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    "ocrText": "File scanned from the National Security Adviser's Memoranda of Conversation Collection at the Gerald R. Ford Presidential Library\nMEMORANDUM\nTHE WHITE HOUSE\nWASHINGTON\nDECLASSIFIED\nE.O. 12958 Sec. 3.6\nSEGREF/NODIS/XGDS\nMR 01-38 # 7; CIAIM 11/30/01\nMEMORANDUM OF CONVERSATION\ndol Date 2/6/02\nPARTICIPANTS:\nPresident Ford\nDr. Henry A. Kissinger, Secretary of State\nand Assistant to the President for National\nSecurity Affairs\nLt. General Brent Scowcroft, Deputy Assistant\nto the President for National Security Affairs\nDATE AND TIME:\nTuesday, February 25, 1975;\n10:22 - 11:10 a. m.\nPLACE:\nThe Oval Office\nThe White House\nKissinger: Simon publicly attacked the floor price.\nPresident: I talked with him yesterday and there was no disagreement.\nKissinger: He uses the floor price in a technical sense. The Economist\nhad an editorial praising our statesmanship.\nPresident: We met yesterday. I said we have agreement on this. I\nwill call him before I leave.\nKissinger: I had a good Congressional breakfast. I think I shook them-\nbut you get a good reaction from them and then nothing happens.\nCederberg asks if you will call Caughlin. What I say is, do you want to\nbe the ones who cut off Cambodia from the arms it needs to fight?\nI made headway on Vietnam.\nI will be asked on this Simon price. Can I say we talked and the agreed\npolicy is to protect prices -- by whatever means?\nPresident: By all means. And hit Cambodia hard.\n[Caughlin calls]\nSECREF/NODIS/XGDS\nCLASSIFIED BY: HENEY A -\nA. KISSINGER (3)\nSEGRET/NODIS/XGDS\n- 2 -\nPresident: He says he will do his best -- I know what that means.\nKissinger: We have a chance on Vietnam, but I doubt it on Cambodia.\nPresident: That's a helluva way to get Vietnam, by losing Cambodia.\nKissinger: What we are doing to ourselves -- like Portugal. I don't\ndare do anything.\nPresident: I think we should.\nKissinger: Okay, let's vote the Portuguese program. I guess a half-\nhearted program is better than none.\nPresident: Let's do it.\nHow about Brademas?\nKissinger: He is unbelievable. They are twisting and turning. He said\nwe are urging the Turks to be tough and we are not putting pressure\non them. I said \"You have an embargo on them, what more can we do?\"\nI showed him how flexible the Greeks are becoming and they were\nsurprised. The cutoff has had the paradoxical effect of putting pressure\non the Greeks.\nThey said \"We had seven months of negotiations with aid; give us seven\nmonths of a cutoff--if it doesn't work, we will change.\"\nPresident: What does Dinitz say?\nKissinger: He says he tried, but there is a story around that we pressured\nhim to talk to Rosenthal. I will have to tell the press that at the leadership\nmeeting it was decided that we should make Jewish leaders aware of the\ndangerous situation being created in the Middle East.\nPresident: I think you have to do that.\nKissinger: I think we could get real movement on Cyprus if we could\nlift the embargo.\nPresident: If we could get Pastore, it would help.\nSECRET/NODIS/XGDS\nSEGRET/NODIS/XGDS\n- 3 -\nKissinger: We have him privately, but he has lots of crazy Greeks.\nThe KGB went through Victor Louis to Jackson for direct contact. He\nmade a sharp attack on Dobrynin and said he was totally discredited.\nVictor Louis is an agent who acts as a journalist and they use him\nfor floating ideas.\nThe KGB is fairly independent of the Foreign Minister. Now there\nis another report that Brezhnev gambled and lost on the trade bill,\nplaying into the hands of Suslov and others who are saying \"I told\nyou so.\"\nJackson then went to Dinitz to ask his opinion about going to the Soviet\nUnion as Louis suggested. An unbelievable sympton of our times --\nthat a senior Senator would do this rather than coming to the President\nor Secretary of State.\nPresident: Then this character Stevenson is trying to justify his action\non the trade bill.\nKissinger: But I think the public will turn on them. I don't think the\npeople are ready for this.