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TELCON Dr. James Killian (was in Washington) Mr. Kissinger 4/23/69 6:50 p. m. HAK: I'm beginning to make a nuisance of myself, but it shows how much we value your counsel. Let me tell you what has happened since I last spoke to you. The Pres. and I reviewed the situation and it seemed to us that the best way to undo what had been done would be to go back to Frank Long and see if the thing could be rectified. Which we did, on the basis that this had been handled as a regular political appointment , and that as soon as the Pres. recognized the true facts of the National Science Foundation, he regretted it -- this is the exact truth. Frank Long feels, after long consideration, that he just cannot begin as a controversial appointment with a heavy Congressional load and very regretfully, HAK thinks, without any malice or ill-will, said he could not reconsider. But he indicated he would certainly be prepared to speak to a designee indicating he would be happy for him to take the position, and give him support. Killian: I salute thatx the President and yourself for having done this. I think this is an act of real understanding and courage. HAK: We aren't going to give this any publicity, but I think some of the people who have been very helpful and whose judgment we value should have this. Now the President is going to invite the Council of the Academy to meet with him and repeated that the Science Foundation should be independent. We have two choices. We can ask them to gether with the National Science Board to make three recommendations to us of which we will choose one -- this is one way of handling it. The other would be to go after Piore now, who has alre ady been approved by the NSB at one stage -- in fact, he was the first choice -- SO that we wouldn't be going out of channels. Which of these procedures would be the better one? Killian: I think the first one you mentioned would be better. I think you might wind up with Piore under those circumstances, but with much greater assurance that he would not react as Long did. HAK: I think the Pres. probably leans a little toward the other one just to get the thinkg over with. Killian: I think either course is all right. I think you will need the participation of some people whom Piore knows and feels easy with. I'm sure he would appear to go in under a cloud (??) Kissinger: Even if Long were to urge him to do it? Or if he were told he could call Long? Killian: It may work and you could certainly-- you wanted to follow that Reproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library DECLASSIFIED This document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.