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Withdrawn and return private and personal material.\nor a libel of a living person.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon returned non-historical material.\nDECLASSIFIED\nNATIONAL ARCHIVHSi Qant to Executive Order 13526and to be declassified. NA\nTelecon\nElliot Richardson\n2/19/70 10:15 a. m.\nK: I was just talking to the President, and he was wondering\nwhether you would be willing to call the Washington Post and get\nbue or two others to call, and indicate that we have a united Ad-\nministration position here.\nR: I thought of doing that.\nK: And that this is no public relations exercise that we are\nall involved. And whatever you want to say\nif you say to\nthem what you said at the meeting it would be helpful\nwhat\nthe State Department bureau chiefs think of it.\nR: Okay, I'll call Geylin- - I know him well enough. I thought\nFrankel's article was very good.\nK: I haven't read it.\nR: and fair\nK: The President felt this was something we should correct\nif we could, and it's best to have it come from State.\nR: Okay, I'll do it.\nK: And if your bureau chiefs could do it too, it would be helpful.\nK: Okay, I don't know if we should stimulate a series of calls,\nbut I might get one or two.\nK: I see the New York Times gave it a lot of play.\nR: They reprinted the entire thing. On the inside pages it's\npretty good. The editorial was slightly snide, but a lot fairer than\nthe Post. Their profile of you is very good.\nK: I haven't read it.\nR: You should. It emphasizes the point that you have been fair\nin your presentation of the issues. It quotes somebody from State\nin a not entirely positive way, but in the balance it's positive. It's\nnot bad.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nElliot Richardson\n2/19/70 10:15 a. m.\npage 2\nK: The problem is not what it said about me.\nR: No, I'm just commenting that they had a very fair picture of you.\nK: I haven't even read the Post editorial carefully--the only con-\ncern of the President is\nR: I'll call Phil Geylin and say \"for Christ's sake Phil, this is a\nserious effort; it's unprecedented to set forth\nThe most ennoy-\ning thing about the Post editorial is it's essentially ignorant of the\nsignificance of a lot of the stuff in there.\nK: Yes, one thing you cannot say is that it doesn't have substance.\nYou can viblently disagree, but you cannot say it doesn't have substance.\nR: You need to know the background of some of these things. In\nEurope for example. And the same is true of many other points in the\nwhole thing. I think this is the most irritating part of the Post.\nK: There was no public relations effort to this thing. It was the\nPresident's original thought to put out the statement you made at the\nCabinet meeting. I think this is too defensive. But we would appreci-\nate it very much if you were willing to do that. The point that your\nbureau chiefs thought it was helpful to them.\nR: I am sure there will be ways of doing this. I was on TV this\nmorning at Klein's suggestion. But it turned out to be a very brief\ninterview. The guy started on the thesis that the State Department\nhas been downgraded. So I had to explain about Presidential decis-\nions. I didn't have much of a chance to be positive about that report.\nOkay, I'll call Geylin.\nK: Good. I'll see you for lunch.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nAdm. Moorer/Kissinger\n11:30 am\n2/19/70\nM: I wondered if you got the report on that operation?\nK: I have, undoubtedly, but I have been with the President all day. My\nstaff XXIXX loves to be well informed themselves.\nM: It was very effective, as viewed by people on the ground.\nK: I just got it here. It's tremendous.\nML I hope the President wasn't too disturbed.\nK: He was a little disturbed. I think it turned out fine.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nMcNamara/Kissinger\n11:30 am\n2/19/70\nM: 4 points. First, I think that is a monumental exercise. I gag on some\nof the points - -- that Madison Ave. language. It shows a larger institutional\nchange. I don't know if you noticed -- Reuters to the Daily Telegram\n\"Nixon report work of Dr. Kissinger. \"\nK: ?????\nM: That gal we talked about has called me and wants to talk to me.\nK: Who? Oh, Hunebelle. It's okay. Truitt at Newsweek wants to talk to\nme about you.\nM: He is doing a book. He is an able guy. I have no control over it. Talk\nto him. The Pompidou visit -- a brief you asked me to do. After I saw you,\nPompidou invited me to Paris to see him. In view of that, more because\nPeterson's report isn't in, and the President hasn't directed his mind, I\ndon't think I should.\nK: He has directed his mind. Do you agree with Peterson?\nM: I do, yes. He has talked to me some and directions I do agree with.\nIt begins to meet some of the criteria. He wants to address the problem\nin a new set of\n.\nK: We are having opposition again from State but we can handle that.\nM: It has to appear to be different and substantivally different.\nK: It's in State's interest - -- we don't want the Ambassador to be passed\non every project.\nM: ? ? ? ? ? I think some general\nlike this might be expressed\nto Panama. You very kidnly said I couldxlix look at the cables on negotia-\ntions in Moscow. I haven't done it and I don't want to know. McCloy has\nasked me to see him and I don't want ухосих to read your cables and then go\nthere without your knowledge.\nK: That's good of you but I have no objection.\nM: Then I will call Young next week.\nK: I will let you W see the work of the Verification Panel. You will need an\nafternoon for it.\nM: I will set one aside.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nVice President/Kissinger\n12:18 pm\n2/19/70\nK: The President very much appreciated your willingness to do this Mar. 2\nthing.\nVP: I hope I don't get him impaled on the sword of the NY Jewish community.\nK: There's an old friend of mine who's an editor of the London Sunday Times.\nHonest (?) and most prestigious. He will be in town through Sunday. It\nwould be good for both of you, if you could see him.\nVP: If I can do it tomorrow, I am going out oń the road. What is his name ?\nK: Frank Giles. Have someone call Haig.\nVP: We just had a session with Sen. Russell. That has us turning handsprings.\nK: That is so screwed up that I don't know which side we are on.\nVP: We don't know where the sides are. OK, I will get gack to Gen. Haig.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nRichardson/Ksisinger\n1:55 pm\n2/19/70\nK: I know this is the height of discourtesy and I don't know what to do. He\ncalled immediate at 12:45 and asked to see the two British newspaperment\nI had in my office. I called you right away to let you know I xxixtx would be\nlate. Then he asked them to stay. This is the one part of my schedule I\ncan't control. I didn't want you to think I was being cavalier.\nR: I thank you for calling. The French woman will be here in the morning.\nK: She's persistant. I can stay until 8:45.\nR: I talked to Gehler.\nK: Did he write it?\nR: If not, he certainly didh't try to evade responsibility. I promised to take\nanother look at the paper on the point of view he tried to get across. He thought\nI put too much emphasis on\nand style and not enough on what he said.\nK: You were very nice.\nR: I asked Hillenbrand to call Roberts by way of getting across the value of\na paper to a bureau. I am going to talk to the Council of Foreign Relations in\nNY next week. Tuesday.\nK: I would have come if there wasn't the Pompidou dinner.\nR: That is an important group. I will do what I can to get it out publicly.\nSee you tomorrow.\nK: That's very nice of you.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nU. Alexis Johnson\n2/19/70 2:18 p.m.\nK: I talked to that fellow again and told him it was out of the question\nthat I go. The Presid ent is getting extremely mad.\nJ: I can understand.\nK: I suggested that you go.\nJ: Did you mention the possibility of Trecise going?\nK: That he wouldn't hear of. He at first thought well of sending you;\nthen he said no he wants it to push them against the well. He wants to send\nTwo things:\nStans. ********* Star Sato needs some demonstration that we will be\nmean as hell, we'll send Stans. Secondly, if it has to be saved here,\nwhy not let Stans do it? He wants to have the Japanese told that if they\ndon't come across on 75% of what to then we would go for\nlegislation, and there's no guarantee it would stop with textiles. And\nthat's what I'm going to tell my friend.\nJ: They will react badly to Maury, but that's all right. We are not\ngoing to get what we thought we were going to get.\nK: He says he will not listen to selective. Let me call you back;\nI've got another call.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nMayor Daly/Kissinger\n2:20 pm\n2/19/70\nK: I am calling you about the visit of Pompidou to Chicago. We know this\npresents significant problems to every city he is visiting. The President\nhas requested that I give you our thinking. It's his xi first trip and the only\nway to influence them on the Libyan jets is to wkx show him our attitude\nrather then drive him into the wall. Those jets won't be delivered for a\nfew years and things could happen. If you could go to the dinner and greet\nhim at the airport.\nD: It's not an official visit. The airport is being handled and the dinner\nis being given by a separate group, I have another engagement. I will see\nwhat I can do.\nK: It would be appreciated. Thank you for listening to me.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nLaird/Kissinger\n2:25 pm\n2/19/70\nK: I think things went pretty well the other day.\nL: We got another report from Godley. It's quite a report.\nK: And if we did that there what would we have done in the tx other place.\nL: X There was ohe screw up. I'll tell you someday. Those other sorties\nwere just a mile inside Laos. That's why it didn't show in VN. It was near\nQuay San. They diverted it one mile inside. They had the safeguard meeting\nover there today. I thought it was going to be just a discussion group/ Instead,\nthere were a couple of people from the Joint Staff and Farly.\nK: Why?\nL: I don't know. An interagency group -- 14 people. and I told them not\nto pull out my statement. I think we should have a chairman -- Johnny Foster.