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    "ocrText": "TELECON\nHenry Hubbard\n6/17/71 ca. 1:00 p.m. p. 2\nthey are going to try to arrest him this afternoon.\nK: Who is going to?\nH: The FBI. He is in big trouble. Anyway, he said you knew of the\nexistence of the volumes.\nK: I knew of theix existence of the study, not of the volumes. It's not\n?\nLaird knew of the existence of them.\nH: That jibes. Really the most important question to you as a historian\nis how do they jibe with the realities of what went on?\nK: My problem is that I have not read any volume except the one on\nthe negotiations, because it involved me. The reason I'm not giving you a\ngood judgment is that I would have had to story the volumes from which the\nNew York Times articles were done. But let me give you my personal\njudgment: First, they started with selected files only the Department\nof Defense, not those of the White House or State. Therefore, they don't\nknow what George Ball said to counter the de Defense arguments. You\ndon't know therefore what the President had before. Second, take the\narticle on bombing. You don't know to what question that was addressed.\nUnless you know to what question it applies it is dangerous to draw conclusions.\nAlso, this mass of documents was weeded out by researchers who were not\ntrained historians; they were mostly graduate students. Then the New York\nTimes weeded it out further. So it may be authentic, but not very accurate.\nH: Okay Henry, I agree with you on grounds of logic. Now, is it not accurate?\nK: On that you should talk to people like Bundy who know what went on.\nH: But they are now suspect.\nK: Take John McNaughton. I saw the piece yesterday in which he is\nquoted as saying that only 10 percent of the war has to do with self-determination.\nHe was passionately opposed to the war!\nAll of this is off the record.\nH: Can I attribute it to the bureaucracy.\nK: Yes\nBut you don't know what he tried to achieve with this\nmemo. He may have tried to show there was no South Vietnamese interest.\nH: That's what I am concerned about.\nK: You read this with\n; it's this sort of distortion which occurs"
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