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    "ocrText": "Telcon\nThe President\nOctober 12, 1970; 6:10 p.m.\nP: Did Bob reach you on the plane? I just thought this wasn't exactly\nthe right way to do this. I like the idea of putting it in the NSC context.\nLet's do it in the whole Council. Remember we presented the problem\nbefore the Council; let's present this to the Council in the same general\ncontext. Then we have a good record. I think your idea of having Haig\ngo around and present pictures is good because then the Churches and\nother people can see there is nothing there.\nK: I will go to Laird and Rogers.\nP: Yes. Remember we shouldn't go about talking to Rogers; that\nwouldn't be fair to Laird.\nK: Laird is dieing to leak this. His intelligence picked them up on the\nhigh seas.\nP: Tell him to hold it.\nK: I have already told him to hold it.\ned\nP: That will really hurt us with the Russians because they play fair with\nus on this and whenever they play fair with us we must play fair with them.\nI think they have some sense of propriety.\nK: We must not make it public that we faced them down.\nP: Therefore we must not puff in public, but the fact is that they are gone\nnow. Tell Laird, mum's the word unless you think we should meet\ntomorrow.\nK: I don't think that is necessary. I can work with Alex Johnson tomorrow\nto pass some guidance for the press.\nP: Let's get the guidance now and everybody sits with it. We will make\nLaird swear on the Bible on it. I like doing it in an orderly way. Much\nbetter than off in left field because Laird has to know what is going on.\nK: Joe Alsop was moved to tears by your phone call. He was in tears.\nI don't know what you said to him.\nP: I said I hope the next 60 years were as good as the last and the country\nowes him a deep debt for his courage.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelcon - Pres.\n-2-\nK: He said he wanted me to know he was not a man given to emotion,\nbut nothing has moved him so much and it was the most beautiful thing\nthat could have happened to him. He is a great patriot.\nP: He stood with us when all his friends were running.\nK: Absolutely. It is fascinating to see how almost everyone now admits\nthe Cambodia thing was right.\nP: How did your talks go?\nK: I think they were very well.\nP: You disarmed them completely. Everyone when they dax came through\nthe line was ecstatic - and this is New England.\nK: They had Crocker Snow who usedito be a student of mine and who is\nwith the Boston Globe. He used to write how we had divided the country.\nHe said today the academics are ready to come back into the fold, are\nyou going to listen to them? He has a son who is on the editorial page\nof the (New York Times ?).\nP: Good, we will have to use him.\nK: If we compare todaysquestions with July 1, all the questions were\nenormously respectful and people asking set-up questions, like \"you\ncouldn't have done it in Jordan unless you did what you did in Cambodia. LE\nP: Did *hak they ask that? Good.\nK: Howard came up to Sisco afterwards and said, if you bring domestic\npolicy up to the level of foreign policy we have to quit.\nP: Did Sisco do well?\nK: He did a good solid job.\nP: After I come in cold to those I don't know what you said.\nK: Well, you did just what was right. You paralleled me on a few things\nthat had already been said, but I think that is good to show this is your\nphilosophy and not just somebody's construction of it.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelcon - President\n-3-\nP: The US - what it will be like for the next 25 years depends on whether\nwe have the guts, the stamina, the wisdom to exert leadership, will\ndetermine whether the future of the country\nthat is really what the\nfacts are. People may want to put their heads in the sand; they may\nwant to clean up the ghettos. All right, we will get out of the world.\nWho is left? The two activists, Russia and Communist China.\nK: If you will look at countries like Austria. When they had great political\npower they also did great things domestically. Now they are just shrunk\ninto weak petty countries.\nP: All these people are concerned about peace in the world. We go to\nthe sidelines and there X are a couple of big boys out there ready to\nplay. - China and Russia. All we are doing is fighting for the right of\ncountries to be free.\nXX\nK: Their conflicts are going to be infinitely more bitter than anything\nwe participate in.\nP: Crawford has a good article in Newsweek. You might take a\nlook at it. Did you hear about the poll. The percentage of approval\nwas 67 and disapproval 25.\nK: Approval of the speech?\nP: a No, approval of the Presidency. It won't be that high by early\nNovember, probably around 60-62. When we were up in Connecticut\nwe had a hell of a reception. These people were all for us. Something\nhas caught on.\nK: The fact that you have held your course. I found that one point that\nwent very well over today was that the President had many easy oppor-\ntunities to yield to popular pressure but he felt that it was important we end\nthe war in Vietnam as a governmental decision and not to yield to the\nvoices in the street. They applauded that. I think it is the fact that you\nhave held your course against the most domestic pressures any President\nhas had to face since the Civil War.\nP: I had an easy option to blame it all on Johnson and get the hell out.\nJust get out and let the country go to hell. Peace in our time, or peace\nfor the next election.\nK: At this party yesterday Tom Braden jumped all over Joe Kraft for\nnot giving you full support in his column. Braden and Mankiewicz are\nwriting a column now supporting you, but it won't appear in the Post.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelcon - President\n-4-\nP: The Post is awful, but they still run Joe Alsop.\nK: They run Alsop because he is the most popular. The Post is an\norgan of the National Democratic Committee.\nP: I told Sulzberger I thought his three editorials were very helpful\nand I hope they were read in Hanoi.\nK: I had a letter from Carl Kaysen who three months ago wrote me\nthe vilest letters about the Administration.\nP: I hope you kept these letters - give me copies. What did he say?\nK: He said \"congratulations to you for your speech last night.\nI was greatly impressed by the cautious and flexible\nlanguage in which the speech was couched.\" He goes on explaining the\nparagraphs he likes. He ends up saying, I trust I can take up your\ninvitation to call on you.\nP: Let me ask you, what do you think we should do on Agnew now, in\na political vein? Some people up there txxlx thought he should continue,\nbut a little more muted.\nK: I think he should mute it now.\nP: I have the same feeling. I think he will look too carping if he continues.\nK: You will remember, I was saying, let him continue when everyone\nwas jumping on him. But I think now he should mute it.\nP: Make this suggestion to Haldeman tomorrow morning. But I don't\nwant him out there still kicking the bones here at a time that. for\nexample, when I got off the plane in Westchester there were 400-500\nBuckley signs, and who was there to meet me but Browny Reed. He\nwas all out for us and hanging on. The son-of-a-gun is scared to death.\nWe have public support we didnt't have before. This is much broader\nthan November 3.\nK: On November 3 you stood against the tide.\nP: Now we have a lot of intellectuals with us.\nK: This speech gave them a good excuse to come over. What made them\nwaver is that Cambodia was obviously working. The success on the Middle\nEast - they don't know how you did it, but you pulled it together. If they\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelcon - President\n-5-\nknew about Cuba, with a much better situation Kennedy came to the\nbrink of war. And we did it with a much more glaring case\nand it hardly raised a ri pple.\nP: That's very important.\nK: At the right moment someone might want to get that out.\nP: At the right moment, yes.\nK: I wonder if we shouldn't tell a few of those Senators who we gave\na briefing. The bare essence of the thing. The people will ascribe\nit to Soviet benevolence.\nP: The thing I think has to be emphasized over and over in our relations\nwith the Soviet is to make the point that the US and the Soviet have\ndiametrically opposing views about the world. They want one thing\nand we want another in the Mideast and Europe, But we have some\nthings in common. So you work it out.\nK: But do it on a realistic basis that you described.\nP: The liberals really believe thatit will be better if we just know each other.\nK: The trouble is not that we don't understand each other, but that we\nunderstand each other too well. What they also don't understand is that the\nCommunists prefer to deal with someone who is unemotional - precise.