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B. O. 11652, Sec. 3(E) and 5(D)
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Dept. of State letter, Amp
DE NU HC , NARS Dut 7-20-76
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DOCUMENT F
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Memorandum of Luncheon Conversation among
President Roosevelt, Prime Minister Churchill
and Marshal Stalin
November 30, 1943, 1:30 p:m.
For the next part of the luncheon the conversa-
tion was general, until the PRIME MINISTZR asked
Marshal Stalin whether he had read the proposed
communiqué on the Far East of the Cairo conference.
MARSHAL STALIN replied that he had and that
although he could make no commitments he thoroughly
approved the communiqué and all its contents. He
said it was right that Korea should be independent,
and that Manchuria, Formosa and the Pescadores
Islands should be returned to China. He added,
however, that the Chinese must be made to fight,
which they had not thus far done.
THE PRIME MINISTER and THE PRESIDENT expressed
agreement with Marshal Stalin's views.
After some discussion of the great size of
the Soviet Union, during which Marshal Stalin
admitted frankly that had Russia not had at her
disposal such E vast territory the Germans would
have probably won the victory, the Prime Minister
said that he felt that such a large land mass as
Russia desèrved the access to warm water ports.
He said that the question would of course form
part of the peece settlement, and he observed
that it could be settled agreeably and as between
friends.
MARSHAL STALIN replied that at the proper
time that guestion could be discussed, but that
since l'r. Churchill had raised the question he
would like to inquire as to the regime of the
Dardanelles. He said that since England no longer
objected, it would be well to relax that regime.
THE PRIME MINISTER replied that England:
had now no objections to Russia's access to warm
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