble, but the increase output and to strengthen our de- fensive organisation. That unity and that matter has gone further than that since that day. I understand that something temper represent the people of the coun- like a shadow Cabinet is in being and, try. I do not believe that any section of from what I can see, particularly in the society will for a moment tolerate anyone Press, it is not without meaning that the who tries to separate the various elements Ministers who have been ousted are prac- of this Government. tically all Labour Ministers. There has In conclusion, as some of the older been a kind of straw ballot taken, which Members here know, there was a time often coincides with what are called the not very long ago, before artillery was rumours in the Lobby, Sometimes we mechanised, when each gun was drawn by have heard the statement that Ministers the horses. The Committee will perhaps ought to be chosen irrespective of party. excuse me for saying that I was one of Regraded Unclassified Supply: Committee HOUSE OF COMMONS Production 1359 5 [Mr. Lawson.] production. The greatest antidote to in the unfortunate people who had to ride flation takes place, and there is a greate the horses. I never made much of a sol- production for the war effort. Therefore dier, but I had much tribulation in learn- it is Government policy. ing to ride my horses, and I think I was about as brave about that as were some Mr. Henderson Stewart (Fife, East): I of the gentlemen who wore red tabs. One cannot recollect that I mentioned any. thing I learnt was that one had to forget thing about piece rates. I did not mean oneself and think of the team: if not, one to refer to piece rates at all. I was talking was soon in a tangle, there was soon about total wages earned, and the point 1 trouble and maybe disaster. The horses was trying to make was whether there had to move together. It was a great was to be any limit to the total wages art to get everything working together. I earned in a diminishing consumption market. thought that was a lesson which we had learnt effectively for the period of the war, Mr. Bevin: The hon. Member was refer. but I am beginning to have my doubts. ring to the speech I made which dealt with At any rate, we did learn then, for our piece work in the building industry. T own sakes, to forget ourselves and remem- made a speech in Manchester, and the ber the team. The moral of that is ob- hon. Member quoted from it. I dealt in vious, and if nothing else I have said is it with the transference of a body of mea, remembered. I recommend that to this after 100 years, to payment by results, House both in this and in future Debates. In the interests of the war effort I have The Minister of Labour (Mr. Ernest persuaded them to go over to the system Bevin): I do not think there are many of payment by result-no mean task, even points in to-day's Debate which I am for an unskilled labourer. Therefore, 1 called upon to answer in detail. There have said to the men that when the piece- are, however, one or two points from pre- rate is fixed in the building trade, I do not vious Debates which I should like to deal mind how many bricks they lay, or what with. as the Vote of the Ministry of they earn; what I want is production. Labour was not down on those occasions That is Government policy, and to the and I think it is better that I should clear the whole Cabinet adheres, them up now. There was a statement Mr. Stewart: That was not the report made by the hon. Member for East Fife printed in the Times." (Mr. Henderson Stewart) regarding piece- work earnings which. if allowed to go Mr. Austin Hopkinson (Mossley): Is unanswered, may cause some uneasiness there a guaranteed minimum? among the vast number of people in the Sir Joseph Nall (Manchester, Hulme): country who are on payments by results. I was present at the meeting to which the Payments by results, if they are to be Minister has referred, and I think I am successful in their application, must rest entitled to say that no one at that meeting on absolute confidence. There is no other could possibly have misconstrued what be way in which they can operate. It was said. It was perfectly clear to everyone suid on that occasion that I had caused who listened that he wished that those some uneasiness by the statement which I who did put their backs into the job had made publicly that I did not mind should get the proceeds to which they what was earned on payment by results were entitled. so long BS it was represented by produc- tion. We were asked whether or not that Mr. Bevin: There is another point represented Government policy, My which was made in the last Debate by my answer to the bon. Member is Yes, hon, Friend the Member for Kidder- emphatically." When a. rate is fixed minster (Sir J. Wardlaw-Milne) with through the procedure existing in regard to the difficulty of fixing nis. industry, and the people increase This is a vexed problem. Anyone who their output, it is not our concern, has had any experience of rate-fixing from that point, what they earn. We knows how difficult it is to forecast exactly assume that the industry will fix the rate what production will be, but I think that justly if the proper machinery is used. if the procedure laid down by the