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Secretary Laird
11/9/71 2:35pm
K: Did you have a good trip?
L: Yes, a very good trip. It went along all right. Most encouraging.
K: I am delighted.
L: Abe and Bunker are getting along well. J spent four hours with Thieu.
He brought in the whole damn cabinet for one meeting. They are all very con-
cerned about economic aid package, not the military aid package because they
know that's in our bill. I quieted them down a bit though.
K: Good. What I called you about is this.
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K: That's right.
L: He is going to join my old friend, Justin
K: The President is calling; I'll call you back.
11/9/71 2:45pm
L: Yes.
K: This was just to impress you.
L: Yes I know. But I understand Smith is going to take Bill Brimm's
and he went out and joined Justin. He moved up to Vice President.
K: Really? I just hope you will think of me when I need a job.
L: I take care of everybody.
K: I'll get you Gloria Steinem's telephone number.
L: The hell with that; I'd want more than that.
K: There are lots of people who would get me a job just to get XEXX
me out of here.
L: I don't feel that way, but you did pull a trick on me I see.
K: What trick?
L: You pulled a trick on me -- this god-damned intelligence business.
K: This was Shultz; I thought you knew.
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Secretary Laird
11/9/71 p. 2
L: Never. I don't know what makes people think Helms has anything to do
with this. I have to support
K: You ought to raise hell with Shultz.
L: I'm not going to raise hell with anybody; I'm just not going to
cooperate.
K: Come on Mel.
L: God-damn right I'm not.
K: What gto you mean you're not going to cooperate?
L: I just won't. My committee up there
You have to
in the Hoase and the Senate. They weren't even told. They're so god-damned
mad. I'm up there trying to straighten it out, and how they can be so xxxxpe
stupid I don't under. I'm not letting them know I didn't know.
K: Well, I am not the Director of the Office of Management.
K: You can't do things they way in this town.
K: I thought this had all been discussed with the interested agencies,
L: No.
K: I don't give a damn from my own point of view.
L: That isn't the point. On something that affects my agency, if you
are not my point of contact in the White House who can I rely on?
K: I thought you knew.
L: Hell no.
K: I thought Smith and Schlesinger sat down with your people
L: Hell no. I said 'you hangk have got to give me at least a week.'
I spent 15 days morning and afternoon testifying on this program. They are
so gad-damned mad it's pathetic.
K: I call you up to ask you something and then I get you upset. Are
you calm enough to listen to a question?
L: I know what you are going to talk to me abput.
K: What am I going to talk about?
I: Transferring Phil over.
K: You have got my room bugged. Can I talk to him?
L: That's all right. But Haig already talked to him, and so did Smith.
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Secretary Laird
11/9/71 p. 3
K: But then I turned that off.
L: I'll tell you something Henry. These people who work for me always
tell me who talks to whom, because that's the kind of place I run.
K: I have an iron principle Mel -- I can't put anything over on you so
I don't try.
L: Phil is a good man. I hate to lose him. But I think it would be a
good idea for you to talk to him. I think you'll like him because he's a
good man.
K: Good, and then there would be a tie-in with our two shops. And on
this intelligence thing, I have alwyas insisted that everyone be on board on
these things
L: It just takes a little bit to do these things. No one else goes over
there to testify. Helms wouldn't get a dollar. I was on that committee for
17 years. I am used to how these things word. I have had a rapport with these
man and they think I double-crossed them.
K: You mayhave to see Ellender's movies again.
L: Yes, but
K: Iget your point. I just assumed you knew about it.
L: I knew about Schlesinger six months ago. We talked about it, but
then someone from the Bureau of the Budget calls on it to my department
...
I just said none of them can go.
K: I de see your point, and the mistake I made was to assume you were on
top of this
that you were informed of this. It actually doesn't do
anything to dyou.
L: No, but it hurts the Administration. I have been to that luncheon
with Rogers and the Senators.
K: What side is he on?
L: We'll get it worked but, but it was a comedy of errors.
K: You think we could have passed it if we had been on top of it?
K: Sure. If it had been a bill of mine, I would leave town.
K: Yes. It's disgusting.
L: The thing I mentioned to you -- we have special groups that henale
handle this, especially on NRO programs. They said they talked with Helms.
The god-damned shame is I don't think they know how it works.
K: I'm glad you came back in a fighting spirit, and
on withdrawal leaks.
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Secretary Laird
11/9/71 p. 4
L: There won't be any god-damned leaks on the withdrawal rates. But the
thing is the longer we go the easier it is to see what's happeneing.
K: You talked the President out of the draft thing, which was a good
thing to do.
L: These god-damned people won't know where wea are going. I understand a
A1 calèed over here and said everyone was upset about something Sevareid said.
Why don't they read what I said? That god-damned Cornell Study isn't
.
K: That's not what Sevareid said; he said you were pushing for a higher
sithdrawal rate.
L: All youneed to do is read what I said. and every god-damned stop
I made I said the same thing.
K: I tell you, the language you are using to the Assistant to the
President. It's a good thing I'm not at Harvard. Here I go praising you
to Rowland Evans, which I don't need to do because you've got him in your
hip pocket anyway.
L: I dn't know when in the hell you've done that lateży.
K: It's good to kg know you're back Mel -- it's good to talk to you again.
L: Okay Henry.
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Ziegler/Kissinger
9:45 a. m. 11/10/71
Z: Henry.
K: Ron. How did you get the President to do it?
Z: I put your name on the memo.
K: Oh, come on. Seriously, how did you do it?
Z: Just said it would tie in well with the generation of peace theme and
he agreed.
K: Well, congratulations! I was just afraid he would turn it down and
we would be stuck. It couldn't have played better. I saw it on the
TODAY show and CBS. It was beautiful.
Z: Is there any seriousness about the assassination in Vietnam?
K: No.
Z: It doesn't affect us?
K: Not at all.
Z: OK.
K:
Good, Ron.
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Rabin/Kissinger
9:55 - 11/10/71
K:
Good morning, Mr. Ambassador.
R:
Good morning.
K: I was talking to Haig this morning about our conversation yesterday
and he thought, and I agree, that you and I should talk for another
15 minutes before you go off today because this is important and I
am sure you understand the situation. But I just want to make
are
absolutely sure that there KX no loose ends.
R:
Fine, whatever you want.
K:
How about 11:30?
R: All right.
K:
In the Map Room.
R:
That is to say I go through the Diplomatic Entrance.
K: It won't take long.
R: Fine, I will be there.
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Stu Alsop/Kissinger
10:55 a.m. 11/10/71
A: Henry, my God, it is very astonishing to find you on the telephone
first.
K: Yes, I know when I'm dealing with important men.
A: Henry, I will be wanting to write about the President's withdrawal
program from Vietnam and get background from you on this. I presume
Friday would be too early. I wonder if we could make a date for the
early part of next week - either breakfast, lunch or a half hour some
time next week.
K: Oh sure. You will be writing on that next week?
A: I will be writing about that next week for the following week. How about
Monday or Tuesday?
K: Do you have any special time? I have tentative lunches everyday next
week but does it make any difference to you what day?
A: Well, Monday, Tuesday or Wednesday. I write on Thursday.
K: Wednesday I will be out of town.
A: We could always have a half hour in the late afternoon, maybe.
K: Well, how about having a drink with me on Tuesday?
A: Fine. Any time you say?
K: Well, let us say about 6 or 6:30. Are you here this weekend?
A: I will probably be going to the country Saturday.
K: I promised you I would let you know when Miss Mcginnes was coming.
A: Oh, dear, she really does a lot for me.
K: What happens was my office made two different appointments and some
of these guests are from out-of-town.
A: Yes, I understand. I get caught in that myself. See you Tuesday at 30.
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President/Kissinger
10:10 a.m. 8 11/11/71
K:
Hello, Mr. President.
P:
Hi, Henry, how are you?
K:
Mr. President, there are two things I thought you might like to
know. One, Bunker has talked to Thieu about the higher figure
which you discussed with me yesterday and he said that is all
right.
P:
I see. Well, we won't I trust.
K:
I told him to be absolutely quiet about this.
P:
Well, it's not a big thing, but I am not going to let Laird have that
satisfaction.
K:
That's right. Well, I said this is no big thing. Second, Pompidou
is willing to meet with you between the 10th and 14th of December,
but the problem is there is no place to meet. He doesn't want to
come here.
P:
Can we meet in the South of France?
K:
Well, if you go to Europe and not other countries that will be tough.
P:
Well, what other countries would I go to? I don't want to go to Italy.
K:
Luckily, you don't have to worry about Italy. They're having an
election there. You would have to consider Bonn and London.
P:
We could meet in Bonn. I don't think we have to take a tour. I don't
want to do that.
K:
Watson suggested to Pompidou Ireland and Pompidou agreed to that.
P:
Well, we will meet there. Is that Europe? It's pretty rough there
right now.
K:
Well, it's rough on the English.
P:
We'll talk about it. I'll be over there soon.
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Bob Henry/Kissinger
10:25 a. m. - 11/11/71
(Came in late)
H:
Let's see, we have Carol Channing, who is singing right now,
Pat Boone and his family, Bob Hope, Henry Mancini, and
Jonathan Winters. Should be a fun show.
K:
Well, I am planning to come. How long are you planning to be
in town?
H:
I am going back Saturday morning after the show. It's a pretty
tight schedule.
I think Herb Schloesser will be coming too.
K:
Good. Well, I would like to see you. If you would like to come
by here some time, but I guess you are busy now at rehearsals.
H:
The only time I can make it is tomorrow at 10:30.
K:
Well, why don't you come about 10:00. Can you do that? Now I
am always at the call of the President, you understand that, but
if you would like to take that chance.
H:
I would. Your office will clear me?
K:
Well, that's one thing I never know around here. You have about
a 50-50 chance.
H:
Would you advise the President to come too. He told Pat Boone
last night he wouldn't be coming but if you could get him to come
that'd be great.
K:
I'm not a very influential advisor for that sort of thing.
H:
It would be good for him to get a little more culture.
K:
Yes, well, I'll see you tomorrow.
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Senator Symington
11/11/71 a. m.
K: For somebody I like so much you keep going
after me.
S: It's not you; it's the policy. You know that.
K: I know. You XXXX are a good friend and when we are all out of
here you will still be. I'm calling about the intelligence reorganization.
