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Cline/Kissinger
10:45 a.m. 4/8/71
C: The world isn't falling apart but I have a problem. You remember the
committee you authorized
to set up on Social Science Research on
Foreign Affairs? The State Dept. wants to send out a press release on the
forming of the committee and what it's doing. Everything is unclassified except
the NSDM which is Limited Official Use. Can we put it all out?
K: I would like to see what you are putting out.
C: It's all taken from the Ad Hoc Committee report.
K: I have no problem with that.
C: I suggested a few days ago and they wanted to do it today. I wanted to check
with you. I do want to talk about intelligence problems with you.
K: Let's do it in the next few weeks.
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Laird/Kissinger
10:50 a.m.
4/8/71
L: I want to make - I am concerned about the Pierce report transmittal to
the WH. I don't want it to get out that it's over there. How do you think?
K: Send it to Ehrlichman through my office.
L: Do you think it's better not to put it in the WH and he can read it over here?
K: That's better.
L: I am afraid that someone is talking too much over there. I don't want them
to say it's over there and then pressure on the President to release it. Rather
keep it here.
K: I will tell Ehrlichman to read it over there. You are doing a great kindness.
L: How the hell too much talk about that now.
K: Another thing. Why don't you and I have breakfast next week? Part of the
time alone. I would like to straighten out the crossed wires. I want to see what
we can do to help out.
L: How about Tues. morning? I think it's most helpful.
Further conversation: 10:55 a.m.
K: One thing I forgot to mention. Could we have a paper over here when we
could go to all volunteer army in VN and under what circumstances. We might
not be able to do it.
L: Worldwide and VN cannot be done together. We have to choose one or the othe
K: Suppose the President Can we do it on two assumptions? That we maintain
all volunteer worldwide and if he puts it off a ** few years?
L: You could but not all volungeer force in '73.
K: We will not do anything.
L: At the time we set the goal world wide we thought about VN. They wanted then
to go worldwide.
K: Let's look at the VN opeion again.
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Ron Ziegler
4/8/71 2:00 p.m.
Z: I will be asked about the Carl Taylor thing -- I already have been.
I'm going to say no one but the President knew he was going to use it.
K: You can say it but it won't be true.
Z: You knew?
K: Yes.
Z: Anybody else?
K: I knew the day before and Haldeman knew three hours before.
Z: Well, will you allow this to be established in the history books
that you didn't know.
K: Yes, just tell me what you are going to say.
Z:
K: Let me tell you the truth. Heactually wrote it during the night of
Monday night and then he told me Tuesday morning that he was going to delete
our last paragraph. And then Tuesday afternoon he read me that part of it.
But the major point for historial record is that he wrote it Monday night.
Z: I'll say he put down his thought -- I won't say he wrote it all out.
And I will say that no one knew.
K: That's right, say as he woke up at 2:00 a. m.
Z: No, no, no. I'm not going to say that! Who have you got in there?
K: No one.
[Actually Robert McNamara. ]
Z: All right.
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Zeigler/Kissinger
early afternoon
4/8/71
Z: It would be a good move for you to call Peter Lisagore. He said he is a
friend of yours and talked with you personally. Concerned he didn't talk with you
like the others did this morning.
K: I didn't make the list.
he
Z: I know. It would be a good move to call him and say perhaps you could
come in. He isn't up set with you but it might be a good move.
K: I will call him this afternoon,
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ChalmersRoberts/Kissinger
4:05 p.m.
4/8/71
R: I take it you din't like xixx being called John Scali. I was kidding you because
a story said he was working for you.
K: He is so busymeasuring my office.
R: The other story is he can't pass an FBI check up. It's a gag.
K: Hewon't be a
.
He is supposed to help. General areas of TV on both
domestic and foreign side.
R: Who's he under?
K: Haldeman, I think.
R: I was kidding. I was more interexted in what you said.
K: I talked to the President about your wanting an interview with him and he
agreed in principle.
R: Good.
K: Particularly if you are retiring, he felt it would be he said he expected it
to be fair. I said sure. You can't make make a treaty on that.
R: I should think I would be thinking of May or sometime like that.
K: I think so. When are you retiring?
R: End of June.
K: Give me two weeks warning.
R: Around that time.
K: Don't talk about it. If it gets into the formal channels it might be killed.
R: Circle May 22.
K: That great Robets party?
R: xlxxix It will be the last one.
K: It's the great insitution and it's fun.
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C. Roberts/Kissinger
4:05 p.m.
4/8/71
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R: It hasn't rained in 15 years. Let me ask you a pratical question. Shultz
had the pacification memo. He got the whole thing. It sounds like an up-date
version of this year's version of counter insurgency. Capturing VC evidence.
Peoples' intelligence network.
K: I haven't read it.
R: Haven't seen it?
K: No.
R: Thinking about your problem as you go down on troop level and assuming you
get past the October elections in SAigon without k problems whether the people
in the countryside will stick with the government and this document says thexx
that some local politicians don't resist the enemy out of fear. This type of
problem will growas present dedines. This sounds like the other side of the coin.
K: Our studies show that in 3 and 4 we expect continued specific gains. All
American troops out of there. In one we expect gains and in 2 some losses.
R: This document and he has a lot in quotes says it acknowledges that VN
apparatus remian a problem which include 4 in the Delta. It was on the front
page of yesterday's TIMES.
K: I will read it and talk to you tomorrow.
R: What's the feel-out on the speech.
K: I don't know.
R: Anything on SALT?
K: No.
R: Still on same center?
K: That's right.
R: I take it coming back from Calif. you thought the Party Congress was less
negative than it might have been. Noting gutsy.
K: Just a question of tone.
R: If you have any thoughts on this I wish you'd call me back.
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C. Roberts/Kissinger
4:05 p.m.
4/8/71
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K: It maybe early next week.
R: I will be back in touch about May 1.
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Ron Ziegler/Mr. Kissinger
4:20 p.m., April 8, 1971
Z:
This God-damned Scott is a disaster.
K:
What did he say?
Z:
[read Scott statement] He said the President has a date in
mind for total withdrawal.
K:
But that is all he said.
Z:
I handled it this morning by saying the President is announcing
an additional reduction by December 1971. I made it clear why he is
not announcing a fixed timetable.
K:
Just stick with it.
Z:
He said before he has a plan in mind.
K:
Don't give any ground on it.
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Sally Quinn/Kissinger
4:50 p.m.
4/8/71
K: What do you want, you barracuda?
Q: I am doing a peice on Barbara Howar. Bill Safire came up with a long Agnew
speech. "Irreverent without being irrelevant ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 11
K: That's pretty clever. I could never be that intelligent. You have all my
already.
Q: They are in the public domain.
K: That's because I can't talk to you without being in the public domain.
Q: I want you to know that those two articles in the "Village Voice" were most
unfair and everyojne I talk wtih agrees. They are most unfair.
K: I didn't read them. They were pointed out to me.
Q: They will XXX just make you mad.
K: I decided they were not uniformly favorable.
Q: Or factual. The last I read about Barbara and how people refer to you
both as the Kissingers in Washington.
K: Barbara and me?
Q: How you imitate people at parties. ?722?? One night you were suppose
to start crying and walked out of the party. I read it to Barbara and she laughed
and said they have to give the guy credit - -- he has great imagination.
K: I will try to think of something. She is really one of the worlds great hiiman
beings. If I can come up with a brilliant remark I will do so.
Q: If you can I would appreciate it if you could do so by tomorrow evening.
K: I will.
Q: You probably want time to think it over.
K: Let Barbara tell you haw she met me.
Q: At Evangeline Bruce's. She didn't go into detail.
K: I was being assailed by men on VN and she beckoned me and said shex sit
next to me on the couch where we can touch knees.
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S. Quinn/Kissinger
4:50 p.m.
4/8/71
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Q: Anything you can think of - -
K: I assume this is a favorable article.
Q: Absolutely. She is my best friend in Washington. We kept putting it off.
So last week we started doing it and we gossiped instead txxx but that next day
we did it. She said we don't have to put on an ant for one another. But I try
to make sure she isn't hurt and try to protect her and so it's the hardest
interview I have ever done. And it's hard for her too.
K: I can believe that. I will try to call you back.
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Naughton/Kissinger
5:00 p.m.
4/8/71
K: You want to call to get ther terminal date or the number.
N: I was trying to determine what the President meant when he said SVN
casualties dropped in the last two years. I have I the Pentagon figures and they
show that in the course of the year they've gone up.
K: We compared the first two months of this year and the first two months of
'69 and showed decrease.
N: But x figures for 1969 and 1970 they are up.
K: I will have to check that.
N: The President was referring to Jan. and Feb. of this year vs. Jan. and
Feb. of '69? That's before the Loas operation.
K: A month of Loas operation.
N: But not the bitter fighting.
K: About half of bitter fighting.
N: OK. Thanks. If you want to tell me the terminal date - - ?
K: Why spoil you?
N: Sen. Scott thought the President was referring to a specific objective of
ending American involvement by the end of his term. How would he have gotten
that impression?
K: I will not speculate on how Senators get impressions.
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Phil Potter/Kissinger
5:22 p.m.
4/8/71
P: I am confused after this session this morning to come back and find UP
quoting Scott.
K: I was at the meeting. It makes no sense for the President to say there's
no deadline and then give it to Scott. He doesn't keep things to himself.
P: He didn't say there's a date but that the President has one in mind.
K: Go with what I x told you this morning and MX you will be right.
P: I read what you said several times. I have been thinking and others thinking
about leaving an is residual force. About 50, 000.
K: I don't want to go into figures.
P: Laird said less than that.
K: When, today?
P: No, sometime back.
K: What I told you this morning goes. There are a number of people who play
games with force levels and we spend 3/4 of our time negotiating with ourselves.
P: In terms of residual force XXX are we thinking of advisory group?
K: No.
P: A force?
K: Yes.
Kx P: Another thing that interests me is when you said as an individual and went
off the record that we would wonder in 3-4 years what possessed us all.
K: In 3-4 years the outcome will have crystalized and the
will be over.
P: I did get the impression that you rule out the Korean thing because that
was an armistice.
K: We don't want to rule out the future because of PR exercises now.
P: You still feel negotiations are a possibility?
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Phil Potter/Kissinger
5:22 p.m.
4/8/71
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P: The President seemd to throw those down at the news conference in his
office. The implication was --
K: I agree with him but time is running out because if our forces approach
residual levels there's not a lot to negotiate with.
P: I see. Thanks.
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F. Mankiewicz/Kissinger
5:28 p.m.
4/8/71
K: You look particularly craggy on TV doing X instant analysis.
M: I pointed out you? ????. . Did you hear what happened to Dolf Droge?
K: That he couldn't speak?
M: They moved the location of the speech because of violence. We were going
to do him live with his answering students before and after the speech. They
panicked at Amherst. They moved it to a chapel. His speech was dull.
K: No, it wasn/t. You mean Dolf's or the President's.
M: Dolf's.
K: I was afraid you trapped me into a comment on the President's speech.
M: I thought his was dull too. How adlib was that stuff at the end?
K: It was pretty ad lib.
M: Everyone was surprised on TV. You know our conversation on seeing poeple
and I called in the information. I think you should talk with those 2 VN Senators.