\nYou can make that point, but I cannot.\nP: How did you do it?\nK: I said we can't deal with them on the basis of psychology. We have to\nbe very precise.\nP: That fitted in well with what I said, didn't it?\nK: What was astonishing today is how you pieked up some of the themes\nI had started and developed them.\nP: Did these guys get the point?\nK: Day, from the Baltimore Sun.\nP: Price Day - I like him. What did he say?\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelcon - President\n-69\nK: He said, I liked the way all these things hung together and you gave\na philosophical\n.\nP: Tomorrow, let Haig do the backgrounder thing, and on Wednesday\nhave a little meeting and you and Alex work up a scenario. The main\nthing is don't embarrass the Russians. We have bigger fish to fry.\nLet me tell you an interesting thing to tell you why we want this summit\nthing. I put a question in the poll taken over the weekend. It would be\nvery good for world peace if the President of the US and Mr. Kosygin\nhad a summit meeting, and some disagree. Do you favor, or not favor?\n76% favor a summit meeting. 18% are against it. Now we are not going\nto tell anybody that. The point is boxx with that kind of\nnumbers it shows you how this kind of announcement made a week\nbefore can have a great effect. If we can get Gromyko when he comes\ndown - that is the way to do it, with Rogers sitting there, you sitting\nthere and Dobrynin - say fine we will have it next week. I think that\nis the way to do it and if that goes that will have a better effect than\nhaving the damn meeting don't you think so?\nK: Of course, it will be the expectation and there couldn't be anything\ngoing wrong yet. And also we will have a club over their heads.\nP: You did a great job today. Ziegler said when Kissinger gets before\nthem it makes all the others look like freshmen.\nms\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nMr. Kissinger/Meg Osmer\n7:05 p.m., October 12, 1970\nO:\nTold Mr. Kissinger that Dr. Stainton, CBS, had called and asked\nfor a print of the show. She asked who the print was for and his\noffice told her it would be given to Mr. Kissinger.\nK:\nAsked if all victims didn't receive copies.\nO:\nThere was a cost of about $200. 00 involved and that this was not\nnormally done, however, Dr. Stainton's office planned to give\nMr. Kissinger a copy free of charge.\nMiss Osmer told Mr. Kissinger that she had had something\nMr. Kissinger said about the children deleted after thinking about\nthe impact it would have on the children.\nK:\nMr. Kissinger expressed his appreciation and complimented her\non the sensitivity with which she had handled the job.\nO:\nThe part about you and Rogers is wonderful. There is a comment\nmade before saying that you deny allegations made about you and\nRogers, and we let you get away with it.\nK:\nAsked when she was coming down.\nO:\nSoon, got a whole list of all those questions to be answered but\nsaid that she was not providing them ahead of time because she didn't\nwant him to be prepared but now that Dr. Stainton had taken away\nthe [privilege] of delivering the print, she would bring those of the\nchildren.\nK:\nSaid he was much more interested in those.\nO:\nGot all your pictures together.\nK:\nDid you use the one with Mrs. Freeman?\nO:\nNo, we used the one with the elderly lady (Alice Longworth ?). We\nused Jill St. John and Shirley MacLaine. They will be on the screen\nonly a second. We did not use Gloria and Nancy.\nK:\nSaid he didn't really care about Gloria but he appreciated that they\ndidn't use Nancy.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nMr. Kissinger/Meg Osmer\n7:05 p.m., October 12, 1970 -- - - page 2\nK:\nInterested in what Prof. Shilling has to say.\nO:\nYou will find it very interesting. We used quite a bit of it. He\ntalked about your coming back to Harvard, we didn't use any of\nthat -- takes so much time to make it understandable,\nCalled you ahead of time to see if you would be talking to me.\nNext time we will do an hour. Asked about his leaving on the\n15th of October.\nK:\nAsked about her coming on Wednesday.\nO:\nGoing to the Wallaces -- Mrs. Wallace has invited me to dinner.\nWill have to try the next week.\nK:\nNext week, I will be on the West Coast -- have to keep up my contacts.\nHave to give a talk out there -- just there for a day and a half.\nwgh\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nMr. Kissinger/Prof. Yoshida\n7:55 p.m., October 12, 1970\nY:\nDid you meet our representative?\nK:\nI met him just for the beginning of the meeting to express my\nfriend's interest. I have just met now with my representative\nwho was present.\nY:\nYes.\nK:\nMy staff member tells me there was next to no move on your part\nnext to last June.\nY:\nI see. Your progress?\nK:\nNot at all, practically none. Don't think we are going to be\nauthorized to proceed much further this way.\nY:\nThat's too bad. I am going to meet my friend on this side, say\nshortly, in the next three hours I am going -- I'll try to talk with\nhim about this matter. How does your friend feel about this\nmatter.\nK:\nMy friend feels, you know how my friend feels -- there is an\nunderstanding and it hasn't been realized but above all if you do\nsomething, then we can avoid the legislation. If not, we may be\nforced.\nY:\nThat's right, what is the prospect of the decision?\nK:\nPractically certain unless we veto it.\nY:\nHow soon?\nK:\nAbout November 15th.\nY:\nNovember 15?\nK:\nYes.\nY:\nThat's very -- very serious for both of us. And you think that\nunless my friend will meet your friend it is not -- you need\nsomething concrete.\nK:\nMy friend will not raise the issue.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nPage 2\nMr. Kissinger/Prof. Yoshida\n7:55 p.m., October 12, 1970\nY:\nThe action has to be taken from our side?\nK:\nThere is no sense in discussing unless there can be some agreement.\nWill just make things difficult.\nY:\nOur representative you met today did not propose something concrete\nthat has some substantial progress?\nK:\nI have not actually read the book. My staff member who attended\nthe meeting was just in my office. He said there is practically no\ndifference of what was said today and what was said in June but not\nenought for us to got against the legislation.\nY:\nI am not really an expert on the subject could you tell me again\nabout the minimum requirements on your part.\nK:\nMy staff member has it have asked him to write it up for me but\nI don't have it here.\nY:\nTonight?\nK:\nI am not going to be here, will get my staff member or Haig to call\nyou.\nY:\nWould you get it done by your staff and let Mr. Haig call me at my\noffice as soon as possible?\nK:\nAll right, I will do that within the next hour.\nY:\nThat will be fine, let me have Haig back so that I could tell him\nthe exact number where I could be reached? As soon as I get word\nfrom Haig, I will meet my friend.\nH:\n(came on the line)\nY:\n354-2733 that is my office number as you know.\nH:\nI will do that within an hour.\nwgh\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nMr. Kissinger\nDon Rumsfeld\n10/12/70; 8:15 p.m.\nR: Someone in my shop is trying to hire someone from your shop.\nK: Over my dead body!\nR: That's what I thought. Let's try to trace some history -- I remember\nyou said the world would fall apart if we hired that other guy. This guy's\nname is Bob Sansom.\nK: He is the other guy's second man. He is Larry Lynn's second man.\nR: Is that right! What does that say about my recruiters -- they have\nsuperb\nK: It's the one irreplaceable shop I have -- did all the analytical work\non which the ceasefire is based. Has he said he would take it?\nR: No.\nK: He would not leave me he wants to be with a maniacal boss; you\nare tookind. I don't want to lose him.\nR: John W\nwants to make Sansom head of our research for\nOEO. What if he wants to leave?\nK: Listen, I don't believe in giving my people a free choice (laughter).\nLet me talk to Haig -- can I call you in 24 hours. If it is really a\npromotion I won't stand in his way. I will blackmail him in other ways.\nBut, there is something about the Air force.\nR: We have our whole staff ready for Tuesday night. Don't tell me\nyou don't know what is going on Tuesday night! !\nK: I have my whole staff ready, too!\nfeg\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nBob Finch\n10/13/70 8:40 a. m.\nK: I am somewhat concerned about not appearing in a purely\npolitical role, and that person who called me knew exactly what it\nwas, which I didn't. It's in Chasen's restaurant.\nF: No, it's in a back room there.\nK: I know the purpose, but I think it will hurt my effectiveness\nif I appeared in a purely political role.\nF: Yes, but we made it clear that it was not to be a purely\npolitical role. The invitations\nand the group\nIt is not a\nfund raiser. Murphy will not be there\nK: Oh he will not? That helps.