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    "ocrText": "TELCON\nJohn Scali/Kissinger\nafternoon/\n12/10/70\nS: I have a couple of questions I am still curious about. On the intelligence\nproblem on Son Tay, any new procedures put into effect?\nK: It's easy to X blame intelligence. It's an area I would have to explain\nto O much about to explain the basic intelligence and would be dangerous.\nThere was no procedural problem. I have had an analysis made of the procedure\nto be sure. You can always streamline things but that's not a problem.\nS:\n(something to the effect that the operation was so close hold that pressure\nwasn't necessarily brought to bear to be sure that all intelligence input had\nbeen cleared through.)\nK: I read those stories. The CIA was involved in every detail on which\nthe intelligence was based. They made the model of the prison camp you\nhave seen in the newspapers.\nS: Do they know whether it was true or not or would they just expect to accept\nwhat they were told?\nK: I am satisfied they had an opportunity for analytical input. I am not assuming\nthat the director of the CIA has to be asked every day if he has something to say.\nWhen he knows that significant segments of his organization are working on\na project, he will give them what he has.\nS: Then they had analytical\n? My impression was that they had\nnothing to do with it.\nK: They had a lot to do on ixlx which it was based but this intelligence is of\nthe highest sensitivity and I cannot go into it.\nS: I heard Rogers before the Senate Foreign Relations today and he talked about\npolitical imperatives which made it impossible to send troops into Cambodia.\nNo support of American people or the Congress. Is this the widely held view\nof the inner xixxced circle?\nK: You have to assume that the Secy. of State\nS: I do but I am checking to see if it's his own pexx special view.\nK: Wouldn't it be great to say he is speaking for himself and I will move my\ntroops when I want to? That would be a great story.\nS: xlxetxxxxx Remember yesterday I expressed concern about the President\ntalking to these 9 columnists and I said maybe Hanoi would sit back and wait\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nJohn Scali/Kissinger\nafternoon\n12/10/70\n-2-\nS: ( C ont) for '72? I intend to ask it as a question this evening and I wonder\nfix if you have given thought to it.\nK: Let me just say one thing -- if you are not called on this evening, it doesn't\nmean I told him.\nS: God love you and keep (?) you.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nDobrynin/Kissinger\n12:45 pm\n12/10/70\nK: About that conversation with respect to this man. I wanted you to know\nthose papers have moved from Justice to State and and if you haven't heard\nfrom them next week, there's some bureaucratic snarl and you should call me.\nOnly technical problems left.\nD: What's your recommendation?\nK: They will call Wed. at the latest.\nD: When will you have time next week for lunch? 15\nK: You want to have lunch next week? Okay.\nD: Except Tues and Wed. because I will be in NY. Any other time it's all right.\nK: I cannot do it this minute. I will call you this afternoon.\nD: That' will be fine. Except Tues. or Wed. Otherwise all right.\nK: Mon., Thurs., or Friday.\nD: Thurs. or Friday is better.\nK: That's better for me. I have to look at the calendar. What I can shift and\nif I am free. We have the British Prime Minister here.\nD: Whatever is suitable for you.\nK: We will do it Thurs. or Fridgy.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nSecy. Irwin/Kissinger\n3:40 pm\n12/10/70\nI: I am calling about a successful conclusion on the negotiation on a fisheries\nagreement that started 10 days ago.\nK: Don't tell me it's a flounder agreement.\nI: It deals with that but not what they were talking about in Boston. There\nwas a news release put out XX last Monday and Johnson spoke to Haig about\nthat. Amb. McClarendon finished this today and because it has been drawn\nto Haig's attention we wanted you to know there will be an agreement. Theye\nwill be a news release tomorrow but there may be leaks.\nK: Should the President mention it this evening.\nI: Not necessarily. So far the newspapers have not connected it but it's\npossible that now that it's successful they might. We wanted you to know.\nK: I will warn the President about it. What's the subject of the fisheries\nagreement?\nI: It's a renewal and extension of an earlier agreement that handled conser-\nvation initially but this time not only that but economic take and extension\nof area that was covered on conservation field off Cape Ferris in North\nCarolina. Goes out 100 miles and regulates conservation and economic\naspects. Some will be less happy then others but he feels the applause will\nbe greater than the criticism. It will be signed today. We will get a memo\nto you today.\nK: If you were Mel Laird I would have assumed that you just leaked it to the\npress yourself. Now you must say Defense has leaked it.\nI: They were involved.\nK: I am just joking.\nI: Hejust told me his negotiation with Defense was as hard as with the Soviets.\nK: You are very courteous.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nSecretary Laird\n12/10/AX 70 4X25xk 4:26 p.m.\nL: Henry, someone should brief Finch on the Vietnamization program.\nK: Jesus Christ. Don't tell me a word about it. It's an outrage.\nL: He says I could do it in 12 to 14 months. I can't do that. This is\ngoing to be thrown up to me from now on. I'll be accused of dragging my feet.\nK: It's disastrous.\nL: I love Bob, but I think he ought to talk to me. Like the Nuremburg\ntrail thing he came out with on POWs.\nK: What was that?\nL: He said this was an option we could follow. They've been calling\nour people war criminals and we've rejected that. I think it's a mistake to\nget into that. I will brief him, or you.\nK: I don't want you to do that. The less he knows the better off we are\nL: But you know, he speaks for the President. Iwas concerned with\neverything being out by 1972, but now he's down to 12 - 14 months.\nK: There's no excuse for it. He wasn't put up to it.\nL: That wasn't what I called about. What I wanted was\nStennis\nand the Senate conferees are holding firm on the language against using money\nthat goes to Vietnam for operations in Cambodia and Laos. (L read from page 45\nof the bill.)\nK: That's impossible.\nL: I know it is, but they have got this language. Our Senate friends feel\nthat I am the only one who objects to this.\nK: I called Stennis and he told me he would take what I said to him very\nseriously and come over for a briefing on this.\nL: They're having a conference Saturday morning.\nK: I will call him first thing in the morning.\nL: He says the language about using American military forces in\nCambodia is tough. But this is much tougher. This precludes support\nin Vietnam from operating in Cambodia and stops any operation in Laos.\nI have gone to everybody on this I know. They all have the idea this is\nsomething I am concerned about, but I've got to get through on this.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nSecretary Laird\n12/10/70 4:26 p.m. page 2\nK: I will call Stennis this afternoon.\nL: You understand why I am concerned.\nK: Of course, and I am concerned also.\nL: Okay.\nK: Something else. On that operation we discussed yesterday, the\nPresident's view if\nof troops get lifted in\nhe doesn't\nmind\nL: Yes. We'll try to fuzz that up. Tomorrow there will probably\nbe a lot of questions about this.\nK:\nOne other thing. The hearings on Monday about the intelligencebasis for\nthis operation. I understand Manner is testifying.\nL: No, I'm not going to let him testify before the Fulbright Committee.\nK: Good. We're behind you. Hex xexxpxexxxxix aboxx xthis\n1\nL: He's on a fishing expedition about this. Moss (?) and Lowenstein\nare looking all over town about the AK-47s that came from Indochina.