K: I will see what I can do next week.
M: I said that the young fire eaters thought only certain replacement would do the
trick and they said no because it would favor outside. They have other ideas
on how it could be done so it's a fair election.
K: That's a good point. I will see what my schedule is next wek.
M: They could perhaps stay over.
K: I don't want to be in a position that seems I am interfering with the election.
M: They are here and seeing Senators. You only have to hear their views.
You are not even the principle foreign policy advisor.
K: And you EXEX will straighten them out if they have apprehension. I will call
you tomorrow re Monday.
M: I will say there's a possibility of Monday.
K: I will let you know by Mxx noon.
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F. Mankiewicz/Kissinger
5:28 p.m.
4/8/71
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M: I am incommunicado from 9:00 - 11:30. Just leave a message here. I
will be here by 11:30. If you have the massage just call it in and I will get it.
K: I haven't seen you in too long.
M: And when I did you were talking with the President and V. President.
K: I have to impress you.
M: Could we have a breakfast and dinner soon. I have a lot of ideas.
K: How about Tues. breakfast? 8:00 at the Metropolitan Club.
M: That's fine. You will let me know about these two fellows.
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Henry Hubbard
4/8/71 5:35 p.m.
H:
slightly higher than the rate we got from last night.
K: Then I lied to you.
H: When was the figure finally
?
K: If someone would explain to me the following
everyone plays
these games. Supposing we go to 16, 000. That, over eight months, amounts
to only 12, 000 more. If we just wanted to play numbers games we could do
that endlessly.
H: Of what significance is 14. 3?
K: Just that that is the fastest responsible rate. We can either get
out quickly, that is completely, or we can go at the most responsible rate.
H: You said we could do 12, 000 more.
K: But we can keep sayint that.
H: How did Thieu feel about it? A little nervouxs?
K: Yes. This is just about the limit that the traffic will bear
H: I see.
K
K: In our analysis of it.
H: Ahhhhh.
K: What did you call me about?
H: That.
K: You think I gave you the correct guidance?
H: I think you gave me superb guidance. The mood, the idea of coming
out of a searing experience with a measure of pride.
K: It just proves that sometimes I guess right.
H: When was the figure decided on?
K: It's a complicated problem. We didided the number of troops by the num-
ber of fire bases, and multiplied by the average number of hills in the Delta.
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Henry Hubbard
4/8/71 5:35 p.m.
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H: Can I arrive at the formula for a deadline by the same way?
K: No, we've got a formula for that but it's different.
H: When did you arrive at the figures sir?
K: Over the weekend.
H: What went into it -- you talked about painstaking analysis.
K: I gave you the analysis.
H: You mean by analysis your best judgment of the impact of the Laotian
ope ration?
K: And the capabilities of the enemy over the next year or year and a half. OK'
H: No, not okay. Have you got another two minutes?
K: Yes.
H: Ao what extent was it a response to the Calley thing?
K: None whatsoever. Not even related.
H: He does allude to it.
K: No, the basic outline existed before. The only thing that could have
been affected was his affirmation of confidence in the soldiers. This second
paragraph was perhaps more prominent than it would have been otherwise. But
that will be judicially determined. What was more on his mind is the argument
that the war itself is an atrocity.
H: But the basic outline of the speech existed before Calley?
K: Yes.
H: It was understated, firm. You didn't know he would talk about Taylor?
K: No. I knew he would do something a couple of hours before in general,
but I didn't know the actual words.
H: Okay. The Pentagon is somewhat surprised he low figure.
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Henry Hubbard
4/8/71 5:35 p.m
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K: You're joking. Cut it out; you make me cry. Do you think they
recommended a higher figure?
H: There was some claim
Some talk that Laird recommended a
higher one. You can't talk about that though.
K: God dammit. Some of these guys never quit.
H: What would you do if Hanoi offered tomorrow all the POWs back in
exchange for a date, with the proper assurances of course.
K: I would ask for a naval base in
H: Are you vulnerable to an offer?
K: No.
H: No?
K: No. We want it, but not along these lines.
H: Then the POWs are not enough?
You can trust what he [the P.
says. He generally does what he says. I keep saying that. This was very like
the November 3 speech, but firmer and more presidential. You left me last
week with the impression that the only reason for not going to a deadline is this
small percentage.
K: That is one of the principal reasons.
H: Are any others valid? We can now predict when the U.S. will be no
longer a factor.
K: That is one of the principal reasons.
H: Okay. Thank you.
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Joe Sisco
4/9/71 8:18 a. m.
K: Is Ceylon in your area?
S: Yes, I'm afraid so.
K: I noticed the cable sent saying that the British had sent six helicopters.
The next time a cable goes out that involves policy that doesn't go through the
White House you and I are going to be in the President's office. This has hap-
pened too many times and I have put up with it long enough.
S: What the cable says is
K: I don't give a damn what the cable says. This is a matter of policy
and it is something in whibh the President is intensely interested. I know what
the cable says; I have it here in front of me.
S: What we are tryigg to do is to get them to produce it.
K: I knew what you are trying to do. I am trying to get the President
involved in your bureau. I have been as patient as I can be and this is it.
S: We cancelled out last night on that SRG. Are we rescheduling it today?
K: I'll see about that.
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Amb. Rabin/Kissinger
10:23 a. m.
4/9/71
R: I hope you enjoyed your stay on the West Coast.
K: Very pleasant.
R: I can imagine you have more urgent problems then the M.E. at the moment.
K: I have plenty of problems.
R: I was asked for your comments on certain issues. Not urgent. It can wait
until next week.
K: Let's do it before Wed. next week.
R: I will ask my secretary to work out a time.
K: Good to have a chance to talk. How have you been?
R: Relaxing. Now we let others be worried.
K: xLxex Relaxing is not the idea I associate most with you.
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Laird/Kissinger
10:25 a. m. 4/9/71
K: I have over here a suggested question and answer your people want to
give at your briefing. I don't usually bother you with this -- residual forces.
Down to 43, 000. In two parts. First about residula forces and then it ties it
to the Korea thing. Then ixx it says ketxs less than Korea and Korea is 43, 000.
L: That may be for testimony
.
K: We have to knock off discussion now. We will blow every possible chance.
L: The X Presdient has gone to nothing.
K: Whatever the President may have done we should shut up.
L: I will talk to them about it.
K: Can't we say the President has made himself plain and we will not
elaborate.
L: Why talk about residual force?
K: They say "? ? ? ? ? ? on next prisoners. IT We don't want to discuss prisoners
now. We want to tie it to the bast time he speaks.
L: He has gone beyond that now anyway.
K: We should just stonewall it now.
L: I will say that make no news. They could find old testimony.
K: They want to use what you have said on residual force. The President
said ultimately. Hekept it open for negotiations.
L: I will talk to them about it right now.
K: They are not to discuss residual forces in any context or President in anyway.
Stonewall it.
L: They will stay with the President speech.
K: They shouldn't interpret it. We don't another story on total withdrawal.
L: I don't know where -- out of testimony.
K: It's a x suggested Q&A. They discussed it with my press guy here.
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Secretary Laird
4/9/71 10:57 a. m.
L: Several things I thought that we ought to
Do you have a
couple of minutes?
K: Sure.
L: One of the problems that is developing around here in the past
six to sevem months is that there's been a lot of real in-fighting on this
question of the law of the sea.
K: Yes.
L: You've got these private interests and fishing interests and others
doing a hell of a job on this. But I'm afraid national security interests are
not being adequately thought of the protected. Bill is going to this meeting
on Tuesday of next week and he plans to talk informally with Brazil and
some others about the question of the two hundred mile limitation. But once
you bring that up without our policy resolved it causes difficulties. We can
make some changes in our position, but we have to be careful because this
idea that Brazil is going to start taking our boats we've got to hard-line
it before we resolve these issues. The right of transit through straights (?)
is important, not only to us but to the Soviet Union too, and before informal
discussions with anyone get started wek have got to have a national policy.
I think this is important. I think it is more important than SALT. I know
that for everyong SALT takes the front burner, but our ocean policy from
a long-term point of view is very important. If we don't have the capability
to operate we might as well not have an Air Force or a Navy.
K: I agree.
L: There was a NSSM sent out
K: And then there was some misunderstanding and I held it until we
could talk again.
L: That had to do with the point that's comigg up on Tuesday. But
I"ve been pressing for a year on this. I think it's important.
K: I will do something about it. I think the problem that arose was
that I didn't sufficiently distinguish between the 200 mile policy and the law
of the sea problem. I will do that and get it out today, if you'll back me up
on it.
L: I will back you on it but let me see how you write it.
K: I will. I will get Kennedy to check with General Pursley.
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Secretary Laird
4/9/71 10:57 a. m.
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L: Okay. Next thing, it doesn't do any good to get into a hassle with
Ford, Scott, Griffin,
on what the President
did or did not say. These Congressmen are going to unite on their inter-
pretation.
for them to get into a big flap on it now. It's
Scott talking. To get the White House into a flap with Scott and Ford
Were you there? I wasn't.
K: Yes, I was there. What he said is consistent with both interpreta-
tions. The Congressmen are not wrong to draw the conclusion they did that
he had a date in mind.
L: They think it is wrong to have the President make a foontal attack
on them. For one thing if there's anything that unites guys it's being taken
on that way. They say the President said he had a plan but wasn't giving it
to them/
K: That's right. He did say that.
L: It would have been better if they had kept their mouths shut, but
it's better now if we keep our mouths shut.
K: I think we all should shut up now. We should just stand on the
President's speech.
L: That ought to be, but txhxexixex that isn't what happened yesterday.
K: I will see that Ziegler keeps quiet.
L: We are trying to get down into that Congressional fight and I am
not going to.
K: Let's just stand on the President's speech, but let s not explain it
either.
L: We are going to stay with it, but what's happening over there is
that some people are backing away from the President's speech. We have
got to just stand on it and then forget it. Scott and Ford and all these
guys are going to go all out that he promised a total withdrawal let them
do that talking. But there's no sense in taking them on. We are the losers
if we start doing that.
K: Okay. One thing I wanted to mention. We have a Verification
Panel meeting this afternoon on SALT and there are two things: One, the
President would prefer to have Safeguard against NCA rather than NCA
against NCA in the position
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4/9/71 10:57 a. m.
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L: Yes.
K: So if your people can keep that in mind
L: I still think the stop-where-you-are on the Safeguard thing is
better than NCA.
K: That is also a possibility. But someone told me that Defense
might propose Xd an ABM only agreement.
L: Who told you that?
K: I don't know.
L: It's a bunch of crap.
K: Well anything that gets to ACDA gets all over town.
L: We don't have a proposal like that, but we may have a sto-p-where-
you-are rather than NCA, but that would also be tied into offensive limitations.
K: Right.
L: Okay, but the reason I called about this is that Bobby Griffin (?)
has a speech on it today.
K: We are not going to say any more.
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Mr. Kissinger/Kay Graham
April 9, 1971 10:45 a. m.
jlj
K: You will be amazed that I am not calling about an editorial.
G: I was just getting my feet on the floor. I was just hanging on to the
side of my desk.