\nF: And there will be no pitch for money. It's just the President\nhas asked a friend to give a backgrounder on the Middle East.\nK: Who is coming?\nF: Ted Cummings\nK: Who is he?\nF: He has an enormous chain of markets and three hospitals- a\ngreat benefactor to the area.\nK: And that's for lunch on Tuesday?\nF: Yes, and the Los Angeles Times wanted you for a backgrounder.\nK: And you'll arrange that?\nF: Yes.\nK: For around 4:30 or 5:00.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nAlex Johnson\n10/13/70 8:45 a. m.\nK: The President wanted me to have a meeting about\njustto\nwrap up the Cuban thing with that working group this morning.\nJ: All right. The problem is we have the Fascell hearings at\n10:00 this morning. We were going to send Bob Hurwitch. What can\nBob say this morning? I've seen these tickets at Tass.\nK: This is why it's essential to get together- at 10:00. Tell him\nto hold off if he possible can,\nJ: Can we say that we will be prepared to speak to this subject\nthis afternoon?\nK: I'd like to hold that open till we have the meeting. We may\ncome to that conclusion but it s a matter of some delicacy. It's not\npossible to say that at this point we'll for sure have something after\nthe meeting to say.\nI wouldn't want to say that without consulting\nwhite with you first. You'll see why.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nSecretary Laird\n10/13/70 8:50 a. m.\nK: I wanted to get a few people together at the direction of the\nPresident this morning to work out some guidance on the Cuban business.\nDave is out of town?\nL: Yes, till this afternoon.\nK: Is there anyone else who can work on that?\nL: I haven't brought a lot of people into it--we've held if pretty\nclosely.\nK: I was going to hold it at 10:00 this mornihg. That's a Tass\nstatement now, as Dobrynin told me there would be. I think we'll\nhave a lot of questions about it.\nL: I told them yesterday that we'd give them an update on Wed-\nnesday or Thurslay. We thought we would give them not only Soviet\nnaval activity in the Caribbean but the Mediterranean also at the same\ntime.\nK: I'm wondering if in a low-key way you shouldn't drop it out\nat the Pentagon today that the ships have left. Can you come to the\nmeeting?\nL: Yes, I'll come if you need me.\nK: Good, and bring any military man of your choice.\nWhy don't\nyou bring Zumwalt?\nL: Either Zumwalt or John Vogt.\nK: Okay, it's up to you.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nOtis Chandler/Kissinger\n11:10 a.m.\n10/13/70\nCh: I was just calling to see if you would have anytime at all when you are out\nour way next week.\nK: I am giving a talk at a lunch to some of the President's friends, strictly\nnon-political.\nC: What's your schedule?\nK: I could do it at 4:30 or 5:00 in the afternoon.\nC: Let's plan on that. Come into my office on the second floor and I will have\na few senior guys. See you then.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nPierpoint/Kissinger\n12:21 p.m.\n10/13/70\nP: Can we talk on a background basis?\nK: Wait a second.\nP: I would like to ask you how seriously to take the Soviet denial of missile\nbases since Gromyko told Kennedy they wouldn't put missiles in there.\nstatements\nK: There will be/from the Departments today that give facts about Soviet\nship movements. We are watching it. For your own information, for deep\nbackground, x some of the ships we were most concerned about left the port.\nP: So our warning did good.\nK: No, the ships could have constituted a base -- repair ships.\nP: So because of our warning they may decide to live up to the '62.\nK: It couldn't have hurt.\nP: Good point.\nK: We are not out of the woods yet because shore installations are there.\nBut the ships are gone. Don't ascribe this to the WH.\nP: On my own. I understand that.\nK: Don't put in those actions that said there was nothing there. We would not\nhave spoken as we did.\nP: Your debut is tonight?\nK: It all happened before I lost weight so my vanity is don't worry about\nyour jov.\nP: They say accents are charming on the air. I will use this but not attribute\nit in any way.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nHarold Gibbons/Kissinger\n12:26 p.m.\n10/13/70\nK: Are you here to intimidate the poor academics?\nG: I am here for teamsters. I am here today or tomorrow. If you are free\nI will join you for lunch tomorrow.\nK: I would love to see you. I've got Dewey and Clay coming in. How about\nbreakfast?\nG: Or a drink?\nK: At 8:30 -- no I have the NSC tomorrow. Or a drink in the late after noon.\nG: That's better.\nK: How about 6:30 or 7:00?\nG: That would be better. I may have gone by that time tomorrow.\nK: Come by about 7:00.\nG: Where are you?\nK: IN the West Wing of the WH.\nG: I will come by at 7:00.\nK: I will have half an hour.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nAlbert Wolstader/Mr. Kissinger\nOctober 13, 1970 12:30 p.m.\njlj\nW: I am working very hard on trying to get the memorandum you wanted.\nI assume what you need now is something for a meeting on this of the\nVerification Panel on Friday.\nK: Monday\nW: Monday. Cy Weiss (phonetic), who will also talk with Irwin. I have\nasked him to come here tonight so I can be up todate.\nK: Where is here?\nW: He is in Washington. I am in Chicago. He can take it back and will\ntry to get it to you personally before [the meeting].\nK: Good. I do not want this staffed out all over the State Department\nbefore I have had a chance to read it.\nW: Only person who knows is Cy and I think you can trust him completely.\nAnd I have tested him. There is a 40 page back up which still needs some\nchecking out. I assume you do not have need for that now.\nK: I skim things like that.\nW: This is not typed. It is very rough.\nK: I would not hold it up for that.\nW: I have looked very carefully[at this question and I think you have the ]\noccasion for making a change. A lot of people who are [uptight about\nthis issue are] uncomfortable about options\nas they are now.\nYou are busy trying to extracate us from Vietnam. Think this is only\nof the 2nd order. I want to help you in getting out KIXIX administratively\nfrom the clutches of the bureaucracy.\nK: Thank you.\nThere is something I want to talk to you about. But we\nW: /WX will talk about it at another point.\nK: Like what?\nW: Some sorts (?) of arguments made last Spring. Had no basis at all.\nI really had worked out [a list of arguments]. We should make damn sure\nthat there is a list of concise statement for you. I will be in town next week.\nK: I will make an effort.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nBlount/Kissinger\n3:37 p.m.\n10/13/70\nB: Could I come over there and try that blue loveseat? You and yourxpuxbix\npublicity hounds.\nK: Barbara Howar is a menace.\nB: Did Haldeman talk to you about a project we discussed jushexxx just before\nyou sent to Europe? He said he thought it was a good idea. When he came back\nhe said it was good and in your shop. We deliver the mail to the POWs in Hanoi\nin two ways. Letter mail goes to\nand then Kan Tong and then Hanoi.\nPackages go to Switz., then to Moscow, then to Peking and then to Hanoi.\nWe talked about the possibility of me going to see if the packages are delivered.\nIf the NVN cooperate there's a plane that goes once a week to Hanoi and if\nthey don't agree\nK: They won't.\nB: Otherwise, was to go there, trace packages as far as we could go. Bob\nreacted positively but kex I know there's a lot of questions. He said it was\nin your shop.\nK: Just because they will turn it down, doesn't mean we shouldn't offer it.\nB: That's right and the visibility on trying to see how far we can go. We don't\nloose if we fail.\nK: OK\nB: Will you talk to Bob?\nK: I will.\nB: If there's any agreement that we should do it, there are arrangements\nto be made and we are thinking of late Nov.\nK: Talk to me about it on my love seat.\nB: It depends on who you have waiting on it.\nK: It's the gayest office in town.\nB: With that love seat, I understand.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nSenator Javits\n10/13/70 3:40 p.m.\nJ: I called because the news has come through this morning that the\nPresident has opted for the one percent target in the development business\nat the UN.\nK: Onee in a while youh have got to lose an argument just to prove\nyou don t win them all. But it's essentially your recommendation.\nJ: That's right. Here is the question: How are they to handle\nthis? I thought I would ask you and then go to Rogers. Rogers apparently\npassed word to the delegation that he thinks the President ought to say\nthis on the 23rd. They thought they were immediately authorized to use\nthis in private and have already done so. If nothing is said about this\nbefore the 23rd, they may be attacked for not doing it when we are going\nto. But then, if that's all the President's speech has, it would be a\nlead balloon.