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This file includes comments on Ronald Reagan and also on the nominations of Clement Haynsworth and G. Harrold Carswell to the Supreme Court.

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The original documents are located in Box 2, folder "Schweiker, Richard - Interview, 1/17/78" of the A. James Reichley Interview Transcripts at the Gerald R. Ford Presidential Library. Copyright Notice The copyright law of the United States (Title 17, United States Code) governs the making of photocopies or other reproductions of copyrighted material. A. James Reichley donated to the United States of America his copyrights in all of his unpublished writings in National Archives collections. Works prepared by U.S. Government employees as part of their official duties are in the public domain. The copyrights to materials written by other individuals or organizations are presumed to remain with them. If you think any of the information displayed in the PDF is subject to a valid copyright claim, please contact the Gerald R. Ford Presidential Library. Interview with Senator Richard Schwiker, Jan 17, 1978. Schweiker says that President Nixon had some able people around him and GREALD FORD LIBRARY that his initial perceptions of the Nixon administration were pretty good. Schweiker says that Nixon appointed some able people to middle-management N positions. He thinks that where the Nixon group went astray astray was in developing the enemies syndrome they felt that if you did not vote with them 5ray on a particular issue ) then you were their enemyx they could not see the XI point of staying XX close to people who might oppose them on one issue but then would be able to support them on a nother issue. The administration seemed to develop a kind of paranoia, Schweiker says. They developed a system of retribution against all who they felt were not their total supporters, toward all those who could not go with them 100 percent of the time At (develop Mod. XI the beginning of the administration, the Nixon people did try to ? some ties Rebs, to the progressive and moderate Republicans, Schweiker said it looked as though there was going tobe an effort to work together the vote on the M ABM was what tore the relationship initially Schweiker thinks that it may never have recovered from that. He recalls that he and Senator Cook, ABM wen Senator Saxbe, and Senator Mathias ran against the administrationon the ABM and the White House never seemed toforgive them for that. This same group was not able tosupport Nixon on the Vietnam War, on the Cambodia incursion. ) and each time W one of these problems came up they were driven further and further apart the White House's attitude seemed to be designed to push them further to the other side. Schweiker recalled at the beginning of the administration, Haldeman and meet Exxxx Ehrlichman came to XX with the socalled Wednesday Group of progressive Republican senators but there was no real communiation between them. Schweiker had the feeling that this group was not given a high priority in the concerns of the White House leaders. Haldeman and Ehrlichman were very bitter with the group when they were not able to support the administrationon ABM. The White House kept a scorecard on how senators voted, XX with or against the - 2 i FORD administration, Schweiker said. those that did not have a high score were LIBRARY regarded as persona non grata in the White House. Schweiker says that in retrospect does not feel that his position against the ABM was mistaken, that fter all this was the first thing they gave away in the course of the SALT Thar ABM negotiations SO Schweiker's view could not have been so valuable in the first place. Now Schweiker realizes that Nixon treated the ABM as a bargaining ship, but he says that he does not see developoing a weapon system on that basis. Hainsworry The failure of the progressives to support the nominations of Kinswor th and Carswell to the Supreme Court was another source of bitter division between sup. cr. the White House and the moderate Republicans and progressive Republicans. After M the fight xt over the Supreme Court nominations Schweiker says it really did not seem possible to put back together the relationship. The situation Schweiker feels I was still retrievable at that time but the White House made no real effort to rebuild the relationship. says Schweiker that when Ford first came in as President he felt that it Fors was a great breath of fresh air that he was almost euphoric in his attitude toward the new administration, but then Ford pardoned Nixon and that him like a ton of bricks. Up to the pardon he felt that Ford was being positive news Pavdon and constructive but when he heard of the pardon while he was out on the campaign trail in West Moreland County in Pennsylvania he couldn't believe the news of the pardon when he heard, he was upset it t was a body blow to him. doubred After that he always that Ford would able tobe elected as President. He thought the pardon had done terrible damage to Ford's candicacy also it made him question Ford's judgment. Schweiker's decision to join with Ronald Reagen against Ford was not based so much on diferences of philosophy but more out of belief that Ford could not win. Schweiker said that he thought that Ford's ultimate defeat in the general election was based on the pardon more than on anything else. Ford's blunder about Eastern Europe and in the foreign policy debate was also damaging to him but that this was retrievable whereas the pardon stuck with him. - 3 - Schweiker said that from the time of the pardon on, he had serious doubts about Ford's electability but people did not notice thatvery much. He recalled in the FORD & GERALD LIBRARY early part of 1976 that Hugh Scott had circulated a petition among the Republican senators to support Ford ad and Schweiker had not signed it. Schweiker said that he began to develop concern that Ford lacked political sensitivity. Schweiker said that his alliance with Reagon was more complicated simply than his concern about Ford X he also thought it was necessary for the future of the Republican party Renan to unite the Eastern and the Western wings. He said there has always been a double standard in American politics by which the Democrats are not judgev/badly for ( figure uniting their northern and southern wings brining together such apparently incompatable as Roosevelt and John Garner. or Kennedy and Johnson. No one condemns them for putting the party together, even bringing together people as different as Senator Eastland and Senator Kennedy. And Schweiker said that he felt X it was necessary for the Republicans to begin doing the same thing, to form a new coalition. although he did not hink think that he and Reagon were nearly as far apart as the different sides of the x Democratic party. If the Republican party is going to win, Schweiker says, he thinks it is necessary to bring together the west and the northeast. Ford on the other hand once he had got the nomination for president picked Senator Dole who Ford comes from essentially the same part of the country that comes from. Looking toward 1980, Schweiker says that he stills feelsxt that the key is to bring the east and the west together. Reagen, Schweiker regards as a pragmatic conservative, and he feels at home with that approach himself. Schweiker said that as early as February of 1976 he had pointed out that the federal budget was getting out of hand that lany of the Great Society programs for which he had voted were no longer working they were not solving problems these programs were flops in many on cases, Schweiker said. It is for this reason that he has taken some of the sacred COWS of the liberal establishment. Schweiker said that it took guts for him to take on Nixon and it also takes guts for him to take on the liberal establishment. For instance, he has come out in favor of the youth deferential on - 4 - the minimum wage which is one of the liberal sacred cows, Schweiker says. Schweiker says on one hand he rejects the XX totally federalized approach to all the nation's problems but at the same time he rejects the total laissez-faire approach. That where the liberals are right in such areas as education and health that he continues to support them but in areas such as the creation of public service jobs he takes the approach that it would be better to des develop morejobs in the private sector. Schweiker feels there is a new conservativism growing within the XXXX country and he identifies with for that. He thinks its program recommends revitalization of the private sector. As far as federal programs go Schweiker says, he gives two tests to any federal program; first, will it work? and second, if it is effective ) is it wxx worth the price of contributing further to inflation? FORD & LIBRARY GERALD