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President/Kissinger
7:40 p.m. April 20, 1971
Missed the first two or three minutes of conversation.
K: Well, one of my former State Department employees is now a professor
and
in Germany and brought some of his students by.
at
P: I see, well I want to tell you two things -- one must not be concerned
about the babble of these Senators. The second thing is the guy I think that
has talked to them is Laird. Laird is one who is always playing both sides.
K: That is right, Mr. President. When you suggested breakfast with Laird
he was in New York, I think it might be good for his morale if he had it.
P: Fine, Thursday morning.
K: I will do my best -- I think you are right.
P: He talks always with Baker and Gurney and the rest that we should not
have done the Laos thing, that they insisted. You know Henry, both
State and Defense are trying to play everyone.
Of course they don't
look beyond to see what would have happened if we hadn't had the Laos
operation.
K: I have
North Vietnamese
P: I know the point is it was a decision we made, it is done now. Everybody
has got to stand by it.
K: Right, I don't think we would have the Chinese move.
P: The point is that we have to realize that Laird in particular must stand
up.
Tell the others of these fellows
Baker is an honest man SO is
Gurney. They are just reporting mail. We polled the whole country.
K: I think that is right Mr. President. In the next few weeks I think we will
get a turn.
P: Laird is very key
,
he has got to stand
affirmatively on our own.
take away from us.
K: Right Mr. President, thank you.
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