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File scanned from the National Security Adviser's Memoranda of Conversation Collection at the Gerald R. Ford Presidential Library
NATIONAL ARCHIVES AND RECORDS ADMINISTRATION
Presidential Libraries Withdrawal Sheet
WITHDRAWAL ID 018076
REASON FOR WITHDRAWAL
National security restriction
TYPE OF MATERIAL
Memorandum of Conversation
TITLE
Ford, Schlesinger, General Brown
CREATION DATE
08/09/1975
VOLUME
4 pages
COLLECTION/SERIES/FOLDER ID
031400644
COLLECTION TITLE
National Security Adviser. Memoranda of
Conversations
BOX NUMBER
14
FOLDER TITLE
August 9, 1975 - Ford, Schlesinger,
General Brown
DATE WITHDRAWN
06/01/2004
WITHDRAWING ARCHIVIST
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MEMORANDUM
THE WHITE HOUSE
WASHINGTON
DECLASSIFIED E.O. 12958 SEC. 3.6
SECRET/NODIS/XGDS
WITH PORTIONS EXEMPTED
E.O. 12958 SEC. 1.5
MR 08-91, #31; OSD etc 10/24/08
MEMORANDUM OF CONVERSATION
BY dal NARA DATE 3/10/09
PARTICIPANTS:
President Ford
Dr. James R. Schlesinger, Secretary of Defense
Gen. George S. Brown, Chairman,
Joint Chiefs of Staff
Lt. Gen. Brent Scowcroft, Deputy Assistant
to the President for National Security Affairs
DATE AND TIME:
Saturday, August 9, 1975
PLACE:
The Oval Office
The White House
SUBJECTS:
Soviet Grain;
in Turkey; Personnel; Budget
Secretary Schlesinger: You have much leverage with Brezhnev on grain.
They feed about 100 million tons to livestock. They will have to slaughter
a lot of them.
The President: Yes, I know. The astronauts told us about the brown
Soviet fields.
Secretary Schlesinger: It is worse than '72. If they come in surrep-
titiously, you are in for a domestic political surprise.
The President: Without going into detail, I think we have taken adequate
precautions.
Secretary Schlesinger: I was going to recommend an Export Security
Board. It's a departure from free enterprise, but it protects you. Or,
REFURN
require announcement of intent to purchase. This would pr event them
from coming in low and buying quietly, leaving the subsequent higher
prices for the American consumer.
CLASSIFIED BY
Henry A. Kissinger
EXEMPT FROM GENERAL DECLASSIFICATION
SECRET/NODIS/XGDS
SCHEDULE OF EXECUTIVE ORDER 11652
EXEMPTION CATEGORY 5 (B) (1, 3)
AUTOMATICALLY DECL 'SS'FUED ON Imp. to det.
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The President: We are very aware of the problem and I think it is under
control.
Secretary Schlesinger: My main point today is to insure that you know
about the situation in
Turkey -- and it applies
generally. The situation is that we have a sma 11 guard, and general
security responsibility belongs to the host. It hasn't been a problem and
shouldn't be unless Turkey decides to do something.
The President: It was a problem befor e. Pastore briefed me on it.
What is your appraisal?
Secretary Schlesinger:
You are responsible for the rules of engagement and the
de jure custody. We have drafted a cable to U.S. SACEUR. It would not
require forcible resistance, but if an attempt was made to physicallv
1 It does not apply to
though.
If
we would not fight but go to the
Government of Turkey and say we are sure it is a mistake and get them
out. This would avoid a nasty incident and them seizing all the areas or
taking other drastic actions.
Gen. Brown: My concerns about this is that when Turkey took over, a
couple of Turks wandered into these areas. Right now the U.S. commander
(a Captain or Major ), if he can't communicate, has the discretion to start
shooting. I would modify these unless it was an obvious raid with the
intent to
when his current instructions would apply.
Schlesinger: The present procedures have the approval of the Joint
Committee. Any change will hav e to go past Pastore.
The President: I have a suspicion that some of the Congress would use this
as an excuse to get
Sec. Schlesinger: We can't get the
without their agreement.
Gen. Brown: We have joint instructions with Turkey for destruction, etc.
The President: Let me think it over at least 24 hours.
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Secretary Schlesinger: The U.S. can't afford to let anyone
impunity.
A worst case -- worse than our having to
would be to allow
to be
left in the hands of locals.
Gen. Brown: So far they have acted very responsibly.
The President: This directive would apply only to Turkey.
Gen. Brown: Yes. We would change nothing except the contingency where
the local commander exceeded his authority and it would take time to sort
out.
Secretary Schlesinger:
Gen. Brown: At
there is much activity; he can get help. He can
talk to other people, etc. I am not concerned about
like I am
about the isolated bases.
The President: We need to get the Turkish aid situation straightened
out. Incidentally, I am shocked to see 60 A-7s were sent to Greece.
Secretary Schlesinger: State was fully involved. They felt the impact
on the Greeks of turning it off would outweight that on the Turks.
The President: I was amazed and had I known I would have stopped it.
If I were a Turk I would have been furious. I can't imagine howI was
not informed.
[General Brown leaves].
Secretary Schlesinger: On Schedule C appointments, your political
people still seem to think it is the place to tuck away deserving people.
And that they want to clear them here.
The President: My recollection is we wanted notification with the right
veto. I am not aware we have crammed anyone down your throat. That is
the way I think it should be done.
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Secretary Schlesinger: Good.
On the budget, he sent guidelines for $8 billion in the budget
and $5 billion in outlays.
The President: I brought this up with Lynn. They said they weren't
in contradiction to the five-year growth, but it looked that way to me.
I said to talk to you.
Secretary Schlesinger: The '76 plan is $116 billion in obligational authority
and $104 billion in outlay. We will have the budget review in the fall.
That is fine.
The President: The five-year projection must be adjusted based on what
the Congress does to the '76 budget.
Secretary Schlesinger: Yes.
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UNITED GERALD
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Presidential Libraries Withdrawal Sheet
WITHDRAWAL ID 018077
REASON FOR WITHDRAWAL
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TYPE OF MATERIAL
Note
DESCRIPTION
Brent Scowcroft's handwritten notes for
memcon
CREATION DATE
08/09/1975
VOLUME
3 pages
COLLECTION/SERIES/FOLDER ID
031400644
COLLECTION TITLE
National Security Adviser. Memoranda of
Conversations
BOX NUMBER
14
FOLDER TITLE
August 9, 1975 - Ford, Schlesinger,
General Brown
DATE WITHDRAWN
06/01/2004
WITHDRAWING ARCHIVIST
GG