\nK: I agree. I don't want ACDA chewing over your statement.\nL: Then they ask me if Wheeler is on board. I'll get him on board when I\nneed him. But that's not the way. We thought it was a general discussion\ngroup. My people said they couldn't dixxex decide anything until I saw it.\nThe group is fine but we need someone like Foster who works on the Task\nForce every day to chair it. Will you circulate something?\nK: OK.\nL: And designate him in charge.\nK: I also made a statement that reflects Presidential policy. So if I can get\na crack\nL: Sure, you will\nK: I will get that memo out this afternoon\nL: With Foster at the head.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nU.A. Johnson/Kissinger\n2:35 pm\n2/19/70\nJ: I tell you, I think there's a lot of merit in throwing Stans at them and letting\nStans eek out what he can. Our case is weak.\nK: The President was told it wasn't.\nJ: In some areas we have a case. But it's the areas in which we are weak that\nwe have the trouble with them. The figures don't support our case and the\nJapaense know the situation. That's why they have trouble with their industry.\nIn those areas where we have a case, we can make sure of that. If we want\nthe whole loaf then\nK: We should have a fall-back poistion.\nJ: You, I and Maury should have a fall-back position to offer to the Presdient\nbefore he leaves.\nK: Whatever I agree on, the President will agree to.\nJ: The industry;s case and it ? ? ? ? in the facts of the matter. We have\npushed the Japanese to the wall now and we have to settle it. They will not\nbe happy with Maury.\nK: They won't be happy even with you.\nJ: I don't want to go.\nK: We know that. For one possible moment the President wanted me to go.\nJ: Mizazawa (phonetic) would tear both of us apart.\nK: All I can do is report what is on paper. The President wants to take a\nhard line and see where we come out.\nJ: I have a call in to Maury\nK: Let me break the news to him.\nJ: OK, and then I will tell him what we want. I have a posture for the Japanese.\nIt's not exactly what we want. You and I and Maury\nK: I can't do it before Monday.\nJ: Your (contact) at the other end.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nU.A. Johnson%/Kissinger\n- 2-\n2:35 pm\n2/19/70\nK: I haven't called him yet.\nJ: I talked to Shimoda last night and I pushed him hard about coming back with\nsomething we can talk about. He is as distressed as we are. For your own\nbackgøound, let me send over to you two or three pages summarizing the case\nas I see it.\nK: I will show it to the President. I am seeing him at 6:00\nJ: I will send it right over.\nK: It's not necessarily what he should do.\nJ: No. You will call Maury now?\nK: Yes\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nStans/Kissinger\n2:45 pm\n2/19/70\nk: You know these Japanese fiascos?\n$: They're not keeping their word.\nK: My contact wanted me to come over. I told him no chance. The President\nwants to send you. Johnson wants to send Trezise.\nS: I'm willing to go and bring Nehmer or Trezise.\nK: I thought you, I and Johnson should get together this week to make a stand.\nS: Just as early as we can\nK: I will get your office called this afternoon.\nS:\nwill not like my going.\nK: He didn't but I told him he has no choice.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nRELCON\nAtty. Gen. /Kissinger\n3:00 pm 2/19/70\nAG: Is the President going to handle that genocide matter before Friday?\nK: We\nit today.\nAG: We made it for the American Bar Meeting. We appreciate it no end.\nAre you all set for your movement?\nK: All set\nAG: I wish you well.\nK: I will call you when I get back. It's awfully complicated to get in and out.\nAG: But after the other fellows trip -- You can explain it all to State.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelcon\nEhrlichman\n2/19/70; 3:30 p.m.\nK: I am supposed to call you about this McClintock thing.\nE: Has anybody had a chance to look at the State Department replies?\nK: John Lehman has looked at them and he considers them a pack of lies.\nE: Elliot brought it up at a meeting Harlow, Haldeman, he and I had.\nHe said, you can't blame McClintock, he got in between. He was getting\none set of instructions from your committee and other set from the\nSecretary. I said, well, look, the Secretary was represented on our\ncommittee by you so it isn't as if you weren't a party to the committee's\ndeliberations. He said that was part of a situation he has to work with.\nLook, you are ruining a good man's career. I said, a good man would\nhave said, I have been put in an intolerable position, Mr. Secretary.\nElliot said, there's quite a bit to what you say.\nK: The basic thing is the Secretary undercut a White House committee.\nI have great sympathy for this sort of problem. This is what I put up\nwith three times a week. No White House order will ever stick.\nE: The President said to me, we never want to fight little battles.\nWe just want to fight big battles.\nK: You can't do it that way, because there will never be any big battles,\njust a lot of little ones.\nE: I think Elliot has given me the ammunition I need on this. We can\nput it off til Monday.\nK: I am engaged at this moment in a horrible uproar on this Presidential\nreport because they think we screwed them. They were going to feature\nthemselves. They thought we couldn't put out a report without their\nassistance so now they have scrapped theirs. The Secretary is going to\ncome in here loaded for bear next week.\nE: Do you want to keep this for training stock?\nK: No, No. When it goes to the President I want to back you 100%. My\njudgment is the same as yours. But I don't want to negotiate with State.\nIf you take the hard line with State I will back you with the President.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nEhrlichman Telcon\n- 2 -\nE: I want to leave this status quo. When will the Secretary be back?\nK: Monday\nE: I will talk to the President Monday and tell him what Richardson said.\nK: You should also show him Lehman's chronology.\nE: Ask John to give it to my office so I can read it Sunday, and I will\ntalk to the President about it Monday, and we will hang tough unless he\nreverses us.\nK: Is the report playing very well out there?\nE: The Salt Lake Tribune had a front page article on it. There is also\nan editorial saying it should be an annual report. I have seen the Wall\nStreet Journal which has a country-by-country analysis.\nThis taking a whole week off is a great idea.\nK: I am going to take a week off in March.\nms\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTECCON\nRichardson?Kissinger\n3:40 pm\n2/19/70\nK: On jet sales to Argentina -- that's OK. The President is delayiang the\ndecision with respect to 2, 3 and 4 on long provisions until my memo.\nR: I talked to Vaky yesterday.\nK: But recommendation 1 & 5 of your Feb. memo is approved. I failed you\nby only 24 hours.\nR: There were a few things on the list to mention to you tomorrow that I am\nmentioning to Eliot to take up with Haig.\nK: Good.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nBarth/Kissinger\n3:50 pm\n2/19/70\nB: I just wanted to know if you had gotten a message from Jacobi\nK: It (seems) as though it was our own information agency which distributed\nit and we will have to fire a few people.\nB: Information agency here or in Germany?\nK: In Germany.\nB: So, you are satiffied with the answer.\nK: Yes\nB: I'm glad. I will phone them your reaction.\nK: I just want to be sure they make clear this was written two years ago and\nnot\nB: Did the wire say they offered to publish that? Only how they got it?\nK: Yes\nB: I will ask them to publish a notice explaining it?\nK: Yes\nB: Could you give Jacobi a telegram?\nK: I thanked him for that.\nB: Telling him that\nK: I could\nB: It would be better if you would and I will phone Springer. Both would be\nmore excellent.\nK: Excellent.\nB: Your teleghame would be ? ? ? ? and I will tell Springer.\nK: This is fair.\nB: I am taken back by this. I don't represent this paper but I consider it\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nBarth/Kissinger\n3:50 pm 2/19/70\n-2-\nB: (cont.) important that you are satiffied. You know by chance that I am\nfrom Franconia?\nK: Isn't that interesting.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nElliot Richardson\n2/19/70 5:15 p.m.\n]\nK: I'm having a minor problem having to do with my paranoia.\nThat's the great thing about this job--you can be paranoid and have\nreal enemies.\nR: That's one of your better lines.\nK: Thank you. About that picture at the signing ceremony. The\nPresident wanted to meet the staff and thank them. No pictures were\nsupposed to be taken. But in an expansive mood he said bring in the\nphotographers. I moved out of the picture, but he said, no get back\nhere.\nR: I haven't heard any complaints, have you?\nK: Yes, I have heard some rumors. I can understand these com-\nplaints. It was not a signing ceremony, rather that he wanted to thank\nthe NSC staff whom he has never seen as a group, and then he called\nin the photographers. I feel like a punch-drink fighter. If you could\nmention this to your more sensitive people, I'd appreciate it.\nR: Okay. We had a unanimous Under Secretaries meeting.\nK: You're not supposed to--we want options.\nR: It was good.\nK: I'm just kidding.\nR: On an agreement with the Europeans on gaseous diffusion plants.\nK: Good.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelcon\nSecretary Laird\nFebruary 20, 1970; 9:10 a.m.\nL: I am ready to go up on the Hill. I start this morning and go the\nnext 15 days.\nK: If you can't confuse them no one can.\nL: I don't have to go on Saturdays and Sundays, SO I will be in the office.\nK: I was calling you to wish you a lot of success. The only other item\nwas to tell you about yesterday. It seems everyone thinks the statement\nis now in fine shape. I am putting out another directive today saying\nfor day-to-day backup we are forming a new group under Johnnie Foster.\nL: Then you will have everybody on it.\nK: Is that agreeable?\nL: Yes. Johnnie can live with the thing.\nK: The President is very anxious that we all say the same thing. That\nis his concern.\nL: My only concern about yesterday was that they were trying to press\nthe best I had over there. I didn't know Helms and Farley were going\nto be over there - - I would have sent somebody else over there.