K: You can come out from under your desk. I don't know how I got
this rather Levantine mission but do you know Chris
Soames?
G: Dimly. Not very well.
K: Let me give you the full story. A friend of mine is dating Chris
Soames daughter. Her brother, his son, would like to find summer
employment with the Washington Post My friend says that Chris
Soames doesn't want to call you because it would put you in the
embarrassing position for not being able to turn him down. He reads
your editorials and knows you will not feel badly about turning me down.
G: Has the kid applied. All those things are done but we will just have
to take him.
K: I do not know Chris Soames and I do not know the son. If you turn
him him down it will be low down on my list of grievances against you.
G: There are about 600 applicants and only 15 jobs. These jobs are
usually for journalist students.
K: I think he is a journalism student. Please keep two months job
for me when I get booted out of here.
G: These are lush things. I do not feel terribly indebted to him. If
he is a jerk I am going to say no.
K: My friend says he is pretty good but I do not know him.
G: There is no point in giving him a job if he is not good.
K: As far as I understand he does want to go into Journalism. When you
make your decision if you could drop me a note telling me that you find
it easy to turn me down.
G: And I will enclose an exclosive editorial to prove it. I am in a labor meeting.
K: It doesn't have to be done immediately.
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G: I am going to the Reitzman's at 3 this afternoon.
K: Where?
G: Their place in Palm X Beach.
K: I have been invited to several things next week and have been told
that WAN you would be there also. Where are we going next week?
on Tuesday.
G: Joe Alsops./ and then there is the one that Rolie and me on Thursday.
I started having it for Otis and then Rolie wanted to have one for
SO we are doing it together. We will see each other on Tuesday and
Thursday. I got a wire today that had your name in it. Do you want
to hear the story?
K: Sure.
G: I did a BBC interview with a guy from the Observer - in depth type
stuff and he asked about the romance with Ted. I told the silly ass
story --
K: What was that last word?
G: What? Oh - I told that silly story about guess what move over?
(????)
K: Oh yeh.
G: They must have shown the bloody thing in India because I got a wire from
Ken Keating xthex saying that they are calling
him asking if Edward or Henry have the inside track with me. xIx He says
that he told them he did - Ken Keating. Isn't that great?
K: Great. That is very great. It would take a convoluted Indian mind
to think of something like that.
G: Is that what next week will be like. Together all the time?
K: Without fail.
G: I will put this off and let you know on Monday.
K: There is no hurry. Literally I have no interest except that I have
few women who can say no to me.
G: and who occasionally does although not too often.
K: That's OK - he said through clenched teeth.
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Rogers/Kissinger
2:40 p.m.
4/9/71
K: I hope I didn't pull you out of anything.
R: No.
K: We are putting out a directive today addressed to you and Helms and Mel to sto]
talking about residual forces and the President wanted you to understand as I am
sure you will who it q was addressed to.
K: I understand.
K: Everyone here knows that security in the dept. has been perfect.
R: On the Ted Shultz article I am sure it didn't come from here. We have been
awfully good.
On this other I havent' said anything.
K: There's not the slightest doubt. Defense today wanted to say that residual forc
is similar to Korea and Korea is 43, 000.
R: It's like a seive. I am proud of State in the last few months.
K: No problem on this end. Another thing I want to ask you about. Last week
Sisco sent out cables which reported some changes on Pakistan and Ceylong.
Never talked to us. If we could have informal clearances it would make us feel
better. We usually agree.
R: I didn't realize that. On Pakistan we were following ? ??.
K: I am crabbing at Sisco because your other bureaus there are doing it meticulou
R: I will talk to him about the future and son'e mention the past.
K: That would be good.
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Mr. Kissinger/Sally Quinn
April 9, 1971 4:37 p.m.
jlj
K: I have not been able to think of anything clever to say.
Q: Oh come on. I thought you would stay up all night thinking of something.
K: But you could certainly say something very warm about her.
Q: Henry Kissinger speaks of her with warmth. I had a delightful dinner
with Guido Goldman last night.
K: He is one of the world's great people.
Q: He is a nice guy and charming.
K: I think Barbara is one of the great people.
Q: You told me a few things the other night that I can use.
K: I speak of her with great affection and warmth. Most people talk about
her because she is brash but she is a good human being. Also fun.
Q: I think of her that way too. She is the most loyal friend I have.
K: That I believe. When am I going to see this? Will you tell me how
Guido found you.
Q: Ask him.
K: He is much to descreet.
Q: We went with John Newhouse.
K: I approve of both of your taste.
Q: It should come out in July.
K; Can one see a draft.
Q: Sure. If I ever get it written.
K: You will get it written.
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Secretary Laird/Mr. Kissinger
April 9, 1971 4:45 p.m.
jlj
L: We are not the ones doing the speculating over here. In some testimony
up on the hill we have been giving and it sure doesn't help us. I think it would
be a good idea to distribute this around the White House - through Herb Klein's
office or somebody.
K: Absolutely, it is a very good point. It was not going tax bex up but I will
try to get that done.
get
L: They were talking about it.
We have to keep this Congressional briefing
thing quieted down not start it up. Some of these things should not be said
because it is difficult to go to the Hill and testify then.
K: We are saying no more over here.
L: It would have been better if we had not said anything before. Did you see
the New York Times article that says the budget cutters out maneuvered
the Secretary. I was on the Hill today and it makes it damn difficult.
K: Whieh story is that. I did not read it.
L: It is on page C-11. Pentagon Generals and Admirals outmaneuver George
Shultz and the Secretary of Defense. Have had put in the budget $2 million
more than they need and it should be taken out immediately. That does not
help me one Goddamn bit. This comes from the White House.
K: What makes you think it comes from here?
L: It comes from the office of Management and Budget - that is White House.
K: Yes, that is probably true. I will get that memorandum out to my people
here immediately.
L: We cannot have everybody around here briefing Joe Alsop and everybody
else.
K: I will take care of it. Have a good Easter.
L: Happy Easter to you.
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Henry Truitt
Mr. Kissinger
5:05 p.m., April 9, 1971
T:
Henry, how are you?
K:
I just wanted to tell you that the story you heard that on the
day of the speech I asked Rose Woods for the final version of
the speech and she wouldn't give it to me is complete nonsense.
T:
That item in the Wall Street Journal? I thought it was but we
wanted to use it for a little bit of color if it was true.
K:
No - it is absolutely not true.
T:
Has Dave Halperin spoken to you about speaking to the
overseas writers yet?
K:
No. But work it out with him and I will do it some time in
May.
T:
While I have you on the phone, I have a publication date on
my book about McNamara.
K:
Oh yes. I would love to see it. I hope it is sympathetic.
T:
Oh yes. I gave him high marks on strategic rationality.
K:
Alright Hank, thank you.
mlh
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Amb. Cromer/Kissinger
5:40 p.m.
4/9/71
C: I hope I wasn't inconveincing you.
K: You did a favor. I was so busy. I suppose you will tell me when you are
ready
C: It will be at the end of the next week.
K: I want to discuss that matter.
C: You mean your private plans.
K: I need an excuse to get to Europe. A speech is not a reason. Being invited
by ISS no one would believe that I would go to London for that. Maybe nothing
can be done. It's W easy to get there but if there's an excuse --
C: A meeting or a speech would be about the only alibi.
K: Maybe Burt Trent
C: If you don't mind that.
K: I could set up an NSC type office.
C: That wouldn't embarass you?
K: Not if it doesn't have a diplomatic aspect. I don't do speeches here unless it's i
off the record meeting.
C: I am going over on Monday for a couple of days and I will talk with Burt to see
what we can work up.
K: The ideal would be something that would give me more than one occasion which
I don't have to do much on but which could get me to Europe.
C: You don't mind Cabinet meetings?
K: I want to get there visibly and do other things too.
C: I thought you wanted something more overt because it xipx provides the pretext.
K: If it were a prestigous group with one meeting a year.
C:: Ditchley?
K: I don't attend meetings of that kind here. It's fixed on a given weekend. The
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4/9/71
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K: (cont) ideal is something I can move around a bit.
C: Something of a technical aspect between you and the Cabinet officers.
K: Something from the President on paper. Saying this discussed and picking
it up and I will come on that basis.
C: And no lable to this.
K: I could say here that you wanted some further discussions on procedure
here.
C: Purely technical character and not political. I am on your wavelength and
I am sure we can devise something.
K: I may not pick it up but it would be helpful if I could on short notice.
C: On that basis it could be on any basis at all.
K: Then if I am
there I can work it out.
C: It would be helpful to have a letter from the PM to the President about
what's been discussed.
K: The President is of course aware of this. It would have many advantages.
I will see you when you return.
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Amb. Bush/Kissinger
10:10 a. m.
4/12/71
K: You should have kicked your predessor out of his apartment a week earlier.
B: Hosv did you like that?
K: On grounds of decendy it's inconceivable to me.
B: Its a testimony he made at the Democratic convention in '68 stop the
bombing and that. When you stop the bombing we will get out. It's so different.
K: Which he never brought to our attention.
B: He said he sent a memo.
K: In Oct. '69 he claims he sená a memo.
B: I am open to suggestion.
K: I haven't any. The President asked me to call SO that in NY no one is
under the misapprehension on where XX you stand.
B: No. We have had two good briefings at TIme-Life and I said if I don't support
they should get another man. I think we should do something. he We had another
thing like this but the AP guy talked me out of it because xx said we are picking
a fight. I would be glad to do something. There was nothing up here.
K: I don't think we sh ould call attention to it unless it gets worse. You will call
me when you have a concern and failing that, if you can make it clear in NY that you
are behind the President.
B: No problem.
K: On the deadline issue.
B: We are doing a lot fo stoff and I point that out. They are backgrounders and don
get in the papers.
K: Don't yield on the deadline.
B: Hell no. Had a good briefing by Tom Moorer on Friday.
K: (HAK called to the President. Secy. indicated he would call back again later.)
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Secy. Stans/Kssinger
10:12 a.m.
4/12/71
S: I don't know if this is in your area but I would like letters from the President
on my trip overseas.
K: That's in my area. You will get them. Where are you going?
S: Ireland, Spain, Greece, Iran and Austria.
K: When are you leaving?
S: Sat.
K: Right.
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Rogers/Kissinger
12:47 p.m.
4/12/71
R: I am shocked by Yost's article.
K: Xxx Isn't that outrageous?
R: What I am calling about is his attendance at NSC meetings where VN came up.
I know the President is madder than hell. I am not sure it's wise for me to
take him on because it will give him fexxx visibility.
K: It's only on the Post now.
R: If we take him on we will make enemies. I would like to see a study done.
K: I am doing that here. He was inundating us on memos. Why not on VN?
I am looking at his testimony before the Democratic Partisan Committee. I
will look at the NSC files.
R: I will do it over here. I am worried about a battle with him now. I
K: The President wanted you to attack him but I have mixed emothons about giving
him publicity.
R: Maybe we could get someone in Congress to write a letter. I could answer and
set it straight.
K: The first month of the Administration the President made strong public
defense of him.
R: No way to explain it. No defense. The President was nice as hell.
I gave him a luncheon.
K: I think he hurt himself when this X flap subsides everyone will know why we
got rid of him.