\nK: Was that a crime too?\nL: No, it shouldn't be. It was a very clean trade. They are trying to\nmake it a crime that we set up an AK-47 ammunition point. We admitted\nit to them.\nK: So what?\nL: Nothing except that we kept it classified. They also came back with\na report that we were operating this on the basis of letters slipped out from\nNorth Vietnam. I'm denying that.\nK: You must! How did they get that?\nL: It is rumored to have come frim letters the POWs themselves sent\nto their familits.\nK: That's trasonable.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nSecretary Laird\n12/10/70 4:26 p.m. page 3\nL: They also say they wer e picked up in Cambodia.\nK: That's can't be.\nL: It's part of their trip report. They could have picked it up per-\nhaps in South Vietnam, but I can't believe it. I'm denying it.\nK: Absolutely. Good luck tomorrow.\nL: Bill was up there for four hours today. I haven't read the\ntestimony yet.\nK: I haven't either.\nL: But I hear they gave him quite a workout.\nK: It's good experience for him.\nL: It's good for all of us.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nCrocker Snow\n12/10 70\n5:35 p.m.\nK: This thing is getting to be such a bureaucratic exercise. A\ndouple of things: A, I am embarrassed that is has assumed these propor-\ntions. B, I thought I had better talk with you myself so we know what we\nare talking about. I am delighted to meet with your editors and people\nI might not know on my own. But I think it's needlessly insulting to\ninvite members of the Cambridge community to meet with me at something\nset up by a newspaper. I have no interest in having a debate with Chomsky\nbefore 30 people you have invited there.\nS: I got that message. I haven't invited anybody yet.\nK: Isn't it pretty late. Maybe we should drop the whole thing.\nS: Our staff is all alerted and in terms of the academics I don't\nanticipate any problems.\nK: But I want to know konx whom they are.\nS: I was thinking of Reischauer, perhaps Jim Thompson, Adam Yar-\nmolinsky, either Fisher or Schelling.\nK: I don't want to meet with Schelling and I know Fisher's views.\nHow about Huntington?\nS: Or Bill Bundy or Ed Gullion.\nK: Bundy would be fine.\nS: How about Gullion?\nK: I have no objections. I don't think he'd be as interesting.\nS: Okay, let's make it Reischauer, Thompson, Bundy and Yarmolinsky.\nI don't anticipate any difficulties or a great debate.\nK: Lindsey is a friend and I'm delighted.\nS: And the others are pretty streight.\nK: You know that I am trying to avoid a circus.\nS: So are we. When we invite people we don't bill it as a confrontation\nor debate at all.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nCrocker Snow\n12/10/70 5:35 p.m. page 2\nK: And as far as the students go, I am seeing a group here tomorrow\nfrom Harvard so I don't see any need.\nS: I think that's a dead issue and I couldn't swear to their abiding by\nthe ground rules. It seemed to me more tr ouble than it was worth. And\nI wasn't planning to invite anybody in the miscellaneous category. Under\nthese circumstances, 2:00 dn the 16th is fine.\nK: You understand I am subject to unexpected events.\nS: Of course. Eliot Richardson came today -- had lunch with 20 of\nthe Globe people. it was bery useful.\nK: I have no trouble with the Globe people. I know I can rely on\nthem to abide by the basic agreement made ahead of time. But the\nacademic community knows no such inhibitions.\nS: Tom Winship has the same reservations as you. I'll go over the\nlist with him.\nK: Okay. This was your idea, not mine. Second, if I'm useful, I\nam trying to explain our thinking, not to change anybody's mind. But I\ndon't want to turn it into an evangelical exercise.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nMr. Kissinger\nMr. Edward Molina (Ford Motor Co.)\n5:40 p.m., 12-10-70\nM:\nThis is Ed Molina. I am a Vice President of the Ford\nMotor Company. Mr. Ford tried to reach you to pose\na problem. Our dealer body suggested that Ford go to\nSantiago in the early days of January and meet with\nAllende. The Chairman was reluctant to do so. But\nthese men urged him to make the trip saying it would do\nsome good because Allende would receive this as a sign\nthat the Western World was not turning on him and Mr.\nFord thought if that was so he would do it but if it was\ncontrary to what the Government feels he should do, he\nwould not do it.\nK:\nThat is extremely courteous of him. What was he supposed\nto say to Allende?\nM:\nWe have a plant there and the company will submit bid\nalong with others and some will be in and some will be\nout. The thought was that Mr. Ford would come down and\nexpress the fact that Ford has been in Chile for some years,\nthat we would like like to stay friends and Allende would\nuse this as propaganda with the press.\nK:\nWhen must you have an answer?\nM:\nWell, we are going in to see Charlie Meyers on the 21st\nor. 22d of December. If we could get an answer any time\nprior to that.\nK:\nI will let you know what the President thinks on that. I\nwill make sure to call Mr. Ford personally.\nM:\nWell, he is off to Europe.\nK:\nWell, do you want me to call you?\nM:\nYes, please. My number is 313/322-3290.\nK:\nI will call you before the 20th. Is Mr. Ford coming back\nfor that?\nM:\nNo. Mr. Ford will be back January 2d.\nK:\nI will be in touch with you well before the date.\nmlh\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nPresident/Kissinger\n5:45 pm\n12/10/70\nP: We aren't training some Cambodians are we?\nK: No.\nP: What's that true line. Fulbright will??? ? ? ?. I want a short answer.\nK: The answer is no but I will check it to be sure.\nP: I want to be XSXX certain. If I don't hear from you, I will assume are not.\nK: I will check right away.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nSecretary Laird\n12/10/70 ca. 6:00 p.m.\nL: I just talked with Dan and he told me\n[the President's line\nrang; K said he would call back].\nK: I was told that was what you wanted.\nL: Yes, but don't put it in writing. We should never get the Pres-\nident involved. All hell is going to break loose on this 17, 000\nK: My bureaucracy told me you wanted it in writing.\nL: No, and I don't want you to project it four months in advance.\nWe want to give the impressing that we are trying to work toward zero\ndraft calls.\nK: I signed it because it was put before me and I thought that's what you\nwanted. I'll call it back.\nL: Okay, do that. And get it back from Selective Service.\nK: Your staff asked for it.\nL: They never did.\nK: That's what Haig tells me. Murphy asked for it.\nL: He never did. The President never announced draft calls in history\nof Sexex Selective Service. He's never put numbers on the draft calls. One\nmonth is all right, but don't give me four.\nK: You are right. I will call it back. One thing, are we training any\nCambodians?\nL: Yes.\nK: Oh really? How many?\nL: We are training as far as helicopters now and the South Vietnamese\nadvisors are training Cambodians in South Vietnam.\nK: But about how many?\nL: I would say right off hand, about 60 in helicopter training and several\nhundred advisors.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nSecretary Laird\n12/10/70 ca. 6:00 p.m. page 2\nK: But these are trained by the South Vietnamese?\nL: Right. But we aren't training these in Cambodia; we are training\nthem in South Vietnam.\nK: Okay, I'll tell the President. Finally, Bob Haldeman thinks you\nshould call Finch and raise hell with him.\nL: I don't raise hell with anybody in the White House but you.\nK: I am turning you loose on Finch.\nL: If you want me to do it I will.\nK: Well, let's not worry about that now.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nMr. Kissinger/Tricia Nixon/The President\n7!'45 p.m., December 10, 1970\nTN:\nHi Mr. Kissinger, this is Tricia Nixon. What did you think, that's\nwhy we are calling.