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File scanned from the National Security Adviser's Memoranda of Conversation Collection at the Gerald R. Ford Presidential Library
MEMORANDUM
THE WHITE HOUSE
DECLASSIFIED
SECRET/NODIS/XGDS
WASHINGTON
E.O. 12958 Sec. 3.6
MR04-08 3/30/04
MEMORANDUM OF CONVERSATION
dal
NARA,
Date
12/20/04
PARTICIPANTS:
Dr. Henry A. Kissinger, Secretary of State
and Assistant to the President for National
Security Affairs
Major General Brent Scowcroft, Deputy Assistant
to the President for National Security Affairs
Admiral Thomas H. Moorer, USN, Chairman,
Joint Chiefs of Staff
DATE & TIME:
Friday, September 14, 1973
FORD
5:30 p.m.
&
PLACE:
Dr. Kissinger's Office
GERALD
LIBRARY
The White House
SUBJECT:
State/JCS Relations
Kissinger: We've got to redo the whole personnel system. They are
unbelieveable. You talk to them about a job and they say they don't want
it. Can you imagine a colonel doing that?
Moorer: Not unless they want to retire.
On military-political relationships. For the first time, we have the
opportunity for synchronizing military and foreign policy. We must get
State over the idea that military force is bad and the natural enemy of
diplomacy. It must be planned at the highest level. Start ideas at the
top and let them filter down rather than from the bottom up.
Kissinger: We should have a weekly meeting with Scowcroft, Moorer,
Schlesinger, Colby and me. I will talk NSC business.
Moorer: What are our priorities? To live in safety, maintain our standard
of living, take care of our friends -- if they don't rock the boat -- and
contribute towards the millenium -- modestly. Even be nice to psuedo-
friends if it serves our interest.
CLASSIFIED BY Henry A. Kissinger
EXEMPT FROM GENERAL DECLASSIFICATION
SECRET/NODIS/XGDS
SCHEDULE OF ENECUTIVE ORDER 11552
EXEMPTION CATEGORY
5 (B) (3)
AUTOMATICALLY DECLASSIFIED ON Imp to Det.
SECRET/NODIS/XGDS
- 2 -
The military can help you if we accompany you on some trips. This
can convey a good message.
Kissinger: If I go to the Soviet Union and take you, the Chinese may fear
we are having staff talks.
How about the NATO Ministerial meeting?
Moorer: I'll be along.
Kissinger: That's a good idea. We will consider it every time I make
a trip.
Moorer: We can collect intelligence. We would plan carefully. We
could have liaison with you. Eagleburger could be it. We could put a
senior military man with you. Sy Weiss and Tom Pickering wouldn't like
it. We could assign him on the NSC with his duty at State.
Kissinger: We should reinstitute the one here. We could assign him here
but give him a desk at State also.
I will not tolerate an institutional confrontation between State and the JCS.
We won't say anything until after my confirmation. Give me a top man.
The CNO mentioned Shanahan.
Moorer: ACDA is heading the MBFR backstopping group. It is a bad idea
psychologically with our allies.
Kissinger: Ikle is pretty tough.
Moorer: It's not a matter of personality; it just looks like a focus on
disarmament.
Kissinger: I'll talk to Rumsfeld.
Moorer: There is Southcom and our military presence in Latin America.
The President two years ago said the Southcom should be strong and he
wanted more military in Latin America. The nature of the Southcom is
purely its political value.
Kissinger: Southcom will stay.
Moorer: Forces in Thailand.
SEGRET/NODIS/XGDS
GERALD LIBRARY a FORD
SECRET/NODIS/XGDS
- 3 -
Kissinger: I would stay until the dry season and if nothing happens then,
go down to 32, 000. You should go slow.
Moorer: A Naval Attache in Tunisia. State objects.
Kissinger: Consider it done unless there is a massive problem we don't
know about.
Moorer: Law of the Sea. We need to hang on the 12-mile territorial
sea and freedom of straits.
Kissinger: That is our policy. We will insist.
Moorer: The JCS is up at the UN. Scali said he wanted to do away with it.
Kissinger: I will take care of it when I am in.
George Meany is all out for a big defense budget. If you could give him
the data, he could lobby strongly for us.
Moorer: I'll take care of it.
Kissinger: We'll plan on a weekly breakfast.
SECRET/NODIS/XGDS
GERALD A. FORD LIBRARY
NATIONAL ARCHIVES AND RECORDS ADMINISTRATION
Presidential Libraries Withdrawal Sheet
2
WITHDRAWAL ID 018588
REASON FOR WITHDRAWAL
ÇNational security restriction
TYPE OF MATERIAL
ÇNote
DESCRIPTION
Brent Scowcroft's handwritten notes of
Kissinger and Moorer meeting
CREATION DATE
09/14/1973
VOLUME
3 pages
COLLECTION/SERIES/FOLDER ID
031400062
COLLECTION TITLE
National Security Adviser. Memoranda of
Conversations
BOX NUMBER
2
FOLDER TITLE
September 14, 1973 - Kissinger, Moorer
DATE WITHDRAWN
08/19/2004
WITHDRAWING ARCHIVIST
GG