R: Everyone in the foreign service
and then something like this happens
and the President gets mad as hell.
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Shirley Temple Black/Kissinger
12:55 p.m.
4/12/71
B: Sorry I bothered you last week and wanted your advice.
K: We have looked into it and think it's perfectly appropriate. We don't know
your specific role but I am sure you will negotiate that with the organizers.
B: I am a panelist and rapportenr. The first is easy and I will make sure
I am careful on the second part. Another thing. I am going to Saudi Arabia
on the 16th. When I was in Geneva in Feb. Amb.
who is the UAR
Ambassador asked me to come to Cairo. Is this awkward?
K: It would be better if you could go to Israel too.
B: The time is bad but no one has invited me to Israel.
K: That could be arranged. Do you want it done?
B: I am still debating Cairo. Ambassador El Zaib
K: It cannot be harmful if you don't endorse things but it would only be slightly
better if you go to Israel.
B: Sorry I missed you in Washington. I was just going rhrough.
K: Let me know when you are next here.
B: And when you are in San Francisco.
K: I wasn't there.
B: The gossip columns said you were.
K: (Something about he is more concerned about what they report rather than
whet the fial to report.) Don't believe them. I haven't beenthere since the
visit of the Korean.
B: They put you in every chance they get.
K: Into San. Francisco? I was at the Bohemian Grove but not in the city.
B: It was when the President in San Clemente. I saw it in Herb Kane's column.
K: What was I doing there?
B: I don't remember the young lady.
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12:55 p.m.
4/12/71
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K: I am flattered but I've not been there since the Korean visit and not in the
Bay area since Bohemian Grove.
B: Shall I advise you if I go to Cairo?
K: And I kix will tell the Israelis and see if they want to see you.
B: The Rumanian trip was excellent and I wrote 106 pages. Nothing important.
K: Send them. I would be interested.
B: I will have my journal copied.
K: Let me know when you come to Washington. I would love to see you.
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Sen. Griffin/Kissinger
1:13 p.m.
4/12/71
G: I am awfully sorry to bother you. I don't know if this makes sense -- in
connection with the ANSE meeting this wee I was thinking Q8X of getting toghether
with some Michigan people. The Detroit Free Press, Booth news, and
.
Thinking of cocktails Wed. Any possibility that we could get you to come in
and chat with these people?
K: Sure. I will check it out here. If it would -- you really want me to do it?
G: I do.
would be well represented -- - - Mark, Daniels, Knight and
K: I talked with Knight at the Gridiron. He is not with us. What time?
G: In a gorup it might be better. 5:00 at the Shoreham.
K: Not in the newspapers?
G: No, private small group.
K: Let's say I will do it.
G: 5:00 Wed. I will get back to you.
Would
K: AX 5:30 be okay?
G: OK. We will firm up the details and get back to your secretary.
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Amb. Bush/Kissinger
2:16 p.m.
4/12/71
K: The President called for me and didn't relinquish me.
B: I have been thinking since Q we talked and I think I should send a lett to the
editor of the Post. It hasn't been in the Times. I think it will be in the Congress-
ional record but fortunately most of them ore out of town. I drafted a letter
that will put me on the record in support of the President and XIXSXIX answers
whether the President is entitled to have a supporter at the UN. It's not
argumentative and doesn't tear Yost up. I have talked with some up here. They
said if you put out a press release at the UN you are picking a fight and giving
notereity to something people here havent' seen. This could be reprinted and
say that USUN doesn't feel this way. We believe in the policy.
K: I rather like that. Let me check with Haldeman.
B: (Starts to diotatex read letter. Letter is attached to this memcon, verbatim)
K: Say in the apartment you let him use an extra week.
B: "cont. "
K: Great letter. I will talk with Haldeman and get back to you.
B: I don't think the Post can say it's denegrating Yost is some way.
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Letter to the Editor : the Washington Post.
"The article in Sunday's paper by my predecessor, and friend, Charles Yost,
prompts me to write,
I write not because I challenge Mr. Yosts right to speak out now that he
is a private citizan, unencumbered by public responsibility; but rather lest anyone
feel that Mr. Yost's private views reflect any present differences between
Presidential policies and policies here at USUN.
The United States Mission to the United Nations at times has appeared
to the public as a separate State Department. This is not good for U.S.
policy nor is it fair to the President.
First, I support the President fully in his efforts to get us out of
Vietnam. I know from personal conversations of his dedication towards ending
the war.
I believe the President is right in stepping up withdrawals. In my
judgement setting a "date certain" would slam the door shut on any possible
negotiations.
But then there's a second point that goes way beyond the Yost letter.
In my view the President is entitled to advocacy here at the UN. His policies
deserve to be forcefully presented.
Of course differences may develop, and I plan to express myself on
the issues to both Secretary Rogers and the President; but once policies are
set, the government is entitled to have an advocate in these important halls.
Though the question of the Vietnam war is not befor the UN, It is
on the minds of the delegates and Secretariat.
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I think it's important for them to know that this Ambassador strongly
supports the President's policies.
I do it because I should do it, and I do it because I believe.
Yours very truly,
George Bush"
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Secretary Laird
4/12/71 2:35 p.m.
L: I want to just check one or two things that might be embarrassing
to you and if they are we won't go ahead.
K: To me personally?
L: Well, that might cause problems over there in the White House.
K: Right.
L: First, David is putting on quite a little pressure for a complete
briefing for him and his staff on rain-making. I would like to stay away
from it.
K: Ed David?
L: Yes.
K: Just skip it.
L: Ithing it's better not to get into it.
K: These scientists leak like cra zy.
L: We just deny the whole thing; I'd like to stay away from it.
K: I'm for that.
L: So if they come complaining to you, I'm the one that shut it off
and if they complain too loud we'll do something about it. Let me know if
there are too many problems.
K: Right.
L: Okay, second I'm a member of this international prayer group.
Harmel goes to the meetings, so does Schroede r and Helmut Schmidt.
I met with them when I was a legislator.
K: Yes.
L: You think there's anything wrong with my meeting with them again
when I'm over?
K: I don't see why.
L: I did it as a parliamentarian, as a legislator.
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4/12/71 2:35 p.m. paga 2
K: No, I think it's a tribute to you.
L: They want to meet just outside of Paris. It will be all the top
parliamentarians. I have met with them on a regular basis. I just don't
want to go through all the clearances that I would have to for these meet-
ings.
K: I see no reason why not. What reason would there be against it?
L: I have to get all these clearances for it. I would rather not go
through this from ISA and State. I will just call Bill and tell him about it.
They pick a different topic for each meeting. For this one it's with re-
spect to law and justice. These papers have to do with violence mostly.
It's quite a good list of people. I'll send you a memo about it and talk to
Bill but I'd rather not get this listed as anything.
K: I think that's a good idea.
L: Okay.
K: I think it's to your credit that you want to do it.
L: This is a group I've known for a long time. I used to part of it
as a parliamentarian. The President was aware of this before I had this
job -- I used to give him information about it before he became a candidate.
Okay next, you know we're getting a lot of heat now on the budget. They
are building up steam on budget cuts and I would like to meet with the
Pentagon press corps and put a hard sell on the budget while the Congress
is out of session.
K: When?
L: Tomorrow, before the Proxmire hearings start up. I wouldn't
refer to the Joint Economic Committee hearings.
K: Okay, as long as you stay away from withdrawal. The President
is getting very goosey about terminal dates and so forth, even though he's
adding to the talk himself.
L: We ha ven't been doing that over here. The problem has been this
conflict Scott went on "Issues and Answers"
K: Yes, I saw it in the news summary.
L: They are trying to build up a statement on residual forces thing
that I said a long time ago and that the President didn't say.
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4/12/71 2:35 p.m. page 3
K: That's just a game they are playing.
L: I know - they're trying to show that I don't have the President's
support.
I'm not going to play that game.
K: Another thing. We have the impression that ABM xx isn't being
pushed as hard as it should be, in the Pentagon.
L: We have got to start hitting these things on not only defensive
but offensive parts of our budget. I would say not only for Vietnam related
things but for after Vietnam. Dn the ABM we've lost / some votes in the
last few weeks you know.
K: Who?
L: MacIntire. Now he's not going to go with us. He's going for the
escrow thing until after SALT, so we do have a problem there. And it
looks like Cook too, but we might get him back.
K: Yes, we might.
L: Scott is okay, I think he'll stay. But we can't afford to lose too
many. MacIntire is lost because he thinks he was screwed on Portsmouth.
K: We are selling Portsmouth about six times.
xxkx L: But we're selling it to the wrong people. We didn't get Mrs.
Smith on either ABM or SST.
K: You must always give things to ladies without expectation of
returns.
L: You're the master.
K: That's the only thing my colleagues rejognize me for.
L: That's good. It's a good way to be remembered.
K: I'm having lunch with you tomorrow.
L: Right, at 12:30/
K: I have 1:00.
L: That's okay.
K: Okay, and I'll come over there.
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TELCON
Amb. Rabin/Kissinger
2:45 p.m.
4/12/71
R: I couldn't find you on Friday and I talked to Al.
K: I am seeing you exgex today.
R: I thought when I called it would be election period but a few hours later I
received a call from back home. It seems it's complicated. I would like the
beginning few minutes alone with you. I think I have a little to explain what I
will do officially later to you.
K: That's fine. Let's not get too clever because you have to understand the
limitations of our bureaucracy.
R: I cannot promise I will not be clever.
K: Your following instructions. I will see you at 5:00.
R: 5:30.
K: At 5:30 and I will arrange that you see me alone for a few minutes at first.