\nK: No, that's not all it's got.\nJ: It can come out as the President's statement. He can release it.\nThen all we do is\nK: May I check with the President and let you know tomorrow?\nJ: Yes, please do. There's another question, a totally new line-up\non China. I had lunch with the Chinese Ambassa dor and Minister of\nExternal Affairs and we discussed this subject. They are still of course\nsolidly against anything. The question is whether the U.S. may want to\nbegin to open the door\nThis is very important, especially with the\nRussians cheating the hell out of us. I am in charge of this, but don't\nwant to say anything if it s not the President's policy. *Exthin\nK: What do you recommend?\nJ: I think we should do as the President has done -- begin to open\nthe door a little, give a feeling that a posture is developing. The real\nimplication of this is that the Chinese are geginning to show that they\nwant in. Our case has been that they don't want in. I think we should\nbegin to say this is a developing situation, which may bring on changes.\nK: Let me talk to the President about that one too.\nJ: Okay, but there's more urgency about the former.\nK: I'll get you an answer on the former by tomorrow noon.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nSecretary Laird\n10/13/70 4:15 p.m.\nK: It went pretty well today. I haven't seen yet how it is playing in\nthe news.\nL: We'll get kicked in the teeth that we manufactured it for the budget.\nK: I don't see how you can. We've played it with enormous restraint.\nL: What I'm calling about, I sent you a memo last night - - I signed\nit yesterday around noon -- on these two operations\nK: I haven't seen it.\nL: In the Black and\nK: Oh yes. I know.\nL: And I think we should check again and hold off.\nKK\nK: On the Baltic certainly.\nL: On the Black, whether we whould hold off on the Rumanian port call.\nAnd not increase the size of the force.\nK: I wouldn't increase the force in the Black Sea now.\nL: No, some time we may want to do that for a good reason and we do n t\nhave one now. Should we even go ahead with the two destroyers?\nK: Yes, that's regular.\nL: And jus t go ahead on a regular basis.\nK: Good.\nL: I was worried about the memo.\nK: No, I agree with you. But I wouldn't weasel on what heppend in\nCuba. I'd take the position that it was damned serious.\nL: Oh I have.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nKixalx Kraft/Kissinger\n5:07 p.m.\n10/13/70\nHAK: I enjoyed the evening. I just wanted to call you. You saw the Soviet\nTass statement today?\nK: Struck me as very unconvincing.\nHAK: Also some of the ships that concerned us have left the port.\nK: That's encouraging.\nHAK: I believe the conclusions you mentioned yesterday are still correct and\ndanger of totally confusing the Soviets and bringing about drastic courses of\n??????? but I don't want you to be misled.\nK: The statement struck me as not responsive if what they said is they are not\nbuilding bases.\nHAK: Slightly evasive. What is a base? That's not the charge.\nK: A flexibility they might want to use.\nHAK: That they were building. You got it correctly.\nK: Removal of ships is useful. Why did you make they whole thing public? In\nChicago you didn't even brief it.\nHAK: In Chicago it was an accident that I was asked and information wasn't\nclear yet. Some day I will tell you how it was made public on that Friday.\nEnough had leaked out that it was a problem of misunder standing of\nera by saying nothing there and having them move in. So this gave them\nthe opportunity to withdraw without loss of face. One thing I can tell you --\nNo proof but we wouldn't have spoken without massive evidence.\nThis fact was known to XEXXXXXX senior officials. I don't want to go into that.\nK: Thank you for calling. Harpers called. The piece will run in January.\nThey find it too sentimental of you. I XXXXX was astonished.\nHAK: I am astonished at their telling you if a piece should be favorable or\nunfavorable.\nK: They feel that the conclusions at the end are characteristic ???? at the\nend and ????? the beginning. I am giving them a shorthand version.\nHAK: They are not asking you to square the beginning to the end but the other\nway.\nK: They have suggested the other way around. I think no problems.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nBenjamin Wells (NYT)\n10/13/70 5:35 p.m.\nW: My information is that the extent of the construction in Cuba\nto which we have been referring is relatively limited, a couple of\nbarracks, a soccer field.\nK: I am not going to give you any information on that except that\nyou've been fed a pack of lies two weeks ago and I don't suppose your\ninformants have become any more accurate since. You say what Defense\nsaid.\nW: Yes, and in the best and most honest journalist tradition I\njust wanted to touch base with you.\nK: We said \"We are not saying what it is but here are the conse-\nquences of what it would become. I We have given the honest back facts\nat every stage\nW: Even as to the extent of construction?\nK: I am not saying what is was and what it wasn't; I just wouldn't\ntake as truth what other people said it wasn't.\nW: All right. Thank you.\nK called W back immediately after above conversation ended.\nK: I just wanted to make sure I am not quoted.\nW: We wouldn't quote you for anything on earth. We will protect\nyou; don't worry.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nTom Braden\n10/13/70 6:10 p.m.\nB: I was calling you about a personal matter. Was I very rude\nlast night to Joe Kraft?\nK: No.\nB: Because I met him a lunch today and I am not used to people\ntaking themselves this seriously. He said \"if you ever do to me again\nwhat you did last night, we can no longer be friends. 11\nK: What I remember your saying is that you had always been an\nadmirer of his, but you thought he went off the reservation on this one.\nB: But it wasn't rude?\nK: No. I have been saying for a long time that if the liberal\ncommunity wants to be listened to they have got to sometimes say\n\"This was right. 11\nB: All right. I just wanted to know if you thought I was rude. I\ntalked to Cy Vance this morning and he told me he was entirely in the\nball game.\nK: That's right. He is.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nJohnson/Kissinger\n6:17 p. m.\n10/13/70\nK: I have gotten calls from various people including Wells who said there was\nnothing there to begin with. He said he got it from State. I said we haven't\nsaid was was or not there. I simply will not let myself get drawn into a debate.\nIf everyone could say nothing --\nJ: I cannot imagine --\nK: They usually give the wrong department when they call. It might have been\nDefense.\nJ: That's been the word around here.\nK: McCloskey put out what we said?\nJ: Exactly. I haven't seen the papers.\nK: NO, but it obviously has the press' attention. Zeigler has said nothing\nand sent people to Defense and State.\nJ: I have had no calls. I don't know where I can stop this up. I will go the\nrounds again tomorrow.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nS Taft Schreiber/Kissinger\n7:02 ₱. m.\n10/13/70\nK: We had the word you were in town this morning.\nS: No, Firestone came in.\nK: I saw them. I called about that lunch next week. Make sure there's no\nproblemxxxx publicity of a partisan nature.\nS: No. khavenxkx Even the telegram said that a special report would be\ngiven by the WH. Some have told the people. They ask what he will talk\nabout but I say I don't know.\nK: I think it's better if I talk about foreign policy in geneeal and bring in\nthe M. E.\nS: Right. I will watch carefully what you say because I have specail appeal\nfor Bob in Dallas. We have done this for Nixon before he was elected and we\nraised a ton of xxxxxxx money. By his actions and promises he came up with\nan idea we had to have. Planes for Israel. We went on to ? ? ? ? I have\nbeen briefed on what I can and cannot say. Someone will say how do you view\nthe M.E.\nK: That's easy. How long is the affair.\nS: People weill be ther at 12:00 for drinks. Lunch at 12:30. Your on at\n1:30 at the latest. There will be a car waiting for you and then you will walk\nout and we will keep the others there. The one thought -- you know what these\nthings are -- the point that would make the greatest impression is not what\ngoes on but the truth that the President does have an uncanny knowledge of what\ngoes on and where the pressures are and k who the enemies are. Golda Meir\ntold me that never before has there been such a friend for Israel. After you\nleave, we will say what that is but they should have the feeling that we are lucky\nto have that man on the WH and we believe he is right. Your report is your\nreport. You may say you don't want to talk about him. I will not put words in\nyour mouth. Jack Warner is flying here XIXXX for the lunch. He says he must\nhear you. They want to be reassured.