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HAK/UnderSecState Richardson
23 Dec 69
4:45 PM
R: Henry, How are you? K: OK. We have had trouble getting
together. R: Yes. I have two things: follow-up of my brief
reference yesterday evening to Tran Ngoc Nguyen Chow (?).
He is a member of the Assembly. You know about it?
K: No.
R: In South Vietnam he has a brother who has been picked up in
Danang (? ) with the Viet Cong. The fact that his brother is a member
of the VC has been known for a long time. He is one of the
assemblymen that President Thieu has wanted to have stripped of
their immunities as a member on various charges, including
contacts with his brother. He reported all of these to our people
to Vann. K: Yes.
R: And Vann and Baumgardner, Cook, other people who know of
him, including Alex and Sullivan, all think he is a very good
fellow and are concerned that if Thieu pushes this it will knaxe have
very bad PR and political repercussions and we will be worried
by our own press. The question is whether or not to try to do
anything through the Embassy and to encourage them to lay off.
Have you any views on this?
K: I would think that in general the President's view is to leave
these things alone, but if it is a very flagrant case I suppose
we could point out to them what the price is.
R: All of us here -- it is strictly secondhand as far as I am concerned.
The people I have talked to are genuinely concerned. I should add
this in fairness to Vann. He had been told by Bunker nototo havec
any further contact with Chow, and he has not had. I asked him
about Chow but I was very clear on the point that it could do quite
a lot of political damage if this were pushed, but it is illustrative
of the sensitivity of it. K: Yes. Why don't we give our views to
Bunker and tell him at his discretion he can do it.
R: All right. I will ask Sullivan to write a cable which will be
cleared over there anyway.
R: [continuing]: Item 2 is a Christmas truce in Nigeria. I under-
stand Morris has been interested in this. We have been trying to
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