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Rogers/Kissinger 3:25 pm 1/23/70 -3- K: Elliott heard it. It has been perfectly above board. It has been before the Review committee. R: Tell Mel this. If the President has dicided or almost decided it. If he wants to get someone in line, the President can tell someone and we can get him in line. The meeting on Africa was good. The President was exposed to many ideas. K: You ask Elliott. Farley and Smith were at every meeting. Everything Everything I said the President is for Phase 2 -- he rejected that. I don't see what I He never put in two minute man alternatives. Today it revolved around something never started. In fact, the discussion was on who we refine Phase 2. R: I don't think there's any disagreement K: I wish you would kix talk to Richardson about Smith's attitude as late as Wed. afternoon. R: Everyone wants Phase 2. Area defense. did K: At two successive meetings Smith said he/woukd not think the President is committed to area defense. R: That's in his letter. K: That's how this arose. If you can get Smith to say what he wants, we can get the NSC to adress that issue. And he should tell you R: And there's not reason to discuss them unless they are relevant. If the President already has decided, he should just do it. K: If I understand the issue as it emerged last night, Gerry's give gig case that Congress would never take Phase 2. R: Bryce thought we had lost by two votes. We can pick up votes. I don't agree with the President that we can be careless. K: If he is right, we are bound to loose R: What we say is important now. If he puts his whole presitge on the line he would have a better -- but get it through. I hate to take our whole time and attention and the next few months. Everything is going SO well. If the Washington proposal can be done Reproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library DECLASSIFIED This document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.

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