\nK:\nI thought your father was spectacular. This was by far the best press\nconference he has ever held.\nTN:\nWhy the best?\nK:\nFirst of all, all this talk about extensive campaigns and so forth.\nAnyone who listened to him tonight would know that he is concerned\nfor the country and is willing to make the hard decisions. The press\nhas been spooking him on the November 3 foreign policy but he was\nconciliatory and extremely tough.\nTN:\nDaddy wants to hear from you too.\nP:\nHenry.\nK:\nMr. President, I think it was spectacular, the best that I have ever\nheard. Really playing it with superlative, from every aspect\noutstanding.\nP:\nI really stuck it into Hanoi.\nK:\nReally masterful and you really stuck it to Hanoi. Nothing but the\nnational interest. The bombing issue, that must have rattled their\nteeth.\nP:\nThe New York Times will have a horrible editorial tomorrow. Why\nwe didn't tell the Senate, but I thought there were intelligence reasons\nnot to handle it that way.\nK:\nVery flip answers, \"No, I do not\". From a foreign policy point, this\nwas ideal. If I had staffed it, it wouldn't have been as good.\nP:\nDidn't get the Middle East in there. The State Department wanted\nme to kick the Soviets on that.\nK:\nWhen you spoke of the balances of power\nP:\nAnd the Cambodia thing - - the best investment wehave ever made.\nK:\nGiven the limitations of time and so forth.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nPage 2\nMr. Kissinger/The President\n7:45 p.m., December 10, 1970\nP:\nI was awful tough with these guys. Handled well was their crap\nabout press conferences sort of language.\nK:\nYou altered between being firmly in charge and being easy. Since\nNovember 3, they have been trying to spook you. Anyone seeing you\ntonight would know you are patriotic and warm towards people. The\n20 million or so or whatsex however many were watching.\nP:\nThe Angela Davis thing, I never should have said that. Well, I\nmade a mistake.\nK:\nI was concerned with all the things that have been building up.\nP:\nThe railroad strikes -- nobody asked about the railroad strikes.\nThought that would be covered -- they have been sending me stuff\nall day on that.\nK:\nThought the answers were superb.\nP:\nLeft it wide open -- wasn't it good the fact that with regard to the\nSoviets, Mr. Gromyko and I had some other things we talked about --\nof course, the President discussed other things.\nK:\nYou gave a message to the Russians.\nP:\nWhat was the message?\nK:\nWe want to talk seriously with the Russians. You talked just enough\nabout the Chinese.\nP:\nWide open on the bombing. If there is anything to hit tomorrow, hit it.\nK:\nYou haven't been\non reconnaissance.\nP:\nOn reconnaissance and infiltrations. On infiltrations, we will bomb\nanything that moves.\nK:\nIdeal from a foreign policy point. I am no expert on public opinion\nbut a lot of this talk we have been hearing since November 3\nP:\nNovember 5th.\nK:\nThat's what I meant\nP:\nOh, well.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nPage 3\nMr. Kissinger/The President\n7:45 p.m., December 10, 1970\nK:\nIn any case I believe 95% of the liberal press are trying to spook\nyou.\nP:\nThe Franko article on 40 questions they ought to ask.\n???\nK:\nYou dominated this. Not a certain amount of ingratiating\nP:\n(turned away from phone) You think so Tricia -- never ingratiating --\nhe liked that.\nK:\nYou have never had a poor press conference but this one was\nabsolutely outstanding.\nP:\nWill have a few more and not worry about how they are. Here at\nthe White House, they expect every one to be a winner.\nK:\nYou had one today in foreign policy and domestic, the whole\ndemeanor.\nP:\nTricia says this is out of the park.\nK:\nThat's what I think.\nP:\nWill you call Rogers and see what he thought?\nK:\nRight, Mr. President.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nMr. Kissinger\nSecretary Laird\n12/10/70; 7:50 p. m.\nK: The President wanted me to check with you and see what you\nthought.\nL: I thought it went along very well. I don't think there is any problem\nas far as the understanding.\nK: I guess there is no difficulty any more what the understanding is.\nL: I don't have any problem on that. This is what I have been trying\nto say all along. I think it went along well.\nK: I just sent you a letter. I just wanted to clear the record so I\nsent you a letter saying we accept the recommendation for January.\nL: I have some problems with the other parts of the press conference.\nK: With what?\nL: I like Rummy but Rummy is not the kind of guy that is going to\nhelp as far as party problems in the Congress and up on the Hill. But\nit's thinks you aren't involved in.\nK: But I am learning politics from two real pros.\nL: We have to bring a few of the people along like Les Arends, Bob\nDole who were kicking them all the time. I will talk to you about that --\nbut you aren't involved\nK: I can sometimes talk to them.\nfeg\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nMr. Kissinger/Rose Mary Woods\n7:55 p.m., December 10, 1970\nW:\nI have a message that they are eating and to get any messages and\nhe will pick up the messages later.\nK:\nThat's okay, if he is going to take that attitude.\nW:\nAre you going to be there?\nK:\nFor another 10 minutes. Rogers is out of town and giving a talk.\nLaird liked it very much -- bitching about Rumsfeld whom he\ndoesn't like but he thought the President was outstanding. I talked\nto Stennis, he didn't see it because he was off doing something while\nthe press conference was on but he talked to his wife afterwards and\nhis wife was raving about it -- she said that they asked some nasty\nquestions. Don't you think it was outstanding?\nW:\nThey were sort of loaded for bear.\nK:\nDidn't ingratiate himself. Sharp and to the point, he was the President.\nIn my area if I could have drafted every question ahead of time, I\ncouldn't have done it as good. I wouldn't say this to anyone else but\nI thought this afternoon his nerves were so tight and then he got up\nthere and did it like a master. He put a stop to this talk about\ndividing the country.\nW:\nAnother thing, something was missing -- these fellows were screaming\nfor a press conference and the biggest thing of the day -- the railroad\nstrikes, they didn't even ask about.\nK:\nI will be here another 10 minutes, then I am going out to dinner.\nW:\nYou will leave word where you are?\nK:\nYes and\nOperator:\nMiss Woods, may I cut in please?\n8:15\nConversation Continued -\nW:\nHi Henry, that was\njust the house telling me that\nthey are going to eat. When he calls, I will give him the message.\nK:\nI am going to dinner with Gwen Dobson.\nW:\nOh, my.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nMr. Kissinger\nSenator Stennis\n12/10/70; 8:00 p.m.\nK: I am calling you about that appropriations bill. There is a provision\nwhich says that no part of this money can be used to support South\nVietnamese forces anywhere. Now we really feel strong -- as the\nPresident said today we are not going to put ground forces there --\nbut we feel it essential that we keep the South Vietnamese free to\nmove in and there if necessary. We think if we can keep them\nfrom e-establishing their sanctuaries in '71 we can complete a good\npart of this program, no matter what else happens. I will be delighted\nto arrange a briefing for you. It is one thing the President and I\nhave felt so strongly about. I was wondering if you would look at\nyour position again.\nS: Let's be certain we are talking about the same bill.\nK: The one that is going to Conference on Saturday -- - - what is it,\nSection 45 or something like that. Mel Laird Iread it to me today.\nS: Is that what we call the Cooper-Church Amendment. I was not for\nit. I did mnot make a fight on it. I am going -- this is strictly in\nconfidence now I am going to talk to Mahon about it. I feel sheepish\nabout it. It was handled by Allen(?) -- Senator Russell ordinarily\nhandles it.