\nK: I understood your concern. I think for the day to day business we\nought to have it under Foster.\nL: Are there any other problems?\nK: No. I wish you lots of luck. I think you have a good statement\nthere - the posture statement.\nL: They think it's a little too hard line. But somebody has to be a\nlittle hard line.\nms\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nJos. Kraft/Kissinger\n9:30 am\n2/23/70\nK: I was calling because I wanted to -- did you have a good weekend?\nHAK: I don't know whether Camp David is good weekend -- for part of it.\nWhat was it you wanted?\nK: Any special thing I should say about Pompidou? I am going to say there's\nnot much logic in the meeting but it should not be an occasion for consecrating\nhypocrisy.\nHAK: You know the President's relationship with the French. We certainly\ndon't want to do that. we want to treat France respectfully.\nWe will express our views on thexxmatkexx Middle East.\nK: It doesn't make much sense to\nout the\nissue in Europe.\nHAK: The evolution there will take care of some of that.\nK: Anything on VN?\nHAK: We have no indication to that effect. I don'tseexhewx%X why the Viet-\nnamese would use them as intermediaries.\nK: Anything on nuclear arms?\nHAK: We don't think they will raise it. ????? \"de mon dieu\" (?). The\n(range) of what they could discuss is extremely small. The fundamental\nproblem isn't amenable to solution at the summit.\nK: I think it has to be\nat the summit. He needs to feel he can\ndeal strongly with the U.S.\nHAK: I think that's right.\nK: No one should swallow that stuff about their Mediterannean strategy.\nHAK: They will hear our view. The President and Secretary of State made\nit clear we don't agree with the. We are not going to have any confrontations\nbut we're not goingxtxxlek to lay on hands either. This is just backgøound.\nK: Am I going to learn about ABM tomorrow? What's the reason for the delay?\nYou said it would be out by the 20th.\nHAK: The 20th was the posture statement. Tomorrow will be the ABM\nstatement.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nKraft/Kissinger\n9:30 am 2/23/70\n-2-\nK: I will look for it hopefully\nHAK: Paul Doty thought it the most reasonable one.\nK: Thatks very much.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nHarlow/Kissinger\n1:45 pm\n2/23/70\nH: On that textiles thing, why don't you send Tony Jurich to hit that.\nK: We are sending Stans\nH: You know what we discussed about the problems he engenders with those\npeople. I had lunch with Jurich. I talked to hom about what is going on --\nnot the whole scene. He is up to his yxex ears on the Okinawa business. The\nmore he talked, the more I decided he would be the man to send.\nK: We don't need a cover. We need an alibi. We want them to know we are\ntough. Let me talk to the President about it.\nK: It might be exploratory and a thought. There's not charge for that.\nK: Thank you.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nLucet/Kissinger\n2:10 pm\n2/23/70\nK: Thank you for everything\nL: It went well?\nK: I wanted to tell you we are sending the VP to Andrews for the informal\nreception.\nL: I'm very thankful to the President and you.\nK: We have spoken to Mayor Daly but if he doesn't come we will send a\nhigh official from here.\nL: You are doing SO well\nK: We are eager to have a success and what you did for us\nL: That went without saying\nK: You won't be surprisedw when you see the VP out there.\nL: The President will be extremely pleased, I am sure.\nK: Are you staying at Camp David?\nL: Sure, but you do not go.\nK: I will call Gauchet to make sure everything is in order.\nL: Gsu chet isn't going to Camp David. He'll be at Blair House.\nK: Then I will call you. Tell President Pompidou that he can use our communi-\ncations for rapid communications if he would like. And he can, of course, use\nhis code.\nL: Thank you\nK: I will see you at the reception.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nHaldeman/Kissinger\n2:15 pm\n2/23/70\nK: What's the President's schedule for Sunday? Is he coming back for church?\nH: No. He has the WH evening at 7:30.\nK: Thanks for inviting me. Is it that 1776?\nH: Yes. You go to all the State dinners. My wife wants to go to one and I\nhaven't been able to get her an invitation yet.\nK: I'll take here. She doesn't know how lucky she is, they're a bore.\nH: I want him to stay up until 5:00. They're rehearsing here in the afternoon.\nK: Maybe I will go up.\nH: Not Sat. night. When do you get in?\nK: 8 or 9:00.\nH: Maybe the thing to do is go hom and get a good night's sleep, go up about\n11:00, and XXX come back with him. Do you have a preference?\nK: That's a good way of doing it. That give us a time to talke about that\nthing and others.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nLaird/Kissinger\n2:20 pm\n2/23/70\nK: Did you see that cable by Ungar? That crazy SOB.\nL: I'm going to cable him.\nK: Tell him it was done on highest authority. This was unbelievable. He\nhas no right to tak to the Joint Chief in such a way.\nL: He shouldn;t wire Wheeler anyway.\nK: I'm sending it to Elliott with a note that he is to be brought undercontrol.\nL: I think we will have to let him know in the future.\nK: How about the menu series?\nL: Never done that.\nK: Not out of there\nL: He knows nothing about that.\nK: It doesn't involve his material?\nL: Yes, but listed as VN strengths.\nK: You had better send him a message.\nL: I will let Wheeler send it and tell him that we will give him information\nthrough the bakc channel for his eyes only and if he has to tell, then do it\nafter the strikes.\nK: Right\nL: One thing. We think we ought to get the President involved. I think bxex I\nwill say it was handled on my authority.\nK: That is generous. You had better make sure it's cleared with his people.\nL: We don't want front chennel things coming in here. The meeting went well\nthis morning.\nK: I think so. Are you going to the Hill tomorrow?\nL: I think the ABM statement is good.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nLaird/Kissinger\n2:20 pm\n2/23/70\n-2-\nK: Harlow and our people feel you should have one man handling this thing\nand Foster can't fight the political thing. How about Buzzard?\nL: I can't break him from that panel and the President doesn't want to\nuse Belieu. We have Friedheim -- he can work on that.\nK: We need a point of contact on the political side.\nL: Friedheim and on substance with Foster.\nK: Excellent. I think it has come out well.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nKleindienst/Kissinger\n3:45 pm\n2/23/70\nK: I think the foreign policy statement is magnificant. Secondly, I went over\na paper on Rhodesian chrome thing. It's just a rifle shot in a broad and general\nsituation. If you need any help let me know. I was mindful of the broader\nissue but I thought your NSSM called for a more limited piece. I treated this\non a more specific þasis.\nHAK. We are being beaten with the broader issue.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\n? /Kissinger\n6:15 pm 2/23/70\n? : I just talked to the Under Secretary of State. I said once and for all\nI would not recommend McClintock. He is going to his friend.\nK: The leader won't go all the way\n?: I will call the Atty. Gen.\nK: And let him do that\n?: Elliott suggested that we convene the committee again to talk about atomic\ndeployment in Europea and other things.\nK: Hewas going to raise it with me and then Bob came in.\n? : The President said that if the Secretary raises it with him then he will\ntell him to talk to Mitchell and me.\nK: I really feel that as a matter of discipline it has k to be done.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nLucet/Kissinger\n6:22 pm 2/23/70\nK: The President has just asked me to find out if everything is in order.\nL: Perfectly. Mr. Pompidou and Mr. Schumann are delighted. Everything\ngoes well.\nK: Where are you staying?\nL: At Dogwood. Thank you so much for everything.\nK: Oh, yes. That's where I was this weekend. Extend the pe rsonal welcome\ndf the President to your President and if there's anything we can do, please\ncall me.\nL: Thank you for the presence of the VP at the airport. The President was\nvery touched.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nProfessor Yoshida\nMr. Kissinger\nFeb. 24, 1970, 9:25 a. m.\nK: How are you this morning?\nY: Fine, how are you this morning? I have talked with my friend.\nHe would like to ask your friend to hold just for a while instead of\nsending Mr. Stans and Mr. Trezise to Japan because we are now calling\n?\nin for consultation and a serious reexamination of our stand\non this matter. And my friend is hopeful that we can take a major\nstep forward toward a mutually acceptable solution. My friend would\nlike you to wait.\nK: How long?\nY: For a few more days and he will let you know as soon as he has a\ncounter proposal. And then either here or at your place and if it\nis desirable, we can welcome your people here and have prompt\nproductive talks.\nK: One problem I have is some people are questioning whether my\nchannel is authentic. But we will try this once more. I will talk\nto the President and some other people and I will call you tonight\nabout 6:30 pm my time.\nY: This is the response I got from my friend.\nK: I will let you have the reaction of our people. OK?\nY: Yes.\nK: I will call you at 6:30 pm tonight my time. Is that alright?\nY: Yes, alright.\nK: Or I can do it later.\nY: No, no, that is alright. But could you try at 7:00 pm your time at\nmy office.\nK: Alright, I will try at 7:00 pm.\nmlh\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nRelecon\nU. Alexis Johnson\n2/24/70 2:25 p.m.\nK: I had a call from Tokyo, and they don't want Stans.\nJ: They' re pretty firm on this?\nK: They said Yoshino has been called home, that he will be\ngiven new instructions, and these are very forthcoming instructions.\nIt won't be necessary to send Stans.\nJ: I presume you put to to them pretty hard?\nK: I said my problem is that people no longer believe I have\na channel. I said Yoshino had better come back with something.\nJ: Did they give you a time element?\nK: No, but I will tell him we have got to have him back Monday.\nAnd if he doesn't come back with something, we'll send Stans.\nJ: Okay, it shouldn't take much time for him to get new instructions.