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Rogers/Kissinger 7:00 p.m. 4-9-70 - 2 - R: It will be interesting to see if there is a change of government. It could happen after Lenin's birthday. K: Told Ted Eliot the President asked me to go up to Camp David to make Brandt feel good. He had Mosbacher there. It was a murderous helicopter ride. (Brandt) gave me a list of things he is going to discuss - mutual balanced force reductions. R: I think we ought to encourage that. K: We should do careful preparation. R: We have to see a little more. The Soviet Union won't have anything to do with it. The Soviet Union won't enter into discussions about it. The Germans have the idea we are it. K: Bahr came in the other day. R: I think the President should emphasize to Brandt this is a program we are for. If we do this and it doesn't work we can keep troops there (? ). Otherwise the Mansfield thing will carry through. K: The President is going along with lines of the memo you sent. R: How is his frame of mind? K: Apathy and . R: See you tomorrow.

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