Em- But the more the people increase their ployers Federations and the trade unions earnings, the lower they make the costs of of the country in followed. and people do Supply: Committee 20 JULY 1941 130x Production 136a not go in madcap fashion fixing rates, announced in the Budget, to create a and then complaining of other people situation in which adjustments will not afterwards. it will be kept on a fairly good be necessary. I think that is the best level. It may be that, as a result of the policy to follow. expedition of workers, the outcome is greater production and, again, what looks May I say on behalf of perhaps 1 like abnormal earnings. But I am should not say on behalf of anybody, but I cannot yet remember that I am always a little puzzled about these abnormal earnings. I really think it is here, after so many years in another place. [Interruption.] I think Trans- time that this class distinction came to an port House is another place. I would end. If somebody gets £1,000, £2,000 like to say this, however, on behalf of or £3,000, it is purely a conception, it is industry. Before I came here there were purely a tradition, but if a workman gets many discussions on this problem. I over £5. somebody thinks the world is believe that both sides in industry are coming to an end. For Heaven's sake, let us get into our minds that the thing seized of the importance of trying to avoid such difficult times as they experi- that matters is cost. enced from 1918 to 1926. Adjustments May I refer. while on this wages upward may be popular-I speak from problem. to the White Paper, and deal sorry experience. Adjustments down- with the point put by the right hon. ward are not an easy matter. We do Baronet the Member for South-West not want to create a situation at the end Bethnal Green (Sir P. Harris). He asked, of this war in which wage policy will could not a stop be put on wages, because throw out of gear internal production. of the danger of inflation? That was the quick revival of our export trades, what was tried in the last war, and it coal and everything else. In that sense caused inflation. In 1917 the then we are trying with the help of employers, Government decided that they would get of the trades unions, of the Treasury and the chairman of the arbitration tribunal everybody else to keep the balance. That to announce that it was Government you will avoid inflation altogether is very policy that further increases should not be doubtful and you must have a strong granted. What happened? My right machine at the end of this war to con- bon. Friend the Prime Minister will well trol speculation and every factor which remember, because it nearly ended his could disturb the quick return to stability political career. The moment the safety and trade. I think, therefore, that the valve of unfettered arbitration was taken right hon. Gentleman the Member for away, disastrous disputes followed South-West Bethnal Green will agree that throughout the country. I beg hon. this matter has been carefully studied in biembers not to single out one class in the all its aspects in order that we may be community and say that for them arbitra- able to grapple with this problem. tion should be fettered. During the last Debate it was said that It has been assumed always that wages I, as Minister of Labour, was unskilled. increase prices. Actually, wages always I would like to take the opportunity now follow prices up and follow prices down. of saying that I do not think any greater I make a present of that fact both ways. honour has ever been done to me than the When prices go up, wages go up; and making of that remark by the hon. Mem- when prices come down and wages have ber for Mossley (Mr. Hopkinson). I am to follow them down, great difficulty in the proudest man in the country to think adjustment may result. We discovered that for nearly 40 years my lite has been that at the end of the last war. That is spent with unskilled labourers. After all, the difficulty. Therefore, on this ocea- the old navvy is not unskilled. He has sion We have made stabilisation the done much for civilisation by the roads fundamental policy. The White Paper he has cut, by the railways he has laid says that if prices remain as they are and by the great works he has constructed now, so-and-so should be taken into throughout the British Empire. It has account, but that if prices jump right up, been a pleasure to serve him and to be you cannot close the door to adjustment one of his kind, and [ do not want to of wages. We hope, by the methods we be anything else. It was a great honour have adopted and by the policy which the hon. Member did me, and one which the Chancellor of the Exchoquer I appreciate, more especially when 1 think Regraded Unclassified Supply: Committee HOUSE OF COMMONS Production 1363 2,304 (Mr. Bevin.] third is to bring within the orbit of the of the dockers of to-day. A few decades main manufactorer every possible mana. ago they were among the outcasts and facturing noit in the vicinity. That in the the rejected. but to-day they are in the gniding line. When contracts are Tun. forefront of the organised artisans of the ning and things are proceeding in the way world. Therefore, I want to thank the in which they have to do, it is not