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CIA later admitted that Shaw, had in fact, been connected to
the CIA. Ingram then asked Phelan for his comments on this.
Phelan stated that during the time period that Shaw was
allegedly connected to the CIA, the CIA was yearly debriefing
about 25,000 persons who had travelled in foreign countries.
Phelan stated that Shaw had merely been one of the many that
had been routinely debriefed because Shaw frequently
travelled to Central and South America.
Phelan then stated that assassination conspiracy buffs
always try to use any little piece of data to prove their
theories and that Shaw's routine debriefing by the CIA was
one of these little pieces of data that was blown out of
proportion by these persons. Phelan stated that persons
probably confused the word "contact" with "contract" when
talking about Shaw having had any "contacts" with the CIA.
Phelan then stated that former CIA agent Victor
Marchetti also fueled the assassination conspiracy theories
when Marchetti stated that he had attended meetings with
Helms, then the Director of the CIA, and that Helms had told
him that the CIA was doing what they could to help Shaw.
Phelan then was asked about the portions of the Warren
Commission that were under seal until well into the next
century. Phelan stated that the sealed files probably
contain unproved accusations against innocent persons as well
as statements from witnesses who only spoke on the condition
that their statements were kept confidential.
Phelan stated that he's heard that the 30 page sealed
file on David Ferrie probably contains allegations about
Ferrie's homosexual activity.
When Ingram asked Phelan if he thought, after
interviewing Shaw, that Shaw was homosexual, Phelan stated
that he had no first hand information to say one way or the
other and it appeared that Phelan felt uncomfortable being
asked this question. (Note: Phelan's Penthouse interview of
Shaw begins by stating, "Clay Shaw, a deep-chested
soft-spoken bachelor of 57. home city of New Orleans, where
he lives alone in a handsomely furnished little French
Quarter house on Dauphine Street, and has a broad circle of
friends, including playwright Tennessee Williams. " The rest
of the interview tends to show Shaw in a favorable light as
merely an innocent victim of D.A. Jim Garrison's criminal
prosecution.)
Ingram then asked Phelan what he knew about any
reporters who had assisted the CIA plant stories. Phelan
stated that there was no doubt that some reporters were used
by the CIA but that he had no first hand knowledge of this.
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