\nK: If you could keep that in mind.\nS: I will -- but that is confidential.\nK: I will tell it only to the President. I will not mention it even to Mel\nLaird.\nS: We are talking about the same bill?\nK: It's the Cooper/Church\nS: I imagine Mr. Mahon and his group will be opposed to it. XXXXXXX\nK: I will give his group a call on it tomorrow.\nS: I will be glad to help but I can't say anything much publicly.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nMr. Kissinger/Sen. Stennis\n12/10/70; 8:00 p.m.\n- 2 -\nK: How did you feel about the President's press conference?\nS: I missed it. (There was some talk here about a bill being passed\nbut I was detracted and did not get it) Mrs. Stennis thought he was\nsplendid. She said they goaded him but he handled it. Give the\nPresident my regards and tell him what Mrs. Stennis said.\nK: I will call him now.\nS: I don't mean making a special call. I certainly will be with you\non this.\nfeg\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nMr. Kissinger/Ron Ziegler\n8:05 p.m., December 10, 1970\nZ:\nI think we have an understanding.\nK:\nHe was outstanding.\nZ:\nI think we have established an understanding. When he calls, one\nthing would be good for you to pass on to him. TASS correspondent\nwas there and said let me recap what he said there.\nK:\nWhat did he say?\nZ:\nReviewing briefly what the President had said.\nK:\nWhat did the press say? Really think that in my area, if I could\nhave written it, it wouldn't have been as good.\nZ:\nWhat did you think about Rogers -- the Cambodian thing?\nK:\nI would have done it a little different, but it went very well.\nZ:\nAnd the Hoover question.\nK:\nThat was good too.\nZ:\n%\nR\nthing, housing thing bother you any?\nK:\nDon't know it that well but it didn't bother me.\nI am in favor of\nsegregation and said so to Hedley Donovan out at lunch the other\nday.\nZ:\nYeah.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nMr. Kissinger/Rose Mary Woods\n8:15 -- Conversation Continued\nK:\nI think she is a friend.\nW:\nJust saying \"oh my¹¹ because you are going to dinner.\nK:\nOkay, Rose Mary.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nAmb. Mosbacher/Kissinger\nearly morning\n12/11/70\nK:\nOn the Un, you can gather, you moved suddenly yesterday. I knew\nwhat they were considering. They were wavering but they have gone back\nto you.\nM: Jordan, you mean. I have called Nelson to talk with him. I will try to\ntalk with him today. He's in Albany. The only problem in my mind is if\nit is worth the effort. I will see you Sunday night and we can talk on the plane\ncoming down.\nK: You are pretty presumptuous.\nM: You invited me. You should be careful what you say. If you are going to\nbe up there will you be free Sat. night? (chatter)\nYou feel we should\nconsider this pretty seriously and not just a side wise move. It's a lot of effort\nto learn a new job.\nK: It could collapse and not work but it's also a crucial area now and might work\nM: Let's think about that. The other thought is whether anything can be done\nwith this job. It has never been done but whether it can be useful in a substantive\nway. I will talk with Nelson and if you could\nK: I will call him during the day.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nSisco/Kissinger\n12:35 pm\n12/11/70\nS: You are in a hurry.\nK: No, you are.\nS: I am told you running off.\nK: That's right.\nS: In conversation this morning with Dayan I wish to report that the Secy.\nsaid when Dayan said we are concerned because there's no decision on\nconsistency of deliveries and this is the last in Dec. and thing will stop,\nthe Secy. said we can take care of that while you are here. That's what\nthe President's letter said. Pilot can be continued. He has taken the\nview of giving them something on short range so no break in deliveries.\nThis is what you and I have been pleading for a month.\nK: Where does that leave us?\nS: As soon as The said this I thought I should get this to you. XIX I told the\nSecy. Dayan is about to see Mel Laird, so he better talk to Laird to be sure\nthey are talking with the same voice. I didn't object because you and I think\nthis is good. The purpose of this call is to inform you and let it ride and\nif it works out with the Secy. and Laird I will do a memo. to you right away.\nK: Let's keep it going.\nS: That's what I though you would say. What kind of man have we got in NY?\nGood on the M.E.?\nK: Much better. Much more responsive to me. You and I will work out his\norders. You tell me what you want and I will tell him. That's the understanding\nS: That's great.\nK: No memos undercutting you. He has political ambitions.\nS: Why don't se change is residency right away and suggest he XXXX become\na resident of NYCity.\nK: I know him well. I don't know his views on the M. E. but he will be\nausceptible to suggestions.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nMax Ascoli/Kissinger\n12:41 pm\n12/11/70\nK: How are you?\nA: Fine.\nK: Have yunx to go to a meeting. I will be in NY Sunday and I thought I could\nsave you a trip on Monday. If you are free for dinner Sunday night.\nA: In that case -- you couldn't come for\n?\nK: I doubt it.\nA: I will arrange everything. Tell me the hour.\nK: 7:30.\nA: You can stay for dinner.\nK: Could I bring Nancy?\nA: If you leave right after dinner, I will kill you.\nK: My plane will leave at 10:30.\nA: OK. I will come to Washington at another time. Come to 23 Gramercy.\nK: May I bring Nancy?\nA: By all means. I was going to suggest that. We will have an hour by ourselve\nafter an hour with two charming ladies of very different age?\nK: Certainly.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nMr. Kissinger/Robert Evans\n1:05 p. m., December 11, 1970\nK:\nIt doesn't look now as if I will be able to make it - maybe\nafterwards. Something has been arranged at the Boston Globe\nwhich I have to do in the afternoon. The obstacle is the retirement\nparty for somebody I don't even particularly like.\nE:\nWhy don't you get out of it?\nK:\nThey asked me so many weeks ago, and I think they set it\nin part on that date because I said I was going to be there. If they\nread in the papers that I went to a premiere instead.\nBut I would\nlove to come.\nE:\nIt will have a tremendous crowd and a wonderful bunch of\npeople. I think it is also important that you see it for your own\npurposes. It is the kind of picture that will bring motion pictures\nback to America. It is clean, beautiful, and a lovely love story.\nK:\nI have no trouble in wanting to see it I need no convincing.\nIt's how to get out of this other. There's no way I can go without\nappearing in the newspapers.\nE:\nYou could sneak in 5 minutes after it starts. I could have\ntwo seats for you. It starts at 8:30 and you could come at 8:45;\nbut if you can't, I understand. Do you think you could come down\nfor the party?\nK:\nThat's more possible. Where is it?\nE:\nThe Hippapotomus at E. 53rd and Lexington. It will go on\ntill 11:00. Do you want me to call you on Tuesday?\nXX\nK:\nWhere will you be?\nE:\nI'll be in New York staying at the Sherry Netherland.\nK:\nLet one get in touch with the other.\nE:\nOn Tuesday. At least try to get to the party, but if you can\nget down earlier, I will arrange for you to get in incognito.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nMr. Kissinger/Robert Evans\n1:05 p.m., December 11, 1970\n- 2 -\nK:\nI would like to very much. I'm sorry, but the date was\nmade months ago.\nE:\nThat's too bad.\nK:\nAt any rate, I will see the movie.\nE:\nI'll send it down to you.\nK:\nCan you do that? Are you coming through Washington?\nE:\nNo; Allie is in her eighth month. She has to get some rest.\nShe shouldn't even have flown here. Allie is dying to come to\nWashington -- she's never been there. I will be there in March.