\nI wonder if we should talk to Yoshino before he leaves?\nK: You could tell him we' re taking it very hard.\nJ: Yes, but\nlet me judge that. Does Stans know yet.\nK: No, I'm going to call and tell him.\nJ: Let me know if Stans has any opposing view. Otherwise I'll\nassume this is the situation.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nStans/Kissinger\n3:10 pm\n2/24/70\nK: The Japanese are scared of you. My contact called back saying they\nare calling Yoshino back. They have new instructions that will please us.\nWe will give them until next Monday. They you will go if necessary. You\nare our secret weapon. Besure and work with State on this.\nS: OK.\nK: The only point you made that the President didn't want was to make\nlegislation to\n.\nBut you. could say we would make legislation\nand not try to stop it.\nS: That's not as strong. OK, we will wait until next week.\nK: We will wait for Yoshina.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nChapin/Kissinger\n4:05 pm\n2/24/70\nK: Does the President expect me present with Rogers?\nC: Yes\nK: Did you raise it?\nC: No, we just expected you to walk in.\nDid\nK: Wxouxld you put it on the schedule? I don't want to get thrown out in the\npresence of Rogers.\nC: I see what you mean. I will cover that before you come up. I think you\nshould just ome in with him.\nK: Should I call Bob Haldeman?\nC: No, there's no need to bother him. I think you can just come in with the\nSecy. OK, the minute this meeting breaks I will ask him.\nK: I don't want him to say he wants to speak privately with the Secretary.\nI would be worse off. Tell him I am planning to come.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nRay Cline\n2/24/70 5:50 p.m.\nC: Did you get my message?\nK: Yes, but I didn't get whether you thought it was a good idea.\nC: I think in his case it's a good idea.\nK: Do you know him?\nC: Yes, he's a very bright and responsible fellow.\nK: Would he be working for me?\nC: For you primarily. You might have some of those problems\nwe discussed, but you don't need to worry about general support.' He's\nan intellectually honest and straightforward fellow. He is an analyst;\nnot an operator. If it's a good idea at all--and I think in your case it\nis--I think that selection would suit your purposes quite well.\nK: Good.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nMcNamara/Kissinger\n9:15 am\n2/25/70\nM: That woman is fascinating.\nK: Overwhelming!\nM: I wanted you to know I have seen her.\nK: You get a kick out of her once but when she's around constantly\nM: She's worried about the way things are coming out. She's smart and has\ntalent. I think she will turn this into something favorable for you but you\nshould keep in mind that there is the chance it could be something quite less.\nIt's really in her hands and I think she will do a good job. Relax and let\nthe thing come through -- your personality and mind.\nK: This woman has been living on my doorstep. Every time I have a few\nminutes there she is. She's the only person I know who can make me lose\nmy composure.\nM: She **** thinks she hasn't caught you.\nK: Her idea of catching me is to cathch me in my underwear. I will have\nDave Young call you in the next week about getting together.\nM: I don't need to bother you. I'll just come and read.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nYoshida\n9:25 am\n2/25/70\nK: I'm sorry we missed each other yesterday\nY: My friend appreciated your message yesterday. Also I might tell you he\nis aware of the consequences of unsuccessful negotiations. He will send Yoshino\nback to Washington after he has a counter proposal. In the meantime, I will\nkeep you informed. I raised the question of\n.\n(couldn't hear)\nK: That's what people are asking me.\nY: I mentioned this to him and he is WX sorry and expressed his confidnece\nin this channel as valuable line of communication.\nK: I appreciate this and I value this channel too.\nY: I understand that I am rather poor position not to be able to look into\nthe\n.\n(couldn't hear)\nK: My colleagues here, I tell them something is going to happen and nothing\nhappens. That is the difficulty.\nY: My own observations is that it's not a delaying tactic on the side of my\nfriend and he told me recently how concerned he is about this program and\nhewill do what his utmost toward a solution.\nK: Is Yoshina coming this week?\nY: That's what my friend intends but when he comes he must have our counter\nproposal. That's what I gathered from my conversations with my friend. He\nis apparently on his way to Japan.\nK: That's right\nY: So he hasn't come to Tokyo yet. I made it quite clear. He should be back\nnext week. I am conveying it with firm terms to my friend and I am trans-\nporting very faithful messages from my friend. The trouble is I am not in\na position\nK: Neigher of us understands the problem and we are acting as messengers.\nWe will see what happens next week. You keep me informed, that will be\nvery helpful.\nY: That's right.\nK: Good to talk to you again.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nAmb. Freeman/Kissinger\n9:50 am\n2/25/70\nK: About your letter on a personal point, I don't mind.\nF: I felt bad.\nK: Im' not that petty.\nF: If you want it on another day\nK: No, that's fine. As soon as you tell me I can exchange those minutes, I\nwill procede with the rest of our discussion.\nF: What I said to Gen. Haig last night, I haven't SO far put it to London but\nif we agree that this is sensible I will deliver don don.\nK: If you deliver London, I will deliver Washington.\nF: And the State Dept. will stay off our backs?\nK: I'm sitting on their cable, they can't do anything.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nAmb. Lucet/Kissinger\n10:00 am 2/23/70\nL: Thank you again for yesterday which was wonderful.\nK: I wanted to tell you that we have asked Sen. Mansfield to go to the dinner\nin NY and he has agreed. To show bipartisan support. Will you tell that\nto your President? So, no matter what happens at the Congress today, the\nExecutive Branch is doing what it can.\nL: A lot of Congressman are? ? ?\nK: I think it's less serious then a lot of hotheads say.\nL: Yesterday was perfect and the dinner also.\nK: I will you tonight.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nRichardson/Kissinger\n12:25 pm\n2/25/70\nK: Thank you again for the other evening. I enjoyed it.\nR: We enjoyed it very much too. I have an unpleasant subject to bring up but\nthese are a necessary part of our business. The Ripon ariticle. \"State Dept.\nWatched Biafra Starve. 11\nK: Who wrote that?\nR: Chris Beale\nK: I haven't seen him in years.\nR: He works for the Ripon Society. The thing that's disturbing is that it's\nquite evident from a lot of what he has that he got it from the WH.\nK: It's almost inconceivable to me. How is it evident?\nR: The ariticle reflectsinformation we can't imagine their getting from any\nother source. During our attempting a seek ago to the the aritcle killed, becuase\nwe thought it distorted the picture, they went over aspects that showed detailed\nknowledge known by few people.\nK: It would have had to have been Roger Morris. It's inconceivable to me.\nR: XXXX There's a fellow named Auspitz involved on this.\nK: He worked with Moynihan. He was very close to Jen Mieir. Could this\nhave been put together by the three of them?\nR: Possible.\nK: Morris is enthusiastic but he is honorable.\nR: I don't think Meier had the information\nK: What should we do? After a rocky initial few days, after the facts were\nsettled\nR: The thrust of this is that there was insubordination on the part of the Dept.\nK: It isn't that I haven't got enough problems.\nR: The implication is that aided and abetted the report of the President's\npolicy.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nRichardson/Kissinger\n12:25 pm\n225/70\n-2-\nK: That's rediculous. But what could I do about this other? I wish k you had\ncalled me. I would have killed it.\nR: I wanted to call you earlier but I called Zeigler earlier. I didn't have\nany useful\nK: I will find whoever did it. I don't care who he is. If you can tell me who did\nit. I simply will not have this. People should be able to come to meetings and\nexpress their views without worrying how it will come out in the newspapers.\nThere was no problem between State and the WH. I will call Auspitz andxxexx\nFirst, I will call Morris and see if he has talked to anybody.\nR: OK, thank you.\nK: I am really dexpxpxex deeply sorry that this happened and I only hope it didn't\ncome from by people.\nR: We should have called you earlier. I was away yesterday.\nK: How did that go?\nR: Well. The President's statement and the general thrust of our statement\nwent well with the editorial board and the group later. It's persuasive. I\nfelt very comfortable on our overall posture.\nK: Good\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nRoger Morris/Kissinger\n12:30 pm\n2/25/70\nK: Elliott Richardson just called, outraged that there's a Ripon Society article\nthat State was found out by the WH on Biafra.\nM: I was just doing a memo to you on that.\nK: Where did it come from?\nM: The public record. There's nothing that's leaked official informtion.\nK: You never talked to them?\nM: I talked to Chris Beale he's an old friend. But not about this. I only\ntold him what was on the public record.\nK: The easiest would be if I could say that you never talked to him.\nM: He's a personal friend. It's nothing but a reconstruction from what was\npublic. They met twice with people at State and they gave them telegrams\nfor a chronology. Burebeck and Fergueson.\nK: Do the memo for me. I'm not saying you did it.\nM: It's most natural for Richardson to complain. There were no leaks here\nbut they got a lot from State to confirm their stand.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nHillenbrand/Kissinger\n12:45 pm\n2/25/70\nK: I have reviewed the interpreters notes of the meeting. I swear that I don't\nsee how two men could spend two hours together and not say anything. There's\na vague waffling of military things -- when they are further along. Very low\nkey and xxxx inconclusive. Then the President made a very long speech on\nhis philosophy on the Soviets and China, which follows the world report. He\ndidn't object to strong, indipendent friends. Western Europe was one entity\nwe could keaw live with and Japan another. Pompidou did very little talking.