easy hon. Member for Mossley most sincerely to make a break. You cannot afford to for calling public attention to the fact that make a break, and you have to change M [ am an unskilled labourer. But it is the changing orders go on. One of the a little hard when a man tries to be a fundamental things that we did in relation cynic and only reveals that he is a cad. to production was this, After Dunkirk, I would like to deal now with the ques- we found ourselves in a very grave posi- tion of the Ministry of Production. I tion of short supplies of certain vital and cannot, of course, add anything to the essential materials. I do not think il statement of policy outlined by my right is any good crying about the past or hon. Friend the Prime Minister to-day. blaming anybody. For instance, if any. but I should like to make 3 few observa- body asks me who was responsible for the tions from my own personal experiences. British policy leading up to the war, 1 I doubt very much-and I will place it DO will, as a Labour man myself, make 8 higher than that-whether there is any confession and say, All of us.'' We half-way house between the present form refused absolutely to face the facts. When of organisation and a complete Ministry the issue came of arming or rearming mil- of Munitions. It is no use constantly try- lions of people in this country, people ing to find a compromise. The task always who have an inherent love for peace. WE is-and I say it as coming new to Gov- refused to face the real issue at a critical ernment, although, I hope, unbiased-to moment. But what is the good of blam- keep responsibility down. I have done a ing anybody? We cannot make our little organisation in my time, and I would action retrospective whatever we do, We utter this word of warning. It is so easy have to start from now and try to do the to pass the responsibility up. If you best we can. We found ourselves, then, create organism upon organism, there is in the terrible position of being short of a tendency for the responsibility to be supplies of alloy steel-the key, the linch- passed upwards into a bottleneck instead pin. We found ourselves in a position in of being held down to the circumference. which priorities were not working back We have been working with the Regional to the other side, to the point of ship- Boards, and We have been trying to carry ment. Orders and priorities abroad IVETO out principles of devolution, I admit not not quite working together. with complete success. There are many Why WIS that? I do not blame industrialists in the Committee who have anybody. There were so many fields of carried through great mergers, and I sug- supply open to us until Norway went und, gest that there is not one of them who, suddenly, France went. When the Con- in his experience of mergers, has been able tinent and the near points of supply was to level out everything in less than four or closed to us, we found ourselves suddenly five years. Whenever I took a society up against a position which nobody had into my large union, I always allowed anticipated or even provided for in the three or four years before 1 could get the strategy of war, I am putting the thing whole thing smoothed out and working quite frankly. That was the problem. properly. When you get to government, We had beföre us the whole list of sup- and it is a question of creating a complete organism, merging and reshaping so many plies. We curbed in one direction when things, it is not easy to keep the sense of we could manage for so many weeks, 61 responsibility down to the circumference. built up in another direction. I cannot I urge that the matter be considered in give figures to the Committee, but there in that light. not a manufacturer or a member of a Regional Board who will deny that the As I have said, we have been carrying problem of raw materials, and the tree out devolution, which is bound up with flow of materials, even with the Battle of three things. The first is the right dis- the Atlantic going on, has been largely tribution of materials, the second is the solved. I do not believe that a single full use of industrial capacity, and the works in this country in held up. unless Supply: Committee 29 JULY 1982 1365 Production työte there is a hitch in transport. I think that ing back in any affort it could make. is a. great accomplishment, with the Battle think that that is a mistake. It does not I of the Atlantic and everything else we matter what you say to as here, because have had to contend with over the last we know each other. If I may say so, few months. with all kindness, we know what value to There was then the question of balan- place upon what is said, My hon. Friend cing materials and food, a very critical will agree that I am not taking a different thing to do. It was not an easy decision line to that which I took in Labour con- to balance raw materials in the country, ferences for years. I used to say, Do and build up supplies in the Middle East, not carry silly resolutions, because either and choose between IS. 4d. or 15. worth other people will bank their policy upon of meat for the people of this country. I them, or they may result in unnecessarily have been frank with the workers in the destroying confidence." Remember a country, and