First, you are absolutely right; I don't know why there was no Congres-
sional consultation before. This wasn't done in my shop. My shop was
part of the study
but that is no excuse. What I am going to do is to
ask George Shultz to come up and see you wext week when he gets back in
town to explain the Office of Management point of view. Secondly, the
purpose of this reorganization wasn't to enhance my office, but to give
other members of the committee to state their aims. I can levy require-
ments now on behalf of the President; I don't need a committee to do
that. It, if anything, limits my personally, but the major test of it isn't
what it does to me. My role is marginal; it actually tends to enhance the
role of Helms.
S: Here is where we got off the track. Friday night V it began to
get around. People came to me and asked what was going on. I hadn't
seen anything and I said I didn't know about it. X That's embarrassing
to have to say that, but you know this committee hasn't met once this
year, and that has got to be changed. So I'm awakened in the morning by
an early call from a reporter and I have to say I don't know anything
about it. Then I read the morning paper. I aame to the office. I called
CIA and asked to speak to Helms. He was out of the country. There was
no one there who would talk with me. I got upset about it. I got home
and finally there was a call, and there was a member of the CIA staff
who was kind enough to deliver the White House press release to me at
my house on Saturday afternoon. I said 'what does it mean? He said,
we don't know. Henry, you can't run a railroad kcx like that. By that
time I was getting calls from all over my state.
K: I don't know what Helms told his people, but he was fully
informed, as was the Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board. We ran it
thogu th rough the intelligence community many times. But the members
of the committee should have been informed. There's no excuse for it.
And I'm not finding fault with what you said.
S: I know you well enough to know you wo uldn't have. There's no
one in the Executive Branch I respect more than you. But if these people
there sanit aren't going to tell us wh at is going on, who is going to?
K: I will have Shultz give you a briefing.
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Senator Symington
11/11/71 a.m. p. 2
S: What about my suggestion that Stennis call his committee
together and give it to all of them.
K: Right. Because we ought to try to keep intelligence from being
controversial if we can avoid it.
S: Marchetti (?) said there is steadily increasing pressure
My closest friend was Truman's legal advisor. He left plans which assured
that it couldn't be administered by the military. Then out comes this general
who is a nice guy but as military as they come, who is going to operate
it and Helms to coordinate it, and you've got a committee with the Joint
Chiefs
and they go off to the races.
K: Helms
to maintain control. If Helms is only coordinating
then it's not doing its job. I would complain about that. Some people thought
of moving Helms out of the CIA; I mrged very strongly that he stay.
S: He won't be a figurehead.
in
K: No. We want him to have more of a voice than the military
intelligence.
S: I spent more time with some people on Saturday -- so it wasn't a
jumping off of mine.
K: No, you are not immoderate. These are reasonable concerns of
a serious man. And I'll do what I can t' get a briefing for the committee.
S: And if the committee doesn't want it, then I want it for the Foreign
Relations Committee.
K: They should have it.
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Warren Beatty
(in Virginia,
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11/11/71 a.m.
K: What are your plans?
B: Vague. I think I'm leaving here on Saturday and will be in Los Angeles.
I have to stop in Pittsburgh.
K: There are two possibilities: I'm having drinks with some friends from
Harvard around 6:30 today.
B: At 6:30 I have a slight probem.
K: Or breakfast tomorrow.
B: What time?
K: Probably too early for you, around 8:45. Or maybe tomorrow evening?
B : No, I've got to go to
having dinner with Ethel tomorrow.
Breakfast is fine with me tomorrow.
K: Okay, why don't you come about 8:45?
B: Where do I go?
K: The Northwest gate of the White House on Pennsylvania Avenue,
and they'll let you in I hope. They let in one out of three of my guests.
B: I can imagine. Just ask for you?
K: Yes.
B: Good.
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Senator Fulbright
11/11/71 10:40 a. m.
K: Two things I'm calling you about. You made some comments about
the intelligence reorganization. I agree with you that the committee should
have been briefed. This was a slip-up. It was done mostly in the Office d
Management and Budget, and the Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board was
involved. What I would like to do is when George Shultz comes back X
he is out of town now have him come up and brief you and Senator Syming-
ton. My role has not been enhanced by this at all.
F: It reads that way.
K: I know it does. And you are not unjust in your comments. Now
reports have come to me on behalf of the President. We have got a com-
mittee of all the consumers, State and anyone interested, to establish
borad guidelines. But the test is whether Helms, as his staff and the
boards reconstituted for him can get a hold on it and get an integrated
approach. It's not to increase White House influnece. You didn't make
a big case of it, so I'm not complaining. George Shultz is out of town.
Are you willing to receive him next week to get a run-down on what his
intention was?
F: Sure. Certainly. Glad to.
K: The second reason I'm calling is if you ever feel like having lunch,
breakfast, or a meeting with me alone so I can answer any questions you
might have which are harder to answer in the larger group, I am at your
disposal.
F: Good, thank you. A free lunch. I'll take you up on it.
K: I'll even come to the Hill and xx let you take me.
I
F: When WXX get this foreign aid off my chesk I will be able to. They
have me here from 9:00 in the morning until 8:00 at night. But it's almost
over now; we are on the floor with it right now.
K: I will let you go, but whenever you feel you have the time, let me
know and I'll do it whereær it's most convenient for you.
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Dave Kraslow
11/11/71 10:53 a. m.
HK: They moved their capital to Canton, and I was the first to know it.
It's because I couldn't stand any more Peking duck.
K: I haven't been able to see you for two weeks; you must be up to
your eyeballs.
HK: It's been hectic.
K: We got a report from one of our foriegn correspondents to the
effect that he talked to one of our American China experts, that the ground-
work for the invitation to visit China was well in the works before the
Cambodia invasion and that was aborted by it.
HK: Bullshit.
K: And it didn't get back on track until just recently.
HK: Let me puke first.
K: I said the only thing aborted by the Cambodia thing was the talks in
Warsaw.
HK: That's right. Where did you get it at State?
K: As I said, it was one of our foreign correspondents.
HK: I won't even dignify it with an answer. It's totally, utterly, and
completely wrong. The only thing aborted by Cambodia was the Warsaw talks.
K: And that only temporarily.
HK: That is right. It would be correct to say
as you now look
back on it, moves that culminated in the visit started two years ago. But
the really active part of it started in October, 1970, after Cambodia.
K: Long after.
HK: And if you wanted to say
before that, we were just talking
about how we can conduct a dialogue and even that was a very vague question.
But it was in October of 1970, and no one else knew about it.
K: Are there any events in October 1970 that could be tied to the Nixon trip?
HK: I don't want to
K: Is it known now?
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Dave Kraslow
11/11/71 10:53 a.m. p. 2
HK: No.
K: So it was after the Ceausescu visit.
HK: I don't want to xxx tie to anything, and I recommend that you don't either.
K: I'm not going to. I just want to knock it down.
HK: You can make a very convincing case that the whole process
started in January ? of 1969.
K: Or with the Foreign Affairs afticle in 1967,
HK: That is right. But anything from which the possibility emerged
of a visit would be in October 1970.
K: Okay. I have to see you soon.
NK: Yes, you will Dave.
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Secretary Laird/Mr. Kissinger
3:26 p.m., November 11, 1971
L:
I was up on the Hill and evidently NEWSWEEK is sounding
people out on the basis of the two-month announcement up there.
They are attributing it to you.
K:
That is ;impossible! I have not talked to anybody! I
L:
They are trying to get reactions from Members. I thought
you should know about it. I told the Members this morning that no
decision has been made as of now.
K:
I have never discussed the announcement with anybody by
implication or otherwise.
L:
Well, I thought you should know. So you can get something
to Ron when he is hit.
lds
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Mel Elfin/Kissinger
5:45 p.m. - 11/11/71
(Came in late)
E:
Scali to the effect that we are going around town saying that
we got secret information about Vietnam.
K:
Somebody called me and said, which I can't believe, that you people
were going around the Hill checking out information which State
allegedly got from me about the length and scope of the announcement.
E: Henry, I had asked our guy, Sam Sheffield, on Tuesday to see what
he could find out. He said he talked to Bill Timmons and the best
he can tell it will be Friday or Monday. If there is any person in
this town, Henry, I want to remain in the confidence of it is you.
I spoke to no one. I have not mentioned anything. It was all over
the city that there was a Time party. I didn't even want the fact
that you were in my house to be published.
K: Mel, you have always treated me like a gentleman. I have no reason
to doubt you. I mentioned it to Scali only because it was so absolute ly
.
The withdrawal part was such an insignificant part
of the conversation.
E: Looking back. We asked if there would be a Vietnam announcement.
No answer. Is that because you know but you can't tell us and you
said both. That is all I remember.
K: I think I added that you wouldn't have to redo your cover.
E: Henry called Jerry Warren this morning.
he says look I got a
problem and then before he hangs up he says (Jerry) says I would
hang loose this week. Look, Henry, there was even a question as to
whether we should get an interim memo out and I said no memos even.
K:
Look Mel, I enjoyed that evening
E: We all enjoyed that evening. I just don't want to ruin anything. If
there is, call me. I apologize.
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K:
I know you couldn't play such a stupid game. I asked John if there
was anything I could have said that could be misunderstood.
E:
Look, the word around town is that it will be an announcement instead
of a speech.
K:
Well, I just won't comment.
E:
No, I am not asking. I am just telling you what
K:
Well, Mel, don't worry about it. I trust you.
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President/Kissinger
5:58 p.m. - 11/11/71
K:
Mr. President.
P:
Have you talked to Rogers yet?
K:
I haven't reached him yet, but I will call him right away.
P:
As soon as you have reached him give me a report, but I don't
see any reason for me to go in there and debate the damn thing.
There is nothing to debate. I know what the options are. What
did Resor want to call me for?
K:
I suppose he wants to see if I will
the damn thing fairly.
P:
Well, I have got the 4 months, the 6 months, all the arguments
before me. Tell him I am thinking about the 6 months.
K:
All right.
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Mr. Haldeman/Mr. Kissinger
6:02 p. m., November 11, 1971
H:
You wanted me to call urgently.
K:
I just talked to Mel Elfin. Scali called Elfin and gave him
hell on the basis of the alleged report. Elfin said there is no man
whose confidence they want to keep more. The only things they picked
up were when he called Timmons this morning, Timmons said the
announcement would Friday or Monday. Then when he called Jerry
Warren, he said he couldn't tell him anything but he would stay loose
on the magazine. So Elfin said of course he could put things together.