\nThey have discussed E-W relations and Chinese problems exhaustively. I've\nseen nothing on the M. E. although I'm told it was raised.\nH: This is helpful because we guessed along these lines and told the Secy.\nK: I think he is safe on raising the Middle East.\nH: That's what he has in mind.\nK: I can't find anything on the M. E. even though they said there was something\nhere, and nothing on VN.\nH: Thaks very much. You haven't had any word on what is happening on\nthe Hill? I'm supposed to get a phone call.\nK: Will you call me when you here?\nH: Yes.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nZeigler/Kissinger\n1:00 pm 2/25/70\nZ: The first judgment is that xhe it went very well. It was packed. One\nperson left, and that W was Wolfe. He left early on and very inconspicnously.\nK: Good.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nHillenbrand/Kissinger\n1:00 pm\n2/25/70\nH: the report is very good from the Hill.\nK: That's what I hear.\nH: Only one man walked out and it may havebeen from the heat and not\na protest. Anyway, it went off without notice. There was a lot of applause.\nK: Excellent.\nH: This may quiet some\n.\nK: It worked out well.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nRockefeller/Kissinger\n1:35 pm\n2/25/70\nR: I am with a friend of yours. A French lady. Your character is ruined.\nShe's crazy about you. We had great fun. My French is so limited I don't\nknow what I said. Whe has a dynamic personality.\nK: That's putting it mildly. She practically drove the President out of his\noffice. It's quite an experience.\nR: You will have to run for head of the UN now.\nK: You are sweet to call.\nR: I doubt she will use any of it. My trouble is, I can't fully discuss you in\nFrench. She had done a terffic job.\nK: I talked to our people this morning about that airbase. It's under control.\nR: You are my friend.\nK: I have talked to Ehrlichman, Harlow, and Haldeman and they tell me\nit's not going to Missouri.\nR:\nX\nPolitically it's important to me. In Nassau they said that they couldn't\nsupport Goodell but they took a poll and he can beek beat anyone.\nK: He has no character and he won't have any sides.\nRI: You have two admirers here, one beautful and the other a politician.\nK: When you are here let's get together. What are you doing for breakfast\ntomorrow?\nK: I will find out. I have a mid-Atlantic Governors meeting.\nK: If we can't get together on this occasion, we will do it soon. I have a\nnumber of things I think you would be interested in.\nRI: I will be around all day and I will duck out of any meetings to see you.\nAre you going to Agnew's dinner?\nK: No, I have to go to a broadcaster's dinner.\nBH:\nI will check with you.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nU.A. Johnson/Kissinger\n2:45 pm\n2/25/70\nJ: Yoshino called Trezise and asked to see kj him tomorrow and will be\ngoing to Tokyo Thurs. or Fri. A relaxed pace. Second: The Chinese\nroad. The Lao group met on this subject this morning. Lindsay Grant\nwas here. They dixxxx drafted a new instruction to Vietntiane that Lindsay\nwill show you. It's simply a new instruction. ????? if we are going\nto get into a role with the Chinese on Laos. Also, the resistance -- to the\nLaos thus far -- the resistance to say they are not asking anyone to build\na xxxx road. We need to do the next go round with Mat and see what comes\nback tomorrow.\nK: Thank you.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nG. Smith/Kissinger\n3:55 pm\n2/25/70\nS: I have to appear before Morgan's committee tomorrow morning on ACDA.\nI may be asked about ABM One of the sentences in Mel's statement of the\n24th that surprised me was\"? ?????\".\nK: I WSS surprised too.\nS: If I;m asked about postponement decisions, what should I say?\nK: It's a problem if the Soviet build up goes on indefinitely.\nS: It looks as if a specific negative decision has been made. Can I say it\nwas in reference to ALMS?\nK: There were no decisions\nS: That was my understanding but what was Mel getting at?\nK: I would interpret that as deployment. Deployment of systems.\nS: ALMS and AMSA.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nLaird/Kissinger\n6:00 pm 2/25/70\nL: Getting along all right on your talks? I had a good meeting this morning.\nHe objected that German cameras took pictures of the nuclear planning meeting.\nHe was only joking, of course. The safeguard thing got off to a good start.\nI spent all day in the House and will ggain tomorrow.\nK: You will have to be taking the heat on this for a while.\nL: I have a note on the Panama thing. I'm sending you a report on that.\nIf there's real serious concern from the President we should get Gen. Mather\nand Amb. Sayer here. Mather told them of the coup attempt. Maybe they\ndidn't get it here fast enough.\nK: We don't want to peruse it further.\nL: I have this thing from Dick Helms.\nK: That's just to inform him.\nL: I have another note that it should be coordinated through State. I think\nI will send it through State.\nK: Exactly right.\nL: Some of the WH staff people are concerned about base closings.\nK: Not from my people.\nL: NO. The problems is that they say I didn't inform the President of the\neconomic impact of the closings. I told him I got into the economic aspects.\nYou say in at those meetings and Bob Mayo\nK: Nonsense. I will swear to it. I agree you have do you want me to\ndrop you a note?\nL: No, there's no need.\nK: You said it to the President 4 or 5 times. I have a note from the President\non the Williams case. The Phillipino thing. He is agreeable to your sending\nhim back but he wants you to cut Clark field personnel by 1/3.\nL: If they want to do that, it's OK. Those Phillippines I don't know why\nwe want to send them rifles and things. I'm not for sending that man back.\nK: If you want to appeal it, send me a note.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nLaird/Kissinger\n6:00 pm\nxxxx 2/25/70\n-2-\nL: It's not that important. I will take a lot of heat on the Hill.\nK: Why should we expose him to Phillippine justice?\nL: If it isn't this, it will be something else.\nK: I will appea 1 myself.\nL: I will get some attorney, under the table, and get a writ of habeas corpus\nK: Can you do that immediately?\nL: Under the table. First, I will put him back to the Phillipines and then have\nan atty. file a writ of habeau corpus.\nK: Just be sure you don't get him back before ixlx the court stops him. And will\nyou check into cutting Clark Field?\nL: yes.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nPresident/Kissinger\n7:00 pm\n2/25/70\nK: Two things. The thing at Dien Bien PNu that we were talking about has\ncome off. They hit itx the airfield and the administrative buildings. It\nhappened on the same day that I was on my trip.\nP: That's all right. It was done by the others. There's no reason to connect\nthe two. The war goes on. Their attacks have not been reduced any. They\ndid this with what?\nK: Ground forces. It was only 30 mortar shells. But still, it's a little place.\nEntirely Laotian.\nP: Good for them\nK: They got out. Today or tomorrow we are launching an attakk on the oil\nline between NVN and Laos. Are you thinking of a departure statement'\ntommorrow? I think the French would like it.\nP: We didn't for the British but we might as well. We've done everything\nelse. Do something brief. What time is the meeting?\nK: K 10:00. We will have some talking points up there.\nP: At the dinner last night I covered China and Spain and urged him on XXpXX\nSpain.\nK: (something about being related)\nP: He was concerned about what happens after Franco and I said he had a\nchance to influence that. We also talked about Italy. He thinks Fanfani\nis great.\nK: Fanfani is a slippery Psychopath.\nP: That's obviously Shriver's influence. We have to unsell Fanfani. Pompidou\nis tough.\nK: Schumann is a lightweight.\nP: Pompidou has made a good impression. He has a gig -- because of his\nname you think he is a playboy. He actually has very great strength and\nthere's nothing weak about him.\nK: During the student uprisings, he was strong.\nP: Anything particular -- further on the military thing?\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nPresident/Kissinger\n7:00 pm\nxxx 2/25/70\n-2-\nK: You left it in very good shape.\nP: There;s been progress.\nK: Vvery great progress. All French forces\nP: Including Mediterranean forces\nK: and strategic forces.\nP: We said we'd do it on a very confidential basis.\nK: We have to find someone who would do it discreetly.\nP: Goodpaster. He can do it in his capacity as Commander XXX SACEUR.\nWe will tell him not to worry about NATO. Goodpaster is our man and we\nhave complete confidence in him. If you think of any other eubjects\nK: The Middle East. I would let him state his view on international monetary\nsituation. Germany. He may want to get in. You did most of the talking\nyesterday.\nP: I know. He didn't say anything. Getting the feel, I guess. On the other\nhand there's some advantage for him to here what I think about the world.\nK: Essential. We will give you some\nP: Any thoughts I can pick up -- so I don't have to do too much homework\ntonight.\nK: Give him a brief run down on VN. I saw Thanat. He was very upset\nabout the Symington hearings. Some people in the Embassy had talked about\nmoving toward\n.\nI said that was not your view.\nP: You can slip him in to see me. Anything we can do to reassure the Thais.\nThat might be good.\nK: He is leaving tonight -- he'll be in NY tomorrow and then to S. Francisco.\nP: That's all right we don't have to see him every time.\nK: Someone who would like to see you and you've turned down is Cy Sulzberger.\nHe's doing an article on ABM.\nP: I might work him in. I didn't want to go too heavy on the Times. You and\nhe might slip in. So we don't have Ron in and not basically a press thing.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nPresident/Kissinger\n7:00 pm\n2/25/70\n-3-\nP: (cont.) I wondered if, just to do something different -- Ask the French\npress in wi th the AP and UP to talk about the French visit.\nK: They will be thrilled.\nP: Spend 15 mins. with them. Then I can say strongly that I am impressed\nby Pompidou, that we have had a good talk and an excelent communication.