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    "ocrText": "Mr. LIEBELER. Now before you ran into Clay Bertrand in the street on this\nMr. ANDREWS. Yes.\nday, did you havea notion in your mind what he looked like?\nMr. LAEBELER. They usually go around in pairs?\nMr. ANDREWS. I had seen him before one time to recognize him.\nMr. ANDREWS. Well, they work in teams, so he's got to have been there.\nMr. LIEBELER. When you saw him that day, he appeared to you as he had\nMr. LIEBELER. Now Kennedy came and visited you at the hospital; is that\nbefore when you recognized him?\ncorrect?\nMr. ANDREWS. Ile hasn't changed any appearance, I don't think. Maybe a\nMr. ANDREWS. Right.\nlittle fatter, maybe a little skinnier.\nMr. LIEBELER.\nMr. LIEBELER. Now I have a rather lengthy report of an interview that Mr.\nMr. ANDREWS. I remember that pretty good because T called the Feebees, and\nKennedy had with you on December 5, 1903, in which he reports you as stating\nthe guy says to put the phone, you know, and nothing happened.\nthat you had a mental picture of Clay Bertrand as being approximately G feet\nMr. LIEBELER. The Feebees?\n1 inch to G feet 2 inches in height, brown hair, and well dressed.\nMr. ANDREWS. That's what we call the Federal guys. All of a sudden, like\nMr. ANDREWS. Yes.\na big hurricane, here they come.\nMr. LIEBELER. Now this description is different, at least in terms of height of\nMr. LIEBELEIL Do you remember telling him at that time that you thought\nthe man, than the one you have just given us of Clay Bertrand.\nthat Clay Bertrand had come into the office with Oswald when Oswald had been\nMr. ANDREWS. But, you know, I don't play Boy Scouts and measure them.\nin the office earlier last spring?\nI have only seen this fellow twice in my life. I don't think there is that much\nMr. ANDREWS. No; don't remember.\nin the description. There may be somo to some artist, but to me, there isn't\nMr. LIEBELER. Was Bertrand ever in the office with Oswald?\nthat much difference. Might be for you all.\nMr. ANDREWS. Not that I remember.\nMr. LIEBELER. I think you said he was 5 feet 8 inches before.\nMr. LIEBELER. Do you have a picture in your mind of this Clay Bertrand?\nMr. ANDREWS. Well, I can't give you any better because this time I was look-\nMr. ANDREWS. Oh, I ran up on that rat about G weeks ago and he spooked, ran\ning for the fellow, he was sitting down. I am just estimating. You meet\na\nin the street. I would have beat him with a chain if I had caught him.\nguy 2 years ago, you meet him, period.\nMr. LIEBELED Let me ask you this: When I was down hore in April, before\nMr. LIEBELER. Which time was he sitting down?\nI talked to you about this thing, and I was going to take your deposition at\nMr. ANDREWS. Ile was standing up first time.\nthat time, but we didn't make arrangements, in your continuing discussions with\nMr. LAEBELER. I thought you met him on the street the second time when\nthe FBI, you finally came to the conclusion that Clay Bertrand was a figment\nof your imagination?\nMr. ANDREWS. No, he was in a barroom.\nMr. ANDEEWS. That's what the Feebees put on. I know that the two Feebees\nMr. LIEBELER. Ile was sitting in a bar when you saw him 6 weeks ago?\nare going to put these people on the street looking, and I can't find the guy,\nMr. ANDREWS. A table at the right-hand side. I go there every now and\nand I am not going to tie up all the agents on something that isn't that solid.\nthen spooking for him.\nI told them, \"Write what you want, that I am nuts. I don't care.\" They were\nMr. LIEBELER. What's the name of the bar you saw him in that day, do you\nremember?\nrunning on the time factor, and the hills were shook up plenty to get it, get\nit, get it. I couldn't give it to them. I have been playing cops and robbers\nMr. ANDREWS. Cosimo's, used to be. Little freaky joint.\nwith them. You can tell when the steam is on. They are on you like the\nMr. LIEBELER Well, now, if you didn't see him standing (up on that day--\nplague. They never leave. They are like cancer. Eternal.\nMr. ANDREWS. No.\nMr. That was the description of the situation?\nMr. LIEBELER. So that you didn't have any basis on which to change your\nMr. ANDREWS. It was my decision if they were to stay there. If I decide\nmental picture of this man in regard to his height from the first one that\nyou had?\nyes, they stay. If I decide no, they go. So I told them, \"Close your file and\nMr. ANDREWS. No.\ngo some place else.\" That's the real reason why it was done. I don't know\nwhat they wrote in the report, but that's the real reason.\nMr. LIEBELER. I am at a loss to understand why you told Agent Kennedy on\nMr. LIEBELER. Now subsequent to that time, however, you actually ran into\nDecember 5 that he was you have told us that he\nClay Bertrand in the street?\nwas 5 feet 8 when at time did you_see the man standing up.\nMr. ANDREWS. About 6 weeks ago. I am trying to think of the name of this\nMr. ANDREWS. Because, I guess, the first time-and I am guessing now-\nMr. LIEBELER. Is this fellow a homosexual, do you say?\nbar. That's where this raseal bums out. I was trying to get past him so\nI could get a nickel in the phone and call the Feebees or John Rice, but he\nMr. ANDREWS. Bisexual. What they call a swinging ent.\nsaw me and spooked and ran. I haven't seen him since.\nMr. LIEBELER. And you haven't seen him at any time since that day?\nMr. ANDREWS. I haven't seen him since.\nMr. LIEBELER. Did you talk to him that day\nMr. LIEBELER. Now have you had your office searched for any records relating\nMr. ANDREWS. No; if I would have got close enough to talk to him. I would\nto Clay Bertrand?\nhave grabbed him.\nMr. ANDREWS. Yes.\nMr. LIEMELER. What does this guy look like?\nMr. LIEBELER. Have you found anything?\nMr. ANDREWS. He is about 5 feet 8 inches. Got sandy hair, blue eyes, ruddy\nMr. ANDREWS. No; nothing.\ncomplexion. Must weigh about 165, 170, 175. He really took off, that rascal.\nMr. LIEBELER. Has this fellow Bertrand sent you business in the past?\nMr. He recognized you?\nMr. ANDREWS. Prior to--I guess the last time would be February of 1963.\nMr. ANDREWS. He had to because if he would have let me get to that phone\nMr. LIEBELER. And mostly he refers, I think you said, these gay kids, is that\nand make the call, he would be in custody.\nright?\nMr. LIEDELER. You wanted to get hold of this guy and make him available\nMr. ANDREWS. Right.\nto the FBI for interview, or Mr. Rice of the Secret Service?\nMr. LIEBELER. In discussing this matter with your private defective, Mr.\nMr. ANDREWS. What I wanted to do and should have done is crack him in\nDavis, and Miss Springer, your secretary, have you asked them whether or not\nthe head with a bottle, but I figured I would be a good, law-abiding citizen\nthey have any recollection of ever having seen Oswald in the oflice?\nand call them and let them grab him, but I made the biggest mistake of the\nMr. ANDREWS. Davis does; Springer doesn't.\ncentury. I should have grabbed him right there. I probably will never find\nMr. LIEBELER. Davis does have a recolicction?\nhim again. He has been bugging me ever since this happened."
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