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1 3/14/54: Reel 2, Track 1, , Page 3 MR. ACHESON: What George says about the inapplicability of all prior consideration of our prisoners is dramatically brought out in the discussions in the United Nations, to which we will come in a minute in a little more detail. But the thing which I remember with such vividness about that was the maddening urreality of the whole discussion. Vishinsky's whole view, which was a quite logical view and ably presented, was that under these earlier treaties including one--the last-Geneva Treaty, prisoners of war remain soldiers under military discipline and with military rank and in military formation, entitled to the treatment of their opposite numbers in the ranks of the capturing power. And, being soldiers, when the fighting was over and an armistice occurred, they were returned as soldiers, as people subject to military discipline, and they were tryable for all offenses, military and otherwise, under military law, etc., etc. This he argued. Now the madden- ing thing about this was that neither the Russians nor the Chinese nor the North Koreans had observed a single clause in any one of these treaties. TONAL HIVES for a Yet they argued against us these documents which they did not accept. And ACORDS all the neutrals sat around wisely nodding their heads when Vishinsky made ADMING very true a point and said: "Ah, very wi se,/indeed; Mr. Vishinsky, that is an able point. " And you had a feeling that you were in a mad house arguing with crazy people. MR. KENNAN : : That is simply symbolic of the attitude that the Soviet leaders had taken since 1917 toward the Western democracies--that we will hold you to your own standards of chivalry and liberality when it serves our purpose but we will not recognize them ourselves. You see it fits right in with the whole political front. MR. ACHESON: Now this brings me to the last point here, which is the discussions and debates in the UN in October and November, 1952; and I talk about these a little late, because they have--two very interesting points come out of this discussion. One of them is the difficulty that you have when there

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