\nK: How discrete are they?\nS: If you make it clear that discretion is the problem and you are assured that\nthey are of the highest caliber and probably 100 of the best --\nK: Better if I talkex or answer questions?\nS: If you reviewed policies and what's been accomplished and say there must\nbe questions, SO what do you want to hear? 10-15 mins. of report and 15 of question\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nSchreiber/Kissinger\n7:02 pm\n10/13/70\n-2-\nS: (cont) should do it.\nK: I will probably come in on thex late Monday -- midnight.\nS: I will have a carex to meet you.\nK: I will let you know Will you make hotel reservations? I need a place for\na S/S guy.\nS: I will. Do you like to stay at the Century Plaza, Hilton, or Beverley Hills?\nK: Beverley Hills.\nS: A bungalo.\nK: That will be nice. And one room for S/S man.\nS: When are you leaving?\nK: I will stay Tues. night.\nS: What deesx do you want to do Tues. night? Dinner or cat gex around on your own.\nI am discrete only when I put it in writing. Think about it. You may have some-\nthing special.\nK: When will you be back?\nS: Tomorrow.\nK: I will let you know on Thurs.\nS: Fine. Just call. I can always get a party thrown in k your honor.\nK: I have to go to the LATimes at ome point to give them a briefing.\nS: We have to give them a wax job -- the President has made that clear. I\nplayed golf with Franklin Murphy last week. I said I know how you adore everyone\nat the WH. You have to support Murphy. He said, I will not endorse either.\nI said listen -- if you talk about the great job the President does and you have\nthe right to get on a great editorial and you would rather have him have the man\nof his choice. So it will help him get his views passed.\nK: And organize the Senate.\nS: He says they haven't thrown me out yet but we are talking.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nSchreiber/Kissinger\n7:02 pm 10/13/70\n- -3- -\nK: I will give them a working over.\nS: George was a client for XIXEXX many years and I feel our country is worth\nbetter quality but he is a Republican so what can I do. I begged him to let\nFinch run. For that I am not his friend but he accepts my campaign funds.\nK: I am glad to help you.\nS: You will all be a little older when you leave.\nK: But we would not have missed it. I will get you the details.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nMr. Kissinger/Frank Stainton, CBS\n10:29 p.m., October 13, 1970\nS:\nI thought it was a beautiful job.\nK:\nI thought it came out very well.\nS:\n[I am going to send you a print. ]\nK:\nAren't you nice, that is really very thoughtful of you.\nS:\ndid a great job.\nK:\nComing from you, one can appreciate that. It was done very fair\nand a very good job. How are you?\nS:\n[I'm fine. ]\nK:\nWhy don't you let me know when you are down here sometime\nwe can have lunch.\nS:\nDon't get on with the people from your shop.\nK:\nNot people from my shop.\nS:\nFrom the political side -- I know how busy you are but I'll let you\nknow when I get down.\nK:\nDo that, I take care of my friends.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nN. Dickerson/Kissinger\n10:40 pm\n10/13/70\nD: You are terrific. For a man, Mike did a great job.\nK: You are catty. It's generous a sopsxxxx possible under these conditions.\nD: They cut it perfectly by giving you that first line about IX in your job\nanything you say will sound pompous. Too often it's left on the cutting room\nfloor. Everything from there on in was terribly impressive. It's a first rate\njob.\nK: Margaret Osmer did a great job putting it together.\nD: I think it's good for you and the President. The secret business is fine\nbut selectively this is helpful. There will be millions across the country who\nwill want to know about that guy.\nK: I hope some are pretty. How have you been?\nD: Marvellous! Doing a lot of speaking and starting a syndicated news show.\nWith a couple of people you know it's quiet. It's doing well and is the future\nof TV.\nK: Good.\nD: In the meantime I miss you.\nK: Why don't we have lunch sometime. It's great for my image in addition\nto the fact that I would enjoy it.\nD: Maybe when the President is gone.\nK: When they are policitaal, I don't go.\nD: I had dinner with Bayly Howard a couple of nights ago.\nK: He was at one briefing.\nD: He said it was off the record and then the President said they could take\nnotes and a difference of opinion came up. No one was upset except the\nChicago Tribune.\nK: It was great for Bayly.\nD: The President didn't mind getting out the word.\nK: He got what he wanted. Nancy, you are sweet to call.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nDickerson/Kissinger\n10:40 pm\n10/13/70\n-2-\nD: Call me for lunch. I am in and out.\nK: I will be calling within a couple of weeks.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nJulie Eisenhower/Mrs. Nixon\nMr. Kissinger\n10:45 p.m., October 13, 1970\nK:\nHello Julie!\nE:\nI thought it was excellent, really thought it was well done. I thought\nyou were so articulate, you came across very well. The professor\ncame across very poorly. You were so understanding of the way he\nfelt and\nIt is unfortunate then the way he refused it beyond\nthat point. Also the fact that he didn't listen to your further explanations.\nMother said that teacher was a dropout. Thought it was great.\nK:\n[Aren't you nice, thank you. ]\nE:\nI also like the scene, it was a small world, you know when they\nhad the music.\nK:\nYes, the theme music is my favorite.\nE:\nTricia enjoyed it too. Really thought it was great. One thing,\nDan Rather everyone knows he is a pro-Administration\nK:\nDid he, I thought it was very good.\nE:\nMother wants to tell you.\nMrs. N:\nCongratulations! Oh boy, we are right here moving\nDick just\ncame up and we are telling him how good it was. Thought the newsman\nwho covered you gave you a good send off, was very good.\nK:\nRather\nMrs. N:\nAnyway it was a big plus, we will have to get you on every night.\nWe will send you out to Minnesota, Tricia is giving you her job.\nK:\nIs that what she is doing? You are terribly nice.\nMrs. N:\nHope your back is better. Dick was telling me.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nMr. Kissinger/Prof. Yoshida\n10:55 p.m., October 13, 1970\nK:\nHow are you?\nY:\nI am fine, all right thank you. I have just had a good talk with my\nfriend and conveyed your message to him in full that I got from Haig\nlast night.\nK:\nExactly.\nY:\nMy friend asked me to express to you.\nthe role you are playing\non this very difficult problem. Itis his unchanged view to reach an\nacceptable position on this problem. Behind the scene on our side,\nhe is quietly exercising every effort to get the Industry to accept\nthe restrictions. There is hopeful chance of a change of attitude.\nThese efforts will be strengthened daily until his departure and even\nafter that this will continue. Since this is a problem of highly\ntechnical nature, there must be some discussion and basic agreement\nin advance.\nK:\nAgree.\nY:\nBut my friend will try to really\nK:\nYes, but he has to raise it, we won't.\nY:\nYes, I made it quite clear to my friend. He will raise it. If in\nadvance,\nso efforts will continue until the last moment\nand it is his sincere hope that this long overdue problem on these\npoints by that time will be resolved. In order to do so through\nordinary channel there will be logical exchange of views. At the same\ntime keep this line truly alive in between from now till the meeting of\nour two friends. From your side, is there anything that might be\nhelpful to him for a judgment would you please let him know, if from\nhis side there is anything that might be helpful I will let you know.\nK:\nThe only thing I ask you to remember is there must be agreement by\nNovember 10th or we are forced to go the legislative route. We will\nbe getting the bill for signature by November 15th.\nY:\nNovember 15th.\nK:\nYes.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nMr. Kissinger/Prof. Yoshida\n10:55 p.m, October 13, 1970 -- page 2\nY:\nNovember 15 made quite clear to my friend and he is truly aware\nof that. It is his considered view that it is most unfortunate for\nboth of us, both countries and particularly for us it is most undesirable.\nSolution through negotiations is far better.\nK:\nThis is our feeling. Far prefer this to legislation but must have\ndecision by November 10th.\nY:\nWe will be in touch with each of\nFrom 18th next but I have made\ntechnical arrangement that\nI can reach him at almost any\nmoment till the 24th of the week.\nK:\nMeeting my friend the 24th.\nY:\nRight, my friend is genuinely serious. If there is anything that\nmight be useful to convey to my friend directly, you will let me know.