I have told them why their person in another country never places the ration has gone down. When they find same interpretation upon what you say, the Cabinet took the decision to supply the and that what you say may convey an troops in the Middle East with equipment entirely wrong impression. After long at the expense of their rations, they cheer experience of international and I and say we have done the right thing. have tried to do my best in the inter- There is DO reason why they should not be national sphere-I say that there is one told. This balancing was going on every language of consumption abroad and day and every week, first on the labour another for consumption at home, and we side and then on the production side- should use language sparingly, when it is could we run this, or could we run that, to be consumed abroad, because of the and so on. The Prime Minister said dark difficulties which may arise. as the cloud has been, difficult as is the I should like to take this opportunity issue we have yet to face, yet with these to review briefly the kind of steps resources, with the resourcefulness of our one has had to take in dealing with the Forces and the contributions made to us in problems of my Department. First, I many ways we can see a little of the silver was given the task by the Prime Minister lining. At any rate our people will be of mobilising the labour of this country. better off this winter than they were last That task divided itself into three parts. winter. I have had very great difficulty First there were the Services. The in handling the mines problem for this Cabinet and the Defence Committee laid very reason. There is no use in disguising down in their wisdom how many men and the fact. As was so well put this morning women had to be found for the three at another meeting, it would probably be Services. We have a population of better if the men could have 2s, 6d. worth 44,000,000. You have to delete your of meat to conserve their energy than take working population out of that, strained another 10,000 men back into the mines. to its utmost limit, of about 17,000,000, We were conscious of what had to be faced and out of your 17,000,000 you must in dealing with the problem. allow, over a certain period, for a certain It has been asked, why are we not help- number of people of certain ages, and ing Russia more? I would say to my they must be of a certain physical stan- hon. Friend the Member for Seaham (Mr. dard. So you have to estimate health Shinwell) that it is very clever to say that standards, the rejects and the rest of it, my right hon. Friend's speech was dialecti- before you can get down at all to your cal, but I doubt the wisdom of such a working population. statement as be made. Surely it is known Bat there is another difficulty to over- what problems are facing the Army in come in connection with the Services. The regard to the question of taking the initia- number of Service tradesmen who have to tive? To imply that it is because we have be provided is about TO times as great as failed in production that we are not taking in any previous war. There has been IL the initiative on the Continent of Europe good deal of criticism about the number at this moment-and that is the inference of skilled men who have gone into the -is a little unfair to the productive side Services. I invito any industrialist to go It in also unwise, when Russia is fighting through the servicing depots of the Air for her very life, to let her think for a. Force establishments and tell me whether moment that the British Cabinet is hold- they have ever found it possible to run Regraded Unclassified 1367 Supply: Committee HOUSE OF COMMONS -Production 1y08 Mr. Bovin.] industry on as low a percentage of irritation and difficulty that had to M journeymen as that with which the Air overcome in the short-term policy. During Force has managed to build up that great the time that that was proceeding We von working out a long-term policy. organisation since the WAT broke out. It is an amazing achievement. The over- One of the tremendous difficulties that whelming proportion of the people repair- was facing us was the labour turnover ing our aircraft are semi-skilled and From all parts of the House in the earlier trained since the war broke out in terms Debates there was criticism that I Was not of months, and, not only that, but they stopping men from moving from one place are being continuously transferred to the to another, To meet that there had to be seats of war, with new men coming along some sort of Order, and I produced for for training. 