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File scanned from the National Security Adviser's Memoranda of Conversation Collection at the Gerald R. Ford Presidential Library
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MEMORANDUM
THE WHITE HOUSE
WASHINGTON
SECRET/NODIS/XGDS
MEMOR ANDUM OF CONVERSATION
PARTICIPANTS:
President Ford
Dr. Henry A. Kissinger, Secretary of State
and Assistant to the President
for National Security Affairs
Dr. James T. Lynn, Director, OMB
Donald G. Ogilvie, Associate Director
for National Security & International Affairs, OMB
Lt. Gen. Brent Scowcroft, Deputy Assistant
to the President for National Security Affairs
DATE AND TIME:
Tuesday, October 28, 1975
PLACE:
The Oval Office
RALA GERALD LERRARY 8)
The White House
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The President: The Hill is in favor of a high aid budget -- so they can cut
it and complain about our helping the world and not the U.S.
We have a real problem when I tell Defense and the others that they
have to cut and aid isn't being cut.
Lynn: If you don't leave out Indochina, Henry's figures don't look bad, but
they have pocketed that.
A rough cut at a budget increase of the Kissinger figures are an
outlay of $2. 1 billion in '76 and $2. 7 in '77. OMB would go $1. 8 to $2. 0.
The increase percentage would be higher than almost any other area.
Kissinger: And the biggest area for saving is the Middle East. And in
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that it is the Israeli item of MAP forgiveness. That is not really a foreign
policy issue, but you will face massive problems domestically.
AUTHORITY NSC Guidelims
Lynn: I am immensely sympathetic with Henry's position, but you should
know how it would look.
BY
Deeper cuts would have to be made elsewhere. Henry A. Kissinger
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The President: Did we promise the Israelis?
Kissinger: No. But you know what they are assuming -- the same as in
'73. It isn't a foreign policy decision.
The President: I am willing to take the heat by going to 50-50. Everyone
else has had to take a cut and the Israelis should also.
Kissinger: We should not reduce the Egyptian portion. That would really
have foreign policy consequences.
The President: I agree. I am afraid that Congress may cut it, but we
shouldn't.
[There is a discussion of programs country by country. Korea
was confirmed, and Indonesia; Philippines went up to $5 million foreign
military sales (FMS); Malaysia to $15 million. ]
Lynn: Yemen is a problem. This is a new MAP recipient, in the face
of Congressional demands to release and eliminate MAP.
Kissinger: It is a small program. The Saudis are doing most of it and
they want an earnest of our support. [No decision was made. On Ethiopia,
it was decided to give 11. 7; the same as last year. ]
The President: On Greece and Turkey: Here is where the hair gets short.
[They discussed the options]
Kissinger: Let me check what we have told the Greeks. If it isn't locked
in concrete, I am prepared to cut the MAP and increase FMS. Maybe 75
MAP and 130 in FMS covers in Greece.
The President: The transition quarter.
Kissinger: I will go along with OMB.
[There was further discussion of Yemen. ]
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better Than 1.5 MAP.
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