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TELCON L. Garment/Kissinger 1:10 pm x12/30x 12/1/70 G: On Max -- I am trying to move our monumental lump of blubber. He is very suspicious about the group. K: You can't stop people who want to commit suicide. G: I talked to Mitchell this morning about other things and got an evaluation of what he is doing. Fund-raising and other things. I suggested that he (or I?) might hear from John today or tomorrow. K: If you make a big deal out of it it serves no Q purpose anym ore. If it xankox soundls like an affair of state we asked for. I am not talking about Max Fishers you, I am talking about Max Fisher. We are not asking when to consitute the group. G: It's impossible to have a meeting without him. K: That's up to you. G: If it's valuable to have a meeting with him. K: It's less valuable now. It would have been more valuable 4 weeks ago. G: I knew nothing about it until this week. K: It's headed for a series of showdowns and becoming a pressure play. G: Do you have reason to believe it would be this week. K: You should go to Mitchell or Finch. Any group he heads I would be have my doubts about but let's look at the group. G: I will keep you posted. K: Please do.

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