H:
That's nothing significant.
K:
But nobody said anything about the announcement. If I, as
the Security Advisor, and Haig say we can't say anything, then these
junior officers should be able to keep their mouths shut. Everyone
is feathering their own nests.
H:
Not really.
K:
They are protecting their own version of credibility. The press
will respect them a hell of a lot more for shutting up.
H:
That's very interesting. Where did they get the numbers?
K:
They didn't get numbers. That was a Laird bluff. The
President made an interesting point that Laird didn't know it would be
two months. He was told it would be 3-4 months. Rogers ; has now
come back with a 4-month proposal. They are talking to each other
and trying to scoop each other. But we should brutalize our own
people.
H:
I will. On both of these.
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Secretary Rogers
11/11/71 ca. 6:05pm
K: Haig wrote a memorandum to the President about that suggestion
of yours. The President talked to me and then he went to a group dealing
with the cost of living council when you called him, and he told Bull to
tell me I should fill you in since he will be tied up for a while. He hasn't
really finally come down on it, but if he goes for, he can do it in two two-
monthly things.
R: I don't have any strong feelings on it. It just builds up excitement
each time he does it.
K: The ot er side may be springing some proposal in December.
He has to stay loose to see how to answer them, and with the China thing
coming up it will be perfectly natural.
R: Well, I don't care how you play it. It seems to me more natural
K: No, I mean to make two two-month things, and he may yet go for
four months.
R:
I don't care. It's just PR anyway. Two seems so shart to me.
K: Well, he doesn't want to go to seven.
R: No. The reason to go for four is when the China announcement
comes out, everyone will say that's why he did it, and it doesn't let him
get into a weak position, and when the announcement comes out everyone
will say that's pretty clever.
K: He is impressed with that argument. He is trying to decide
whether to make it two or four. He doesn't want everyone to know what
he is thinking now, and this includes Laird.
R: I'm not pressing one way or the other. I have the feeling that two
twos will put him on a spot at a time he doesn't want to be on one. If he
continues at an excelerated pace for a little longer it WO uld be a good thing
because we are going along so well right aow and it related neatly to the trip.
K: That's a good case. On that argument you sold him yesterday.
It may be that if a wik whole peace offensive starts up
but his
present feeling is to keep it low-key in January. He would make no
reference to any final announcement at any time.
just say announcing
another increment for the next two months. Very low-key.
R: No objection to that; that's fine.
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Secretary Rogers
11/11/71 ca. 6:05 p.m. p. 2
K: I think if he had tomx make the decision now it could go four or
two, but if it goes two he would do it with the attitude of another two then.
And it's basically your approach.
R: Okay. Thank you.
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Fred Brisson
11/11/71 p.m.
K: I won't be able to come down. I'm tied up all day.
B: Not even Sunday, just for the evening?
K: There's just a possibility I can still swing that, but I won't know
till Sunday morning.
B: That's all right. Where we will be sitting I will have someone
else in reserve to use the seats.
K: Oh well, if you can do that
B: If you can come Sunday afternoon some time that will be great and
if you have to back that night you can.
K: Where can I call you?
B: Sunday?
K: Yes.
B: At the Waldorf. When will you call?
K: Before noon.
B: The show starts at 7:00. Supper will be at 9:30 or twenty of ten.
K: I would love to come.
B: Thenwxix will you still bring Nancy?
K: Yes.
B: Then I will just hold the tickets. And I expect to hear from you
Sunday around noon.
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Mr. Kissinger
John J. McCloy
11-11-71; 7:30 p. m.
K: While you are mulling this over -- frankly, I called you before
while I was with the President. We need a strong man who can sit
on the National Security Council on European matters. I tell you
this as a friend -- we need a counter to Connally. We can't throw
away 25 years of what has been built up for treasury reasons.
M: I sensed that.
K: We have state on MBFR, we have Treasury squeezing the Germans
for $50 million and breaking the backs of our closest friends. We
have one thing after another.
M: I can see it. No question of the importance of it all. I appreciate
your calling.
K: I just wanted you to know -- I don't think you will find anyone to
whom I have been indiscreet about our private deliberations in the
White House. But I have to tell you I have been telling the President
for two weeks we are heading for a catastrophe in Europe. We need
to hold our alliances together particularly since we are talking with
the Soviets and he agreed you were the man. I just want you to think
of this. We have a lot of people on our list but we have no other
McCloy.
M: It is flattering but let me mull over it. I have not even told my
wife.
K: I am not asking you for an answer now. I just wanted to give you
a little
M: I appreciate your calling.
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The President/Mr. Kissinger
7:46 p.m., November 11, 1971
P:
Hello, Henry.
K:
Mr. President, only one thing I wanted to ask you. I want to
check with you -- confirmed about the announcement against
the Japanese knowing.
P:
Of course, tell them!
K:
The problem is the time frame.
P:
Tell them now!
K:
There are two ways to do it. One, to do it backchannel by
Connally and the other, tell them through State.
P:
Backchannel through Connally. That's a good thing to build
him up to.
K:
Right, Mr. President.
P:
Fine, Henry, thank you.
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Haldeman/Kissinger
9:40 a.m. - 11/12/71
H:
Has he said anything to you about Congressional notification on this
announcement today?
K:
That it would just come out on the ground that the leaks had gotten
so bad.
H:
Well, that's a fine ground to put it on, but it leaves us out.
Shall we do it an hour ahead of time?
K:
I think we should.
H:
We should at least tell our strong supporters. Maybe even have a
briefing.
K:
Didn't you talk to MacGregor?
H:
I had to tell him we are going to do something today.
K:
Shall we do it at Noon?
H:
Well, I think by all means we should brief.
K:
My instinct is we should because you infuriate people so much when
you don't tell them anything and even if it leaks it can't get on
TV :until this evening.
H:
That's true.
K:
So my instinct is we should do it about 2:30 or 3:00.
H:
I think we should raise it with them that we think we ought or
the best thing would be having a briefing.
K:
Or just call around and just explain.
H:
Can you write out an explanation that MacGregor and Timmons could
use?
K:
Of course, I will be glad: to do it but I think it can be done without
it. We can write about a page.
H:
We could get a rationale of why. What do we want them to say and
what basis will we give them for saying it.
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K:
I will get it done this morning and we will have it by 1:00
H:
By 3:00 they should move fast and get all our friends lined up
on the Hill.
K:
Well, we can use a backgrounder when we see what the reaction is
but that won't be until next week.
H:
That depends on the President's questioning.
K:
Yes.
H:
There is no one like governors that we need to notify?
K:
Well, maybe Rockefeller and Reagan we should and I will do those.
Rockefeller is coming down today so we can reach him then.
H:
What about the Cabinet?
K:
I don't think it's that EXXXXXXXXXXX momentous a thing.
H:
Yes, but if one of those guys is out of town and doesn't know what
his stuff is.
K:
Who handles it?
H:
Butterfield.
K:
I think we should do all of that.
H:
Cabinet and Congress.
K:
That's about it.
H:
We can't do the Cabinet until 3:00 either. And we'll use the same
talking paper.
K:
Yes, that ought to be a brief paper, one page.
H:
OK, Henry.
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Clark Mollenhoff/Mr. Kissinger
11:00 m., November 12, 1971
M:
Are you aware of any problem in connection with racial
discrimination in connection with the Mace (?) nomination to Sierra
Leone?
K:
I'm not familiar with it.
M:
A suit has been filed in the Federal District Court in which
a couple of Filipino employees have alleged racial discrimination
involving Mace. His nomination is presently up before the Senate
Foreign Relations Committee. You may be aware of the general
controversy around this particular nomination.
K:
Frankly, I'm not.
M:
There is an ellegation generally of a lack of due process in
grievance procedures up there. It has gone in before the Committee
and inaccurate, false testimony was given. The nomination has been
passed over and is currently in the process of being investigated by
the Committee staff.
K:
I honestly don't know anything about that.
M:
I am told that the Sierra Leone Ambassador has had this
called to his attention. I know he knows about the situation because I
had a conversation with him. He declines, as he should, to comment
relative to whether he has served notice on the Secretary of State
or the State Department on this matter. They might find Mace to be
personna non grata. This gets to be a serious problem involving an
African country.
K:
I don't know enough about it.
M:
I was calling to find out if you knew about it and to let you know
there is a problem. You can get back with your office there to find
out why you don't know about it.
K:
You can bet I will do that.
M:
I haven't seen you since you got back from Peking. I'm anxious
to sit down and chat about it.
K:
Yes, it's been a long time. Let's do that sometime.
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President/Kissinger
11/12/71 - 1:32 p.m.
(Came in late)
P:
The letter says - Why are you unwilling to set a fixed withdrawal
date when Hanoi suggests that they are willing to do so? - The
answer to that is that they have not said that.
K:
That's right, they have not said that. They have been masters in
making ambiguous statements all of which evaporate when you test
them. My experience has been that when I take a very aggressive
line on them they have backed off.
P:
That is what I wanted to find out. They never said that.
K:
Well, they have implied it, but when you put them to the test it it
not that way.
P:
All right. That's all I wanted to know.
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The President/Mr. Kissinger
10:38 a. m. , November 13, 1971
K:
Mr. President.
P:
Henry, how did you get along at the Ford Theater last night?
K:
It was very nice.
P:
Julie said she saw you. She said most of the jokes were on
our side.
K:
They were very friendly. Of course, Bob Hope was making the
jokes. Even the others -- which weren't against us were sort of
loving jokes. I thought your announcement
P:
I was going to ask you about that. How did it go?
K:
Mr. President, it could not have been better. I read in the
newspapers and on TV
P:
It has confused the hell out of them, hasn't it?
K:
Murray Marder wrote a perceptive piece. He said -- do you
want me to get it?
P:
Yes. We haven't gotten the POST up here yet.
K:
[read excerpts from the Marder column to the President]
P:
Good. And in the TIMES -- which is far more important
had a chart which showed it going up and then going way down. Now
the thing that is interesting to me is the two-month thing has another
advantage. Making more announcements keeps reminding people that
the other side got us in and we are getting out. Rembmber, Acheson
wasn't so dumb he said keep telling them.
K:
I think it worked beautifully.
P:
Certainly from the standpoint, it worked beautifully. I think
we have really put it to the North Vietnamese now. I think one thing
we did get in was when I said, in the two-month period
K:
was the rate of infiltration.
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P:
That puts it right to them. If the infiltration comes up, we
will watch it. We will bomb them or change the rate of withdrawal.
