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OCR Page 1 of 14-12/12/53 - Reel 3, Track 2, page 14
to come up and say "some dam fool is wasting a hundred million dollars"
I mean that isn't -- the Congressman gets a response when he says that.
And indeed I think it's very hard to devise a pattern in government in
which you don't ask Congress to bear part of this responsibility.
Mr. Acheson:
May we clear away several different things here and see to what extent we
disagree. One area of Congressional encroachment "on the powers of the
President are in the exercise of the clear powers of the President out of
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which there is no question whatever. Now that battle has go on for 175 years
and it will go on for as long as the Republic exists. It must be fought
vigorously and the President, if we are going to get what we ought to get
out of the government, must win, and he must never weaken on that proposition
at all. And this is the sort of thing that in Bob Taft's last speech in
the Great Debate he says "no divisions should be committed to an international
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army until an agreement is reached with other countries of the Atlantic Pact
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and the agreement has been approved by the Congress." That is, we've got
us
to have a new treaty now approved by the Congress. "Then we can thrash out
the question of limiting the numbers of troops we provide, again by the
Congress." Now there is a direct, clear, absolute encroachment on the
powers of the President, and that had to be fought against, and that had
to be won. We do not have to have another treaty after the North Atlantic
Treaty to decide how many divisions are going to be in Europe. That power
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is supposed to b/p with the President. And when the Congress says "We are
going to éxercise it," the President has got to fight against that, he's
got to win that fight. Now this goes on all the time. That's one area.
Now the XK other area is the one that Mac was talking about where he rightly
said that whefe you get money into foreign affairs-and he could have added
where you have to have continual legislation in foreign affairSgas well as
money--the Congress enters the picture and becomes a very vital factor, and
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