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the interview. He attempted to pump Ingram for information
about the reason for the investigation, about the identity of
Ingram's client and whether or not he was a target of an
investigation.
It appeared obvious to Ingram that Phelan had lied to
Ingram when he told Ingram that he had not furnished the
Hubbard transcript to the government. In addition, based on
the totality of the interview and the various documents
obtained via FOIA, it appeared to Ingram that the Saturday
Evening Post and some if its reporters, including James
Phelan, have willingly cooperated in secret
counterintelligence operations on behalf of government
agencies as far back as 1963.
In addition, it appears to Ingram that Phelan may have
knowingly been used by either the CIA or FBI to sabotage Jim
Garrison's criminal prosecution of Clay Shaw for conspiracy
to assassinate President Kennedy when he testified to his
conclusions about the credibility of Garrison's investigation
and to his conclusions about the truthfulness of Perry Russo,
Garrison's chief witness for the prosecution.
Just prior to Ingram terminating the interview, Phelan
asked Ingram on two seperate occasions if Ingram was "wired. "
Ingram told him that he wasn't wired. Phelan then told
Ingram that Ingram could probably tell that Ingram's
questions had made him very nervous because it was Phelan who
was then trying to ask the questions rather than Ingram.
Ingram asked Phelan how it felt to have someone turn a "soft
ball" interview of him into a "hard ball" interview, just
like he had done to Hubbard. Phelan got even more nervous.
Ingram then thanked Phelan, collected his document and left
the home.
END OF INTERVIEW DEBRIEF
EUGENE M. INGRAM
Private Investigator
INGRAM INVESTIGATIONS
California License Number PI9387
Mailing Address:
Post Office Box 291280
Los Angeles, California 90029-9280
Telephone (213) 666-5775
NW 12640 DocId:59167994 Page 112
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