\nK:\nTell me who you would like to meet and I'll make arrangements.\nYou will have more interesting people at the Hippapotomus than I\ncan get in Washington for you.\nE:\nThere will be a lot of action and a lot of fun.\nK:\nI will be on the West Coast the last week in December\nE:\nWe will be there, too. We will get together.\nK:\nIn Washington, I can arrange tours in Washington. The\nFBI has a super tour.\nE:\nI haven't been in Washington in 20 years, and I look forward\nto it. I will call you on Tuesday if I can make it on Wednesday night.\nThis is a picture the country has been waiting for; I'll send you a print.\nlds\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nMr. Kissinger/ Admiral Moorer (Secure Phone)\n7:00 p. m., December 11, 1970\nK:\nTom, you called me?\nM:\nI was returning your call but since I got you, I'll bring you up to\ndate. Got the message back from Abrams, can do the operation\nwith the ARVN facilities but takes a little longer. From a south\nto an administrative left. Mel Laird has approved it and I am just\nwaiting for it to come down, go out concurring. I have the text of\nit here, I'll read it to you. This is to Abrams and we are cutting\nin Phnom Penh and Bunker. (Read the text of the message to\nAbrams.) Think this will get the thing off the ground.\nin Lon Nol and Phnom Penh.\nK:\nNow will you bomb around Kampong Cham because the President\nis driving me out of my mind.\nM:\nWe have 20 sorties going in there now, B-52 sell. We have almost\ntripled the action in that area. I want you to know I am doing this\nby telephone.\nK:\nI understand, that's fine. Knew you were going to come through on\nthe operation. The President keeps asking me for a report.\nM:\nThe operation may not go for a few days, it takes a little time to\nassemble.\nK:\nThat's okay because we want it done right.\nM:\nIncluded Swank and Bunker so they would know what we are doing.\nK:\nAbsolutely.\nwgh\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nYoshida/Kissinger\n12:00 noon\n12/12/70\nXxxx\nY: I have the following message to you from my own friend for your own\ninformation. He and his top aides have aad a meeting three hours ago\non a cable received from our expert at your place.\nK: Yes.\nY: It's the firm intention of my friend that we must have an agreement. He\nis hopeful by next Thurs or Friday at the latest. My friend would like to\nhave one more meeting of the two experts inbetween. Perhaps Sunday\ntomorrow. in order to get some of the points clarified and have further\ndiscussions to come to an agreement. This is also because of tactical\nconsiderations of internal politics.\nK: You are accepting our proposal in principle?\nY: I think so. In order to avoid any confusion in the negotiations at this\nstage, my friend asked me to explain the two following factors. Sunday,\ntomorrow, a special team of 4 members of MITI is scheduled to arrive\nthere and meet with\nat Capitol Hill. They will not negotiate but have\nuseful exchange of views.\nK: Who will they meet with?\nY:\n,\nSen. Long, like that. In hope of a favorable climate for\nagreement. This is important for our political point of view as we have\nto bexunited backing and support of our government particularly to persudde\nthe industry to accept the agreement.\nK: I understand.\nThere\nY: xixlxexyx will be a final committee meeting of both Houses of the Diet next\nMonday and Tuesday. By decree of the Constitution my friend must attend\nall day long and reply to all questions raised on the issues and SO he needs\n3 more days to make decisions. Everything has been leaked (?) in our\npress. He is well aware of the deadline and is not consorting to delaying\ntactics. He is resolved to have an agreement and once his decision is made\nit should be left to the hands of the two experts and an agreement between\nthem without much time or difficulty. We will accept the list (or last) as\nformal agreement.\nK: I appreciate this and I will be in touch with our people and keep an eye\non it.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nYoshida/Kissinger\n12:00 noon\n12/12/70\n-2-\nY: I may have to call you again at the final stage.\nK: You are x free to do that.\nY: In the meantime my friend has called me and told me to convey this.\nK: I appreciate this and tell your friend I appreciate his courtesy. I will\ntalk to you in the middle of the week.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nPeter Flanigan/Mr. Kissinger\n(paraphrased)\nDecember 12, 1970 12:20 p.m. IO\njlj\nF: When I had my physical they found out that I was falling apart.\nK: You should stop drinking. Don't all Irishmen drink? Pete, I\nhad another call from Japan. They want our professional to meet\nonce mar e.\nF: OK professional. What are you giving up today?\nK: They said they were accepting your proposal from yesterday\nbut they need to talk with you once more for XXXXXX cosmetic reasons.\nF: What are they wanting to meet. We have a meeting scheduled\nfor tomorrow. Say Henry, there is a move afoot that you should be\naware of. An agreement that the President entered into with XXX\nLong. Trade portion striken from three-headed bill. They attach\nit with the revenue bill and it would sail right through. In my view\nshould not just do that for following reasons: 1. Japanese relations\n2. our virginity in this issue bad 3. impressions of some limitations.\nThat would be great if they really mean it. Do you want a voluntary\nagreement if we could get one now?\nK: Yes, but I would not want to make any more concessions. We\nhave made many modifications.\nF: Do you think Sato would be strengthened by no agreement and\ntextile bill.\nK: I almost think so.\nF: As opposed to this.\nK: I see no overwhelming reason to get an agreement.\nF: From the President's point of view?\nK: You are a free trader basically.\nXRXeXX( Fred Bergsten on line too and difficult to tell who is talking.)\nB: Henry, don't you think in terms of the President's personal relationship\nwith Sato this would be good\ngoing back on his pledge.\nK: I am just saying that I would not make another concession. Go with\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n-2-\ngrowth rate from 9 to 14%\nB: 5%age points.\nK: Fred, I do not trust you on this point. Why don't you go to work\nfor Flanigan. You are always up there. Fred, you do not want a quota\nsystem.\nB: You should not want one either.\nK: Well, this textile business\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nNovack/Kissinger\n1:19 pm\n12/12/70\nK: I was just talking to Charlie Yost on a personal matter and he tells me\nthat Evans and you have been persuing him with the proposition that policy\ndifferences with me were the reason for his removal and that's absurd.\nN: Rollie is working on that and I doxxxx don't know anything about it. He is\naway. He wrote a piece for Monday which I haven't seen. I don't think that's\nthe theme. I don't think you are mentioned in it.\nXX\nK;: Policy differences were not mentioned in it. I don't want to go into the\ndetails. I have the highest regard for Yost and the President does and I\ndidn't know we had any policy differences.\nN: I know nothing about it.\nK: Where is Evans.\nN: I don't think you are involved. He's at the Republican Governors'\nConference at Sun Valley. At the hotel they are staying at out there.\nK: He's there now? I will call him there.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nIrwin/Kissinger\n1:25 pm\n12/12/70\nI: On the cable you gave me to Haile Selassie. I have checked with our\npeople and we have it ready to go out. We have one FYI at the end to add to it\nwhich was talked over with your people -- I am not sure -- we contemplatexx\nmilitary assistance program as before. No significant change. Two questions\none, some of our people said in talking that we understand Defense knows\nnothing about it. Should we --\nK: Absolutely. I have no interest in handling this on a Presidential basis.