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the policeman said it was. My husband
Mr. HUBERT. And you came to the conclusion, then, that Vito Genovese and
that group of people were involved in this matter.
Mrs. RICH. Within my own mind; yes. I thought-then I got thinking per-
'.
He had no right carrying it. He had
haps the higher-up that the colonel spoke of was perhaps the element I did not
little old Nash Rambler station wagon of
want to deal with that was running the guns in, and God knows what else.
d my husband up my husband was stand-
Mr. HUBERT. Why didn't you report it to the authorities in the interval be-
there on the way out to Rayburn, brand-
tween the third meeting and the time you left Dallas?
g to kill somebody. He come to find out
Mrs. RICH. For the simple reason that I was hesitant about mentioning any-
I will never know to this day whether
thing about my husband's past. I did not know how much of what my husband
had told me was true. I did not know how much of that he knew before I knew it,
meeting did this happen?
or how deeply he was involved in anything. And quite frankly if my husband
he second and third meeting, if my time
was still alive, I would never have gone to the FBI.
Mr. HUBERT. But you already told us at the end of the second meeting you
ted?
had decided to tell the authorities.
en this Sy Victorson I mentioned earlier
Mrs. RICH. Not when I see that element there.
torney. Perhaps not too honest in some
Mr. HUBERT. But that element does not affect-----
ley. And he got my husband out of it.
Mrs. RICH. That element, if what my husband had told me was true, could
know to this day whether it was true.
have involved him a lot deeper than I suspected. And quite frankly I am not
stupid enough, shall we say, to believe if I ever went to the authorities and that
e between the second and third meeting,
element was involved that I would ever live to tell a second story. And if my
suppositions were true as to who the man's identity really is-a combination of
fear for myself and protecting my husband. And at that time I thought, I
meeting did you leave Dallas?
suppose many citizens do, well, let the next fellow do it, they will catch them
eventually. I chose to close my eyes.
'or leaving Dallas?
Mr. GRIFFIN. You still have the fear of that element?
that face I said to Bob, "We are getting
Mrs. RICH. No; I do not.
right now." That was about 5 o'clock
Mr. GRIFFIN. Why is that?
a U-Haul trailer and out.
Mrs. RICH. Well, since then I have become involved more extensively or
ame to the face at the third meeting.
intensively in police work-and I don't know-perhaps I have got some sense
iter.
in my head. I am just not. I was told to tell you this-by the way, I had
lans?
better bring it in now-I don't know if it has any direct result on this or not-
ag had fallen into place, because Ruby
but I was advised by Siveeny from the Secret Service and Mr. Fahety from
h from New York, Chicago, even from
the FBI to tell you of this. A week-
Mr. HUBERT. When did Mr. Sweeny and Mr. Fahety tell you what you are
about to tell us?
of them. I was asked to go out with
Mrs. Rich. Fahety said it on Monday-Sweeny said It on Monday.
Mr. HUBERT. Last Monday?
Mrs. RICH. Yesterday. And Fahety told me Friday.
the place where you were saying that
Mr. HUBERT. Where?
visited by certain people whose names
Mrs. RICH. On talked to-the FBI and the Secret Service,
respectively.
thile I worked for Ruby.
You did?
Mrs. RICH. Yes.
Mr. HUBERT. They called you,
fter the third meeting?
Mrs. RICH. Yes.
1 fact at the third meeting.
Mr. HUBERT. What did they tell you?
Mrs. RICH. Well, the FBI had called me to advise me of my receiving this
letter, because Kennett had called them. And Sweeny called me to advise me
n about this matter at all?
of my tickets and transportation.
vith the man.
Mr. GRIFFIN. Who called the FBI?
Dallas, you say, was that--
Mrs. RICH. Rod Kennett had opened the letter from you people. And at
not 'want to have any part of.
this time-
Mr. HUBERT. Tell us what they advised you.
Mrs. RICH. They advised me to tell you what I am about to tell you. A week
understood your testimony, that you
ago last Saturday night I got home about 10:30, my brother-in-law had a
third meeting, but not at any other,
stroke-
Mr. HUBERT. Let's get the date of that.
Mrs.
"guition, or you associated that man
Mr. of May.
HUBERT. RICH. That Last would Saturday be a was week the ago 30th--the last Saturday. 23d
because you had seen a pieture of
Mrs. Rich. I believe so.
Mr. HUBERT. All right.
Mrs. RICH. About 10:30 at night I got home. And some phone calls started.
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