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"ocrText": "TELCON\nCline/Kissinger\n10:45 a.m. 4/8/71\nC: The world isn't falling apart but I have a problem. You remember the\ncommittee you authorized\nto set up on Social Science Research on\nForeign Affairs? The State Dept. wants to send out a press release on the\nforming of the committee and what it's doing. Everything is unclassified except\nthe NSDM which is Limited Official Use. Can we put it all out?\nK: I would like to see what you are putting out.\nC: It's all taken from the Ad Hoc Committee report.\nK: I have no problem with that.\nC: I suggested a few days ago and they wanted to do it today. I wanted to check\nwith you. I do want to talk about intelligence problems with you.\nK: Let's do it in the next few weeks.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nLaird/Kissinger\n10:50 a.m.\n4/8/71\nL: I want to make - I am concerned about the Pierce report transmittal to\nthe WH. I don't want it to get out that it's over there. How do you think?\nK: Send it to Ehrlichman through my office.\nL: Do you think it's better not to put it in the WH and he can read it over here?\nK: That's better.\nL: I am afraid that someone is talking too much over there. I don't want them\nto say it's over there and then pressure on the President to release it. Rather\nkeep it here.\nK: I will tell Ehrlichman to read it over there. You are doing a great kindness.\nL: How the hell too much talk about that now.\nK: Another thing. Why don't you and I have breakfast next week? Part of the\ntime alone. I would like to straighten out the crossed wires. I want to see what\nwe can do to help out.\nL: How about Tues. morning? I think it's most helpful.\nFurther conversation: 10:55 a.m.\nK: One thing I forgot to mention. Could we have a paper over here when we\ncould go to all volunteer army in VN and under what circumstances. We might\nnot be able to do it.\nL: Worldwide and VN cannot be done together. We have to choose one or the othe\nK: Suppose the President Can we do it on two assumptions? That we maintain\nall volunteer worldwide and if he puts it off a ** few years?\nL: You could but not all volungeer force in '73.\nK: We will not do anything.\nL: At the time we set the goal world wide we thought about VN. They wanted then\nto go worldwide.\nK: Let's look at the VN opeion again.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nRon Ziegler\n4/8/71 2:00 p.m.\nZ: I will be asked about the Carl Taylor thing -- I already have been.\nI'm going to say no one but the President knew he was going to use it.\nK: You can say it but it won't be true.\nZ: You knew?\nK: Yes.\nZ: Anybody else?\nK: I knew the day before and Haldeman knew three hours before.\nZ: Well, will you allow this to be established in the history books\nthat you didn't know.\nK: Yes, just tell me what you are going to say.\nZ:\nK: Let me tell you the truth. Heactually wrote it during the night of\nMonday night and then he told me Tuesday morning that he was going to delete\nour last paragraph. And then Tuesday afternoon he read me that part of it.\nBut the major point for historial record is that he wrote it Monday night.\nZ: I'll say he put down his thought -- I won't say he wrote it all out.\nAnd I will say that no one knew.\nK: That's right, say as he woke up at 2:00 a. m.\nZ: No, no, no. I'm not going to say that! Who have you got in there?\nK: No one.\n[Actually Robert McNamara. ]\nZ: All right.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nZeigler/Kissinger\nearly afternoon\n4/8/71\nZ: It would be a good move for you to call Peter Lisagore. He said he is a\nfriend of yours and talked with you personally. Concerned he didn't talk with you\nlike the others did this morning.\nK: I didn't make the list.\nhe\nZ: I know. It would be a good move to call him and say perhaps you could\ncome in. He isn't up set with you but it might be a good move.\nK: I will call him this afternoon,\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nChalmersRoberts/Kissinger\n4:05 p.m.\n4/8/71\nR: I take it you din't like xixx being called John Scali. I was kidding you because\na story said he was working for you.\nK: He is so busymeasuring my office.\nR: The other story is he can't pass an FBI check up. It's a gag.\nK: Hewon't be a\n.\nHe is supposed to help. General areas of TV on both\ndomestic and foreign side.\nR: Who's he under?\nK: Haldeman, I think.\nR: I was kidding. I was more interexted in what you said.\nK: I talked to the President about your wanting an interview with him and he\nagreed in principle.\nR: Good.\nK: Particularly if you are retiring, he felt it would be he said he expected it\nto be fair. I said sure. You can't make make a treaty on that.\nR: I should think I would be thinking of May or sometime like that.\nK: I think so. When are you retiring?\nR: End of June.\nK: Give me two weeks warning.\nR: Around that time.\nK: Don't talk about it. If it gets into the formal channels it might be killed.\nR: Circle May 22.\nK: That great Robets party?\nR: xlxxix It will be the last one.\nK: It's the great insitution and it's fun.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nC. Roberts/Kissinger\n4:05 p.m.\n4/8/71\n-2-\nR: It hasn't rained in 15 years. Let me ask you a pratical question. Shultz\nhad the pacification memo. He got the whole thing. It sounds like an up-date\nversion of this year's version of counter insurgency. Capturing VC evidence.\nPeoples' intelligence network.\nK: I haven't read it.\nR: Haven't seen it?\nK: No.\nR: Thinking about your problem as you go down on troop level and assuming you\nget past the October elections in SAigon without k problems whether the people\nin the countryside will stick with the government and this document says thexx\nthat some local politicians don't resist the enemy out of fear. This type of\nproblem will growas present dedines. This sounds like the other side of the coin.\nK: Our studies show that in 3 and 4 we expect continued specific gains. All\nAmerican troops out of there. In one we expect gains and in 2 some losses.\nR: This document and he has a lot in quotes says it acknowledges that VN\napparatus remian a problem which include 4 in the Delta. It was on the front\npage of yesterday's TIMES.\nK: I will read it and talk to you tomorrow.\nR: What's the feel-out on the speech.\nK: I don't know.\nR: Anything on SALT?\nK: No.\nR: Still on same center?\nK: That's right.\nR: I take it coming back from Calif. you thought the Party Congress was less\nnegative than it might have been. Noting gutsy.\nK: Just a question of tone.\nR: If you have any thoughts on this I wish you'd call me back.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nC. Roberts/Kissinger\n4:05 p.m.\n4/8/71\n-3-\nK: It maybe early next week.\nR: I will be back in touch about May 1.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nRon Ziegler/Mr. Kissinger\n4:20 p.m., April 8, 1971\nZ:\nThis God-damned Scott is a disaster.\nK:\nWhat did he say?\nZ:\n[read Scott statement] He said the President has a date in\nmind for total withdrawal.\nK:\nBut that is all he said.\nZ:\nI handled it this morning by saying the President is announcing\nan additional reduction by December 1971. I made it clear why he is\nnot announcing a fixed timetable.\nK:\nJust stick with it.\nZ:\nHe said before he has a plan in mind.\nK:\nDon't give any ground on it.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nSally Quinn/Kissinger\n4:50 p.m.\n4/8/71\nK: What do you want, you barracuda?\nQ: I am doing a peice on Barbara Howar. Bill Safire came up with a long Agnew\nspeech. \"Irreverent without being irrelevant ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 11\nK: That's pretty clever. I could never be that intelligent. You have all my\nalready.\nQ: They are in the public domain.\nK: That's because I can't talk to you without being in the public domain.\nQ: I want you to know that those two articles in the \"Village Voice\" were most\nunfair and everyojne I talk wtih agrees. They are most unfair.\nK: I didn't read them. They were pointed out to me.\nQ: They will XXX just make you mad.\nK: I decided they were not uniformly favorable.\nQ: Or factual. The last I read about Barbara and how people refer to you\nboth as the Kissingers in Washington.\nK: Barbara and me?\nQ: How you imitate people at parties. ?722?? One night you were suppose\nto start crying and walked out of the party. I read it to Barbara and she laughed\nand said they have to give the guy credit - -- he has great imagination.\nK: I will try to think of something. She is really one of the worlds great hiiman\nbeings. If I can come up with a brilliant remark I will do so.\nQ: If you can I would appreciate it if you could do so by tomorrow evening.\nK: I will.\nQ: You probably want time to think it over.\nK: Let Barbara tell you haw she met me.\nQ: At Evangeline Bruce's. She didn't go into detail.\nK: I was being assailed by men on VN and she beckoned me and said shex sit\nnext to me on the couch where we can touch knees.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nS. Quinn/Kissinger\n4:50 p.m.\n4/8/71\n-2-\nQ: Anything you can think of - -\nK: I assume this is a favorable article.\nQ: Absolutely. She is my best friend in Washington. We kept putting it off.\nSo last week we started doing it and we gossiped instead txxx but that next day\nwe did it. She said we don't have to put on an ant for one another. But I try\nto make sure she isn't hurt and try to protect her and so it's the hardest\ninterview I have ever done. And it's hard for her too.\nK: I can believe that. I will try to call you back.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nNaughton/Kissinger\n5:00 p.m.\n4/8/71\nK: You want to call to get ther terminal date or the number.\nN: I was trying to determine what the President meant when he said SVN\ncasualties dropped in the last two years. I have I the Pentagon figures and they\nshow that in the course of the year they've gone up.\nK: We compared the first two months of this year and the first two months of\n'69 and showed decrease.\nN: But x figures for 1969 and 1970 they are up.\nK: I will have to check that.\nN: The President was referring to Jan. and Feb. of this year vs. Jan. and\nFeb. of '69? That's before the Loas operation.\nK: A month of Loas operation.\nN: But not the bitter fighting.\nK: About half of bitter fighting.\nN: OK. Thanks. If you want to tell me the terminal date - - ?\nK: Why spoil you?\nN: Sen. Scott thought the President was referring to a specific objective of\nending American involvement by the end of his term. How would he have gotten\nthat impression?\nK: I will not speculate on how Senators get impressions.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nPhil Potter/Kissinger\n5:22 p.m.\n4/8/71\nP: I am confused after this session this morning to come back and find UP\nquoting Scott.\nK: I was at the meeting. It makes no sense for the President to say there's\nno deadline and then give it to Scott. He doesn't keep things to himself.\nP: He didn't say there's a date but that the President has one in mind.\nK: Go with what I x told you this morning and MX you will be right.\nP: I read what you said several times. I have been thinking and others thinking\nabout leaving an is residual force. About 50, 000.\nK: I don't want to go into figures.\nP: Laird said less than that.\nK: When, today?\nP: No, sometime back.\nK: What I told you this morning goes. There are a number of people who play\ngames with force levels and we spend 3/4 of our time negotiating with ourselves.\nP: In terms of residual force XXX are we thinking of advisory group?\nK: No.\nP: A force?\nK: Yes.\nKx P: Another thing that interests me is when you said as an individual and went\noff the record that we would wonder in 3-4 years what possessed us all.\nK: In 3-4 years the outcome will have crystalized and the\nwill be over.\nP: I did get the impression that you rule out the Korean thing because that\nwas an armistice.\nK: We don't want to rule out the future because of PR exercises now.\nP: You still feel negotiations are a possibility?\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nPhil Potter/Kissinger\n5:22 p.m.\n4/8/71\n-2-\nP: The President seemd to throw those down at the news conference in his\noffice. The implication was --\nK: I agree with him but time is running out because if our forces approach\nresidual levels there's not a lot to negotiate with.\nP: I see. Thanks.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nF. Mankiewicz/Kissinger\n5:28 p.m.\n4/8/71\nK: You look particularly craggy on TV doing X instant analysis.\nM: I pointed out you? ????. . Did you hear what happened to Dolf Droge?\nK: That he couldn't speak?\nM: They moved the location of the speech because of violence. We were going\nto do him live with his answering students before and after the speech. They\npanicked at Amherst. They moved it to a chapel. His speech was dull.