\nK:\nAbsolutely.\nY:\nI can be reached at almost any time. If anything from our side I will\nbe in touch. My friend will be in your country. Would you please\nkeep me informed so perhaps in the last moment I can talk to my\nfriend. I put my own judgment, I built a very strong case to him\nand he listens to me. I am not in a position of yourself but I myself\nmight be able to do something in the final stage.\nK:\nYou can be sure that I will keep you informed.\nY:\nI am not in your position on our side.\nK:\nMany thanks, I enjoyed talking to you.\nwgh\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\n[synopsis]\nMr. Kissinger/Meg Osmer\n11:03 p. m., October 13, 1970\nK:\nYou are terrible.\nO:\nYou are still talking to me!\nK:\nIt is pretty good, fair.\nO:\n[Pretty good? ]\nK:\nYou are impossible, if I told you it was good you would wonder.\nO:\nNo I wouldn't, I want you to tell me. Be honest. Had you seen it\nwhen I talked to you last night?\nK:\nHow could I see it?\nO:\nOn closed circuit.\nK:\nHow could I get it on closed circuit?\nO:\n??? , after I talked with you,\ncame in and said, he has\nseen it, he has seen it. Was it better or worse?\nK:\nDon't know, I think better. Contrast between Shelling and me very\nwell done. The interview dispersed through it was good. The scene\nin Disneyland was very sweet. The whole thing was done very well.\nThe resignation thing at the end [you had an angle on that].\nO:\nCambodia, the Middle East -- I tell you I have a friend here. He\nsaid he believes a lot more in the Nixon Administration after seeing\nthe show.\nK:\n[Aren't you nice].\nO:\nOn tragedy, the problem was it didn't flow in the whole piece. To get\nit in at the end waxxk it was a little essay.\nK:\nI really thought you did it with great sensitivity.\nO:\nSat in the judicial seat, hope you are not disappointed. Think we\ncaught some of your moods, pictures with the children, friends from\nHarvard, which pleased me.\nK:\nPleased that Dan Rather was so\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\n[synopsis]\nMr. Kissinger/Meg Osmer\n11:03 p.m., October 13, 1970 -- page 2\nO:\nThought we could have gotten out of that.\nK:\nLisagor would have been good.\nO:\nWanted to use Bob Semple.\nK:\nHe would have been good but you had to use one of your people.\nO:\nYes, had to ask him off the record. You know who was bad or do\nI have to tell you - your friend, Mr. Bundy.\nK:\nBundy was covering himself.\nO:\nHe didn't have to say anything specific -- terribly pleased you are\na good appointment but after that it was up to Mr. Nixon. I told them\nif they ever wanted a portrait of Bundy done, I wasn't going to do it.\nK:\nMcNamara would have said exactly what he thought, Bundy says\n[things to protect himself].\nO:\nIf McNamara had not been leaving the country when I tried to get\na hold of him at the time I didn't think we had enough time, if I\nhad known, we could have used him.\nK:\nThink all of this is immaterial, thought it was done with great\nsensitivity -- very well done.\nO:\nCan't wait to come, now that I have done it, I really want to talk to\nyou. When you are back and when you are not busy, call me and\nI will work it out. You are marvelous to call me, I didn't think you\nwould.\nK:\nI will see you when I get back.\nwgh\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nMarty Hillenbrand\n10/14/70 ca. 8:30 a. m.\nK: At the NSC today you should focus, if you agree, on the\nBerlin negotiations. He'll call on me for a general talk about the\nissues of Austpolitik and on Berlin and I'll make a very few obser-\nvations. But it would be useful if you'd sum up where it stands.\nH: Okay. You know Ken Rush is going to be there.\nK: But I still think you should do this.\nH: I'll still do it, but he may want to make a few observations\nfrom his experience.\nK: Okay good.\nH: Good. See you later.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nAmb. Rabin/Kissinger\n11:25 a. m.\n10/14/70\nK: I called last night because within an hour of your leaving we had this\napproved. You should get word of that in thxe x xx rapid course now. There's\nno bureaucratic obstacle. If you have no more serious problems then\nbureaucratic procedures in the WH, you are in good shape.\nR: I understand. Aleo that question of credits have been given from Defense\nto the WH.\nK: That's approved also. You will get official word on that.\nR: All right. That's good to hear. I hope the\nis also very good.\nK: I don't knpw X what the procedure on that second idea will be. I think\nthat has to go to Congress.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nSisco/Kissinger\n11:30 a. m. 10/14/70\nS: ? ? ? ? ? you know I couldn't find ixx not even the scintilla of anything.\nCould been more sensitive because you were on the screen.\nK: You lose perspective when you watch yourself.\nS: The right man at the right job doing a professional jobafter you have been\nat it for two years and if that's what you get in a public program, you are in\ngreat shape. It was a huge plus. I am prejudice.\nK: You have experience in these things.\nS: I have 3 matters of business. I am going to the world series this afternoon.\nOn the President's\nfor $5 million.\nK: Approved.\nS: Why don't you tell Defense to send something to Congress WX even if they\nwon't act on it. It's a starter.\nK: Superb. That's approved. And the SAM package is approved. Will you\nstart moving on that? I will call Packard.\nS: And send us a memo that's approved and we will go.\nK: You will have it.\nS: There's a Presidential dinner on the 24th for the big wheels. The sister\nof the Shah wants in. We are hearing that the WH is not to make exceptions.\nI say they should.\nK: Does she have official status?\nS: No. Invite her as an invited guest.\nK: May be I can take her as my date. Is she pretty?\nS: I will have to check. I will also check here sex life too. I shouldn't ask\nyou without having all the details.\nK: I will have it booked at again.\nS: Also, there's apparently a recommendation from the department that\nAssist. Secys. be included.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nSisco/Kissinger\n11:30 a. m.\n10/14/70\n-2-\nK: I am all for it. Why should I be bored alone?\nS: Look at that but I understand someone thinks otherwise.\nK: Can we have just one or two?\nS: You have a situation where you have high level people from all regions and\nyou will need them.\nK: It's not my decision to make. I will pass it to Haldeman.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nAmb. Freeman/Kissinger\n11:37 1 a.m.\n10/14/70\nF: I am sorry to bother you. Could I taxlx take 60 seconds of your time?\nYou have someone with you.\nK: Always.\nF: I mentioned the other day that I thought there was a personal misunderstanding\nabout the dates of the visit. I checked with London and there has been. No\nmuch difference in the end.\nK: I have never put the question to the President but in two conversations I\nheard him mention the end of Dec. as if it's a settled matter.\nF: Heath has the impression also that it was the end of Nov., the beginning\nof December.\nK: No. I will confirm that. I am parixtx practically certain that he meant the\nend of Dec. or the beginning of Jan.\nF: Kx I don't think he can do it then because he has the Commonwealth Conference\nin Singapore at the end of the first week in Jan. Unless I stop him, he will\npropose severals dates to the President which would be at the end of Nov. or\nthe first of Dec.\nK: Let me find out how eager the President is to have it in Calif. If he is,\nlet's find out whether he will be out there for Thanksgiving. We will act on the\nbasis you described. When the Foreign Secy. was here we talked on an informal\nbasis on thkx things and now this has turned into a formal consultation which was\nnot what we had in mind. The President thought more along the informal which\nyou and I sometimes have. We will do a formal one, but it will be less frank.\nF: I understand. I have been anxious about this. What I think our present\nview is that at some convenient time\nwho is now the Under Secy. and\nBendall who deals with these matters and who knows the situation here should\ncome along and have a talk and be informal as you like.\nK: That's the best way. While he is here he can say who he wishes.\nAvoid getting agreement, position papers, records kept, etc.\nF: I must speak, subject to instruction, but my view is the same as yours.\nThe formal consultations are held at NATO.\nK: Denis used to just come in and I would get whoever was on my staff.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nJohn Carroll/Kissinger\n11:56 a.m.\n10/14/8 70\nC: What did you think of the TV show?\nK: You are never a good judge of yourself. I thought it was favorable.\nC: That's what I thought. I read that backgrounder text of Hartford and you\nand Mr. Sisco kept referring to the Palestinians and what they want.