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File scanned from the National Security Adviser's Memoranda of Conversation Collection at the Gerald R. Ford Presidential Library
MEMORANDUM
THE WHITE HOUSE
WASHINGTON
UNCLASSIFIED
MEMORANDUM OF CONVERSATION
PARTICIPANTS:
President Ford
Carl Albert, Speaker of the House of
Representatives
Lt. Gen. Brent Scowcroft, Deputy Assistant
to the President for National Security Affairs.
Darrel St. Claire (Hill Strffer
Michael Reed (Hill Staffer)
Howard Yourman, (Hill Staffer)
Israel Yeshayahu, Speaker of the Knesset
Menahem Begin, Leader of the Likud Opposition
Ari Ankorion, Labour
Yitzhak Ben-Aharon, Labour
Mrs. Haika Grossman-Orkin, Mapam
Josef Warhaftig, N.R.P.
Amb. Simcha Dinitz, Israeli Ambassador to
the United States
Zvi Rafiah, Counselor, Embassy of Israel
Shmuel Jacobsen (Secretary to the delegation)
Dov Kedem (Interpreter)
DATE AND TIME
Tuesday - November 11, 1975
10:04 - 10:45 am
PLACE:
The Oval Office
E.O. 12958, SEC. 3.5
MEMO, 11/24/98, GUIDELINES stativiews3/11/04
[The meeting began with presentation of a Hanukah Menorah to the President. ]
NARA. DATE 6/4/04
The President: Let me welcome you to the White House. I have a deep
respectfor parliamentary bodies. I spent 25 years in the House with
Speaker Albert, and these were among the most challenging years of my
lofe. I understand that your delegation comprises many points of view in
DECLASSIFIED
NSC STATE DEPT.
the Knesset. The Speaker and I were on opposite sides of many issues,
but when it came to fundamental issues of national security we were as one.
I sense it is the same with you.
UNCLASSIFIED
BY
GERALD
CLASSIFIED while
UNCLASSIFIED
-2-
Tothe extent that the United States can be helpful in the Middle
East we are dedicated to that end, though it in the end depends on the
parties themselves. I believe the Sinai agreement was a good agree-
ment, and we are determined to continue the progress we made and
make further progress. We ar e dedicated to the survival and security
of Israel, and that won't change. As you know, I submitted a bill for $2. 3
billion to the Congress for aid to Israel. I would like to hear from you,
unless the Speaker has something.
Speaker Albert: You have spent much time together exchanging ideas.
I gave a lunch for them.
Yeshayahu: It is a great honor for us to be received by you, Mr. President.
We represent all the parties in the Knesset and we are grateful to you for
making your valuable time available to us.
We are a nation which has suffered many tribulations over the years,
and no people has a greater yearning for peace. You are the President of
a great, courageous and generous people. Fate has placed you at the
head of a country which is the hope of freedom-loving people everywhere,
including the Jewish people. The establishment of the State Of Israel after
World War II and after the killing of six million Jews was an unprecedented
act, delivering over a million Jews from bondage. I am one of those.
Israel is now a refuge for people fleeing the Soviet Union and other Communist
oppression.
The Knesset and the Israeli people send greeting to you, Mr. President,
and would be delighted for you to visit Israel. We would like you to see how
we are building a state much like the American people did 200 years ago.
There are a number of problems I would like to bring to your attention,
particularly in light of the UN resolution on Zionism. We appreciate
your words and those of your representatives against that resolution
vilifying the State of Israel. The Israeli people continue to stand firm
in defense of our country, and we count on your help, as in the past.
President Sadat stated here that he was interested in peace and presented
moderate views, and yet he made other statements attacking Zionism and
Israel and its people. His representatives at the UN joined in the attack
against us. The identification of Egypt with the process at the UN coupled
with the tremendous arms that Egypt is securing from many sources, both
East and West, plus his statements, do not appear to us as a presumption
for that peace we are looking for.
UNCLASSIFIED
GERALD
UNCLASSIFIED
-3-
We have recently taken on ourselves the greatest of risks; we began
the process of withdrawing from areas we previously held, and giving
up oil fields, in the hope that this would contribute to the process of peace.
We shall judge the President of Egypt not only by his statements, but also
by his deeds.
Permit me to bestow on you the blessing from the book of Samuel --
peace be upon you.
The President: Thank you very much. I am grateful for your invitation
to visit Israel. I have never been to Israel. I hope to come there -- the
sooner the better. But right now there are a number of problems for me
to deal with here. But it is important to visit the Middle East as soon as
possible, of course, including Israel.
Begin: Mr. President, we are the victims of a great human phenomenon.
Jews in the Soviet Union were oppressed for 60 years after the Bolshevik
Revolution. I saw it. After the Six-Day War there was a great awakening
of Jewish people wanting to come to Israel. They came in increasing
numbers, but as you know, those numbers have been decreasing recently.
There are more than 3 million Jews in the Soviet Union. They are being
persecuted in many ways. These tragedies go on day after day. It is our
plea that you ask Brezhnev to let them go. We are convinced that your
intercession will help. Please do something. Especially, there are 40
people now in concentration camps [he hands the President a list of name s],
which we ask you to send personally to Brezhnev. We are very grateful
for your understanding on this issue.
The President: We will see what we can do to be helpful. I am very sorry
to see that emigration has fallen off from 35, 000 in 1973, to about 12,000
now. There were some circumstances which intervened. In the problem
over U.S. - Soviet trade arrangements, there was a drop in numbers per-
mitted to leave. We will do what we can to help. One way might be to seek
a modification of the Trade Act.
Member of the Delegation: The vast majority of the Knesset and of the
Israeli people have followed you in the step-by-step process. We now
feel we have come to a kind of standstill. The quest for an overall
solution has never presented itself. We would like to know that the
United States will work with Israel for a joint strategy in the quest for
peace. I would ask and suggest whether you will initiate such talks to
cooperate with our country?
UNCLASSIFIED
GERALD
UNCLASSIFIED
-4-
The President: We have such close talks and communications with your
leaders. Prime Minister Rabin has been here twice and he will come again
soon. There must be an overall approach to peace. We will work with
your government in that. There are msny problems, but a standstill is not
the answer. You can be most assured that this government will work with
yours and all others to that end.
Warhaftig: [Reads passage from the Bible in connection with the UN vote].
The President: You are familiar, I am sure, with the statements that
ha ve been made by me, by Secretary Kissinger, and by our UN repre-
sentative. There is unan imity on this. I am sorry we lost the key vote
by only two votes.
It was very nice to have had you here.
UNCLASSIFIED
THE PRESIDENT HAS SEEN
November 1975
THE PRISONERS OF ZION IN USSR
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Anatoly Altman
6/70
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10/73
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6/70
15
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4
11
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Aleksandr Slinin
6/74
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Yakov Suslensky
2/70
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11
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