\nK: No, it wasn/t. You mean Dolf's or the President's.\nM: Dolf's.\nK: I was afraid you trapped me into a comment on the President's speech.\nM: I thought his was dull too. How adlib was that stuff at the end?\nK: It was pretty ad lib.\nM: Everyone was surprised on TV. You know our conversation on seeing poeple\nand I called in the information. I think you should talk with those 2 VN Senators.\nK: I will see what I can do next week.\nM: I said that the young fire eaters thought only certain replacement would do the\ntrick and they said no because it would favor outside. They have other ideas\non how it could be done so it's a fair election.\nK: That's a good point. I will see what my schedule is next wek.\nM: They could perhaps stay over.\nK: I don't want to be in a position that seems I am interfering with the election.\nM: They are here and seeing Senators. You only have to hear their views.\nYou are not even the principle foreign policy advisor.\nK: And you EXEX will straighten them out if they have apprehension. I will call\nyou tomorrow re Monday.\nM: I will say there's a possibility of Monday.\nK: I will let you know by Mxx noon.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nF. Mankiewicz/Kissinger\n5:28 p.m.\n4/8/71\n-2-\nM: I am incommunicado from 9:00 - 11:30. Just leave a message here. I\nwill be here by 11:30. If you have the massage just call it in and I will get it.\nK: I haven't seen you in too long.\nM: And when I did you were talking with the President and V. President.\nK: I have to impress you.\nM: Could we have a breakfast and dinner soon. I have a lot of ideas.\nK: How about Tues. breakfast? 8:00 at the Metropolitan Club.\nM: That's fine. You will let me know about these two fellows.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nHenry Hubbard\n4/8/71 5:35 p.m.\nH:\nslightly higher than the rate we got from last night.\nK: Then I lied to you.\nH: When was the figure finally\n?\nK: If someone would explain to me the following\neveryone plays\nthese games. Supposing we go to 16, 000. That, over eight months, amounts\nto only 12, 000 more. If we just wanted to play numbers games we could do\nthat endlessly.\nH: Of what significance is 14. 3?\nK: Just that that is the fastest responsible rate. We can either get\nout quickly, that is completely, or we can go at the most responsible rate.\nH: You said we could do 12, 000 more.\nK: But we can keep sayint that.\nH: How did Thieu feel about it? A little nervouxs?\nK: Yes. This is just about the limit that the traffic will bear\nH: I see.\nK\nK: In our analysis of it.\nH: Ahhhhh.\nK: What did you call me about?\nH: That.\nK: You think I gave you the correct guidance?\nH: I think you gave me superb guidance. The mood, the idea of coming\nout of a searing experience with a measure of pride.\nK: It just proves that sometimes I guess right.\nH: When was the figure decided on?\nK: It's a complicated problem. We didided the number of troops by the num-\nber of fire bases, and multiplied by the average number of hills in the Delta.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nHenry Hubbard\n4/8/71 5:35 p.m.\npage 2\nH: Can I arrive at the formula for a deadline by the same way?\nK: No, we've got a formula for that but it's different.\nH: When did you arrive at the figures sir?\nK: Over the weekend.\nH: What went into it -- you talked about painstaking analysis.\nK: I gave you the analysis.\nH: You mean by analysis your best judgment of the impact of the Laotian\nope ration?\nK: And the capabilities of the enemy over the next year or year and a half. OK'\nH: No, not okay. Have you got another two minutes?\nK: Yes.\nH: Ao what extent was it a response to the Calley thing?\nK: None whatsoever. Not even related.\nH: He does allude to it.\nK: No, the basic outline existed before. The only thing that could have\nbeen affected was his affirmation of confidence in the soldiers. This second\nparagraph was perhaps more prominent than it would have been otherwise. But\nthat will be judicially determined. What was more on his mind is the argument\nthat the war itself is an atrocity.\nH: But the basic outline of the speech existed before Calley?\nK: Yes.\nH: It was understated, firm. You didn't know he would talk about Taylor?\nK: No. I knew he would do something a couple of hours before in general,\nbut I didn't know the actual words.\nH: Okay. The Pentagon is somewhat surprised he low figure.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nHenry Hubbard\n4/8/71 5:35 p.m\npage 3\nK: You're joking. Cut it out; you make me cry. Do you think they\nrecommended a higher figure?\nH: There was some claim\nSome talk that Laird recommended a\nhigher one. You can't talk about that though.\nK: God dammit. Some of these guys never quit.\nH: What would you do if Hanoi offered tomorrow all the POWs back in\nexchange for a date, with the proper assurances of course.\nK: I would ask for a naval base in\nH: Are you vulnerable to an offer?\nK: No.\nH: No?\nK: No. We want it, but not along these lines.\nH: Then the POWs are not enough?\nYou can trust what he [the P.\nsays. He generally does what he says. I keep saying that. This was very like\nthe November 3 speech, but firmer and more presidential. You left me last\nweek with the impression that the only reason for not going to a deadline is this\nsmall percentage.\nK: That is one of the principal reasons.\nH: Are any others valid? We can now predict when the U.S. will be no\nlonger a factor.\nK: That is one of the principal reasons.\nH: Okay. Thank you.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nJoe Sisco\n4/9/71 8:18 a. m.\nK: Is Ceylon in your area?\nS: Yes, I'm afraid so.\nK: I noticed the cable sent saying that the British had sent six helicopters.\nThe next time a cable goes out that involves policy that doesn't go through the\nWhite House you and I are going to be in the President's office. This has hap-\npened too many times and I have put up with it long enough.\nS: What the cable says is\nK: I don't give a damn what the cable says. This is a matter of policy\nand it is something in whibh the President is intensely interested. I know what\nthe cable says; I have it here in front of me.\nS: What we are tryigg to do is to get them to produce it.\nK: I knew what you are trying to do. I am trying to get the President\ninvolved in your bureau. I have been as patient as I can be and this is it.\nS: We cancelled out last night on that SRG. Are we rescheduling it today?\nK: I'll see about that.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nAmb. Rabin/Kissinger\n10:23 a. m.\n4/9/71\nR: I hope you enjoyed your stay on the West Coast.\nK: Very pleasant.\nR: I can imagine you have more urgent problems then the M.E. at the moment.\nK: I have plenty of problems.\nR: I was asked for your comments on certain issues. Not urgent. It can wait\nuntil next week.\nK: Let's do it before Wed. next week.\nR: I will ask my secretary to work out a time.\nK: Good to have a chance to talk. How have you been?\nR: Relaxing. Now we let others be worried.\nK: xLxex Relaxing is not the idea I associate most with you.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\ntTELCON\nLaird/Kissinger\n10:25 a. m. 4/9/71\nK: I have over here a suggested question and answer your people want to\ngive at your briefing. I don't usually bother you with this -- residual forces.\nDown to 43, 000. In two parts. First about residula forces and then it ties it\nto the Korea thing. Then ixx it says ketxs less than Korea and Korea is 43, 000.\nL: That may be for testimony\n.\nK: We have to knock off discussion now. We will blow every possible chance.\nL: The X Presdient has gone to nothing.\nK: Whatever the President may have done we should shut up.\nL: I will talk to them about it.\nK: Can't we say the President has made himself plain and we will not\nelaborate.\nL: Why talk about residual force?\nK: They say \"? ? ? ? ? ? on next prisoners. IT We don't want to discuss prisoners\nnow. We want to tie it to the bast time he speaks.\nL: He has gone beyond that now anyway.\nK: We should just stonewall it now.\nL: I will say that make no news. They could find old testimony.\nK: They want to use what you have said on residual force. The President\nsaid ultimately. Hekept it open for negotiations.\nL: I will talk to them about it right now.\nK: They are not to discuss residual forces in any context or President in anyway.\nStonewall it.\nL: They will stay with the President speech.\nK: They shouldn't interpret it. We don't another story on total withdrawal.\nL: I don't know where -- out of testimony.\nK: It's a x suggested Q&A. They discussed it with my press guy here.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nSecretary Laird\n4/9/71 10:57 a. m.\nL: Several things I thought that we ought to\nDo you have a\ncouple of minutes?\nK: Sure.\nL: One of the problems that is developing around here in the past\nsix to sevem months is that there's been a lot of real in-fighting on this\nquestion of the law of the sea.\nK: Yes.\nL: You've got these private interests and fishing interests and others\ndoing a hell of a job on this. But I'm afraid national security interests are\nnot being adequately thought of the protected. Bill is going to this meeting\non Tuesday of next week and he plans to talk informally with Brazil and\nsome others about the question of the two hundred mile limitation. But once\nyou bring that up without our policy resolved it causes difficulties. We can\nmake some changes in our position, but we have to be careful because this\nidea that Brazil is going to start taking our boats we've got to hard-line\nit before we resolve these issues. The right of transit through straights (?)\nis important, not only to us but to the Soviet Union too, and before informal\ndiscussions with anyone get started wek have got to have a national policy.\nI think this is important. I think it is more important than SALT. I know\nthat for everyong SALT takes the front burner, but our ocean policy from\na long-term point of view is very important. If we don't have the capability\nto operate we might as well not have an Air Force or a Navy.\nK: I agree.\nL: There was a NSSM sent out\nK: And then there was some misunderstanding and I held it until we\ncould talk again.\nL: That had to do with the point that's comigg up on Tuesday. But\nI\"ve been pressing for a year on this. I think it's important.\nK: I will do something about it. I think the problem that arose was\nthat I didn't sufficiently distinguish between the 200 mile policy and the law\nof the sea problem. I will do that and get it out today, if you'll back me up\non it.\nL: I will back you on it but let me see how you write it.\nK: I will. I will get Kennedy to check with General Pursley.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nSecretary Laird\n4/9/71 10:57 a. m.\npage 2\nL: Okay. Next thing, it doesn't do any good to get into a hassle with\nFord, Scott, Griffin,\non what the President\ndid or did not say. These Congressmen are going to unite on their inter-\npretation.\nfor them to get into a big flap on it now. It's\nScott talking. To get the White House into a flap with Scott and Ford\nWere you there? I wasn't.\nK: Yes, I was there. What he said is consistent with both interpreta-\ntions. The Congressmen are not wrong to draw the conclusion they did that\nhe had a date in mind.\nL: They think it is wrong to have the President make a foontal attack\non them. For one thing if there's anything that unites guys it's being taken\non that way. They say the President said he had a plan but wasn't giving it\nto them/\nK: That's right. He did say that.\nL: It would have been better if they had kept their mouths shut, but\nit's better now if we keep our mouths shut.\nK: I think we all should shut up now. We should just stand on the\nPresident's speech.\nL: That ought to be, but txhxexixex that isn't what happened yesterday.\nK: I will see that Ziegler keeps quiet.\nL: We are trying to get down into that Congressional fight and I am\nnot going to.\nK: Let's just stand on the President's speech, but let s not explain it\neither.\nL: We are going to stay with it, but what's happening over there is\nthat some people are backing away from the President's speech. We have\ngot to just stand on it and then forget it. Scott and Ford and all these\nguys are going to go all out that he promised a total withdrawal let them\ndo that talking. But there's no sense in taking them on. We are the losers\nif we start doing that.\nK: Okay. One thing I wanted to mention. We have a Verification\nPanel meeting this afternoon on SALT and there are two things: One, the\nPresident would prefer to have Safeguard against NCA rather than NCA\nagainst NCA in the position\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nSecretary Laird\n4/9/71 10:57 a. m.\npage 3\nL: Yes.