\nI: The other feeling I have in light of this, if we are going to keep the program\nroughtly the same, what will be the impact of the message if it's delivered\nto the Emperor? In other words, it says the President's understanding\nK: He didn't ask for an increase but only wanted X it to continue.\nI: They will have priority claim. I am not objecting but I wanted to be sure.\nK: Check it with Defense. The conversation took place Oct. 25 so we should\ndo it in the next two days.\nI: I will check with Defense and get it out next week.\nK: Can I raise one of the bitches we handing in our channel?\nI: Good channel, often a bad subject.\nK: I have been reading in the papers now and again in the NY Times today\nthat policy differences between me and Yost lead to his resignation and I\nlined up with Sisco against Yost on the M.E. That's not true. Yost was\nmy candidate for this position and I didn't know they were moving him.\nYou know I? ? ? ?. They may be-\nof differences. I don't know\nhis views on the M. E. but no differences k I have had with him wojd would\nI have tried to get him removed.\nI:\nJoe to do it. That is erroneous on your point.\nK: There was an articly by Esther Brooke. Tanner in the Times today.\nthing I\nEvans is doing one along that line for Monday. One have never\ndone. We have had extreme differences with Green on substance but I\nkept him at his job when the President wanted to remove him.\nI: You want to correct it.\nK: I don't think it should go further.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nIrwin/Kissinger\n1:25 pm\n12/12/70\n-2-\nI I will try here. I don't think it should be --\n;\nK: There aren't differences. Yost is loyal and nothing xex can undercut\nit and if he has differences, he should do it in that channel.\nI: I am leaving for NY. I will be back adx on the 7:00 shuttle.\nK: I am coming back on a government plane Sunday night. Want to come\nback with me?\nI: I go up to see Jane. I will stay until Monday.\nK: Of course. Give her my best.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nAdm. Moor er/Kissinger\n1:35 pm\n12/12/70'\nM: I just wanted you to know it will be going tomorrow night.\nK: You are satisfied on military grounds?\nM: Yes. They had a little trouble with boats. I have taken care of the other\nthing you were concerned about.\nK: The bombing.\nM: We are all set. It's not perfect but best we can do.\nK: As long as it achieves it's objectives.\nM: Yes.\nK: It's not half-hearted?\nM: No.\nK: We have to keep these operations going. We will not get credit for letting\nthem chop us to pieces.\nM: As eoon as possible.\nK: ????\nM: Absolutely. Oil taken care of.\nK: Westy has another plan.\nM: They worked up another plan.\nK: Could I have Haig look into it while he is there?\nM: He should.\nK: You just shifted the area.\nM: Just the approach area. The target is the same.\nK: I understand. We will talk next week.\nM: How is work with Schlessigner getting along?\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nAdm. Moorer/Kissinger\n1:35 pm\n12/12/70\n-2-\nK: He has agreed to 2 1/2 but sank wants to work out something else. I\nwill get him under control.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nAmb. Yest/Kissinger\nearly afternoon\n12/12/70\nK: Where are you?\nY: In NY.\nK: I wnated to call you I have been meaning to call on a personal P basis for\nseveral weeks because I read stories that disagreements between us on the M. E\nhave beax led to your resignation.\nY: Evans and Novak have said that for weeks.\nK: You were my choice for this post and nothing changed my mind. I knew\nnothing about this until 2 days before this happened.\nY: I have been puzzled about how this originated.\nK: I don't know because I stay out of personnel matters entirely. You and\nI have never impinged on each other on the M.E. Things that bother us have\nbeen tactics on 4 Power meetings.\nY: Tactics and timing.\nthat didn!t\nK: And concern me at all.\nY: I replied to all inquiries on this subject.\nK: I don't care x about the press but I have high regard for you and I don't\nwant you to think it was on a political basis and had nothing to do with\nyour performance.\nY: That's what the President said.\nK: The first I heard was that Moynihan came to me two days before he leaked\nthe story saying he was going to accept it. I didn't know before that. Alex\nwas with me when the story broke and bxex I tried to make sure your services\nwere retained in a high capacity. I don't want this to go to the press but if\nI had complaints about you, I would go to you. The last thing I would do\nwas remove a man from a position because I disagree with him. The only\ndisagreements with you were tattical and I cannot name three of them now.\nY: Of course I was aware that on taking this job as a Democrat and pro-\nfesional it was precarious.\nK: You did it with great skill and I have not the slightest feeling that there\nwere substantive differences thatxkhavenik even warrant conversation let\nalone this drastic step.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nAmb. Yost/Kissinger\nearly afternoon\n12/12/70\n-2-\nY: It annoyed me that 3 weeks passed after the leak came out before anything\nwas said.\nK: I wanted to call you the week of the leak but I couldn't. I was in touch\nwith Irwin, Johnson and the President to see what could be done to undo\nthe damage.\nY: The President was gracious yesterday.\nK: He doesn't disagree with you. That isn't the part that bothers me.\nY: They are trying to find excuses or explanations. It doesn't bother me.\nK: Since I feel responsible for the origin of the appointment and since I have\nsuch high regard for you, I hope your services will be kept.\nY: The President made some suggestions but my inclination is to go back\nto writing.\nK: You can always do that. I hope we can call on you skorxtex from time to\ntime but I wanted you to know you are not being penalized for your views.\nQuite apart from any official thing, my observation is that you performed\nwith greatxbxx humanity which did not surprise me.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nBrian McDonnell/Kissinger\nafternoon\n12/12/70\nM: How was lunch?\nK: Still going on.\nM: Everything is all right.\nK: Sure?\nM: Nothing changed but I don't want you to do that.\nK: What will you lime on?\nM: Lean on the Lord and see what x comes. But the other is wrong.\nK: Why?\nM: I don't want you - If I have to, I will do it but without your\n.\nIt's my honor.\nK: I have volunteæred it.\nM: I am against it.\nK: If I had it I would give it to you. Why not let me use my name to guarantee\nit?\nM: I would prefer not at this W time with that person. I am using my best\njudgement and Alice agrees.\nK: With all due respect Briah there are many good qualities of an Irishman,\nBut good judgment is not one of them.\nM: It keeps the race alive. Alice also wanted you to know that she agrees\nit would be wrong.\nK: On this particularlyshe has more influence with me. I will think about\nit 48 hours and come up with some proposition.\nM: The world is make so it will work out all right.\nK: Financial things are easiest to solve.\nM: There's an article about in you the Philadelphia Bulletin. An old one.\nK: I never remember it.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nMcDonnel1? Kissinger\nafternoon\n12/12/70\n-2-\nM: Winston's friend is managing editor there. I will send you a copy of it\nso you can send it to your father.\nK: My father will klxixxx thank you for it.\nM: Things rough for you right now? With all those visitors?\nK: They will get worse. Just cranking up again.\nM: Because of the Bergus situation I am worried about you.\nK: They will work out all right.\nM: Don't want to see you used.\nK: When that is reached, it's time to leave but not yet.\nM: Going in the opposite direction?\nK: No but it will be all right. When will you and Alice be down here?