K:
Marder also points that out.
P:
He does?
K:
In addition to the impact on negotiations, it has an impact on
your public image. Even on this, where we are set in our course,
you have done the unexpected once again. You have never done the
conventional in any announcement. You have done it in a XXXX complex
way which enhances the image of you as a thoughtful man with long-range
plans. That also helps among the sophisticates. It gives some confidence
to the people. I spoke last evening to the Executive Vice President of
NBC, Herb Schlosser, who is in charge of all programming and who
actually had been on our side all along. He said Vietnam now, even
among his rabid friends, is a moot point. They all think you know what
you are doing.
P:
Good.
K:
And Mel Laird -- I saw him last night. KXXXXXXXXK He said,
"God damn it; he screwed me again. 11 But he said it was a good move.
P:
He thought he would out-guess us, and didn't make it. The
best thing was to go to 45, 000.
K:
That's right.
P:
Now he can't squeal about a thing.
K:
We have intercepts that Hanoi is assessing its military situation
pretty poorly. We have negotiations about as well set as we can.
P:
What about the situation in India/Pakistan? Should anything be
done? I couldn't be any more in agreement not to involve them in
the UN with the Chinese. But we musn't miss any bets.
K:
We had both Ambassadors in Wednesday, and I had the Indian
Ambassador in on X Thursday. There isn't more we can do.
P:
What could the UN do?
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K:
If we go into the UN now, it is a trap. The Indians have more
support there than we. And the State Department has no intention of
supporting Pakistan in the UN.
P:
What about China in the Security Council?
K:
I think we should find out what the Chinese are thinking. I think
we should wait until the 20th.
P:
After you have discussed it with the Ambassador. The Indians
have most of the UN locked, of course.
K:
They have the Security Council votes locked. We don't want
to be trapped into voting with the Soviet Union.
P:
What Rogers' argument that India doesn't want to go to the UN?
K:
I'm not sure they don't want to go. They don't want UN observers.
We should ask both sides to stop their military operations.
P:
You think just let it wait. If they fight, they fight. India will
roll over them pretty fast?
K:
We have asked Yahya this weekend to get as much on the
political side as he can. The Pakistan Foreign Secretary is arriving
tomorrow he claims to have a message from Peking. I think we
should look at all this before we move. I don't think there will be a
war next week. Sisco's great trick is to always say there is a speech.
That is how he screwed up the Middle East.
P:
The Foreign Secretary's message doesn't deal with our trip?
K:
No; with his problem. He was in Peking. They wouldn't give
the Pakistanis a message for us.
P:
I hope we get the Cambodian answer out.
K:
Right. I understand CBS ran 6 minutes of your press conference.
P:
The Cambodian answer would be the real one.
K:
We should get that one out.
P:
Okay.
K:
Right, Mr. President. Congratulations.
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Mr. Haldeman
11/13/71: 11:10 a.m.
H: He just wondered if possibly worked the best solution with Pompidou
when he gave us the 11th, 12th or 13th.
K: That has to be.
H: Then Heath on the 20th or 21st.
K: He doasn't even know about it yet. (Heath)
H: I know. Then Brandt the 27th or 28th in Florida. Otherwise we are
going to get into the horrendous problem of getting past the first week in
January.
K: I will do my best and have an answer by the middle of the week.
H: OK.
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Mr. Kissinger/President Johnson
11:15 m., November 13, 1971
J:
Henry?
K:
I heard you were in Washington and wanted to ask you, first,
how k long you would be staying and, secondly, whether as long as
you were here you wanted me to drop by and give you a rundown.
J:
I don't want to intrude and I wouldn't want to add to your
burdens.
K:
You couldn't add to my burdens.
J:
I would love to see you. I am going down to my daughter's
in 25 minutes. I want you to meet that young man; he is going to
the University of Virginia law school. You don't have to be partisan;
in fact, I x think he's a damn Republican.
K:
I'm not necessarily Republican.
J:
He's a great fellow. He's graduating this next year.
K:
Will you come back from there?
J:
I think tonight or early in the morning. I'm going to see the
President before the services briefly and then attend the services
at the White House
MX
tomorrow. Then I'm going to New York tomorrow
afternoon.
K:
Would you like me to come by in the morning?
J:
I think that would be fine. I think it would be fine to say 10:00 a. m.
K:
Fine, Mr. President.
J:
I will let you know as soon as I consult higher authority -- my wife.
I will try to come back tonight but, if not, I will come back in time to see
you at 10:00 tomorrow. Unless I call you back, it is firm.
K:
Unless I hear from you, I will drop by Blair House at 10:00.
J:
We will do it at 10:00 tomorrow morning. Thank you so very much.
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The President
11/13/71; 11:15 a. m.
P: Bob said you had a deal with Pompidou.
K: Yes.
P: Did the Ambassador get it?
K: We are going to start working with it Monday. He doesn't want to
meet on a base. He wants to meet in a hotel. We will go to the Portuguese
and ask it as a favor.
P: I want to stick it to those God damn Africans.
K: I had a talk with Cromer yesterday. Said we are moving independently.
It would probably be embarrassing for the President. He would be the first
to see the President SO he doesn't look like a bad European. He will probably
see Pompidou first.
P: Did you tell him Bermuda?
K: I left it loose. Said Bermuda looks like a good place.
P: On the Brandt thing. How about doing it the week after Christmas? I will
be in Florida and it would be a pleasant time - between 26 December and 2
January. Why don't you propose that to him. Push it more in line of thing
you want - make it more personal visit.
K: He may have vacation plans. But I will go back to him.
P: What would be another time?
K: The 10th of January.
P: When does Mrs. Nixon get back?
K: The 9th.
P: I will be right in the middle of the State of the Union. Try the week after
Christmas.
K: I will do that - through Rush.
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P: Call Rush on the horn. I think it would be useful to have a dinner for
him in Miami. Do you think that wouldn't bother you, would it? For about
200 people.
K: That would be great. When do you want to see Heath?
P: Right after Pompidou. In Bermuda any time.
K: Around the 20th of December?
P: Excellent. I am going to not do the Christmas parties this year. I will
get others to do them. That would be a good time to see Heath.
K: Get it all locked up in a week and announce them all together.
P: I could see Heath the week after Christmas.
K: And keep Brandt on the 10th.
P: There is a possibility.
K: Will try to get Brandt the 26th or 27th, with Heath before, or Brandt
on the 10th with Heath the 26th or 27th. Or maybe Brandt the 26th or 27th
and Heath on the 10th.
P: Set it up any way you want.
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Conversation with the President
11/14/71 11:10
HAK:
Good Morning, Mr. President.
PRESIDENT:
Hello, Henry.
HAK:
I just wanted to tell you I briefed Johnson for an hour today.
PRESIDENT:
Good.
HAK:
I know he is on the way to see you. He seemed content. He is upset on
the international economic question. He thinks we are oproceeding too
brutally. He is making a speech Tuesday in which he is taking an oblique
attack on our tactics.
PRESIDENT:
Connally is just back so it is an interesting time for him to do it. I am
going to see Connally later today so I will see what he has to report.
HAK:
I will be meeting with him before the end of Tuesday.
PRESIDENT:
Tuesday.
HAK:
Tomorrow or Tuesday. Not before you meet him.
PRESIDENT:
On infiltration those Bastards really had to hump it. Now they are saying
what we have known all the time.
HAK:
I saw the article in the Times. They are playing it just the way you want it.
It is not -- now if you do crack at them everyone knows that you have warned
them.
PRESIDENT:
And that we are doing it for the purpose of protecting our troop withdrawal.