\nK: So if your people can keep that in mind\nL: I still think the stop-where-you-are on the Safeguard thing is\nbetter than NCA.\nK: That is also a possibility. But someone told me that Defense\nmight propose Xd an ABM only agreement.\nL: Who told you that?\nK: I don't know.\nL: It's a bunch of crap.\nK: Well anything that gets to ACDA gets all over town.\nL: We don't have a proposal like that, but we may have a sto-p-where-\nyou-are rather than NCA, but that would also be tied into offensive limitations.\nK: Right.\nL: Okay, but the reason I called about this is that Bobby Griffin (?)\nhas a speech on it today.\nK: We are not going to say any more.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nMr. Kissinger/Kay Graham\nApril 9, 1971 10:45 a. m.\njlj\nK: You will be amazed that I am not calling about an editorial.\nG: I was just getting my feet on the floor. I was just hanging on to the\nside of my desk.\nK: You can come out from under your desk. I don't know how I got\nthis rather Levantine mission but do you know Chris\nSoames?\nG: Dimly. Not very well.\nK: Let me give you the full story. A friend of mine is dating Chris\nSoames daughter. Her brother, his son, would like to find summer\nemployment with the Washington Post My friend says that Chris\nSoames doesn't want to call you because it would put you in the\nembarrassing position for not being able to turn him down. He reads\nyour editorials and knows you will not feel badly about turning me down.\nG: Has the kid applied. All those things are done but we will just have\nto take him.\nK: I do not know Chris Soames and I do not know the son. If you turn\nhim him down it will be low down on my list of grievances against you.\nG: There are about 600 applicants and only 15 jobs. These jobs are\nusually for journalist students.\nK: I think he is a journalism student. Please keep two months job\nfor me when I get booted out of here.\nG: These are lush things. I do not feel terribly indebted to him. If\nhe is a jerk I am going to say no.\nK: My friend says he is pretty good but I do not know him.\nG: There is no point in giving him a job if he is not good.\nK: As far as I understand he does want to go into Journalism. When you\nmake your decision if you could drop me a note telling me that you find\nit easy to turn me down.\nG: And I will enclose an exclosive editorial to prove it. I am in a labor meeting.\nK: It doesn't have to be done immediately.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n2\nG: I am going to the Reitzman's at 3 this afternoon.\nK: Where?\nG: Their place in Palm X Beach.\nK: I have been invited to several things next week and have been told\nthat WAN you would be there also. Where are we going next week?\non Tuesday.\nG: Joe Alsops./ and then there is the one that Rolie and me on Thursday.\nI started having it for Otis and then Rolie wanted to have one for\nSO we are doing it together. We will see each other on Tuesday and\nThursday. I got a wire today that had your name in it. Do you want\nto hear the story?\nK: Sure.\nG: I did a BBC interview with a guy from the Observer - in depth type\nstuff and he asked about the romance with Ted. I told the silly ass\nstory --\nK: What was that last word?\nG: What? Oh - I told that silly story about guess what move over?\n(????)\nK: Oh yeh.\nG: They must have shown the bloody thing in India because I got a wire from\nKen Keating xthex saying that they are calling\nhim asking if Edward or Henry have the inside track with me. xIx He says\nthat he told them he did - Ken Keating. Isn't that great?\nK: Great. That is very great. It would take a convoluted Indian mind\nto think of something like that.\nG: Is that what next week will be like. Together all the time?\nK: Without fail.\nG: I will put this off and let you know on Monday.\nK: There is no hurry. Literally I have no interest except that I have\nfew women who can say no to me.\nG: and who occasionally does although not too often.\nK: That's OK - he said through clenched teeth.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nRogers/Kissinger\n2:40 p.m.\n4/9/71\nK: I hope I didn't pull you out of anything.\nR: No.\nK: We are putting out a directive today addressed to you and Helms and Mel to sto]\ntalking about residual forces and the President wanted you to understand as I am\nsure you will who it q was addressed to.\nK: I understand.\nK: Everyone here knows that security in the dept. has been perfect.\nR: On the Ted Shultz article I am sure it didn't come from here. We have been\nawfully good.\nOn this other I havent' said anything.\nK: There's not the slightest doubt. Defense today wanted to say that residual forc\nis similar to Korea and Korea is 43, 000.\nR: It's like a seive. I am proud of State in the last few months.\nK: No problem on this end. Another thing I want to ask you about. Last week\nSisco sent out cables which reported some changes on Pakistan and Ceylong.\nNever talked to us. If we could have informal clearances it would make us feel\nbetter. We usually agree.\nR: I didn't realize that. On Pakistan we were following ? ??.\nK: I am crabbing at Sisco because your other bureaus there are doing it meticulou\nR: I will talk to him about the future and son'e mention the past.\nK: That would be good.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nMr. Kissinger/Sally Quinn\nApril 9, 1971 4:37 p.m.\njlj\nK: I have not been able to think of anything clever to say.\nQ: Oh come on. I thought you would stay up all night thinking of something.\nK: But you could certainly say something very warm about her.\nQ: Henry Kissinger speaks of her with warmth. I had a delightful dinner\nwith Guido Goldman last night.\nK: He is one of the world's great people.\nQ: He is a nice guy and charming.\nK: I think Barbara is one of the great people.\nQ: You told me a few things the other night that I can use.\nK: I speak of her with great affection and warmth. Most people talk about\nher because she is brash but she is a good human being. Also fun.\nQ: I think of her that way too. She is the most loyal friend I have.\nK: That I believe. When am I going to see this? Will you tell me how\nGuido found you.\nQ: Ask him.\nK: He is much to descreet.\nQ: We went with John Newhouse.\nK: I approve of both of your taste.\nQ: It should come out in July.\nK; Can one see a draft.\nQ: Sure. If I ever get it written.\nK: You will get it written.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nSecretary Laird/Mr. Kissinger\nApril 9, 1971 4:45 p.m.\njlj\nL: We are not the ones doing the speculating over here. In some testimony\nup on the hill we have been giving and it sure doesn't help us. I think it would\nbe a good idea to distribute this around the White House - through Herb Klein's\noffice or somebody.\nK: Absolutely, it is a very good point. It was not going tax bex up but I will\ntry to get that done.\nget\nL: They were talking about it.\nWe have to keep this Congressional briefing\nthing quieted down not start it up. Some of these things should not be said\nbecause it is difficult to go to the Hill and testify then.\nK: We are saying no more over here.\nL: It would have been better if we had not said anything before. Did you see\nthe New York Times article that says the budget cutters out maneuvered\nthe Secretary. I was on the Hill today and it makes it damn difficult.\nK: Whieh story is that. I did not read it.\nL: It is on page C-11. Pentagon Generals and Admirals outmaneuver George\nShultz and the Secretary of Defense. Have had put in the budget $2 million\nmore than they need and it should be taken out immediately. That does not\nhelp me one Goddamn bit. This comes from the White House.\nK: What makes you think it comes from here?\nL: It comes from the office of Management and Budget - that is White House.\nK: Yes, that is probably true. I will get that memorandum out to my people\nhere immediately.\nL: We cannot have everybody around here briefing Joe Alsop and everybody\nelse.\nK: I will take care of it. Have a good Easter.\nL: Happy Easter to you.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nHenry Truitt\nMr. Kissinger\n5:05 p.m., April 9, 1971\nT:\nHenry, how are you?\nK:\nI just wanted to tell you that the story you heard that on the\nday of the speech I asked Rose Woods for the final version of\nthe speech and she wouldn't give it to me is complete nonsense.\nT:\nThat item in the Wall Street Journal? I thought it was but we\nwanted to use it for a little bit of color if it was true.\nK:\nNo - it is absolutely not true.\nT:\nHas Dave Halperin spoken to you about speaking to the\noverseas writers yet?\nK:\nNo. But work it out with him and I will do it some time in\nMay.\nT:\nWhile I have you on the phone, I have a publication date on\nmy book about McNamara.\nK:\nOh yes. I would love to see it. I hope it is sympathetic.\nT:\nOh yes. I gave him high marks on strategic rationality.\nK:\nAlright Hank, thank you.\nmlh\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nAmb. Cromer/Kissinger\n5:40 p.m.\n4/9/71\nC: I hope I wasn't inconveincing you.\nK: You did a favor. I was so busy. I suppose you will tell me when you are\nready\nC: It will be at the end of the next week.\nK: I want to discuss that matter.\nC: You mean your private plans.\nK: I need an excuse to get to Europe. A speech is not a reason. Being invited\nby ISS no one would believe that I would go to London for that. Maybe nothing\ncan be done. It's W easy to get there but if there's an excuse --\nC: A meeting or a speech would be about the only alibi.\nK: Maybe Burt Trent\nC: If you don't mind that.\nK: I could set up an NSC type office.\nC: That wouldn't embarass you?\nK: Not if it doesn't have a diplomatic aspect. I don't do speeches here unless it's i\noff the record meeting.\nC: I am going over on Monday for a couple of days and I will talk with Burt to see\nwhat we can work up.\nK: The ideal would be something that would give me more than one occasion which\nI don't have to do much on but which could get me to Europe.\nC: You don't mind Cabinet meetings?\nK: I want to get there visibly and do other things too.\nC: I thought you wanted something more overt because it xipx provides the pretext.\nK: If it were a prestigous group with one meeting a year.\nC:: Ditchley?\nK: I don't attend meetings of that kind here. It's fixed on a given weekend. The\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nAmb. Cromer/Kissinger\n5:40 p.m.\n4/9/71\n-2-\nK: (cont) ideal is something I can move around a bit.\nC: Something of a technical aspect between you and the Cabinet officers.\nK: Something from the President on paper. Saying this discussed and picking\nit up and I will come on that basis.\nC: And no lable to this.\nK: I could say here that you wanted some further discussions on procedure\nhere.\nC: Purely technical character and not political. I am on your wavelength and\nI am sure we can devise something.\nK: I may not pick it up but it would be helpful if I could on short notice.\nC: On that basis it could be on any basis at all.\nK: Then if I am\nthere I can work it out.\nC: It would be helpful to have a letter from the PM to the President about\nwhat's been discussed.\nK: The President is of course aware of this. It would have many advantages.\nI will see you when you return.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTEL CON\nAmb. Bush/Kissinger\n10:10 a. m.\n4/12/71\nK: You should have kicked your predessor out of his apartment a week earlier.\nB: Hosv did you like that?\nK: On grounds of decendy it's inconceivable to me.\nB: Its a testimony he made at the Democratic convention in '68 stop the\nbombing and that. When you stop the bombing we will get out. It's so different.\nK: Which he never brought to our attention.\nB: He said he sent a memo.\nK: In Oct. '69 he claims he sená a memo.\nB: I am open to suggestion.\nK: I haven't any. The President asked me to call SO that in NY no one is\nunder the misapprehension on where XX you stand.\nB: No. We have had two good briefings at TIme-Life and I said if I don't support\nthey should get another man. I think we should do something. he We had another\nthing like this but the AP guy talked me out of it because xx said we are picking\na fight. I would be glad to do something. There was nothing up here.\nK: I don't think we sh ould call attention to it unless it gets worse. You will call\nme when you have a concern and failing that, if you can make it clear in NY that you\nare behind the President.\nB: No problem.\nK: On the deadline issue.\nB: We are doing a lot fo stoff and I point that out. They are backgrounders and don\nget in the papers.\nK: Don't yield on the deadline.\nB: Hell no. Had a good briefing by Tom Moorer on Friday.\nK: (HAK called to the President. Secy. indicated he would call back again later.)\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nSecy. Stans/Kssinger\n10:12 a.m.\n4/12/71\nS: I don't know if this is in your area but I would like letters from the President\non my trip overseas.