\nM: When this situation is cleared up.\nK: I will talk to you early next week.\nM: Don't give that pàinting back until I see it again.\nK: I won't give it back until I leave her.\nM: Could I bring someone to photograph it?\nK: Certainly.\nM: That picture really moves me.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nLen Garment/Kissinger\nafternoon\n12/12/70\n(Came in after start of conversation)\nG: I know I have been told no meeting for the time being. He felt it was a\ngood time because of political things he is doing and wondering if such a\nmeeting would be helpful. Thextoxys things to move along and get them on a\nparallel track. I want your idea if it will me messed up if Finch presents\nit on kheatxx that basis.\nK: If it gets to such -- if it's turned around that he feels something from him -\nG: Managed in some way so they will be doing something helpful.\nK: Given the personalities involved, the think the opportune moment has been\nmissed. If it works easy, fine, and if not --\nG: If he can camoflage (?) it.\nK: You should tell your freind that they shouldn't press it now.\nG: Downstairs?\nK: I don't know if it's upstairs or downstairs. Finch shouldn't press it\ndownstairs.\nG: He is so dense.\nK: He has satisfied that his ego will prevail.\nG: In the face of need. I would like a few minutes of your time during the\nweek when you can spare it.\nK: It's important that you do it. Call monday morning.\nG: I will.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nThe President/Mr. Kissinger\n(paraphrased)\nDecember 12, 1970 3:00 p.m.\njlj\nP: Did you get a book good bill of health.\nK: Yes. They have to check the lab tests.\nP: You think you will live. On this Cambodian thing I noted\nin the news summaries that they are very pessimistic with Cronkite\nreporting they have just three week to survive.\nK: That is completely ridiculous Unless our intelligence is all\nwrong. Have one unit in that area. Same troop as in the Compong\nChong area. We have solved the problem that concerned you the\nother day. We are getting South Vietnamese to airlift to get the\ntroops in - the South Vietnamese that is. AccXngX According to\nyour orders the supplies are going in with American plans.\nP: They can do that. Supplies is fine. They are there to unload the\nsupplies if they are needed too.\nK: That's Vietnamese troops.\nP: I understand.\nK: That thing is going to start tomorrow night. That will xxxxxxxx\nrelieve pressure on that village that was in the news. Then in\n2 weeks or 6 weeks from now when the rainy season is over and the\nroads dry up\nP: Did the bombing strikes do any good?\nK: We tripled and quadrupled\nThe only thing is we only have\nCambodian ground observers and we can't really tell. But it did\nhelp morale. That thing I talked to you about yesterday\nis starting on Thursday. 25,000 SVM,\n,\n10, 000 Cambodians\nThen in three weeks going to do the other thing. That will\ndeal with the tip of it. We will have to wait until Haig comes back\nto see if we want to go ahead with the other things.\nP: Do we have a plan of bombing of choke points in the North yet?\nK: My recommendation is to wait until we get all plans together\n(mention made of alternatives) and tie it up with outever else we want\nto do, otherwise we will be piddling around over there and everyone\nwill be raising hell with ever little thing. We have to wait until\nthe roads dry out. The rainy season lasted a month longer than we\nthought it would. That is why the week of Jan. 1st was chosen.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n-2-\nP: When do you have your meeting with Mr. D.\nK: Friday. If it is all right with you I will go up to Camp David in\nthe morning and then come back in the afternoon. Not going to stay for lunch.\nP: Oh sure. That is fine. Nothing is going to be done at lunch.\nWe probably won't get much done. This Camp David thing is just a\nspecial treat for him.\nK: It is very thoughtful of you. Ambassador Freeman suggested if\nyou wanted to perhaps you could take a walk or something with Heath\nfor 30 minutes or so. He may want to talk to you in private about\ndomestic political things. Maybe offer whatever he decently can do to be\nhelpful.\nP: Oh sure. That would be easy to arrange at Camp David. I think\nhe will really enjoy being there.\nK: He was quite eager to be invited.\nP: With our going up it is even nicer.\nK: That is right. It is very nice of you. They have been very very\nhelpful. I have invited the Chief of their intelligence to a meeting\nlast week. - on the Indian Ocean. It was a very good thing and he added\na lot to our meeting. They write papers so succintly. XXXXXXXX If\nonly from the X aesthetics it was a pleasure.\nP: Isn't it something that two major networks broadcast and believe\nthis bullshit about Cambodia?\nK: I have looked at the situation unless our intelligence is so bad that\nwe are totally mislead. Intelligence says there are only 3, 000 XXXX\nNorth Vietnamese in there\nToday for example we have solved\nthe oil problem. I just talked with Adm. Moorer and they are sending it\nup the XXXX Mekong. When a road is cut it takes them a long time\nto get to the cut place but then they open it up. They only open up as\nfar as they need to travel. Road between Sihanoukville and Phnom Penh\nis cut now and we have moved in some South Vietnamese troops because\nthey are more quick on their feet\n1100 North Vietnamese in that\nhole general area. Now they have just small forces in there. Several\nweeks from now when some of their forces start moving in (after rainy\nseason) we will have a problem with massive troops.\nP: We do have a preemptive move planned don't we?\nK: We have several. One starting early in XXXXX January. It cannot\nbegin now because roads are water logged. Right now we are fine but it\nis the dry season that we have to worry about.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n-3-\nP: Fine. It is interesting to note that some senators are squealing\nabout\ngave Laird a tough time about bombing.\nMansfield has restrained. They are in the wrong wicket.\nNot everyone feels this way.\nK: I was at the French Embassy last night at a party. / Nancy Dickerson\nis no heavy weight but she said to Mike Mansfield who was sitting\nbeside her that she could not see how to argue with the rationale that\nas long as we are pulling out there is no reason why we swukdxotx should\nnot maintain enough force while we are doing it. That is the reaction\nI get from many people.\nP: It will be if it continues too long. The press gave hardly any play\nto our low casualties - being down to 27. It was a good thing that I\ngot it in the press conference. We reached about 40, 000, 000 with\nthe press conference.\nK: It was a spectular success. Apparently Novak said\none\nnews summry said that you seemed scared.\nP: (laughter) scared!?\nK: Even Kay Graham (she was at the party last night) said you were\noutstanding last night. She didn't know why press wanted more conferences\nbecause you xlx always got the better of them.\nP: People are just trying to create an impression with someone who did not\nsee it.\nK: Substance and Non-substance - the impression you made\nwas good. That bit about the mistake you made when\nhad\nno question and then you said we would go to the right or the left -\nwhichever way you turned. It was great.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nRoland Evans/Mr. Kissinger\n(paraphrased)\nDecember 12, 1970 3:45 p.m.\njlj\nK: Upper crust really knows how to live. I was going to give you\na leak and where are you. Out skiing.\nE: I am here to work. I just want you to know that. I got up and\nwas on the slopes by 8 a. m. and I just got in and now I am going to\nwork. What do you have for me?\nK: I talked to Charlie Yost, who is a personal friend, and you are\ngoing to say that I was responsible for his removal because of\npolicy differences with me on the Middle East. I do not see anything\nthat is further from the truth. There is nothing that is further from\nthe truth.