1 take my hat off to the Air the Cabinet the Essential Work Order. I Force. They have done an amazing think I can claim that no one has found work. I have no doubt that, as the an alternative to it, although I have tried mechanical expansion of the Army takes in discussions with industry to see whether place, we shall find, when the Committee anything else could be devised. Its maje has inquired into it, a very similar result. purpose was to tie people to their jobs and When I am asked, Why are you letting put transfer on an orderly basis, Another these people in? " two things have to be object of it was to say to the citizen, You done with this labour force. You not are not tied, as it were, to another citizen, only have to have the men to fight, but you are tied to a responsibility to the you have to have the men to keep them State." The Committee must make up its on the road and keep them intact, which mind on it. The criticism of this Order means 50 much when the fighting takes has largely been on the ground that I have place. Then there are the women on these not restored the system of the old leaving vital Services. I cannot give the figures, certificate in the hands of the employer. but it runs into thousands. They also I have had to have regard to the last have to come out of the reserves of war. After all, 1 went through all the women-power for industry. disputes at that time. The right hon. If there is one thing that this nation has Member for Carnarvon Boroughs (Mr. had a tremendous dividend upon, which Lloyd George) and the hon. Member for has revealed itself in the training for in- Dumbarton Burghs (Mr. Kirkwood) will dustry and the training that has taken remember that the leaving certificate pro- place in the Services, it is the great educa- duced the most bitter trouble on the Clyde tiona) system of the country for the last and the right hon. Gentleman had to go 30 or 40 years, Although far too many of down and address the men and virtually these people, far more than ever ought to make it inoperative, It is no good be allowed again, passed into non-pro- making orders we cannot enforce. ductive occupation, and have had to be With that experience, I tried, in the taken back out of non-productive occupa- good old British way, to ride a middle tion into this productive effort, the ability. course, and to say, " If 1 tin the man to the agility and the marvellous way in the job, I give him security, but, on the which they have adapted themselves in other hand, 1 expect him to observe CCI- learning their work is a tribute to the tain obligations," I do not think that basic educational value of the teaching that is an unreasonable position I ward that they have received in our elementary to assure the Committee that the Order and secondary schools. Without it, this is working extremely well. Applications great labour force could never have been are coming forward from industry after built up: The second thing one had to do industry to be brought under the Order was to look at the immediate short-term so that they can get stability. It has not policy, which was to transfer people from merely secured the retention of people in place to place as speedily as one could. industries but it has given the Ministry of That led to a great deal of improvisation, Labour and the Production Executive a and I have no doubt it was the basis of chance to know how many people are TO- a good deal of the critícism We could tained, and it makes the discovery of not stop to put a long-term policy into superfluity of labour much easier. It is operation while we had the Dunkirk posi- said that the Order takes away discipline. tion and the Battle of Britain facing 03. The best industries in this country do not Therefore, there was o good deal of rely upon sacking to impose discipline Regraded Unclassifie Supply: Committee 29 JULY 1941 -Production 1309 1370 We do pot often sack politicians to get is a great difficulty in building up super- discipline. Possibly I shall in time dis- vision, getting managers, foremen, cost- cover the reason. but I do not know it at ings clerks and so on. In that respect the the moment. Highly developed industries handicap has been terrific. Such people in this country have introduced appeal cannot be created in a moment, Oppor- boards and the like. I introduced the tunities have been provided at the tech- system into London transport before the nical schools, and 1 ask employers to last war, in the days when the passenger release their men to take advantage of was always right-although it was dis- these new opportunities. To do 50 will covered he was often wrong-and it has pay them a thousandfold. 1 should like worked admirably. We reduced dis- to see management become a profession missals in the transport industry to below I would like to see the old barriers broken 2 per cent. down. so that when a good trade unionist who has the confidence of his fellows in All that is needed is that industry shall industry is to be promoted, he will not work the system. Trade unionists should not confine themselves to making critical be told that he has to leave his society. specius at their conferences, many of That places men in a terrible difficulty. which I have tested and found not to be I would make a suggestion which would well founded. For years they have cried, help us for the rest of the war. I would Give us more power of control, give us ask employers not to raise a barrier. Tell more power and responsibility." I would such a man, if you like, that he must not reply, Do not shy at it now that it is take part in his trade union activities, but in your hands." But the exercise of do not place him in the position of choos- power and responsibility means taking ing whether he will be disloyal to his pals unpleasant decisions as well as pleasant or render service to you. Remember ones. Il you are going to share power that the man who has come upwards from and