\nPresident: I think we have to keep it up. I think we have to keep on\nthis back and we will get the support of the people. We are going to\nplay the course right down the middle.\nKissinger: If you can get the domestic situation under control, the\npeople will flock to you.\nOn the Los Angeles speech -- on Panama I would just say the treaty\nneeds modernizing.\nOn Cuba -- it is a matter of the OAS vote.\nOn corporations in third countries, they should follow the laws of the\ncountry where they're domiciled.\nPresident: But we must be firm that our policy change would come only\nfrom a change in Cuban policy.\nKissinger: We are in an intolerable situation on American corporations.\nSECRET/NODIS/XGDS\nSEGRET/NODIS/XGDS\n- 4 -\nPresident: I noticed the headline on the 250 mile limit. It wasn't\npicked up.\nKissinger: Do you have a problem with it ?\nScowcroft: The only problem is political. What will it do with the\nThurmonds?\nPresident: That's my concern. The people who welcome it won't\nhelp us and the ones who help, it will hurt.\nKissinger: We have been doing it on a case-by-case basis, and\nthe danger is that we will fritter it away piece by piece under\npressure. Let's discuss this on Thursday or Friday.\nSECRET/NODIS/XGDS\nCSM\n4 Report on zivity of Bradings -t. May sought\nGet phone vote on Partugod\nP/K 25 Feb 25\nTuesday\n10:32-11:10AM\nK Sinn publicy attachid fem piece.\nP disapellynt Cathest of him yesterday and the was no\nK He uses in a ashmol sensi Ecammist had\nprising am\nP\nWe met yesterday. I sinitral have aprelment on this\nInst call his base I lime.\nK I had good Cm, hearport. I think I shork them-bot\nyour get good ua tros from them r them nothing\nhappens. Eldonberg ashs if you will call Complete entilf\nwhat I sorry is do n an wonth be c ones who paint Ind\nCanbodin form ammo it rules tx fight, I made\nbeaken on Senter Vistron\nI smill be ashed on this Sinn press. Cand say\nwe talked and world policy is to protect price-by\nwhatever means.\nP By as weres. and hit Custotia hard.\n( Coughtin calls).\nP He samp he will his last- them what that whomo\nK We have a a chamen VIV, but Idmit it m Cumbratics\nP Helleron way to get VN, by lary Cambradive\nK what wear dury transitre- like ddn't\ndone & onything\nP I think we should\nR OK, lits noth . Postryuse flog. I years a half hereby\nprrg is better then none\nP Lets do it,\nHome about Brachers\nK They and tristing rturing He and am\nare enging - Turhs To he through 8 and not puthing\npursent on them, I said you have endiary one\nHam, what more can we do. I showed then how\nDECLASSIFIED\nE.O. 12958 Sec. 3.6\nMR 01-41;# 3; . etr 11/30/01\nBy dal NARA, Date 2/6/02\nJaikson\nflaxible c aven and becoming & they when surposed.\nThe evtry has hold evidprial effect of and\npritting pressured on c breks.\nThey said we had Z months of wyot w/and; give no\nhis fa entry if it duesn't wesh, we will change\nP what don't Dinty say?\nK Her ago he tind, but there a story around that we\npossumed lim to telh to have Sind hometo we\npress that oncle at laboly unty it was direct that ind\nshould tat finsh Rentral anone ofc daysem\nsit bring created in c ME.\nP I this you home to do that\nK I think we cuuld get real month typens pm of\ncould bpt e anlargo.\nP of he cauld get Postore, ween it would help\nR we have him privately, hit he has lats of essay Gucles.\nThe KGB went then Viter heris to + did know per dont\nhi total discredited.\nentact. made a shay attack on Dolymn # (Desirite)\nLamis). 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Spehn On Painam I would just pay L trunty\nweeds sharking\nOn Cuhn - OAS Vate\n- on compution in Ind Countries, they should\nfollown laws of, divided country.\nP Birt we must he fine that am policy change would\ncount only pm Cutone shough.\nK we in soluti it on Phen\nPg instrict bradine an 250 mile time. It mornt\npribed up.\nK Doys have a proven w/it?\nS Octy- put is political, what civil it Is w/\nP That my concern. The people who whome it wait\nhelp us + C ones who hilp it will hurt.\nK we harblen dring it on case hycros, and c danger\nis that we will futter it away price my picke\nwulk pressure. hats choices on T my definity.\nOne & told"
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