\nK: Did I?\nC: I am not sure. Sisco did 4 or 5 times. In the wake of Nasser's death is\nthe Administration re-thinking it's approach to the M.E. ? Is it possible that\na conclusion will be reached that the Palestinians are the only people to make\npeace?\nK: Talking for background?\nC: Right.\nK: We are re-thinking our approach of course but I cannot say that this is the con-\nclusion we will reach.\nC: Dixlxtxis Would this be a prominant line of thinking?\nK: It's a line we are thinking.\nC: Is Arafat considered the most promising of Palestine's leaders?\nK: I don't want to go into it.\nC: A fellow from the Star told me that Tito talked about this with the President\nand the President asked who we could talk to now that Nasser was gone and\nTito said, Arafat.\nK: He mentioned the Palestinians but not in that way/\nC: I am looking for guidance on how hard I whould press it.\nto\nK: It's a development but it's not the key theme of our policy. Not thexthe\nreplacement of other strands.\nC: What are they?\nK:\nWhat we have been doing.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nCarroll/Kissinger\n11:56 a.m.\n10/14/70\n-2-\nC: Is the NSC doing a formal study?\nK: The Sr. Review Group is looking at it again as we do periodically. I must\nstop it here.\nC: Thanks a lot. So long.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nAmb. Lucet/Kissinger\n12:00 noon\n10/14/70\nL: I wanted to akk you something. Mr. Schumann is coming to NY for the\nanniversary of UN on Mon. next week. He will spend a week in NY. Do you\nthink the Presidnt would receive him? I know Mr. Nixon is to give a dinner for\nthe Chiefs of State but he is only foreign Minister.\nK: No chanceat dinner.\nL: Of course. No possibility for a serious conversation at that.\nK: He doesn't usually recieve Foreign Ministers and he is out on political\ntrips. I will find out.\nL: If it's possible you will let me know?\nK: I will let you know either way.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nAmb. Dobrynin/Kissinger\n12:17 p.m.\n10/14/70\nD: I miss you here at the UN today.\nK: You do?\nD: Of course. Just to coitinue talk with you the other day. On the big question,\nhe is prepared to discuss the question we discussed together -- summit.\nK: Al right.\nD: Those questions that are unanswered he is prepared to discuss.\nK: Are you in a position to give me a hint ahead of time?\nD: He will like to do that but it's positive. About a date. I imagine about\nthe 23rd.\nK: Yes but the President will speak only in the afternoon.\nD: He wanted to listen otherwise it will be difficult for him to come back to\nWashington.\nK: Does he dislike only American planes or all planes?\nD: In general. He prefers a car.\nK: We have one bond. I wanted to talk about this.\nD: HOw about the 20 or 21st?\nK: That's not convenient.\nD: He is available on those dates.\nK: When is he leaving the U.S.?\nD: The 25. Or 26. In the morning.\nK: Two other things we could do. We could meet in NY after the President's\nspeech in the Waldorf. That would make it possible around 5:30. Would he\nprefer Washington?\nD: I will check.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nDobrynin/Kissinger\n12:17 p.m.\n10/14/70\n-2-\nK: Sat. morning he wants to be at sessions?\nD: Yes. I will check with him.\nK: How about Monday morning?\nD: He is leaving on Monday. They have an agreement with the British Govt\nand the exact dates he must be there. It was announced today.\nK: Sat. is a problem if he doesn't like to fly.\nD: The dinner is at 8:00.\nK: Let me work it out. The 22nd he is speaking?\nD: Yes. In the morning.\nK: So he could come --\nD: Nol on a minutes. Will 22nd in the evening then?\nK: Yes.\nD: This is my old suggestion.\nK: About 5:00.\nD: May be that could be arranged.\nK: Let's aim for that.\nD: I will check with him and call you. When?\nK: Anytime. I will check with the President and then we will get --\nD: Either here at the Waldorf on the 23rd or the 22nd at 5:00 there.\nK: Will I see you at the meeting?\nD: I don't know if he will let me go. I hope so.\nK: Some advantages to having a sense of the agenda.\nD: I will check with him. He prefers to have me with him.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nDobrynin/Kissinger\n12:17 p.m.\n10/14/70\n-3-\nK: You can come for an afternoon or evening.\nD: I will call you at 1:00.\nK: I may not be able to get to the President by 1:00.\nD: 3:00 or 3:00 .\nK: At 3:00.\nD: I will call at 3:00.\n(HAK went to see the President at 12:35. About 12:45 or 1:00 Dobrynin called\nand talked to Haig. Dobrynin said anytime on the 22nd, the earlier the better.)\nFurther Conversation: 1:40 p.m.\nD: I am giving a luncheon.\nK: At TIME, did you say?\nD: No, here in the mission.\nK: Oh, I was afraid you were undermining our ? ? ? . 11:00 on the 22nd is\nbest for us. You said anytime on the 22nd is OK.\nD: That's right. I think it will be all right. Could I check it while you wait?\nK: The other thing is on the big subject you said he would raise, we would\nprefer your not discussing it prior to meetings you will have.\nD: You mentioned that before. You said you wouldn't èither.\nK: If it's raised it will be raised in ignoramce of the general conversation.\nD: This meeting will be between them too (or two ?)?\nK: Your boss can raise it with the President. Don't discuss it before that.\nD: I will mention to him privately on that matter.\nK. The second point is about that other business I discussed the other day.\nOne word from you that it's in general will be helpful.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nDobrynin/Kissinger\n12:17 p.m.\n10/14/70\n-4-\nD: I have not discussed it with him. I mentioned to him already, not orally.\nI don't know. My feeling was that it's an unbalanced situation. I would like\nto check with this --\nK: If you and I could have a brief word this weekend --\nD: There's a big lunch here. I will call you later. Maybe tomorrow morning.\nJust hold on for a second. (He goes off for about 3 or 4 minutes). 11:00.\nK: All right. On our side we will have the President, the Secy. of State and\nthe Minister\nmyself. On your side, ,/ (Gromyko) and yourself.\nD: The Minister, myself, and an interpreter.\nK: On our side there will be 3 of us.\nD: I will call you on the other matter tomorrow.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nCong. John Blatnik (Minnesota)\n10/14/70 12:25 p.m.\nB: I know it's short notice, but I wanted to touch base and get\nyour reactions from Yugoslavia and tell you what I got from the other\nside. I am leaving Friday for the campaign recess. I think we\ngained some ground. I wonder if it would be possible for me to see\nyou.\nK: Let me get my assistant to talk to you.\nB: I talked to Mr. Downey. Did you see\nNikositch (?)\nwhile you were there?\nK: I don't think so.\nB: Your office will call me this afternoon?\nK: Yes.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nSecretary Laird\n10/14/70 12:30 p.m.\nK: The President approved -- I am sending you a memo -- the\nSAM package and the five hundred million credit for Israel. Jee Sisco\ncalled and suggested that it would be a good idea to sent it up as a\npolitical move, the five hundred million.\nL: But we shouldn't send it up without the whole package.\nK: I agree with that basically. I just wanted to check with you\nXXX as the old hand.\nL: It's all right to say we will be sending it up, but let's send it\nwith the other stuff in the same bill.\nK: Okay, get the word around with your cronies will you?\nL: Yes. George Mahon, I gave him a letter saying it would come\nup as soon as Congress returned. I said if you put it on that bill we\nwon't be able to get the other military assistance bill through that's so\nimportant. This is exactly what I wanted to do on September 15.\nK: We've approved it.\nL: Okay.\nK: Okay, and we'll get that other thing straightened out.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nJavits/Kissinger\n9:30 a. m.\n10/15/70\nK: You have won another one.\nJ: You are serving this country like nothing ever by doing these things.\nYou need more publicity.\nK: We will let you announce the 1% thing. Do it as low key as possible.\nJ: It's reiteration of what we have done.\nK: We don't want it to be like a tremendous achievement. The President\nwill not do it. It sounds as if we are stopping to get paid for something ? ? ?\nJ: We have had crises in our government but the position outside is that\nwe are for this.\nK: That's the President's view.\nJ: I can assure you that he I will tell the General Assembly the whole corporate\nidea and excitement and whole entire system. That's the thrust of the speech.\nWhat's happened on OPIC?\nK: I will have an answer for you at the end of the week.