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VIII. What contacts have you had with CRISMAN since 1968? By phone? (who phoned whom?) By mail? (same). By intermediary? (details). . By visit (who visited whom? Place. Reason. Subject of discussion. Details?) Have you received any assignments or things to do from him since then? (Or from anyone else?) Any remuneration? (How much?) How frequently? What for?) What was the first "church" for which you became a "minister"? (Whose idea? Who told you how to get your creden- tials? What was the reason?) What subsequent "churches" did you purport to become a "minister" or"bishop" for? (Same follow up questions) What "church" was FERRIE a "priest" for? What "church" did CRISMAN represent? What "church" does he represent now? What was their apparent reason for these phoney religious convictions? - 11 -

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