\nI can't do that with just the Americans. And there's something to be said for\nasking a group of French press for questions. You talk to them tomorrow.\nK: With the French?\nP: No, with Haldeman. The French press that are here and the AP and UP\nK: I will talk it over with Haldeman.\nP: No TV or others. That's not the prupose. I want the AP and UP there too\nthough. It's worth doing.\nK: The visit to Capitol Hill went well.\nP: I hoped it would. The Star said half of Congress wasn't there. That's\nto be expected -- they never are. Figure Sulzberger for 15 mins. and figure\nthe French press for 15 mins. If it can be worked out. After he take takes\noff we can go see them.\nK: I will talk with Bob\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nLaird/Kissinger\n9:35 am 2/26/70\nL: I wanted to inform you that the question of\nis getting sharper and deeper\nall the time. Operations in Laos.\nK: We were talking about that this morning.\nL: It's in my budget whether CIA or defense. I have to defend it all. They are going to\nspend 2 1/2 hours today with me in the House Foreign Affairs Committee. It was the\ncommittee I was always informed about Laos. This group that I sat with -- they\nknow the past and everything in Helms operation but they really are shocked about\nthe increase in raids in the north. It shakes them to the bottoms of their feet.\nYou know the problem there.\nK: What problem?\nL: I don't think there will be any leaks there but you can't do this with the Senate\nForeign Relations Committee.\nK: You're afraid State will do it?\nL: In the long term X haul they have already done it. Geo. Mahon thinks State has\nalready told. They gave a briefing on how great the NVN are doing in Laos when I\nwas saying there were no VN in Laos.\nK: How about a bakk backgrounder telling people what is being done and how, so\nwe are not accused of a creditibility gap.\nL: Stick with the President's statement except we are ? ? ? ? ? ? tied in with\nprotection of American forces in VN. We do what is necessary to protect\nAmerican forces in VN.\nK: If Souvanna should ask us to stop bombing the Ho Chi Minh trail, which is not\nin his best interests, we are in trouble.\nL: I raised it on Meet the Press and it didn't raise a ripple. It's the only way you\ncan justfy going with requests from Laos. Laos was overwhelmed in 1962 by the\nagreement. We have to be careful we don't let it be overwhelmed\nK: Who said that?\nL: The President and that word, overwhelmed, bothers me. What does it mean? I\nfuzzed that.\nK: We don't want to encourage NVN.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nLaird/Kissinger\n9:35 am\n2/25/70\n-2-\nL: We are going to insist that the Geneva Accords be followed.\nK: What do you think about a backgrounder to Republican S enators? That's what\nHarlow wants.\nL: I think that's all right. The only problem on the whole thing is that it's preety\nwell out in the open. The newspapermen got in there and sawthe advisory camp which\nwas too bad. That's all right. They will talk about it and that's all right.\nK: So is Symington. At least this would give it to some of our guys.\nL: Some of our guys know about this. Milt Young, Mrs. Smith. When I was over\nthere I was always briefed on involvement as far as a special\n. It's gone\nup about 400 %.\nK: In our Administration.\nL: L, 000 sorties as compared to our 4, 000.\nK: On another subject: The President has koxlx a deal with you that Friedheim is\nin charge of ABM.\nL: For public information.\nK: Congressional?\nL: I can't take that from Capin but Friedheim is going to assist him. Friedheim will\nhelp on speeches and so forth.\nK: They just want one man that/can they turn to for political and public relations side.\nL: That's Friedheim. They wanted me to take Buzzard but I can't do that. The\nCommission is just getting going.\nK: That's your decision.\nL: They meet every day and it's my understand that Foster will head the interagency\ngroup. As for the WH -- Ken Belieu.\nK: That's correct.\nL: He will meet with these people too. They wanted Capin to do just this but he\ncan't. This will work out all right and Gerry understands. You know the President\ncalled me before I went to the Hill and asked me if we should go back to research and\ndevelopment. I said we had talked about that andxixe I said we could later but we can't\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nLaird/Kissinger\n9:35 am 2/86/70\n-3-\nL: (cont. ) after the speech and this is not the time to do it. He wanted to keep the\nleadership and he thought I was going too far. Do as much as you can win on. We\ncan win on research and development but I;m not sure we can win on this. You\nunderstand.\nK: Sure.\nL: We will have Scoop Jackson when we need him.\nK: He won't object to our program.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nAuspitz/Kissinger\n9:50 am 2/26/70\ndon't\nK: I am calling about that Ripon Society piece on Biafra. Ixadak\nknow\nif\nyou\ncan talk about it\nA: It's based on Chris Beale's article.\nK: Where did he get it?\nA: He spoke to people during the first 10 days. He had an hour with Bruebeck,\nand hour with somebody else on Burebeck's staff. I talked to Ruser and Hastings\nand then it's the public record. I undertand from Chris that as a result of my\ntalk with them they came to the conclusion that secret documents had been released\nto us. There's nox basis for that. Most of the material that is on deep background\nmaterial comes from them. I also heard throught Chris through Roger that\nstate\nsaid\nthere was WH pressure to publish this. In our first conversation\nsaid it was a fight between Brueback and Morris. The theme through the year\nhas been to say a lot but with a lack of institution of it. The Western report\nshows that. No secret documents were passed. They themselves would have\ncome to the conclusion since their briefings when they weren't leveling with us\nsince they couldn't dissuade us they felt there must be other sources of information.\nTheir press man said he thought we were being used. And the conclusion\nK: Could I say this to Richardson?\nA: I will write him a letter. We are giving Richardson a cover for reply before\npublishing a longer one. When I called Will up\nK: Richardson has been fair and decent about the thing.\nA: I called Chriss up 3 times and said he was not being well served and he\nshould inquire what information he has. I don't know if Richardson has read\nthe piece or the letters from Hastings and Bruebeck. They give me criticism\nwithout a reply.\nK: I appreciate your talking SO frankly and keep me posted.\nA: let me make sure I will send a copy of the letters and those two things over\nto you. Do you want me to write Richardson?\nK: I think that would be nice. Tell him roughly what you told me and on what you\nbased your conclusions. If it was correct that there was no WH pressure, that\nwould help.\nA: May I cite this conversation?\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n-2-\nK: Of course.\nA: I will send it off today special dellare delivery.\nK\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nSulzberger/Kissinger\n10:50 am 2/26/70\nK: The President would like to see you about 4:30 for about 15 mins.\nS: Anything is better than nothing. Shoud I come to your office first?\nK: Yes, a few minutes early, and I will bring you up.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelcon\nUnder Sec Richardson\n2/26/70; 11:00 a.m.\nK: I have talked to Lee Ouspitz of the Ripon Society. I am reasonably\nsure on the basis of my conversation, which I am having typed and\nwill let you read when I see you, that whatever official information\nhe got, he got out of State.\nR: That doesn't wash in the light of the conversations we had with\nhim a week or so ago which we thought had convinced him this article\nshould not be published. Then coming back to us this week saying his\noriginal sources convinced him that the story should be published.\nK: Morris says he has never talked to Lee Quspitz. He has talked\nto Beal but everyone claims that Brubeck and\nhave done\nmost of the talking to him.\nR: But only after we were aware of the story. They sent us a story in\ntype.\nK: They got briefed February 13. He says that after he analyzed the\nbriefing he concluded he wasn't being told the full truth.\nR: What we did at the briefing, so-called, we gave him was an attempt\nto correct distortions in the original article which was given to us.\nK: I will let you see a memo he sent Morris for me which I have just\nhad and I will let you see the telephone conversation with Ouspitz.\nYou can see from the conversation I did not lead Ouspitz. I just\nwanted to get to the bottom of the thing. I did not tell him I am\noutraged at this charge or anything like that.\nR: It is quite clear from his presentation on Tuesday of this week.\nK/ Were you at that presentation or do you depend on staff people?\nR: I depended on Will Hasgings. That he checked the original briefing\nwith someone at the White House.\nK: Yes. Well did he claim he checked it against published sources?\nR: That's not possible, I don't think. There are for example on\npage 4.\nK: I haven't read the damn thing yet.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n-2-\nR: It may well be one of those things we just don't get resolved.\nK: Here, I have it in front of me now. Page 4. I do know this,\nEliot, which I did not talk to you about at the time. The President\nasked me to call Senator Kennedy at the end of January to tell him\nwe were doing everything we were doing - on whatever the day of\nthe State of the Union Address was. On that occasion Kennedy had\nbefore him a whole batch of State cables which he was citing to me.\nR: Yes, somebody turned them over. We have found this out.\nK: That he certainly did not get from us.\nR: It is possible somebody down the line in State gave it to him.\nK: What do you think on page 4?\n(Long pause)\nR: There are a couple of statements there which\nNo, I withdraw\nthat. There are references to a Western memorandum of January\n14 to the White House.\nK: Where is that? Is that the one under the heading Insubordinate\nDelay?\nR: I am looking for it.\nK: There was one Western memorandum to the White House.\nR: It is in the beginning right after \"Biafran resistance collapsed\nJanuary 14 11 This was I believe the memo to the White House.