\nJ: It would be a great time to appoint them. I will reflect to you after a\nfew days what'sxgood going on here. I will sound out the corridor thought\non the M.E. I may have pipelines. If I do anything, I will talk with you\nfirst.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nHamilton Fish Armstrong\n10/15/70 10:55 a. m.\nA: My compliments on your television appearance. It was\nvery impressive, very good.\nK: Thank you.\nA: I wanted to check on your article. We're counting on it\nand I think it's going to be a leading thing for us and I just wanted to\nbe sure of it.\nK: We've had several crises in the last month I didn't foresee.\nA: I know, which makes your article all the more important\nfor our publication.\nK: There is another thing. I have given several briefings\nwhich contain these ideas and have never been printed. If I adapted\none of these for an article would that be all right?\nA: Why not? If they haven't been printed.\nK: The most that's ever been printed was that stuff Semple did.\nA: Was that the one I spoke to you about?\nK: Yes.\nA: I thought that was very good.\nK: This would be slightly more philosophical, with the cohesion\nof society as an idea.\nA: Very good.\nK: That I can probably do very quickly.\nA: You still have a couple of weeks. I don't want you to skimp\non the philosophical vein. That's very important.\nK: Right. How are things at the Council?\nA: We are trying to find someone to take George's place. I won't\nsay over the phone, but we'd love it if you were interested.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nHamilton Fish Armstrong\n10/15/70 10:55 a. m. page 2\nK: I appreciate that very much, but probably the time frame\nA: I noticed you spoke on that. I thought what you said was\nprobably both politic and true.\nK: I can't keep this job indefinitely. It's a job that uses you up.\nA: I was pleased when you said you think of the Council as one\nof your homes.\nK: I do.\nA: It's good to talk to you and I do expect this by the first. Did\nyou get a note from me before the President arrived in Belgrade?\nK: Yes. It was supposed to be acknowledged.\nA: That doesn't matter.\nK: He used what you said.\nA: Well, he said \"can I\non this? 11 I said what's\nthe sense of a man of your experience and your age doing this if you\ndon't speak frankly. He's a man of substance and still has a lot of\nbounce.\nK: He did the days we were there.\nA: How many of you talked to you him?\nK: The President, Rogers and me.\nA: And you used an interpreter?\nK: Well, he understands a great deal of English.\nA: I am glad you saw something of him. I respect him though\nI have disagreed with him in many ways. I said to him once that the\nU.S. was much more socialist than much of what you call socialiam\nin Communist states. I said did you know about the TVA. He said\nno. I told him about it. He said well, that's a Marxist approach; lxex I\nsaid no it's an American appraach.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nM. Wallace/Kissinger\n11:07 a. m.\n10/15/70\nK: I thought you MXXIX did a great job.\nW: I think you did a great job. Everyone seems to think the show was\nfirstrate.\nK: A lot of favorable 8 mment.\nW: The only comment from some of the press and people was that it was\ninsufficiently illuminating about the mind. They wanted a longer interview\nand more substantive on foreign policy. I think it's a hell of a good piece\nof film.\nK: The thing that ended ixlx the whole program was a good quote. That part I\nregretted not having in it. But it probably didn't fit.\nW: We had it to begin with but it stuck out like a sore thumb. So we\nget that at the end.\nK: It was first class and my colleagues thought it great and so did the first\nfamily. My colleague at Harvard didn't look good. He looks too anxious.\nW: My son and his roommate thought that. It made for a better show for\nus. It was the high point emotionally of the piece.\nK: I liked it and thøoughout you behaved with great delicacy. And Nanch\nappreciates that you dropped her. Let me know when you come again.\nI would like to see you.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nS. Alsop/Kissinger\n11:28 a.m.\n10/15/70\nA: Your life is complicated as usual.\nK: I didn't know you weren't free or I would have made other arrangements.\nA: I could have bee there at 11:30 but you have another appointment and\nI have to be at State for a meeting with the Secy. at 12:15. How are you\nthis afternoon?\nK: How about 2:30? Why don't we do that?\nA: I want to be sure I am not off base on some conculsions I have reached.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nDobrynin/Kissinger\n1:40 p.m.\n10/45/70\nD: I will be on Saturday in Washington to meet you.\nK: What time?\nD: Around 1:00 or 2:00?\nK: You couldn't make it earlier? The Chief of Naval Operations wants\nto take me to a football game. Or later?/\nD: Let's say at 4:30?\nK: Let's say then -- as soon as I am back from the game I will call you.\nD: After 4:00.\nK: Not before. 4:00-4:30.\nD: I will await your call.\nK: At the Emb assy?\nD: Yes.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nFlanigan/Kissinger\nafternoon\n10/15/70\nF: We just got a copy of a complex cable sent by Schneider in Tokyo.\nK: Dick Snyder?\nF: I dixxx don't know. He has sent a cable to Trezise and Green saying that\nMiazawa told them of the talks with\nhad with me and they don't\naccept it and want to send two fellows to talk with Shultz and have President\nsay we will work this out.\nK: The Tell them to go to hell.\nF: I agree. What does this have to do with your contacts over there?\nK: Either Sato is incompetent or tricky. It seems he wants to come to an\nagreement and we cannot come up with a formula.\nF: 20 categories.\nK: And we would come back if you don't like it. They know how to get an\nagreement. Either we give them 23 categories or 18, it makes no difference.\nF: Category ceilings.\nK: xRhey That being the case that's the problem. My fellow called back.\nIt's the old record we used for 6 months. The President will not raise it\nI will advise the President to refuse to discuss it. Wait until it's reached\na negotiable level.\nF: I don't see how he can see the fellow.\nK: He can but he shouldn't discuss textiles.\nF: We should Kp reply that this suggestion is not acceptable.\nK: The President will not agree to such a statement. Tell him. Unless there's\na basic principle on agreement.\nF: We have stonewalled them because they don't agree. They indicate they\nwill accept basket provision for wool and textiles with a two categories in\neach one. We could if we have them with 3 wool and 5 manmade.\nK: Yes but that's departure for the next negotiation. I don't like the idea of\ngoing way down and ****** saying how thatx does that go?\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nFlanigan/Kissinger\nafternoon 10/15/70\n-2-\nF: ???? is greater before than after Sato.\nK: I am not sure.\nF: If we want to be in a position to veto the trade bill then we will have\nsome obligation.\nK: Why don't they propose it?\nF: They haven't.\nK: They must move in our direction. If they suggestixx something, we\ncould work with them. They are playing games.\nF: They offered 70-80%.\nK: There's not good faith there. My guy said Sato is working on industry.\nWe have to have some categories. We have told them what we want. Have\nthem make a counter-proposal. Keep the heat on Sato.\nF: Before replying I should hear back from Ushiba. Trezise could answer\ndirect.\nK: He should. That would be my suggestion.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nAmb. Sullivan/Mr. Kissinger\nOctober 15, 1970 2:30 p.m.\njlj\nS: I am just back from the most civilized part of the world.\nK: England\nS: Henry, have you seen the incoming from our delegation proposing\nmove ahead with\nK: Private talk on Saturday.\nS: Request on Saturday for next Tuesday or Wednesday.\nK: I talked to the President about it. My understanding of the scenario\nwas that. I would like to see what they propose to say.\nS: It has it in this message. Then Bunker would talk to Thieu\nK: We are not disposed to give you any trouble on that.\nS: It's just the time frame. We would like to get back to them.\nK: Is it worth it? Worth bad feeling this [may cause].\nS: They are expecting it in Saigon and Bunker is coming on leave on\nSunday.\nK; I will look at it right away.\nS: Good. Then I will do up draft. I have looked it over carefully and\nit looks OK. Ceasefire, POWs, not get into political. Would have to\nhave Vietnam government in on it if was political.\nK: I will read the cable with good will.\nS: You sound like Madame Binh.\nK: I have learned something.\nS: I will get this together then. I have to go to the airport and meet\nSouvanna. If I am not here Roger Kirk could take it.\nPhoma\nK: I will do it before the end of the afternoon.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified."
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