responsibility for discipline in indus- being a shop steward to taking responsi- try, it means not only telling a fellow that bility has an urge within him for a place he is a good chap: sometimes it means in the sun and for taking responsibility sacking him. That both sides should in industry. If industry is wise, It will shy-off working this Order shows a little exploit that urge and develop it. and so touch of the inferiority complex, and I break down the barriers between the would beg both the unions and the management and the operative side in employers to face up to the position. Here this country. Indeed, if that is done, a is a foundation on which to work, even victory will have been won not only for though it has been introduced as an Order the war period, but for the rehabilitation in war-time. I wish I had had the ad- ot industry after the war and for avoiding vantage of it at the end of the last war many of the troubles that we might other- to assist in securing stability instead of the wise have to face. 1 urge that there chare which existed when peace came should be a new and enlightened about. I seriously orge that this Order approach to these problems of manage- should not be treated as though it were ment in order to make an effective con- something of no value. I believe that it tribution to our effort at this moment. is of great industrial value and can be a I have been asked about the concen- complement to the new developments in industrial relationships which have come tration of industry. I will send my hon. into being in the last few years. Friend figures which will correct the im- pression which he has obtained, but it is May I now say IL word at the risk of too late to-night to quote any of them. being told that sometimes I lecture I will try to show what has been done in employers? They lectured me for years, that respect. There again, a new spirit lectured me so often that I knew what is coming. I will cite an example of one they were going to say before I asked for great firm from which about 2,000 young the increase, But, joking apart, 1 want women can be released. Discussion took more attention paid to management up place between the firm and my divisional to works management level, or we shall controller. and the firm is going to carry fall behind. We have had criticism about on until I am ready to take those young handling this sudden development of women one by one, two by two or by Governmental activity-the hon. Member dozens, and transfer them in non orderly for Kidderminster was quite right-there way. That is a great. patriotic and wise Regraded Unclassified Supply: Committee HOUSE OF COMMONS Production 1371 137 Mr. Bevin. to me, that the policy that has heen thing to do. The employer in that great applied to labour in this country during establishment says, For the rest of the this war. with great care and design, has war I will retain every woman who is produced general satisfaction among the not of the correct physical standard for people of Britain, It has brought 40 your tactories, and I will take everyone amazing response in feeling and con. who falls (II and finds that she cannot fidence from the working masses of the carry through. I will carry on the best United States, and has represented lio I can. and I will give you the best of mean contribution to shaping public my staff for your great factories." Let opinion there, which is reflected in their that spirit and example imbue others attitude towards this country, It has throughout the country. In another meant a great deal to the Russian masses, case, a firm saw the men, who were needed and has countered the belief in their minds to return to the mines, gave them a that this was an Imperialist war, It has gratuity and wished them well. It told brought hope to millions in Europe, who, them that if they were not wanted, they seeing the approach we have made to could come back again. It is not only industrial problems during this last year, the Ministry of Labour that can do this see that we are not merely fighting to transferring. I want to get a co-opera- overthrow Hitler, but that Britain is going tive will between employers and every- to take her place again in the vanguard body in the country, to facilitate the work of social and economic progress; that we of the officials of my Ministry, of whom are striving not merely to preserve the State has a right to be proud. The liberty, but to utilise all that it means to officials of the Ministry of Labour have lay the foundation of a more just age in made no mean contribution to the war the upward progress of civilisation. That effort and to the handling of the tremen- is the great thing which has emerged from dous task which the Government impose this struggle and which has inspired OUT upon ns. inner workings. We declare that we will If I might summarise, I would put the carry on to the bitter end to remove the matter in a lew simple words. I conceived Nazi regime and its spirit of aggression it my duty to keep the following objec- and domination: we will weave into the tives in mind: the complete organisation fabric of society the spirit of freedom and of labour for the service of the State: equality for all. Where we have to give, transference of labour on a