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Stennis/Kissinger
1:45 p.m.
5/12/71
K: I am taking the liberty of calling you which I don't do if I can avoid it on
the Mansfield business. The President's deep conviction is that the resolution
and any compromise would unravel the whole postwar fox foreign policy.
This goes to the heart of everything we have been trying to do and XO can't
go along with the Mansfield resolution or any compromise including the Javits
one. You will make your own decision but this is a matter of unde rmining
our national interest. If Congress wants to take that responsibility / / / /
or leave any doubt that he is opposed to it.
S: I am glad to talk with you about it and get his position. Starting with that the
question of the botes I just don't know. I think it's against us vote-wise.
K: If the Senate wants to be on the record on something thex it doesn't hold
a hearing to un-do 25 years of bipartisan American foregin policy -- if we
have come to that point then it will be but the President hopes good sense of the
Senate will take hold.
S: I am not yelling one iota.
K: On VN we believe we are right. But that's one policy we are tryingto
disengage but on NATO it's the whole structure of the post-war
. And
when both things are defeated simultanwously we will have a policy that's like
Finland or go completely independent in nuclear way in which the whole Atlantic
relationship is jeopardized. I have talked with the President about it and we
cannot go on a compromise that will maintain the principle that is contrary to
our judgment on what's necessary to preserve the peace when the strategic
balance is
unless there's substantial ground forces there.
S: I am with you. I would like a token reduction to keep it from overwhelming
us.
K: We are going to end negotiations on force reductions and I know the Presiden
would appreciate whatever you can do in the national interest.
S: You mean filibuster it to death? We don't have the vote. We stand a chance
of deteriorating our stance on selective service act.
K: XAX Not fillibuster but go into the next week to see what the public mood is.
S: Scott, Griffing and I talked about it and we plan to go over it with Mansfield.
I.asked him to withdraw his part until we have finished the other parts of the
bill but he wouldn't. I haven't t ought of anything -- we can probably get it
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