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"ocrText": "NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS PROJECT\nDOCUMENT CONTROL RECORD\nITEM REMOVED FROM THIS FILE FOLDER\nSANITIZED.\nA RESTRICTED DOCUMENT OR CASE FILE HAS BEEN REMOVED FROM\nTHIS FILE FOLDER. FOR A DESCRIPTION OF THE ITEM REMOVED\nAND THE REASON FOR ITS REMOVAL, CONSULT DOCUMENT ENTRY\nNUMBER\n/\nON EITHER THE DOCUMENT WITHDRAWAL RECORD\n(GSA FORM 7292 OR NA FORM 1421) OR NARA WITHDRAWAL SHEET\n(GSA FORM 7122) LOCATED IN THE FRONT OF THIS FILE FOLDER.\nA sanitized copy substituted for an original item which\nContains information restricted under the Privacy Act.\nNATIONAL ARCHIVES AND RECORDS ADMINISTRATION\nNLN FORM 101 (revised 6-85)\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nSecretary Laird\n11/9/71 2:35pm\nK: Did you have a good trip?\nL: Yes, a very good trip. It went along all right. Most encouraging.\nK: I am delighted.\nL: Abe and Bunker are getting along well. J spent four hours with Thieu.\nHe brought in the whole damn cabinet for one meeting. They are all very con-\ncerned about economic aid package, not the military aid package because they\nknow that's in our bill. I quieted them down a bit though.\nK: Good. What I called you about is this.\nSANITIZED\nK: That's right.\nL: He is going to join my old friend, Justin\nK: The President is calling; I'll call you back.\n11/9/71 2:45pm\nL: Yes.\nK: This was just to impress you.\nL: Yes I know. But I understand Smith is going to take Bill Brimm's\nand he went out and joined Justin. He moved up to Vice President.\nK: Really? I just hope you will think of me when I need a job.\nL: I take care of everybody.\nK: I'll get you Gloria Steinem's telephone number.\nL: The hell with that; I'd want more than that.\nK: There are lots of people who would get me a job just to get XEXX\nme out of here.\nL: I don't feel that way, but you did pull a trick on me I see.\nK: What trick?\nL: You pulled a trick on me -- this god-damned intelligence business.\nK: This was Shultz; I thought you knew.\nX\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nSecretary Laird\n11/9/71 p. 2\nL: Never. I don't know what makes people think Helms has anything to do\nwith this. I have to support\nK: You ought to raise hell with Shultz.\nL: I'm not going to raise hell with anybody; I'm just not going to\ncooperate.\nK: Come on Mel.\nL: God-damn right I'm not.\nK: What gto you mean you're not going to cooperate?\nL: I just won't. My committee up there\nYou have to\nin the Hoase and the Senate. They weren't even told. They're so god-damned\nmad. I'm up there trying to straighten it out, and how they can be so xxxxpe\nstupid I don't under. I'm not letting them know I didn't know.\nK: Well, I am not the Director of the Office of Management.\nK: You can't do things they way in this town.\nK: I thought this had all been discussed with the interested agencies,\nL: No.\nK: I don't give a damn from my own point of view.\nL: That isn't the point. On something that affects my agency, if you\nare not my point of contact in the White House who can I rely on?\nK: I thought you knew.\nL: Hell no.\nK: I thought Smith and Schlesinger sat down with your people\nL: Hell no. I said 'you hangk have got to give me at least a week.'\nI spent 15 days morning and afternoon testifying on this program. They are\nso gad-damned mad it's pathetic.\nK: I call you up to ask you something and then I get you upset. Are\nyou calm enough to listen to a question?\nL: I know what you are going to talk to me abput.\nK: What am I going to talk about?\nI: Transferring Phil over.\nK: You have got my room bugged. Can I talk to him?\nL: That's all right. But Haig already talked to him, and so did Smith.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nSecretary Laird\n11/9/71 p. 3\nK: But then I turned that off.\nL: I'll tell you something Henry. These people who work for me always\ntell me who talks to whom, because that's the kind of place I run.\nK: I have an iron principle Mel -- I can't put anything over on you so\nI don't try.\nL: Phil is a good man. I hate to lose him. But I think it would be a\ngood idea for you to talk to him. I think you'll like him because he's a\ngood man.\nK: Good, and then there would be a tie-in with our two shops. And on\nthis intelligence thing, I have alwyas insisted that everyone be on board on\nthese things\nL: It just takes a little bit to do these things. No one else goes over\nthere to testify. Helms wouldn't get a dollar. I was on that committee for\n17 years. I am used to how these things word. I have had a rapport with these\nman and they think I double-crossed them.\nK: You mayhave to see Ellender's movies again.\nL: Yes, but\nK: Iget your point. I just assumed you knew about it.\nL: I knew about Schlesinger six months ago. We talked about it, but\nthen someone from the Bureau of the Budget calls on it to my department\n...\nI just said none of them can go.\nK: I de see your point, and the mistake I made was to assume you were on\ntop of this\nthat you were informed of this. It actually doesn't do\nanything to dyou.\nL: No, but it hurts the Administration. I have been to that luncheon\nwith Rogers and the Senators.\nK: What side is he on?\nL: We'll get it worked but, but it was a comedy of errors.\nK: You think we could have passed it if we had been on top of it?\nK: Sure. If it had been a bill of mine, I would leave town.\nK: Yes. It's disgusting.\nL: The thing I mentioned to you -- we have special groups that henale\nhandle this, especially on NRO programs. They said they talked with Helms.\nThe god-damned shame is I don't think they know how it works.\nK: I'm glad you came back in a fighting spirit, and\non withdrawal leaks.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nSecretary Laird\n11/9/71 p. 4\nL: There won't be any god-damned leaks on the withdrawal rates. But the\nthing is the longer we go the easier it is to see what's happeneing.\nK: You talked the President out of the draft thing, which was a good\nthing to do.\nL: These god-damned people won't know where wea are going. I understand a\nA1 calèed over here and said everyone was upset about something Sevareid said.\nWhy don't they read what I said? That god-damned Cornell Study isn't\n.\nK: That's not what Sevareid said; he said you were pushing for a higher\nsithdrawal rate.\nL: All youneed to do is read what I said. and every god-damned stop\nI made I said the same thing.\nK: I tell you, the language you are using to the Assistant to the\nPresident. It's a good thing I'm not at Harvard. Here I go praising you\nto Rowland Evans, which I don't need to do because you've got him in your\nhip pocket anyway.\nL: I dn't know when in the hell you've done that lateży.\nK: It's good to kg know you're back Mel -- it's good to talk to you again.\nL: Okay Henry.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nZiegler/Kissinger\n9:45 a. m. 11/10/71\nZ: Henry.\nK: Ron. How did you get the President to do it?\nZ: I put your name on the memo.\nK: Oh, come on. Seriously, how did you do it?\nZ: Just said it would tie in well with the generation of peace theme and\nhe agreed.\nK: Well, congratulations! I was just afraid he would turn it down and\nwe would be stuck. It couldn't have played better. I saw it on the\nTODAY show and CBS. It was beautiful.\nZ: Is there any seriousness about the assassination in Vietnam?\nK: No.\nZ: It doesn't affect us?\nK: Not at all.\nZ: OK.\nK:\nGood, Ron.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nRabin/Kissinger\n9:55 - 11/10/71\nK:\nGood morning, Mr. Ambassador.\nR:\nGood morning.\nK: I was talking to Haig this morning about our conversation yesterday\nand he thought, and I agree, that you and I should talk for another\n15 minutes before you go off today because this is important and I\nam sure you understand the situation. But I just want to make\nare\nabsolutely sure that there KX no loose ends.\nR:\nFine, whatever you want.\nK:\nHow about 11:30?\nR: All right.\nK:\nIn the Map Room.\nR:\nThat is to say I go through the Diplomatic Entrance.\nK: It won't take long.\nR: Fine, I will be there.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nStu Alsop/Kissinger\n10:55 a.m. 11/10/71\nA: Henry, my God, it is very astonishing to find you on the telephone\nfirst.\nK: Yes, I know when I'm dealing with important men.\nA: Henry, I will be wanting to write about the President's withdrawal\nprogram from Vietnam and get background from you on this. I presume\nFriday would be too early. I wonder if we could make a date for the\nearly part of next week - either breakfast, lunch or a half hour some\ntime next week.\nK: Oh sure. You will be writing on that next week?\nA: I will be writing about that next week for the following week. How about\nMonday or Tuesday?\nK: Do you have any special time? I have tentative lunches everyday next\nweek but does it make any difference to you what day?\nA: Well, Monday, Tuesday or Wednesday. I write on Thursday.\nK: Wednesday I will be out of town.\nA: We could always have a half hour in the late afternoon, maybe.\nK: Well, how about having a drink with me on Tuesday?\nA: Fine. Any time you say?\nK: Well, let us say about 6 or 6:30. Are you here this weekend?\nA: I will probably be going to the country Saturday.\nK: I promised you I would let you know when Miss Mcginnes was coming.\nA: Oh, dear, she really does a lot for me.\nK: What happens was my office made two different appointments and some\nof these guests are from out-of-town.\nA: Yes, I understand. I get caught in that myself. See you Tuesday at 30.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nPresident/Kissinger\n10:10 a.m. 8 11/11/71\nK:\nHello, Mr. President.\nP:\nHi, Henry, how are you?\nK:\nMr. President, there are two things I thought you might like to\nknow. One, Bunker has talked to Thieu about the higher figure\nwhich you discussed with me yesterday and he said that is all\nright.\nP:\nI see. Well, we won't I trust.\nK:\nI told him to be absolutely quiet about this.\nP:\nWell, it's not a big thing, but I am not going to let Laird have that\nsatisfaction.\nK:\nThat's right. Well, I said this is no big thing. Second, Pompidou\nis willing to meet with you between the 10th and 14th of December,\nbut the problem is there is no place to meet. He doesn't want to\ncome here.\nP:\nCan we meet in the South of France?\nK:\nWell, if you go to Europe and not other countries that will be tough.\nP:\nWell, what other countries would I go to? I don't want to go to Italy.\nK:\nLuckily, you don't have to worry about Italy. They're having an\nelection there. You would have to consider Bonn and London.\nP:\nWe could meet in Bonn. I don't think we have to take a tour. I don't\nwant to do that.\nK:\nWatson suggested to Pompidou Ireland and Pompidou agreed to that.\nP:\nWell, we will meet there. Is that Europe? It's pretty rough there\nright now.\nK:\nWell, it's rough on the English.\nP:\nWe'll talk about it. I'll be over there soon.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nBob Henry/Kissinger\n10:25 a. m. - 11/11/71\n(Came in late)\nH:\nLet's see, we have Carol Channing, who is singing right now,\nPat Boone and his family, Bob Hope, Henry Mancini, and\nJonathan Winters. Should be a fun show.\nK:\nWell, I am planning to come. How long are you planning to be\nin town?\nH:\nI am going back Saturday morning after the show. It's a pretty\ntight schedule.\nI think Herb Schloesser will be coming too.\nK:\nGood. Well, I would like to see you. If you would like to come\nby here some time, but I guess you are busy now at rehearsals.\nH:\nThe only time I can make it is tomorrow at 10:30.\nK:\nWell, why don't you come about 10:00. Can you do that? Now I\nam always at the call of the President, you understand that, but\nif you would like to take that chance.\nH:\nI would. Your office will clear me?