short-term we will give generously: where we have to policy to meet immediate needs; building- win, we will win and make our victory up of reserves by registration and other- secure for future generations to enjoy. wise for a long-term policy. I would say to the hon. Member for Kidderminster Mr. Austin Hopkinson (Mossley): I that 1 want to have more than a 25 per think it is rather unfortunate that when cent, capacity in the kitty all the time, this Debate was originated a fortnight ago, 50 that when the last emergencies have to it was held to be out of order to discuso be met, there is a last reserve of produc- any questions of labour in connection with tion to carry them through. Therefore, 1 production. However, that embargo has want to keep that registration in reserve, now been removed, and I should like the in advance of the defence and productive Committee to bear in mind that we in Par- plans, so as to avoid waiting for supplies. liament are not concerned with the family I want to establish such conditions of em- or follies of individual firms or of indivi- ployment as will give a sense of justice, dual workmen. I think, if I may say give remove grievances and prevent disputes, that far too much attention has been paid I want to prevent labour turnover, and during this Debate to that side of the to provide the most effective methods of question, which does not really concern transfer, to establish arbitration for the Parliament. What concerns Parliament settlement of differences, and to devise are Ministers' fanits, and those troubles in such conditions as will preserve the morale industry and failures of production which of our people and see this conflict have been due in any way to mistakes on through. the part of the Ministers concerned. in All that is based on the conception that the previous Debate I endeavoured to this war is a people's war. I believe, and point out that the last Minister of Airmaft I know from the information that comes Production had made certain very grave Supply= Committee 29 JULY 1941 -Production 1373 1374 mistakes, mistakes in many cases inherited Mr. Hopkinson: 1 have no wish to con- from his predecessors, and by giving an tinue this topic. There were various example of one omission on their part, I other points of the labour situation which Was able to get a promise from the new I wish to bring to the notice of the Com- Minister that it should be made good, I mittee with a view to getting them put noter to the setting-up of a technical corps right. From the very start the A.E.U. in order to control the design of aircraft. has been mishandled by successive When we came to the question of Governments. To go right back to the labour, which. admittedly-because it is summer of 1938, when times were be no like shutting our eyes to the fact-is coming critical, it will be remembered in Il most unsatisfactory state in this coun- that the then Prime Minister sent for the try at the present time, it was ruled out heads of the T.U.C., and told them of order. I began to put forward a view candidly the state of affairs and asked for which it was impossible to enlarge upon their assistance. But the heads of the owing En that Ruling of the Chair. What A.E.U. were told to see the Minister for upset the Minister of Labour was my the Co-ordination of Defence. Everyone quoting something which had been said to who understands the A.E.U. knows that me by an official of the A.E.U., who the A.E.U. and the T.U.C. have been at remarked that there was a certain feeling loggerheads from time immemorial. Tak- against unskilled labourers. That I ing the T.U.C. to the Prime Minister and described as snobbery, for snobbery it is, the A.E.U. to the Minister for the Co- although I justified it to some extent as ordination of Defence, started the whole being based on pride in craftsmanship. thing wrong. That is the sort of thing There was a great cry from above the we are entitled to criticise the Govern- Gangway- ment for doing. In the case of the Minister of Labour himself-and I am Mr. A. Bevan (Ebbw Vale): The hon sorry to see he is not here-members of Member did not call it snobbishness then. the A.E.U. criticise bim personally Mr. Hopkinson: T did, and if the Com- and his actions in the past, mitten insist upon it, I will quote my particularly his actions in respect of the actual words. I said: A.E.U. The A.E.U. know that the right hon. Gentleman has been a notorious was unwise to put in charge of the whole tabour force of this country a man who, poacher, and, therefore, he is not persona the craftsmen say, is only an unskilled grate with the A.E.U. The opinion of Intenurer after all. Members may think that the A.E.U. ought to be regarded in these the staftsman is a snob. So he is, but there days, for they are the key to the whole is something mure than snobbery in his re- sentment at being dominated by the unskilled situation. I hope I have made it clear Interner Pride in craftsmanship may be that what I wanted to put forward to the allied to smobbery, but it is one of the most Committee, and what I now put forward, Valuable Chinges we have got in this country." is simply what a certain number of per- - Oremal REPORT. 