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    "ocrText": "- SECURITY INFORMATION\nthat Ambassador Jooste had made a good argument in the plenary on the compe-\ntence issue but suggested that his weakest point was his insistence that it\nis impossible to say that friendly r elations among nations have been impaired.\nMinister Unden expressed the view that the UN is also competent to deal with this\nquestion both on the ground of the human rights provisions of the Charter and\non the ground that the policy followed is impairing friendly relations among\nnations. The GA's competence extends, in his view, to discussion of the issue\nand to passing a resolution referring generally to South Africa's obligations\nunder the Charter but falling short of recommending alteration of specific\nSouth African legislation. Minister Unden expressed the opinion that unlike\nthe French in North Africa, the South African Government unfortunately is al\nmost brutally insistent in pursuing a policy of discrimination which runs\ncounter to the general obligations of the Charter.\n40 In response to the Secretary's question for interpretation of Stalin's\narticle in the Bolshevik Magasine and the recent Party Congress, Minister Unden\nventured only the opinion that he saw no real change in Soviet policy He\nagreed with the Secretary's remark that it was significant that in all the\nrecent statements emanating from the U.S.S.R. there is no hint or apparent ac-\nknowledgment of the existence of any international tension or the desirability\nof improving relations with other countries. Minister Unden, referring to the\nSwedish plane incidents, suggested that it secmed of some significance that it\nwas Beria and not a Foreign Office representative who was the spokesman of the\ngovernment on this matter. This tends to show that the Soviets regard this as\na police matter in whose hands the protection of the border has been placed,\nand not a matter of foreign policy. Indeed, he doubted that the Foreign Office\neven knew about the incidents until some time after they took place. He stated\nthat the first plane shot down was some 45 miles from Soviet territorial waters\nand that the Soviet attack was unquestionably deliberate and designed. The\nplane carried telegraph equipment and operators and he supposed the Soviets\nmight have thought that it was trying to test their signal systems or carry out\nsome sort of reconneissance The second plane was much closer to the 12-mile\nlimit, though still in international waters, and he thought the possibility\nexists that the Soviets made an honest mistake as to its location, although he\ndid agree that the Soviet concept of the extent of their territorial waters was\nquite elastic.\n5. Foreign Minister Unden stated he hopes to remain at the GA for at\nleast another two weeks.\nDECLASSIFIED\nE. O. 11652, Sec. 3(E) and 5(D) or (E)\nDept. of State letter 10-26-74\nBx NLT- HU NARS Date 11.29.76\nWPAllen:br\nSECURITY INFORMATION"
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