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    "ocrText": "CONTID\name 106 -\nMR. HEROD: I would be inclined to say that the leader-\nship seems to me to have an increasing cognizance of the\nmutuality of interests, but, as you drop from the leadership\ndown to the masses, I would say it is noticeable how the\nconsciousness decreases and that the masses as a whole have\nvery, very little recognition or aspirations toward regional\ndirection.\nKIZER: I suggest that if w.e are to have the region-\nal bact in that area, it should be on a rather broad basis\nrather than a narrow one, that Australia and New Zealand,\nwhich have a keen interest in Asia, should be included in\nit along with India, Pakistan and the Southeastern countries.\nI suggest further that it should sheer away as much as possi-\nble from any military assistance and be placed squarely upon\n8. study of their economic situation as to what they can do\nto heln each other and what in turn we can do to help them.\nIf we follow out pretty much the Marshall Plan in that\nrespect and keep away from the military aspects of the it-\nlantic union, I think we will go much farther and to\n: ARCHIVES **NATIONAL SERVICE* RECORDS AND\nrob that sort of association of its unpleasant Yankee im-\nperlalistic aspects. In that field we must look for leader-\nship. I am not sure that we have yet found the leader, al-\nthough I have uggested earlier that India at least for the\ntime might be that leader. But I think Australia has a very\nkeen interest in that area and would help very greatly.\nOur\nexperience with the Australians that came into China with\nUNRRA was that they were some of the best people we had, and\nthey came because of the extreme interest of the Australian\npeople in the Far East. I know they are eager to work in\nthat context. with that sort of a broad union, looking to\na solution of the economic problems which press so greatly,\nparticularly the food problems, I think we might give en-\ncouragement. I feel there has been such a complete bank-\nruptoy of military essistance in that area that to the\ngreatest degree we should sheer away from that.\nJIR. HOLCOMBE: It seems to me that a regional pact de-\nrives much of its value from the relations between its mem-\nbers and that for the best results those Pelstionships\nshould be the relationships that can be established among\nmembers who are not too unequal in strongth and political\nexperience. Applying that test, there are very great\ndifferences between the conditions under which the Atlantic\nPact was negotiated and the conditions under which any\nPacific pact might be negotiated. It seems to me that we\nwould run the risk of being misunderstood if we should\nattemot to negotiate a Pacifie pact without explaining very\ncarefully that we had something quite else in mind than we\nhad when ve negotiated the Atlantic Pact. I think Kizer\nhas"
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