\nK:\nWell, that's one thing I never know around here. You have about\na 50-50 chance.\nH:\nWould you advise the President to come too. He told Pat Boone\nlast night he wouldn't be coming but if you could get him to come\nthat'd be great.\nK:\nI'm not a very influential advisor for that sort of thing.\nH:\nIt would be good for him to get a little more culture.\nK:\nYes, well, I'll see you tomorrow.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nSenator Symington\n11/11/71 a. m.\nK: For somebody I like so much you keep going\nafter me.\nS: It's not you; it's the policy. You know that.\nK: I know. You XXXX are a good friend and when we are all out of\nhere you will still be. I'm calling about the intelligence reorganization.\nFirst, you are absolutely right; I don't know why there was no Congres-\nsional consultation before. This wasn't done in my shop. My shop was\npart of the study\nbut that is no excuse. What I am going to do is to\nask George Shultz to come up and see you wext week when he gets back in\ntown to explain the Office of Management point of view. Secondly, the\npurpose of this reorganization wasn't to enhance my office, but to give\nother members of the committee to state their aims. I can levy require-\nments now on behalf of the President; I don't need a committee to do\nthat. It, if anything, limits my personally, but the major test of it isn't\nwhat it does to me. My role is marginal; it actually tends to enhance the\nrole of Helms.\nS: Here is where we got off the track. Friday night V it began to\nget around. People came to me and asked what was going on. I hadn't\nseen anything and I said I didn't know about it. X That's embarrassing\nto have to say that, but you know this committee hasn't met once this\nyear, and that has got to be changed. So I'm awakened in the morning by\nan early call from a reporter and I have to say I don't know anything\nabout it. Then I read the morning paper. I aame to the office. I called\nCIA and asked to speak to Helms. He was out of the country. There was\nno one there who would talk with me. I got upset about it. I got home\nand finally there was a call, and there was a member of the CIA staff\nwho was kind enough to deliver the White House press release to me at\nmy house on Saturday afternoon. I said 'what does it mean? He said,\nwe don't know. Henry, you can't run a railroad kcx like that. By that\ntime I was getting calls from all over my state.\nK: I don't know what Helms told his people, but he was fully\ninformed, as was the Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board. We ran it\nthogu th rough the intelligence community many times. But the members\nof the committee should have been informed. There's no excuse for it.\nAnd I'm not finding fault with what you said.\nS: I know you well enough to know you wo uldn't have. There's no\none in the Executive Branch I respect more than you. But if these people\nthere sanit aren't going to tell us wh at is going on, who is going to?\nK: I will have Shultz give you a briefing.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nSenator Symington\n11/11/71 a.m. p. 2\nS: What about my suggestion that Stennis call his committee\ntogether and give it to all of them.\nK: Right. Because we ought to try to keep intelligence from being\ncontroversial if we can avoid it.\nS: Marchetti (?) said there is steadily increasing pressure\nMy closest friend was Truman's legal advisor. He left plans which assured\nthat it couldn't be administered by the military. Then out comes this general\nwho is a nice guy but as military as they come, who is going to operate\nit and Helms to coordinate it, and you've got a committee with the Joint\nChiefs\nand they go off to the races.\nK: Helms\nto maintain control. If Helms is only coordinating\nthen it's not doing its job. I would complain about that. Some people thought\nof moving Helms out of the CIA; I mrged very strongly that he stay.\nS: He won't be a figurehead.\nin\nK: No. We want him to have more of a voice than the military\nintelligence.\nS: I spent more time with some people on Saturday -- so it wasn't a\njumping off of mine.\nK: No, you are not immoderate. These are reasonable concerns of\na serious man. And I'll do what I can t' get a briefing for the committee.\nS: And if the committee doesn't want it, then I want it for the Foreign\nRelations Committee.\nK: They should have it.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nNIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS PROJECT\nDOCUMENT CONTROL RECORD\nITEM REMOVED FROM THIS FILE FOLDER\nSANITIZED\nA RESTRICTED DOCUMENT OR CASE FILE HAS BEEN REMOVED FROM\nTHIS FILE FOLDER. FOR A DESCRIPTION OF THE ITEM REMOVED\nAND THE REASON FOR ITS REMOVAL, CONSULT DOCUMENT ENTRY\nNUMBER\n2\nON EITHER THE DOCUMENT WITHDRAWAL RECORD\n(GSA FORM 7292 OR NA FORM 1421) OR NARA WITHDRAWAL SHEET\n(GSA FORM 7122) LOCATED IN THE FRONT OF THIS FILE FOLDER.\nA sanitized copy substituted for an original item which\nContains information restricted under the Privacy Act.\nNATIONAL ARCHIVES AND RECORDS ADMINISTRATION\nNLN FORM 101 (revised 6-85)\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nWarren Beatty\n(in Virginia,\nSANITIZED\n11/11/71 a.m.\nK: What are your plans?\nB: Vague. I think I'm leaving here on Saturday and will be in Los Angeles.\nI have to stop in Pittsburgh.\nK: There are two possibilities: I'm having drinks with some friends from\nHarvard around 6:30 today.\nB: At 6:30 I have a slight probem.\nK: Or breakfast tomorrow.\nB: What time?\nK: Probably too early for you, around 8:45. Or maybe tomorrow evening?\nB : No, I've got to go to\nhaving dinner with Ethel tomorrow.\nBreakfast is fine with me tomorrow.\nK: Okay, why don't you come about 8:45?\nB: Where do I go?\nK: The Northwest gate of the White House on Pennsylvania Avenue,\nand they'll let you in I hope. They let in one out of three of my guests.\nB: I can imagine. Just ask for you?\nK: Yes.\nB: Good.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nSenator Fulbright\n11/11/71 10:40 a. m.\nK: Two things I'm calling you about. You made some comments about\nthe intelligence reorganization. I agree with you that the committee should\nhave been briefed. This was a slip-up. It was done mostly in the Office d\nManagement and Budget, and the Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board was\ninvolved. What I would like to do is when George Shultz comes back X\nhe is out of town now have him come up and brief you and Senator Syming-\nton. My role has not been enhanced by this at all.\nF: It reads that way.\nK: I know it does. And you are not unjust in your comments. Now\nreports have come to me on behalf of the President. We have got a com-\nmittee of all the consumers, State and anyone interested, to establish\nborad guidelines. But the test is whether Helms, as his staff and the\nboards reconstituted for him can get a hold on it and get an integrated\napproach. It's not to increase White House influnece. You didn't make\na big case of it, so I'm not complaining. George Shultz is out of town.\nAre you willing to receive him next week to get a run-down on what his\nintention was?\nF: Sure. Certainly. Glad to.\nK: The second reason I'm calling is if you ever feel like having lunch,\nbreakfast, or a meeting with me alone so I can answer any questions you\nmight have which are harder to answer in the larger group, I am at your\ndisposal.\nF: Good, thank you. A free lunch. I'll take you up on it.\nK: I'll even come to the Hill and xx let you take me.\nI\nF: When WXX get this foreign aid off my chesk I will be able to. They\nhave me here from 9:00 in the morning until 8:00 at night. But it's almost\nover now; we are on the floor with it right now.\nK: I will let you go, but whenever you feel you have the time, let me\nknow and I'll do it whereær it's most convenient for you.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nDave Kraslow\n11/11/71 10:53 a. m.\nHK: They moved their capital to Canton, and I was the first to know it.\nIt's because I couldn't stand any more Peking duck.\nK: I haven't been able to see you for two weeks; you must be up to\nyour eyeballs.\nHK: It's been hectic.\nK: We got a report from one of our foriegn correspondents to the\neffect that he talked to one of our American China experts, that the ground-\nwork for the invitation to visit China was well in the works before the\nCambodia invasion and that was aborted by it.\nHK: Bullshit.\nK: And it didn't get back on track until just recently.\nHK: Let me puke first.\nK: I said the only thing aborted by the Cambodia thing was the talks in\nWarsaw.\nHK: That's right. Where did you get it at State?\nK: As I said, it was one of our foreign correspondents.\nHK: I won't even dignify it with an answer. It's totally, utterly, and\ncompletely wrong. The only thing aborted by Cambodia was the Warsaw talks.\nK: And that only temporarily.\nHK: That is right. It would be correct to say\nas you now look\nback on it, moves that culminated in the visit started two years ago. But\nthe really active part of it started in October, 1970, after Cambodia.\nK: Long after.\nHK: And if you wanted to say\nbefore that, we were just talking\nabout how we can conduct a dialogue and even that was a very vague question.\nBut it was in October of 1970, and no one else knew about it.\nK: Are there any events in October 1970 that could be tied to the Nixon trip?\nHK: I don't want to\nK: Is it known now?\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nDave Kraslow\n11/11/71 10:53 a.m. p. 2\nHK: No.\nK: So it was after the Ceausescu visit.\nHK: I don't want to xxx tie to anything, and I recommend that you don't either.\nK: I'm not going to. I just want to knock it down.\nHK: You can make a very convincing case that the whole process\nstarted in January ? of 1969.\nK: Or with the Foreign Affairs afticle in 1967,\nHK: That is right. But anything from which the possibility emerged\nof a visit would be in October 1970.\nK: Okay. I have to see you soon.\nNK: Yes, you will Dave.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nSecretary Laird/Mr. Kissinger\n3:26 p.m., November 11, 1971\nL:\nI was up on the Hill and evidently NEWSWEEK is sounding\npeople out on the basis of the two-month announcement up there.\nThey are attributing it to you.\nK:\nThat is ;impossible! I have not talked to anybody! I\nL:\nThey are trying to get reactions from Members. I thought\nyou should know about it. I told the Members this morning that no\ndecision has been made as of now.\nK:\nI have never discussed the announcement with anybody by\nimplication or otherwise.\nL:\nWell, I thought you should know. So you can get something\nto Ron when he is hit.\nlds\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nMel Elfin/Kissinger\n5:45 p.m. - 11/11/71\n(Came in late)\nE:\nScali to the effect that we are going around town saying that\nwe got secret information about Vietnam.\nK:\nSomebody called me and said, which I can't believe, that you people\nwere going around the Hill checking out information which State\nallegedly got from me about the length and scope of the announcement.\nE: Henry, I had asked our guy, Sam Sheffield, on Tuesday to see what\nhe could find out. He said he talked to Bill Timmons and the best\nhe can tell it will be Friday or Monday. If there is any person in\nthis town, Henry, I want to remain in the confidence of it is you.\nI spoke to no one. I have not mentioned anything. It was all over\nthe city that there was a Time party. I didn't even want the fact\nthat you were in my house to be published.\nK: Mel, you have always treated me like a gentleman. I have no reason\nto doubt you. I mentioned it to Scali only because it was so absolute ly\n.\nThe withdrawal part was such an insignificant part\nof the conversation.\nE: Looking back. We asked if there would be a Vietnam announcement.