\nYou remember about that time there was a meeting called for with\nWestern and others from the Communicable Diseases Center in\nAtlanta which we only heard about.\nK: Yes, but since then I am told that they were incorrectly informed\nand you acknowledged that. That your people were fully informed\nof this.\nR: I thought we were only informed about it after it had been set\nup and we then asked to be present.\nK: My understanding is that you were informed.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n-3-\nR: It may be. I daxxx did not know we were.\nK: At any rate you know I was told he was in town and would I\nsee him. I only saw him for 20 minutes and Ferguson was invited\nto sit in.\nR: I thought that was after we had heard about it. The chronology\nof the handling of the Western report here has elements which I\ndon't see. Somebody was obviously doing a lot of talking.\nK: I have the chronology here with Morris. Morris marked the one\nTuesday headed Subordinate Delays.\nR: We dooxxx did not even know about this article until it was in type.\nWe first heard of it on Feb 12 when Ouspitz delivered the original\neditorial and the Beal article. On Feb 13, the next day, we gave a\nbriefing on the facts to Beal and j Ouspitz. The copy I have here\nis the original copy which they gave us on the 12th. All of thet\ninformation was in there then. They certainly did not get it from us.\nCertainly not from any of the people who briefed them on the 13th.\nIt was already in type.\nK: Yes. Well I don't know anything about this. I will go back and\ninquire.\nR: We have done the best we could at this end but at any rate it is\nthe very clear conclusion of Hastings, in whom I have total confidence.\nI brought him down here with me and he was primarily responsible\nfor setting up the meeting on the 13th. Hethought that as the result of that\nmeeting that Quspitz had been persuaded to withdraw the article\nentirely. He told me this at the end of the day. Then Ouspitz came\nback and in effect said, except for Quspitz' perception of some\nunnamed official's deep and bitter feeling this is Ouspitz' words -\nas to State's insubordination, picked up by reading some selected\ncables, he had again withdrawn and revised\nthe article. There is the problem of the original leaks on which the\narticle was based but then the evident reinforcement of Ouspitz'\nconclusions based on talking to somebody the Febox 2 xxixixex\nwhich the Feb 13 briefing\nK: When you come over I will let you see the telephone conversation\nwith Ouspitz.\nR: OK. I may have to back out of lunch depending on the Secretary's\nplans. I may have to call you at the last minute.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n$\n-4-\nK: The President if thinking that we ought to give a background\nbriefing on Laos and say what the facts are and why we are doing\nwhat we are doing. He thinks Sullivan ought to do it.\nR: Not Sullivan, but Jonathan or Green because Sullivan doesn't\nhave that much to do with Laos.\nK: Yes, but we don't want to get stuck with everying as if it had\nbeen invented in this Administration. I told the President I would\nget a specific proposal to him by 2:00.\nR: OK. I will get to work on it right away.\nms\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nElliot Richardson\n2/26/70 2:35 p.m.\nR: On the backgrounder, I have just been in a session with Rogers\nand Green and Sullivan and Johathan. The Secretary is very much\nagainst backgrounding. He asked me to call you.\nK: Who, the Secretary?\nR: Yes, he thinks important considerations make it not a good idea.\nFor one thing, the Senate Foreign Relations Committee is pushing hard\non Katerial for hearings. We, in this building, would like to release\nmore than Ehrlichman'e committee probably would\nK: That's a very strong point.\nR: I think so too; I hadn't thought of it. He's like to reppen the\nquestion of how much we can or should release. We think, or I am\ntold by Marshall, and Johathan, that in Volume I of the task force,\nthe Senate makes\na good case for what we are getting with marginal\nsupplementation to the effect that nothing has changed. It might reduce\nthe strain on relations with the committee at some time as providing\na means of furnishing a backgrounder.\nK: We could provide backgrounding information and simultaneously\nlet go the\npart of the testimony.\nR: If we had an edited version of what is going to be released, we\ncould supply this simultaneously.\nK: When?\nR: I don't know.\nK: Could you send over what you want to release and I'll get you\nan answer?\nR: Fine, I'll do that.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nDo rynin/Kissinger\n3:45 pm\n2/26/70\nK: I promised you a little explanation of one of our programs. If you are\ninterested I could do it next week. Tuesday at 11:30. Come where you usually\ncome -- diplomatic room\nD: That will be fine. It's important.\nK: I will explain the reasoning and character.\nD: Tuesday, 11:30 as uaual.\nK: I WX look forward to seeing you.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nSymington/Kissinger\n3:55 pm\n2/26/70\n(This conversation may seem somewhat incoherent as the notetaker could\nbarely hear the Senator)\nS: They have held the Laotian hearings up for 4 months because they didn't\nwant anything about our planes operating on the Plains des Jars even though\nthe papers have been saying we are doing it. Now Goldwater says, and I\nfeel, that everybody knows we are doing it. We had our meeting and McCloskey\nblew the fact that we had it. I told you that.\nK: What meeting?\nS: The meeting with the President. I can't enter axxixoxix subcommittee --\nI do my best to cooperate. Now ???? on their next trip to Europe and\nthe M. E. thexMxxE. we can't tell anything about any nuclear weapons. I can\nsay I have been to a country near Russia that has pilots ?????\nK: What's the point?\nS: They won;t give us the information. But when I go out as a member of\nthe Armed Services Committee and get full ifformation.\nsaid something\nabout conventional weapons. He said he couldn't talk about it. I went to\nDefense and State. In an executive session, if you can't talk about what's\ngoing on, we might as well resign. Fulbright isn't to fool with. I wrote\nRogers and said this should be out. The people know we are up north. People\nwrite us asking about their sons. The only people who know anything on\nLaos are Republicans. I told Stevenson that if they think they can make a\nfool of my, they are fooling with the wrong person. My only interest is to\nget the truth to the people.\nK: You are an honorable man.\nS: The President made a statement on Nov. 3 that the people won't support\na war they know nothing about. Now they are leaking information on the floor\nof the Senate.\nK: Let me work into this and get back to you.\nS: I haven't received any word from Rogers in three weeks. Everything is\nbeing quietly put out because we don't want to\nK: I will call you within a week.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nMrs. Hunebelle\n2/27/70 9:30 a.m.\nH: I am deeply sorry for what happened last night.\nK: I understand, but I hope you understood I couldn't leave the room.\nH: I have been deceived by these people. I did my best to assure\nthat everything would be in order.\nK: Well, I was told it was a stag dinner, and only those women who\nbroadcast in Washington were permitted to come.\nH: They told me everything was in order. I've been deceived by them.\nK: I don't blame you. I just want you to understand.\nH: I would like to see you.\nK: Sure, how about at 3:00.\nH: 3:00 is okay for you?\nK: Yes.\nH: Okay, I'll be there.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nH. Klein/Kissinger\n9:50 2/27/70\nK: I had a call from the editor of the Chicago Daily News. We have a\ngrowing problem on Pompidou because the State Dept. cut Daly out of the\naklixis affairs and so Daly has said he will be out of town. I thought we\ncould ask Rogers to call him.\nKAK: I called Daly last week for the President and he refused.\nK: I didn't know that. Would the Rogers thing be useless?\nHAK: Probably but it would be fine.\nK: State screwed it up.\nHAK: He was looking for a pretext.\nK: VXLX Should I call Rogers or will you.\nHAK : You do it.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nAtty. Gen. /Kissinger\n9:55 am\n2/27/70\nK: We are having a meeting at 4:00 on public information policy. The\nPresident wants me to me et with you because Rogers has his views again.\nAG: On what?\nK: Public statement on Laos.\nAG: * Good. What is your schedule? Would you want to do it just before\nthe 4:00 meeting?\nK; About 3:30?\nAG; I will see you then\nK: Let me tell you briefly. We wanted to say something because we wanted\nto avoid a creditibility gap. Some people thought I should give a backgøounder.\nThe the President thought State should do it. Rogers wants to let Symington\nrelease his testimony. That's what he has wanted to do all along. That means\nan unfriendly committee would release the story and we would lose control.\nAG: Not only would you get an unfavorable story but it would be what they want.\nK: We should have State or someone put out a statement on what we are doing\nand then put out parts of the Symington report that coindide.\nAG: More important is the control. But why the Symington hearings.\nK: That's Laos.\nAG: I know but it would be better to let the statement go out and skip Symington.\nK: But Symington will say here you have put it out at a backgrounder.\nAG: But that doesn't give him license to break the agreement.\nK: I agree. Symington called me and expressed disapproval on McClintock.\nHe is screaming about a lot of things and raised this.\nAG: He is trying to break the agreement with the President. If he gets\nany license we will loose the whole battle up there.\nK: That's what I think.\nAG: It should be on a controlled basis by State or Defense.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nAtty. Gen. /Kissinger\n9:55 am\n2/27/70\n-2-\nK: State wanted control when they were going well.\nAG: On what Fulbright said he knows how the Ambassador over there is\nfunctioning.\nK: This is the basic issue and I can't add much to it. The President wants\nto avoid the Symington group and he asked that we XXXXX get a controlled\nState release. Then he won't have to play it down.