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File scanned from the National Security Adviser's Memoranda of Conversation Collection at the Gerald R. Ford Presidential Library
MEMORANDUM
THE WHITE HOUSE
WASHINGTON
SECRET/NODIS/XGDS
MEMORANDUM OF CONVERSATION
PARTICIPANTS:
President Ford
Dr. Henry A. Kissinger, Secretary of State
Brent Scowcroft, Assistant to the President
for National Security Affairs
DATE AND TIME:
Friday, August 13, 1976
PLACE:
The Oval Office
President: I met a real politician from the Vatican - - Cardinal Pignatelli.
Cardinal Krol said he is a real candidate for Pope. What do you have?
Kissinger: I plan to go to the Convention only Thursday.
President: That's fine. I am going to Vail Friday but we'll have a
chance to talk.
Kissinger: Is there anything you want me to do?
President: Let's wait until I get there and see.
NSC MEMO, 11/24/90, STATE STATE DEPT. GUIDELINES Statileview 3/13/04
[There is discussion of Secretary Kissinger's flying problems.
He will come on Friday on the C-135.]
E.O. 12959, SEC. 3.5
NARA DATE 7/29/04
Kissinger: [Discussed the Olson appointment.
There are two problems -- Sy Weiss and the IRS. I'll put him
in if you wish, but these are the problems. If you would agree to
DECLASSIFIED
another Caribbean post. [Discussed the Dominican Republic and Haiti. ]
President: That's okay. I just have to place him. Did you see this
piece in the Christian Science Monitor? [He hands it to Secretary
Kissinger. ] [Mentioned the PDB on dismantling.
LIBRAR
BY
CLASSIFIED BY BRENT SCOWCROFT
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EXEMPT FROM GENERAL DECLASSIFICATION
SCHEDULE OF EXECUTIVE ORDER 11652
EXEMPTION CATEGORY 5 (b) (1,3)
AUTOMATICALLY DECLASSIFIED ON Imp. to det.
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2.
Kissinger: This is another example of our problem. Brent says
this PDB item bears no relation to what his reconnaissance says.
Scowcroft: The word I have is that all the agencies agree there is
compliance and the exceptions are insignificant.
Kissinger: I talked Africa with the British. It is obvious they are
playing their own game for short-term gains. They want to get Smith
out and don't care what happens after. I don't mind that, but if we
can't get something for it, I would just as soon let them go to hell on
their own. We also have indications that Tanzania may be falling off.
My proposal is to send Schaufele and Rogers to Tanzania and
Zambia to give them the outline of the plan. Then I would meet with
Vorster. At a minimum we could deal with Namibia. The British
have their own game there, too. They want to scrap the convention
for SWAPO. If we can't sell Namibia, I think we may have to veto it
in the United Nations. I just don't think we can go further.
If Rhodesia breaks down, it will be because the blacks want to
drive the whites out, and allow them any guarantees. I don't think we
should be part of such a plan.
President: Does the British plan have guarantees?
Kissinger: Yes. The key will be whether the blacks will accept
guarantees rather than kicking the whites out. Our scheme for Namibia
was originally proposed by Nyerere, but they may want more now.
President: That was our plan before and I think we should stick with it.
What will the Soviets and Cubans do?
Kissinger: I think it would be like this Monitor article says -- they are
playing in Mozambique and Tanzania.
President: I think we should go ahead.
Kissinger: In Iran, I don't think we realize what our domestic politics
do to these people. This Humphrey [Senate subcommittee] report was
a disaster. We have no better friend than the Shah. He is absolutely
supportive.
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3.
President: What is Humphrey doing?
Kissinger: He now feels badly. But he has Ellsworth's former staff
assistant who did the study and Bob is anti-Iranian. Then the Jews
want to stop arms to the Middle East and there is an anti-arms sale
binge on the Hill.
[Pitch about getting the Government in shape after November. ]
I had to take Bhutto on on the non-proliferation issue. It was too
bad to do that to him, but if we didn't take a stand, it would get out of
control. Actually it should be good for you for me to have been tough
on it.
Don [Rumsfield] is planning to testify before Jackson on the 24th.
I think it would be bad.
President: I completely agree. Why does he have to do it now?
Scowcroft: Jackson has been pressuring him. But he didn't indicate to
me he couldn't get out of it. Henry has refused for a year.
President: I don't think he should do it.
Kissinger: I am going to the Law of the Sea Conference tomorrow. It
is a real mess -- but not because of our delegation. It's the deep sea
bed. We have a position which no one else will support. If we can get
it, fine, but we may have to change. It is the same problem -- Treasury
wants free enterprise, but it's questionable whether private enterprise
would go out there without guarantees. You don't need to decide now.
[He discusses the proposals we are fighting.
President: Is that the only issue?
Kissinger: No. There is the economic zone, scientific research, and
voting for the seabed authority. Tomorrow I just am going up to see
what is going on.
I am also meeting with the Greek and Turkish Foreign Ministers.
That is a disaster. The Greeks are claiming most of the Aegean and
the Turks are challenging it.
[More discussion]
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4.
President: When will this come up in the UN?
Kissinger: It's under discussion now. The problem is a vote next week.
President: I hope there are no Greek uncommitted delegates. [ Laughter]
I see you visited our old friend the Dutchman.
Kissinger: They head the EC now. Den Uyl was all sweetness and light.
He wanted our imprimatur.
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