\nK: That's in my area. You will get them. Where are you going?\nS: Ireland, Spain, Greece, Iran and Austria.\nK: When are you leaving?\nS: Sat.\nK: Right.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nRogers/Kissinger\n12:47 p.m.\n4/12/71\nR: I am shocked by Yost's article.\nK: Xxx Isn't that outrageous?\nR: What I am calling about is his attendance at NSC meetings where VN came up.\nI know the President is madder than hell. I am not sure it's wise for me to\ntake him on because it will give him fexxx visibility.\nK: It's only on the Post now.\nR: If we take him on we will make enemies. I would like to see a study done.\nK: I am doing that here. He was inundating us on memos. Why not on VN?\nI am looking at his testimony before the Democratic Partisan Committee. I\nwill look at the NSC files.\nR: I will do it over here. I am worried about a battle with him now. I\nK: The President wanted you to attack him but I have mixed emothons about giving\nhim publicity.\nR: Maybe we could get someone in Congress to write a letter. I could answer and\nset it straight.\nK: The first month of the Administration the President made strong public\ndefense of him.\nR: No way to explain it. No defense. The President was nice as hell.\nI gave him a luncheon.\nK: I think he hurt himself when this X flap subsides everyone will know why we\ngot rid of him.\nR: Everyone in the foreign service\nand then something like this happens\nand the President gets mad as hell.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nShirley Temple Black/Kissinger\n12:55 p.m.\n4/12/71\nB: Sorry I bothered you last week and wanted your advice.\nK: We have looked into it and think it's perfectly appropriate. We don't know\nyour specific role but I am sure you will negotiate that with the organizers.\nB: I am a panelist and rapportenr. The first is easy and I will make sure\nI am careful on the second part. Another thing. I am going to Saudi Arabia\non the 16th. When I was in Geneva in Feb. Amb.\nwho is the UAR\nAmbassador asked me to come to Cairo. Is this awkward?\nK: It would be better if you could go to Israel too.\nB: The time is bad but no one has invited me to Israel.\nK: That could be arranged. Do you want it done?\nB: I am still debating Cairo. Ambassador El Zaib\nK: It cannot be harmful if you don't endorse things but it would only be slightly\nbetter if you go to Israel.\nB: Sorry I missed you in Washington. I was just going rhrough.\nK: Let me know when you are next here.\nB: And when you are in San Francisco.\nK: I wasn't there.\nB: The gossip columns said you were.\nK: (Something about he is more concerned about what they report rather than\nwhet the fial to report.) Don't believe them. I haven't beenthere since the\nvisit of the Korean.\nB: They put you in every chance they get.\nK: Into San. Francisco? I was at the Bohemian Grove but not in the city.\nB: It was when the President in San Clemente. I saw it in Herb Kane's column.\nK: What was I doing there?\nB: I don't remember the young lady.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nS. T. Black/Ki ssinger\n12:55 p.m.\n4/12/71\n-2-\nK: I am flattered but I've not been there since the Korean visit and not in the\nBay area since Bohemian Grove.\nB: Shall I advise you if I go to Cairo?\nK: And I kix will tell the Israelis and see if they want to see you.\nB: The Rumanian trip was excellent and I wrote 106 pages. Nothing important.\nK: Send them. I would be interested.\nB: I will have my journal copied.\nK: Let me know when you come to Washington. I would love to see you.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nSen. Griffin/Kissinger\n1:13 p.m.\n4/12/71\nG: I am awfully sorry to bother you. I don't know if this makes sense -- in\nconnection with the ANSE meeting this wee I was thinking Q8X of getting toghether\nwith some Michigan people. The Detroit Free Press, Booth news, and\n.\nThinking of cocktails Wed. Any possibility that we could get you to come in\nand chat with these people?\nK: Sure. I will check it out here. If it would -- you really want me to do it?\nG: I do.\nwould be well represented -- - - Mark, Daniels, Knight and\nK: I talked with Knight at the Gridiron. He is not with us. What time?\nG: In a gorup it might be better. 5:00 at the Shoreham.\nK: Not in the newspapers?\nG: No, private small group.\nK: Let's say I will do it.\nG: 5:00 Wed. I will get back to you.\nWould\nK: AX 5:30 be okay?\nG: OK. We will firm up the details and get back to your secretary.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nAmb. Bush/Kissinger\n2:16 p.m.\n4/12/71\nK: The President called for me and didn't relinquish me.\nB: I have been thinking since Q we talked and I think I should send a lett to the\neditor of the Post. It hasn't been in the Times. I think it will be in the Congress-\nional record but fortunately most of them ore out of town. I drafted a letter\nthat will put me on the record in support of the President and XIXSXIX answers\nwhether the President is entitled to have a supporter at the UN. It's not\nargumentative and doesn't tear Yost up. I have talked with some up here. They\nsaid if you put out a press release at the UN you are picking a fight and giving\nnotereity to something people here havent' seen. This could be reprinted and\nsay that USUN doesn't feel this way. We believe in the policy.\nK: I rather like that. Let me check with Haldeman.\nB: (Starts to diotatex read letter. Letter is attached to this memcon, verbatim)\nK: Say in the apartment you let him use an extra week.\nB: \"cont. \"\nK: Great letter. I will talk with Haldeman and get back to you.\nB: I don't think the Post can say it's denegrating Yost is some way.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nLetter to the Editor : the Washington Post.\n\"The article in Sunday's paper by my predecessor, and friend, Charles Yost,\nprompts me to write,\nI write not because I challenge Mr. Yosts right to speak out now that he\nis a private citizan, unencumbered by public responsibility; but rather lest anyone\nfeel that Mr. Yost's private views reflect any present differences between\nPresidential policies and policies here at USUN.\nThe United States Mission to the United Nations at times has appeared\nto the public as a separate State Department. This is not good for U.S.\npolicy nor is it fair to the President.\nFirst, I support the President fully in his efforts to get us out of\nVietnam. I know from personal conversations of his dedication towards ending\nthe war.\nI believe the President is right in stepping up withdrawals. In my\njudgement setting a \"date certain\" would slam the door shut on any possible\nnegotiations.\nBut then there's a second point that goes way beyond the Yost letter.\nIn my view the President is entitled to advocacy here at the UN. His policies\ndeserve to be forcefully presented.\nOf course differences may develop, and I plan to express myself on\nthe issues to both Secretary Rogers and the President; but once policies are\nset, the government is entitled to have an advocate in these important halls.\nThough the question of the Vietnam war is not befor the UN, It is\non the minds of the delegates and Secretariat.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n-2-\nI think it's important for them to know that this Ambassador strongly\nsupports the President's policies.\nI do it because I should do it, and I do it because I believe.\nYours very truly,\nGeorge Bush\"\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nSecretary Laird\n4/12/71 2:35 p.m.\nL: I want to just check one or two things that might be embarrassing\nto you and if they are we won't go ahead.\nK: To me personally?\nL: Well, that might cause problems over there in the White House.\nK: Right.\nL: First, David is putting on quite a little pressure for a complete\nbriefing for him and his staff on rain-making. I would like to stay away\nfrom it.\nK: Ed David?\nL: Yes.\nK: Just skip it.\nL: Ithing it's better not to get into it.\nK: These scientists leak like cra zy.\nL: We just deny the whole thing; I'd like to stay away from it.\nK: I'm for that.\nL: So if they come complaining to you, I'm the one that shut it off\nand if they complain too loud we'll do something about it. Let me know if\nthere are too many problems.\nK: Right.\nL: Okay, second I'm a member of this international prayer group.\nHarmel goes to the meetings, so does Schroede r and Helmut Schmidt.\nI met with them when I was a legislator.\nK: Yes.\nL: You think there's anything wrong with my meeting with them again\nwhen I'm over?\nK: I don't see why.\nL: I did it as a parliamentarian, as a legislator.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nSecretary Laird\n4/12/71 2:35 p.m. paga 2\nK: No, I think it's a tribute to you.\nL: They want to meet just outside of Paris. It will be all the top\nparliamentarians. I have met with them on a regular basis. I just don't\nwant to go through all the clearances that I would have to for these meet-\nings.\nK: I see no reason why not. What reason would there be against it?\nL: I have to get all these clearances for it. I would rather not go\nthrough this from ISA and State. I will just call Bill and tell him about it.\nThey pick a different topic for each meeting. For this one it's with re-\nspect to law and justice. These papers have to do with violence mostly.\nIt's quite a good list of people. I'll send you a memo about it and talk to\nBill but I'd rather not get this listed as anything.\nK: I think that's a good idea.\nL: Okay.\nK: I think it's to your credit that you want to do it.\nL: This is a group I've known for a long time. I used to part of it\nas a parliamentarian. The President was aware of this before I had this\njob -- I used to give him information about it before he became a candidate.\nOkay next, you know we're getting a lot of heat now on the budget. They\nare building up steam on budget cuts and I would like to meet with the\nPentagon press corps and put a hard sell on the budget while the Congress\nis out of session.\nK: When?\nL: Tomorrow, before the Proxmire hearings start up. I wouldn't\nrefer to the Joint Economic Committee hearings.\nK: Okay, as long as you stay away from withdrawal. The President\nis getting very goosey about terminal dates and so forth, even though he's\nadding to the talk himself.\nL: We ha ven't been doing that over here. The problem has been this\nconflict Scott went on \"Issues and Answers\"\nK: Yes, I saw it in the news summary.\nL: They are trying to build up a statement on residual forces thing\nthat I said a long time ago and that the President didn't say.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nSecretary Laird\n4/12/71 2:35 p.m. page 3\nK: That's just a game they are playing.\nL: I know - they're trying to show that I don't have the President's\nsupport.\nI'm not going to play that game.\nK: Another thing. We have the impression that ABM xx isn't being\npushed as hard as it should be, in the Pentagon.\nL: We have got to start hitting these things on not only defensive\nbut offensive parts of our budget. I would say not only for Vietnam related\nthings but for after Vietnam. Dn the ABM we've lost / some votes in the\nlast few weeks you know.\nK: Who?\nL: MacIntire. Now he's not going to go with us. He's going for the\nescrow thing until after SALT, so we do have a problem there. And it\nlooks like Cook too, but we might get him back.\nK: Yes, we might.\nL: Scott is okay, I think he'll stay. But we can't afford to lose too\nmany. MacIntire is lost because he thinks he was screwed on Portsmouth.\nK: We are selling Portsmouth about six times.\nxxkx L: But we're selling it to the wrong people. We didn't get Mrs.\nSmith on either ABM or SST.\nK: You must always give things to ladies without expectation of\nreturns.\nL: You're the master.\nK: That's the only thing my colleagues rejognize me for.\nL: That's good. It's a good way to be remembered.\nK: I'm having lunch with you tomorrow.\nL: Right, at 12:30/\nK: I have 1:00.\nL: That's okay.\nK: Okay, and I'll come over there.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nAmb. Rabin/Kissinger\n2:45 p.m.\n4/12/71\nR: I couldn't find you on Friday and I talked to Al.\nK: I am seeing you exgex today.\nR: I thought when I called it would be election period but a few hours later I\nreceived a call from back home. It seems it's complicated. I would like the\nbeginning few minutes alone with you. I think I have a little to explain what I\nwill do officially later to you.\nK: That's fine. Let's not get too clever because you have to understand the\nlimitations of our bureaucracy.\nR: I cannot promise I will not be clever.\nK: Your following instructions. I will see you at 5:00.\nR: 5:30.\nK: At 5:30 and I will arrange that you see me alone for a few minutes at first.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified."
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