\nE: I would not worry about it Henry.\nK: Number one is that I don't have much contact with him on policy\nissues on the Middle East and I would never never seek the removal\nof anybody. I obviously cannot go into all the details of this thing.\nE: I have tried to talk to Charlie Yost all week. He would not return\nmy call. If you see him you might tell him he should have picked up\nthe phone and called me. But there is a story here and I just wrote\nit for Monday. But it will not bother you at all. I did not say that\nyou caused his removal but someone did.\nK: When you say it will not bother me at all are you dealing with\nmy paranoia?\nE: It W only touches Kissinger.\nK: In defense of Charlie I would like to say that even if you had reached\nhim he could not have told you that I had nothing to do with this decision.\nHe has been badly hurt - personally I mean too.\nE: Yes, I agree but I do not think that you have hurt him. There is\na story here and it has been written for Monday. How are you doing\notherwise?\nK: I am staggering along.\nE: You might tell the Administration to get somebody out here to talk\nto the Republican governors. The only one they are sending is Agnexx\na man called Agnew and he is not even on the schedule.\nTuesday\nnight and the next morning will meet privately. I think they will give\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n-2-\nhim a piece of their mind. Things about the campaign and the state\nof the Republican party.\nK: If they get into my area you get on the phone to me and let me know.\nE: I have heard a lot of talk x out here about Rockefeller.\nK: For what?\nEX E: For President.\nK: Don't say that. That would give me a nervous breakdown.\nE: There are a lot of people dissatisfied. Well Henry, I have already\nwritten it and you won't be bothered.\nK: Hand that wexxx held the dagger struck it in his friend's back\nE: I cut that out. I will be back on Wednesday. I would like to come\nover to see you late next week.\nK: Ummm. Tomorrow\nE: Wednesday or Thursday.\nK: Either this week or the week after.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nJoseph Kraft/Mr. Kissinger\n(paraphrased)\nDecember 12, 1970 3:50 p.m.\njlj\nK: I just got back a couple of hours ago and I have a telegram here from\nHanoi from Nygo Gin (phonetic). I don't know whether you know him or\nnot. I have been in touch with him for some time. It is about my previous\nrequest for coming there. It is asking me to please outline questions\nI would ask, places to visit and subject matter for your projected\nvisit so that we can make a decision on this proposed visit. I should\nfirst tell you my groundrules. I will tell you everything that I am going\nto do but I will write the story. I do not want to embarrass you. I would\nappreciate you comments. But I do not want you to feel that you are\ngetting involved in this.\nHAK: Before you go I would like to talk to you in some detail.\nK: I am not sure that I am going. You know these guys.\nHAK: You will go.\nK: Let me read this to you. (reading) his reply). 1. bilateral relations\nbetween Hanoi and Washington and the Nixon Administration\nvisit\nto sites\n2. Laos and Cambodia as seen by DRV\n3future of\nSoutheast Asia and role of possible\nand 4. daily life in DRV\nincluding visits to schools, etc.\nHAK: There is only one thing that I would like to have you change - the\nview of DRV to US Government policy rather than Nixon policy.\nK: Right.\nHAK: What time did you get back?\nK: 2 hours ago.\nHAK: I am anxious to talk to you on Chile. I thought your articles\non it were very perceptive. They run along my views.\nK: I wanted to talk to you. How about the Harper's article? I have not seen\nit.\nHAK: I will call you on Monday. I have not seen it yet. General Haig's\nson read it and called his father to tell him that he thought he had not been\ndealt with fairly in it.\nK: What!\nHAK: He said that in it he is saying things about me. Haig has gone\noff to look at Cambodia and South Vietnam and will be back next week.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n-2-\nAfter his son called he thought he should talk to me about it. But\nI know that Haig\nYou must remember it is a 17 year old boy who\nread the article. He may not have all the background to understand it.\nK: I thought there would be other points of disagreement but that one\nnever entered my head.\nHAK: I am anxious to talk to you about Chile.\nK: You are the author of one of the phrases in it. \"We have stuck\nto making\nHAK: Was that from one of my backgrounders. I thought it was don't\nlet's kid ourselves that he is a Marxist.\nK: No not that. The other - you are the one that put that phrase\nin my head.\nHAK: Oh, in a private talk. The thing we must do is not to let them\nfeel that we are objecting solely on the grounds that it is a Marxist\nleader apart from any policies that he might follow. It is good to\nhave you back. If you send the cable just send it with that one change\nabout government rather than making it personal to the President.\nK: Are there a lot of these out do you know?\nHAK: To the best of my knowledge this is the only one.\nWrite\nwhat you want but there are some things I would like you to say that\nI might find helpful - attitudes, etc.\nK: Please be assured that it will be just between you and me.\nHAK: I have no fear of that.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nDr. and Mrks. Hoffman/Kissinger\n4:00 pm\n12/12/70\nH: We wanted to thank you.\nK: You were very nice to bring this group down.\nH: You impressed them very much. We debriefed on the palas plane and later\nThey were impressed by you and your efforts of talking candidly.\nMrs. H: They believed you completely.\nH: They were very moved. Your honesty intimidated them. That's why they\nasked silly questions.\nK: The girl who started out like a house afire was sweet at the end.\nH: She is much baxiegh brighter than her questions seemed.\nK: And tortured.\nH: They were very grateful and would be delighted to do it again.\nK: Let's do it early in the new year. They have to do what they have to do\nand we do it in a complicated way.\nH: And then you read the newspapers. Laird statements yesterday.\nK: They can't see it but not everything is orchestrated.\nH: But they can't believe that.\nK: It's impossible to believe that.\nH: They heard a bulletin yesterday while we were eating dinner. They see\nthe hopelessnes of working it out. One hand doing it and one hand doing\nsomething else.\nK: It's hard to work together. I am appreciative that you called. I am\nplanning to come on the 16th. Will it be over by 10:00?\nH: 9:30 or so. Incidentally, with that group of students yesterday the\nwould have no objection to your coming back again.\nMrs H: In fact, they were anxious to have you back.\nK: The girl probably would have been against it.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nHoffman/Kissinger\n4:00 pm\n12/12/70\n-2-\nH: Not after.\nK: One can so rarely do what one wants in this job.\nH: Any chance of getting a rest?\nK: Not much. Might get a vacation after the end of February and the\nannual report.\nH: Not for one hour a day?\nK: No\nMRs. H: If deGaulle could --\nK: He had power and I have to maneuver.\nMrs. H: When you are here Wed. and would like to come back for a drink,\nplease do.\nK: I will if it's over at 9:30. Is it a mixed affair?\nH: Yes.\nK: I will get to tabxex see the wives of my colleagues.\nMrs. H: I will not ber there. I can't stand that kind of group.\nK: Neither can I!\nMrs. H: I will see you here after.\nK: Thank you for calling and I appreciated your brining the group down.\nH: We will see you in February.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified."
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