\nNo answer. Is that because you know but you can't tell us and you\nsaid both. That is all I remember.\nK: I think I added that you wouldn't have to redo your cover.\nE: Henry called Jerry Warren this morning.\nhe says look I got a\nproblem and then before he hangs up he says (Jerry) says I would\nhang loose this week. Look, Henry, there was even a question as to\nwhether we should get an interim memo out and I said no memos even.\nK:\nLook Mel, I enjoyed that evening\nE: We all enjoyed that evening. I just don't want to ruin anything. If\nthere is, call me. I apologize.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n2\nK:\nI know you couldn't play such a stupid game. I asked John if there\nwas anything I could have said that could be misunderstood.\nE:\nLook, the word around town is that it will be an announcement instead\nof a speech.\nK:\nWell, I just won't comment.\nE:\nNo, I am not asking. I am just telling you what\nK:\nWell, Mel, don't worry about it. I trust you.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nPresident/Kissinger\n5:58 p.m. - 11/11/71\nK:\nMr. President.\nP:\nHave you talked to Rogers yet?\nK:\nI haven't reached him yet, but I will call him right away.\nP:\nAs soon as you have reached him give me a report, but I don't\nsee any reason for me to go in there and debate the damn thing.\nThere is nothing to debate. I know what the options are. What\ndid Resor want to call me for?\nK:\nI suppose he wants to see if I will\nthe damn thing fairly.\nP:\nWell, I have got the 4 months, the 6 months, all the arguments\nbefore me. Tell him I am thinking about the 6 months.\nK:\nAll right.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nMr. Haldeman/Mr. Kissinger\n6:02 p. m., November 11, 1971\nH:\nYou wanted me to call urgently.\nK:\nI just talked to Mel Elfin. Scali called Elfin and gave him\nhell on the basis of the alleged report. Elfin said there is no man\nwhose confidence they want to keep more. The only things they picked\nup were when he called Timmons this morning, Timmons said the\nannouncement would Friday or Monday. Then when he called Jerry\nWarren, he said he couldn't tell him anything but he would stay loose\non the magazine. So Elfin said of course he could put things together.\nH:\nThat's nothing significant.\nK:\nBut nobody said anything about the announcement. If I, as\nthe Security Advisor, and Haig say we can't say anything, then these\njunior officers should be able to keep their mouths shut. Everyone\nis feathering their own nests.\nH:\nNot really.\nK:\nThey are protecting their own version of credibility. The press\nwill respect them a hell of a lot more for shutting up.\nH:\nThat's very interesting. Where did they get the numbers?\nK:\nThey didn't get numbers. That was a Laird bluff. The\nPresident made an interesting point that Laird didn't know it would be\ntwo months. He was told it would be 3-4 months. Rogers ; has now\ncome back with a 4-month proposal. They are talking to each other\nand trying to scoop each other. But we should brutalize our own\npeople.\nH:\nI will. On both of these.\nlds\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nSecretary Rogers\n11/11/71 ca. 6:05pm\nK: Haig wrote a memorandum to the President about that suggestion\nof yours. The President talked to me and then he went to a group dealing\nwith the cost of living council when you called him, and he told Bull to\ntell me I should fill you in since he will be tied up for a while. He hasn't\nreally finally come down on it, but if he goes for, he can do it in two two-\nmonthly things.\nR: I don't have any strong feelings on it. It just builds up excitement\neach time he does it.\nK: The ot er side may be springing some proposal in December.\nHe has to stay loose to see how to answer them, and with the China thing\ncoming up it will be perfectly natural.\nR: Well, I don't care how you play it. It seems to me more natural\nK: No, I mean to make two two-month things, and he may yet go for\nfour months.\nR:\nI don't care. It's just PR anyway. Two seems so shart to me.\nK: Well, he doesn't want to go to seven.\nR: No. The reason to go for four is when the China announcement\ncomes out, everyone will say that's why he did it, and it doesn't let him\nget into a weak position, and when the announcement comes out everyone\nwill say that's pretty clever.\nK: He is impressed with that argument. He is trying to decide\nwhether to make it two or four. He doesn't want everyone to know what\nhe is thinking now, and this includes Laird.\nR: I'm not pressing one way or the other. I have the feeling that two\ntwos will put him on a spot at a time he doesn't want to be on one. If he\ncontinues at an excelerated pace for a little longer it WO uld be a good thing\nbecause we are going along so well right aow and it related neatly to the trip.\nK: That's a good case. On that argument you sold him yesterday.\nIt may be that if a wik whole peace offensive starts up\nbut his\npresent feeling is to keep it low-key in January. He would make no\nreference to any final announcement at any time.\njust say announcing\nanother increment for the next two months. Very low-key.\nR: No objection to that; that's fine.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nSecretary Rogers\n11/11/71 ca. 6:05 p.m. p. 2\nK: I think if he had tomx make the decision now it could go four or\ntwo, but if it goes two he would do it with the attitude of another two then.\nAnd it's basically your approach.\nR: Okay. Thank you.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nFred Brisson\n11/11/71 p.m.\nK: I won't be able to come down. I'm tied up all day.\nB: Not even Sunday, just for the evening?\nK: There's just a possibility I can still swing that, but I won't know\ntill Sunday morning.\nB: That's all right. Where we will be sitting I will have someone\nelse in reserve to use the seats.\nK: Oh well, if you can do that\nB: If you can come Sunday afternoon some time that will be great and\nif you have to back that night you can.\nK: Where can I call you?\nB: Sunday?\nK: Yes.\nB: At the Waldorf. When will you call?\nK: Before noon.\nB: The show starts at 7:00. Supper will be at 9:30 or twenty of ten.\nK: I would love to come.\nB: Thenwxix will you still bring Nancy?\nK: Yes.\nB: Then I will just hold the tickets. And I expect to hear from you\nSunday around noon.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelecon\nMr. Kissinger\nJohn J. McCloy\n11-11-71; 7:30 p. m.\nK: While you are mulling this over -- frankly, I called you before\nwhile I was with the President. We need a strong man who can sit\non the National Security Council on European matters. I tell you\nthis as a friend -- we need a counter to Connally. We can't throw\naway 25 years of what has been built up for treasury reasons.\nM: I sensed that.\nK: We have state on MBFR, we have Treasury squeezing the Germans\nfor $50 million and breaking the backs of our closest friends. We\nhave one thing after another.\nM: I can see it. No question of the importance of it all. I appreciate\nyour calling.\nK: I just wanted you to know -- I don't think you will find anyone to\nwhom I have been indiscreet about our private deliberations in the\nWhite House. But I have to tell you I have been telling the President\nfor two weeks we are heading for a catastrophe in Europe. We need\nto hold our alliances together particularly since we are talking with\nthe Soviets and he agreed you were the man. I just want you to think\nof this. We have a lot of people on our list but we have no other\nMcCloy.\nM: It is flattering but let me mull over it. I have not even told my\nwife.\nK: I am not asking you for an answer now. I just wanted to give you\na little\nM: I appreciate your calling.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nThe President/Mr. Kissinger\n7:46 p.m., November 11, 1971\nP:\nHello, Henry.\nK:\nMr. President, only one thing I wanted to ask you. I want to\ncheck with you -- confirmed about the announcement against\nthe Japanese knowing.\nP:\nOf course, tell them!\nK:\nThe problem is the time frame.\nP:\nTell them now!\nK:\nThere are two ways to do it. One, to do it backchannel by\nConnally and the other, tell them through State.\nP:\nBackchannel through Connally. That's a good thing to build\nhim up to.\nK:\nRight, Mr. President.\nP:\nFine, Henry, thank you.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nHaldeman/Kissinger\n9:40 a.m. - 11/12/71\nH:\nHas he said anything to you about Congressional notification on this\nannouncement today?\nK:\nThat it would just come out on the ground that the leaks had gotten\nso bad.\nH:\nWell, that's a fine ground to put it on, but it leaves us out.\nShall we do it an hour ahead of time?\nK:\nI think we should.\nH:\nWe should at least tell our strong supporters. Maybe even have a\nbriefing.\nK:\nDidn't you talk to MacGregor?\nH:\nI had to tell him we are going to do something today.\nK:\nShall we do it at Noon?\nH:\nWell, I think by all means we should brief.\nK:\nMy instinct is we should because you infuriate people so much when\nyou don't tell them anything and even if it leaks it can't get on\nTV :until this evening.\nH:\nThat's true.\nK:\nSo my instinct is we should do it about 2:30 or 3:00.\nH:\nI think we should raise it with them that we think we ought or\nthe best thing would be having a briefing.\nK:\nOr just call around and just explain.\nH:\nCan you write out an explanation that MacGregor and Timmons could\nuse?\nK:\nOf course, I will be glad: to do it but I think it can be done without\nit. We can write about a page.\nH:\nWe could get a rationale of why. What do we want them to say and\nwhat basis will we give them for saying it.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n2\nK:\nI will get it done this morning and we will have it by 1:00\nH:\nBy 3:00 they should move fast and get all our friends lined up\non the Hill.\nK:\nWell, we can use a backgrounder when we see what the reaction is\nbut that won't be until next week.\nH:\nThat depends on the President's questioning.\nK:\nYes.\nH:\nThere is no one like governors that we need to notify?\nK:\nWell, maybe Rockefeller and Reagan we should and I will do those.\nRockefeller is coming down today so we can reach him then.\nH:\nWhat about the Cabinet?\nK:\nI don't think it's that EXXXXXXXXXXX momentous a thing.\nH:\nYes, but if one of those guys is out of town and doesn't know what\nhis stuff is.\nK:\nWho handles it?\nH:\nButterfield.\nK:\nI think we should do all of that.\nH:\nCabinet and Congress.\nK:\nThat's about it.\nH:\nWe can't do the Cabinet until 3:00 either. And we'll use the same\ntalking paper.\nK:\nYes, that ought to be a brief paper, one page.\nH:\nOK, Henry.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nClark Mollenhoff/Mr. Kissinger\n11:00 m., November 12, 1971\nM:\nAre you aware of any problem in connection with racial\ndiscrimination in connection with the Mace (?) nomination to Sierra\nLeone?\nK:\nI'm not familiar with it.\nM:\nA suit has been filed in the Federal District Court in which\na couple of Filipino employees have alleged racial discrimination\ninvolving Mace. His nomination is presently up before the Senate\nForeign Relations Committee. You may be aware of the general\ncontroversy around this particular nomination.\nK:\nFrankly, I'm not.\nM:\nThere is an ellegation generally of a lack of due process in\ngrievance procedures up there. It has gone in before the Committee\nand inaccurate, false testimony was given. The nomination has been\npassed over and is currently in the process of being investigated by\nthe Committee staff.\nK:\nI honestly don't know anything about that.\nM:\nI am told that the Sierra Leone Ambassador has had this\ncalled to his attention. I know he knows about the situation because I\nhad a conversation with him. He declines, as he should, to comment\nrelative to whether he has served notice on the Secretary of State\nor the State Department on this matter. They might find Mace to be\npersonna non grata. This gets to be a serious problem involving an\nAfrican country.