\nAG: I will. Then we don't have to meet later in the day. Keep me informed\nif anything comes up during the day.\nK: I will.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nFentress/Kissinger\n11:00 am\n2/27/70\nK: I was thinking about our conversation afterwards and I didn't want you to\nthink I was pollyannish and I think you understood. On Vietnam\nF: I didn't think that.\nK: When it breaks it will come quickly. If what we think is true, then it\nthe process at some point.\nF: Anything change on the M. E. because of this visit? Any hopeful signs?\nK: No. The French aren't our problem inthe M.E.\nF: I know but they are not helping. Nothing really has changed on their part.\nTheir basic attitude is till the same.\nK: YYou would have to define basic attitude. We don't pretend to have agreement\nF: I read you clearly on VN\nM: I didn't want the impression that I was promising a solution in 6 months.\nF: You didn't.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nShriver/Kissinger\n11:15 am\n2/27/70\nK: I screwed up an appointment for you this morning.\nS: The President said he wanted to see me.\nwe\nK: He wanted to see you at 10:30. The upstairs office thought yxcx1x had\ncalled and vice versa. I have set it for 3:15 this afternoon.\nS: That's OK. So long as he understand it wasn't me.\nK: He is used to my screwing things up. I think the visit went very well.\nS: The newspapers didn't say there was very much\nK: The newspapers keep asking if we changed their M.E. policy. we sound\nas if we were in combat with them.\nS: I said when I came back to Paris that unless deGaulle wore sackcloth and\nashes and re-joined NATO, they would say there was no change.\n(mty. was beld at 2:45)\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nMayor Daly/Kissinger\n12:10 pm\n2/27/70\nD: I just wanted to tell you I will be at the airport to meet Pompidou. I have\ngive a lot of thought to what you said. We will always welcome anyone coming\nto our city. And EXEXPX especially with the President requesting our assistance\nK: On behalf of the President, I knowHE will appreciate it.\nD: I have never snubbed anyone and especially now with the President intereste\nand trying to do all he can for international relations.\nK: You are a patriot and a gentleman.\nD: I just wanted you to know.\nK: Thank you.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nSidey/Kissinger\n12:55 pm\n2/27/70\nS: I hate to bother you.\nK: You never bother me.\nS: We have a magazine production problem. We have a gate-fold cover\nnext week. We are interested in Laos. The TIME. I've told them it's\nimpossible to know if they will go further.\nK: That's absolutely right. Up to now they are up to their limit. If they\ngo further we are in a new ball game.\nS: I'ts still a little early to tell what the intent is?\nK: Yes.\nS: What happens if they move beyond? Then you have to move beyond, I\nguess. Any attention being given to it today?\nK: We are watching it carefully.\nS: A major factor?\nK: Medium.\nS: What about on the Hill? The politics x up there?\nK: I think so. They want us to be specific. You know we have no division\nstanding by to shoot in there. It's absurd.\nOf course not.\nS:/ We;ll just have to wait.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nLucet/Kissinger\n1:10 pm\n2/27/70\nK: How is everything going?\nL: Very well.\nK: I wanted to tell you and I would appreciate itf if you would tell the President.\nI have just talked with Mayor Daly in Chicago and he will be meeting the\nPresident at the airport.\nL: I appreciate it very much.\nK: Not at all.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nBryce Harlow\n2/27/200 1:50 p.m.\nH: On the Laos thing, on the backgrounder, I trust State to do\nthat just like I trust you to have breakfast with Rowland Evans.\nK: You think I should do it?\nH: No, but I think that a State guy and an appropriate Defense\nman should be there, and have them watch each other, and listen and\ncorrect while the briefing is going on SO we won't have to correct it\nlater, and the appropriate fellow from your complex, not yourself.\nK: Why don't you come?\nH: Okay, and then the committee is armed on how to get\ntranscripts released.\nK: Okay. I've got somebody with me Bryce, I'll call you later.\nH: Okay.\nK: But come at 4:00.\nH: Okay.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nRogers/Kissinger\n2:40 pm\n2/27/70\nK: On that Laos things we are meeting on, it may be that the President will\nbe a little delayed and he wants us to go without him and W&X see where we\nare when he can join us. Your basic biew by way of the Symington committee\nR: I want to know what the President wants and we should have someone\nrunning this thing.\nK: The Symington thing? He doesn't want to do it this time/\nR: I want to do it this time.\nK: He wants to discuss the public statement on Laos.\nR: Thet's the Symington problem.\nK: On one level. But he wants to discuss on how to get through the immediate\nperiod. De we declassify the Symington stuff or what? We will thrash it\nout at the meeting.\nR: He should be there.\nK: I will come but he just wanted to see if we can get some agreement.\nR: There has been so much said and he is not briefed on it. It's building\nup on the Hill. Everything has been briefed before the Symington thing.\nWhat do we do about disclosure? The newspapers are all after us. When\nI was up on the Hill the House only asked about that. I've had 3 calls from\n(Fulbright or Mansfield) and 2 from Symington. It's\nbuilding up to what Lyndon Johnson had. The President has to sit in and make\nthe decision. The credibility\nK: That's what he wants to do.\nR: I don't want to come until he is there. He has said in his press conferences\nthat he will not discbose anything else. He has to make a decision.\nK: Right. All the principals will be there.\nR: I don't care about talking to Lincoln. I want to talk to the President.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelcon\nSecy Rogers\n2/27/70; 2:50 p.m.\nR: It occurred to me, if the President is not going to be there why\ndon't we cancel the meeting? I don't want to come if he isn't going\nto be there.\nK: I am trying to straighten that out. I will call you back. All the\nothers have been asked to come. Before we cancel I just want to\ngive him the choice, but I will convey that thought.\nR: OK\nms\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nPresident/Kissinger\n6:45 pm\n2/27/70\nP: Who are members of the 4-power thing?\nK: There are control people. Great Britain and the Soviet Union are co-\nchairmen.\nP: I never believe in responding to things in a defensive say. How about\na letter to the co-chairmenk. Of course, they have to react. You just\nsimply say that here's the situation and this is it. I think it's good to find\na way, not because of a query, but because of a foreign policy initiative.\n? ? ? ? ? ? ? it has been violated and we are concerned with NVN troops\nthere. Get the point?\nK: Very well.\nP: I would call Dobrynin in before and not to put him on the spot but just\nSO he understands. It puts the bhame on them. \"Here's what we have done\nand are doing. 11 Or perhaps a letter to Souvanna Pouma.\nK: I think the meeting went well.\nP: It ended up at my desk.\nK: That's what made it so good.\nP: On the other hand it was important not to let Symington put it out and\nStennis would have quit.\nK: I think you should write a letter\nP: I'm not going to do it on TV. I don't want to put that much importance on\nit. Release it and let them talk about it.\nK: Write a letter to the 2 co-chairmen on grounds of the offensive. Ask them\nto help in support\nP: I want to be candid.\nBy NARA, 8/20/2012\nJUS\nK: I wouldn't do that. Release the letter to the Soviets and then to the\nDER RAC REVIEW 6/12/2008\nE.O. 13526, Section 3.5\nAmerican people say this is what I have done and here's the background over\nDECLASSIFIED\nthe years. I'm afraid that if you tell the Soviets\nDate\nP: It will put them on the spot\nK: If you appeal in light of NVN offensive and ? ? ? ? ? softening the\ncharge and making it easier. You almost have to clobber them.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nPresident/Kissinger\n6:45 pm\n2/27/70\n- 2 1\nP: Write the letter and ask them to get together.\nK: Ask them to support the Accords. Then to the American people say\nyou have written to the Soviets and say, so you will have the facts I am\nlisting both sides of what has been going on.\nP: The main thing is to nail this -- Kennedy did this, and Kennedy did that\nK: And get Harriman in there.\nP: More Harriman then Kennedy. I will say that they® ve stepped up from\n40 to 70 thousand. Just like that\nK: I will have a draft by Mondoy noon.\nP: Check with the others. They will have some ideas. The idea of the letter\nto the two co-chairmen\nK: The NVN offensive and what you are doing to stop it.\nP: And parenthetically say what we are doing\nK: Because you are always candid. I agree completely.\nP: The good thing about this meeting -- Mel certainly stood up and he was\nright and I think we got Rogers around a bit.\nK: It got him off Symington.\nP: I'm going to ignore Symington.\nK: It would be unfortunate if the loyal people like Stennis\nP: Be sure you have Laird's copies. Don't make it a long paper. It's\nnot to be an extended statement. I will do the writing finally.\nK: I will have it for you -- as in the Nov. 3 speech, I will give you a\nsuggested draft with the suggestions fromthe Depts. 5-10 mins. if you\nread it.\nP: I don't want to read it. We don't have to explain. Bill was wrong. That\nwould excalate it. It's a Washington story -- people in Oklahoma know\nnothing about Laos.\nK: And you should not be on TV talking about wars all the time.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n[...\n,\nPresident/Ksisinger\n6:45 pm\n2/27/70\n- -3-\nP: ? ? ? Doing it in a low key in non-combatitive way that we want to\nmake clear we have no combat forces in Laos. No one cares about 52\nstrikes in Laos. But people worry about our boys there.\nK: That's what's the problem with CIA.\nP: We won't mention that. We will put out a silly x figure and they are\nthere - - I'll have to fuz their capacity. Non-combative and none killed.\nThat's the only way you can show they are non-combat.\nK: We will have it for you.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified."
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