9th July, 1941; col. 241, Vol. 1731 fectly faithful and experienced trade unionists are saying. I do not presume Mr. Bevan: You did not yourself des- to say whether they are right or not: but, tribe it as snobbishness. as a matter of practical politics. it is de- Mr. Hopkinson: I said that the man sirable that the views of a very important class in the country should be put before was 0. snob. What more the hon. Mem- the Committee and before the Govern- ber wants than that, I do not know. ment. Mr. Bevan: You did not say that. To refer to the speech of the right hon. Mr. Hopkinson: When hon. Members Gentleman, there was one passage on state what is not quite correct, and will which I think 1 can correct him from ex- not be convinced when they get the actual perience. That was where he said that quotation, I cannot do more. I said- the discipline of sacking' was unneces- Members mob." may think that the craftsman sary in industry. There. of course, he was just talking nonsense. The Commit- I added-" So he (s." tee knows that for the last 15 years the whole of the profits of my firm have gone before Mr. Bevan: You did not say that to the men I employ. But if the discipline that can be imposed by sacking could not Regraded Unclassified Supply: Committee HOUSE OF COMMONS -Production 1,375 12%) [Mr. Hopkinson.] Hitler uses propaganda as a very powerho have beeu used to normal circumstances. weapon, and we must forge a stronger there would never have been any profits weapon than his if We are to evercome for the men to take. That sort of talk his propaganda, Our propaganda lacks does immense harm. The Essential Work vision and imagination. This is to Order, as other Members have said, is ordinary war; it is a war between good wrecking the discipline of industry. and evil, between the Cross and the Everyone knows that, in the engineering Swastika. The occupied countries of trade particularly. the majority of the Europe were not beaten 80 much on the men are trustworthy. But, of course, AS field of battle or in the field of produce in every other section, not even excepting tion; they were defeated morally, and the the War Cabinet itself, there are people reason why the Russians are doing to whom you cannot trust, and without dis- valiantly now is because Hitler has not cipline you get nothing out of them. been able to break their morale. What is so futile in these Debates is for hon. Members above the gangway to get The Chairman: That does not arise out up and talk as if there were nobody on of the Vote before the Committee to-day. an income of less than £10,000 a year who was deficient in industry or in patrio- Sir W. Smithers: We must do all BY tism. There are just as many loafers in can to mtaintain the morale of our people the lower ranks of industry as at the very and so get maximum production. To per top-and [ cannot say worse than that. it at the lowest, do the people of the I shall go on as I am doing if, after country realise that if we lose this war mature consideration. I come to the con- there will be no wages and no trade unione clusion that there are Ministers of the and that we shall all be slaves? Crown who are really a danger to the country in its present position. In that Mr. Maxton (Glasgow, Bridgeton): And case, I shall never scruple to get up here. no Stock Exchange. no matter what sort of row is kicked up above the Gangway, and endeavour to get Sir W. Smithers: Think of the effect on those Ministers replaced by people who morale of the V campaign, which has will not wreck industry, as the Minister been electrical in its of Labour is doing to-day. The Chairman: I am sorry, but I must Sir Waldron Smithers (Chislehurst): 1 remind the hon, Member that that is odt- know it is unpopular to speak at this late side to-day's Vote. hour, but I have been here all day, and there is one point I wish to make. It is Sir W. Smithers: Then I will say (s) a point which has hardly been mentioned more, except that I am sorry it is not all through the Debate, but I was de- recognised that the maintenance of the lighted to hear the Minister, in that fine morale of our people has the biggest effect peroration, talking about assisting the on the production of armaments. morale of the people. The hon. Member for Chester-le-Street (Mr. Lawson) gave Motion made, and Question, 'That the a remarkable example of team spirit when Chairman do report Progress, and usk he described how he once rode in a gun leave to sit again," put, and agreed to.- team. Unless we mobilise and unite [Mr. Grimston.] spiritual and moral forces with the same Committee report Progress, to sit again faith and vision as we are mobilising the Navy, the Air Force, the Army and in- upon the next Sitting Day. dustry, we shall be fighting with one hand - tied behind our back. Did hon. Members hear Mr. Harry Hopkins in his brilliant The remaining Orders were read, and broadcast on Sunday night? After de- postponed. scribing all the material articles sent to this country, he added a remarkable sentence. He said: It being after the hour appointed for the The biggest job the President has done Adjournment of the House, Mr. DEPUTT has been to alter the industrial state of mind. SPEAKER adjourned the House, without It is the mind we have that makes the people Question put, pursuant to the Standing we are." Order, Regraded Unclassified