\nK:\nI don't know enough about it.\nM:\nI was calling to find out if you knew about it and to let you know\nthere is a problem. You can get back with your office there to find\nout why you don't know about it.\nK:\nYou can bet I will do that.\nM:\nI haven't seen you since you got back from Peking. I'm anxious\nto sit down and chat about it.\nK:\nYes, it's been a long time. Let's do that sometime.\nlds\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nPresident/Kissinger\n11/12/71 - 1:32 p.m.\n(Came in late)\nP:\nThe letter says - Why are you unwilling to set a fixed withdrawal\ndate when Hanoi suggests that they are willing to do so? - The\nanswer to that is that they have not said that.\nK:\nThat's right, they have not said that. They have been masters in\nmaking ambiguous statements all of which evaporate when you test\nthem. My experience has been that when I take a very aggressive\nline on them they have backed off.\nP:\nThat is what I wanted to find out. They never said that.\nK:\nWell, they have implied it, but when you put them to the test it it\nnot that way.\nP:\nAll right. That's all I wanted to know.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nThe President/Mr. Kissinger\n10:38 a. m. , November 13, 1971\nK:\nMr. President.\nP:\nHenry, how did you get along at the Ford Theater last night?\nK:\nIt was very nice.\nP:\nJulie said she saw you. She said most of the jokes were on\nour side.\nK:\nThey were very friendly. Of course, Bob Hope was making the\njokes. Even the others -- which weren't against us were sort of\nloving jokes. I thought your announcement\nP:\nI was going to ask you about that. How did it go?\nK:\nMr. President, it could not have been better. I read in the\nnewspapers and on TV\nP:\nIt has confused the hell out of them, hasn't it?\nK:\nMurray Marder wrote a perceptive piece. He said -- do you\nwant me to get it?\nP:\nYes. We haven't gotten the POST up here yet.\nK:\n[read excerpts from the Marder column to the President]\nP:\nGood. And in the TIMES -- which is far more important\nhad a chart which showed it going up and then going way down. Now\nthe thing that is interesting to me is the two-month thing has another\nadvantage. Making more announcements keeps reminding people that\nthe other side got us in and we are getting out. Rembmber, Acheson\nwasn't so dumb he said keep telling them.\nK:\nI think it worked beautifully.\nP:\nCertainly from the standpoint, it worked beautifully. I think\nwe have really put it to the North Vietnamese now. I think one thing\nwe did get in was when I said, in the two-month period\nK:\nwas the rate of infiltration.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nThe President/Mr. Kissinger\n10:38 a. m., November 13, 1971\n- 2 -\nP:\nThat puts it right to them. If the infiltration comes up, we\nwill watch it. We will bomb them or change the rate of withdrawal.\nK:\nMarder also points that out.\nP:\nHe does?\nK:\nIn addition to the impact on negotiations, it has an impact on\nyour public image. Even on this, where we are set in our course,\nyou have done the unexpected once again. You have never done the\nconventional in any announcement. You have done it in a XXXX complex\nway which enhances the image of you as a thoughtful man with long-range\nplans. That also helps among the sophisticates. It gives some confidence\nto the people. I spoke last evening to the Executive Vice President of\nNBC, Herb Schlosser, who is in charge of all programming and who\nactually had been on our side all along. He said Vietnam now, even\namong his rabid friends, is a moot point. They all think you know what\nyou are doing.\nP:\nGood.\nK:\nAnd Mel Laird -- I saw him last night. KXXXXXXXXK He said,\n\"God damn it; he screwed me again. 11 But he said it was a good move.\nP:\nHe thought he would out-guess us, and didn't make it. The\nbest thing was to go to 45, 000.\nK:\nThat's right.\nP:\nNow he can't squeal about a thing.\nK:\nWe have intercepts that Hanoi is assessing its military situation\npretty poorly. We have negotiations about as well set as we can.\nP:\nWhat about the situation in India/Pakistan? Should anything be\ndone? I couldn't be any more in agreement not to involve them in\nthe UN with the Chinese. But we musn't miss any bets.\nK:\nWe had both Ambassadors in Wednesday, and I had the Indian\nAmbassador in on X Thursday. There isn't more we can do.\nP:\nWhat could the UN do?\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nThe President/Mr. Kissinger\n10:38 a. m., November 13, 1971\n- 3 -\nK:\nIf we go into the UN now, it is a trap. The Indians have more\nsupport there than we. And the State Department has no intention of\nsupporting Pakistan in the UN.\nP:\nWhat about China in the Security Council?\nK:\nI think we should find out what the Chinese are thinking. I think\nwe should wait until the 20th.\nP:\nAfter you have discussed it with the Ambassador. The Indians\nhave most of the UN locked, of course.\nK:\nThey have the Security Council votes locked. We don't want\nto be trapped into voting with the Soviet Union.\nP:\nWhat Rogers' argument that India doesn't want to go to the UN?\nK:\nI'm not sure they don't want to go. They don't want UN observers.\nWe should ask both sides to stop their military operations.\nP:\nYou think just let it wait. If they fight, they fight. India will\nroll over them pretty fast?\nK:\nWe have asked Yahya this weekend to get as much on the\npolitical side as he can. The Pakistan Foreign Secretary is arriving\ntomorrow he claims to have a message from Peking. I think we\nshould look at all this before we move. I don't think there will be a\nwar next week. Sisco's great trick is to always say there is a speech.\nThat is how he screwed up the Middle East.\nP:\nThe Foreign Secretary's message doesn't deal with our trip?\nK:\nNo; with his problem. He was in Peking. They wouldn't give\nthe Pakistanis a message for us.\nP:\nI hope we get the Cambodian answer out.\nK:\nRight. I understand CBS ran 6 minutes of your press conference.\nP:\nThe Cambodian answer would be the real one.\nK:\nWe should get that one out.\nP:\nOkay.\nK:\nRight, Mr. President. Congratulations.\nlds\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelcon\nMr. Haldeman\n11/13/71: 11:10 a.m.\nH: He just wondered if possibly worked the best solution with Pompidou\nwhen he gave us the 11th, 12th or 13th.\nK: That has to be.\nH: Then Heath on the 20th or 21st.\nK: He doasn't even know about it yet. (Heath)\nH: I know. Then Brandt the 27th or 28th in Florida. Otherwise we are\ngoing to get into the horrendous problem of getting past the first week in\nJanuary.\nK: I will do my best and have an answer by the middle of the week.\nH: OK.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nMr. Kissinger/President Johnson\n11:15 m., November 13, 1971\nJ:\nHenry?\nK:\nI heard you were in Washington and wanted to ask you, first,\nhow k long you would be staying and, secondly, whether as long as\nyou were here you wanted me to drop by and give you a rundown.\nJ:\nI don't want to intrude and I wouldn't want to add to your\nburdens.\nK:\nYou couldn't add to my burdens.\nJ:\nI would love to see you. I am going down to my daughter's\nin 25 minutes. I want you to meet that young man; he is going to\nthe University of Virginia law school. You don't have to be partisan;\nin fact, I x think he's a damn Republican.\nK:\nI'm not necessarily Republican.\nJ:\nHe's a great fellow. He's graduating this next year.\nK:\nWill you come back from there?\nJ:\nI think tonight or early in the morning. I'm going to see the\nPresident before the services briefly and then attend the services\nat the White House\nMX\ntomorrow. Then I'm going to New York tomorrow\nafternoon.\nK:\nWould you like me to come by in the morning?\nJ:\nI think that would be fine. I think it would be fine to say 10:00 a. m.\nK:\nFine, Mr. President.\nJ:\nI will let you know as soon as I consult higher authority -- my wife.\nI will try to come back tonight but, if not, I will come back in time to see\nyou at 10:00 tomorrow. Unless I call you back, it is firm.\nK:\nUnless I hear from you, I will drop by Blair House at 10:00.\nJ:\nWe will do it at 10:00 tomorrow morning. Thank you so very much.\nlds\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelcon\nThe President\n11/13/71; 11:15 a. m.\nP: Bob said you had a deal with Pompidou.\nK: Yes.\nP: Did the Ambassador get it?\nK: We are going to start working with it Monday. He doesn't want to\nmeet on a base. He wants to meet in a hotel. We will go to the Portuguese\nand ask it as a favor.\nP: I want to stick it to those God damn Africans.\nK: I had a talk with Cromer yesterday. Said we are moving independently.\nIt would probably be embarrassing for the President. He would be the first\nto see the President SO he doesn't look like a bad European. He will probably\nsee Pompidou first.\nP: Did you tell him Bermuda?\nK: I left it loose. Said Bermuda looks like a good place.\nP: On the Brandt thing. How about doing it the week after Christmas? I will\nbe in Florida and it would be a pleasant time - between 26 December and 2\nJanuary. Why don't you propose that to him. Push it more in line of thing\nyou want - make it more personal visit.\nK: He may have vacation plans. But I will go back to him.\nP: What would be another time?\nK: The 10th of January.\nP: When does Mrs. Nixon get back?\nK: The 9th.\nP: I will be right in the middle of the State of the Union. Try the week after\nChristmas.\nK: I will do that - through Rush.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n-2-\nP: Call Rush on the horn. I think it would be useful to have a dinner for\nhim in Miami. Do you think that wouldn't bother you, would it? For about\n200 people.\nK: That would be great. When do you want to see Heath?\nP: Right after Pompidou. In Bermuda any time.\nK: Around the 20th of December?\nP: Excellent. I am going to not do the Christmas parties this year. I will\nget others to do them. That would be a good time to see Heath.\nK: Get it all locked up in a week and announce them all together.\nP: I could see Heath the week after Christmas.\nK: And keep Brandt on the 10th.\nP: There is a possibility.\nK: Will try to get Brandt the 26th or 27th, with Heath before, or Brandt\non the 10th with Heath the 26th or 27th. Or maybe Brandt the 26th or 27th\nand Heath on the 10th.\nP: Set it up any way you want.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nConversation with the President\n11/14/71 11:10\nHAK:\nGood Morning, Mr. President.\nPRESIDENT:\nHello, Henry.\nHAK:\nI just wanted to tell you I briefed Johnson for an hour today.\nPRESIDENT:\nGood.\nHAK:\nI know he is on the way to see you. He seemed content. He is upset on\nthe international economic question. He thinks we are oproceeding too\nbrutally. He is making a speech Tuesday in which he is taking an oblique\nattack on our tactics.\nPRESIDENT:\nConnally is just back so it is an interesting time for him to do it. I am\ngoing to see Connally later today so I will see what he has to report.\nHAK:\nI will be meeting with him before the end of Tuesday.\nPRESIDENT:\nTuesday.\nHAK:\nTomorrow or Tuesday. Not before you meet him.\nPRESIDENT:\nOn infiltration those Bastards really had to hump it. Now they are saying\nwhat we have known all the time.\nHAK:\nI saw the article in the Times. They are playing it just the way you want it.\nIt is not -- now if you do crack at them everyone knows that you have warned\nthem.\nPRESIDENT:\nAnd that we are doing it for the purpose of protecting our troop withdrawal.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified."
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