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TELCON
Irwin/Johnson/Kissinger
9:10 am
12/3/70
I: Our concern is the Soviet defector. Today Macomber was asked up to the
Hayes Committee on this situation. Eliot has been deferring Kennedy since
Monday. We both feel it would be helpful if the reports could be released
to the public. What is in State's has been made public.
K: By whom?
J: The press conference statement made on Monday was constant withthe
report. Nobody released this report.
K: One sentence dealing with my staff which was highly misledding.
J: In what way?
K: This happened 36 hours after the event SO it's irrelevant. Nov. 25 after
he was returned. Whatever was said was irrelevant and does not constitute
WH consultation.
JP It didn't say it was.
K: My fellow was talking to yours about Berlin access. We have a defector
case and my man said good luck. We never made an issue of not being
notified after the event so it's not an issue. The concern of the President
was the handling of the case to save the defector. No one reading this would
realize it was 36 hours after athe event.
J: I think it's clear. It's in chronological form. We covered everything.
That says there was no notification of NSC STAFF.
I:
There's no indication to drag you or the NSC into it. or make us look
better.
K: This came up as peripheral remark. Your fellow didn't even call us.
He was asked what else was new.
J:
There's no -- we aren't trying to justify ourselves. We just sent every
fact.
K: We don't blame you SO there's no blame attached to post-event procedures.
It's neither here nor there. Never heard President mention what happened
afterwards. His concern is with the 10 hour period while the fellow was
trying to defect. If it comes up in questioning I would appreciate your making
clear it happened after the event.
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