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Release would constitute a clearly unwarranted invasion of privacy\nG. Withdrawn and return private and personal material.\nor a libel of a living person.\nH. Withdrawn and returned non-historical material.\nNATIONAL ARCHIVES AND RECORDS ADMIN Reproduct at the Richard Alixon Presidential bibrany24\nNA 14021 (4-85)\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nAmb. Rabin\n12/1/71 9:20 a. m.\nR: First, have you got from the other parts something about the papers?\nK: No.\nR: No?\nK: No.\nR: Then it has not reached the President.\nK: Mine have, but not theirs.\nR: All right. Second, about the meeting today. I think that you have to\nmake your understanding and positton clear to prevent any misunderstanding.\nK: What go you think my position is?\nR: How you see the situation.\n9\nK: Domestically.\nR: Yes. If it's possible.\nK: Oh yes. I am always frank.\nR: And three, I will wait for you at 5 minutes to one at the entrance to\nthe Shoreham.\nK: Wouldn't it be better if I just came up?\nR: All right\nbecause I can arrange som ebodyj who is less\nconspicuous than me.\nK: I think that it better.\nR: I think Minister Idan will be there.\nK: All right. Five minutes to one. I'll be with the President, but will\ncall your office if there's any delay.\nR: All right.\nK: It can't be any more than five minutes because he's leaving.\nR: All right.\nK: I will look forward to it then and will speak with great frankness.\nR: All right.\nK: If necessary, brutal frankness.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nTaftS chreiber\n12/1/71 p.m.\nS: I just wanted you to know I am in New York tomorrow and will\nbe there for 10 days. I may have tocome to Washington.\nK: If you come down I want to see you. Where are you staying\nin New York?\nS: At our apartment in the Sherry-Netherland.\nK: I may come up on the 10th. Let's aim for that.\nS: Okay, and we'll take you and your date outfo r dinner.\nK: I am not absolutely sure I'll stay through dinner, but let's\naim for the 10th.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelcon\nSecretary Rogers\n1 Dec 1971; 4:25 p.m.\nR: Henry, I didn't mean to get you out of the meeting. They said you\nwere out to lunch and would call me back. I wanted to put my speech\nout - gathered the President didn't get to read it.\nK: No. But it's no problem to me. I think it is a good statement. It\nleads well into this meeting you have next week.\nR: I think so. The NATO people are causing considerable uproar. Did\nyou get a report on that first session? Deputies meeting in Rome?\nK: I can't make out what is going on. No, I haven't had a report.\nwe\nR: The first session was rough as hell. The U.S. said/they were\ngoing to make it public. It threw them into a tizzy. They never publish\nthese sessions except by an agreement. Either a communique or public\nstatement. They were madder than hell.\nK: Then it apparently did get published.\nR: Not the whole thing. Now apparently John feels they might want to\nprolong the meeting, but it looked awfully acrimonious the first day.\nI hope the second is better.\nK: I haven't seen that.\nR: If they are not close to a settlement this is going to make it difficult\nfor the President - these meetings.\nK: Let me see when I can get together with you. If they were totally\ndeadlocked it won't be possible for the President to give some.\nR: It is a tough one for him because Pompidou knows a great deal about it.\nK: We thought we could get the changes in rate and leave the gold one open\nfor Pompidou and the President.\nR: Apparently the table along that line went over like a lead balloon.\nWhether that changed yesterday I don't know.\nK: We had such a huge change in exchange rates.\nR: That is right. I think we have lost something in negotiating position.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n- 2 -\nI think we have to come up with something after the first of the year.\nK: I think it is intolerable for us to wreck our whole alliance for\n2 to 3 points, in exchange rates. Your position with the President today.\nI wasn't at the meeting, but Haig was. I agreed with it.\nR: I am not sure what John is talking about, \"burden sharing.\"\nIt is true the Germans should do more. And we can work out an\nagreement.\nK: We have more barriers against the Europeans than they against us.\nR: I know. This NATO meeting - I don't know what I am going to say.\nWe are going to ask the Italians to make direct contribution.\nK: We must stay away from that static contribution. If they are going\nto do more they should do it for their own forces. I thought Johnson's\ninstructions were to stay off the burden-sharing on this trip.\nR: He keeps coming to me - what do you want us to do? I say tell them\nbuild your own barracks and don't worry about us.\nThat's contrary to what the President is saying.\nK: Lots of luck on your speech.\nR: Well, it is not a good speech.\nK: Well, I think it a sensible speech.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nAmb. Kennedy/Kissinger\n5:12 p. m.\n12/1/71\nK: We have had difficulty getting togeher.\nHAK: We sure have.\nK: I found convern over here about conditions and our policies. The money\ncrises touched it off. The trade problem and other things are a constant concern\nwith people I have been talking with and absence of an ambassador at Brussels\nand NATO is a cause.\nHAK: We are waiting for your reply.\nK: Looking it over thoroughly and along lines we have talked if the President\nthinks I can be helpful I will do it. I would continue to keep my office in\nWashington ifxwe as talked but will go to Brussels and other areas because the need\nhelp on this. With the problems you have coming out I don't know what\nproblems are with Heads of State meetings. I imagine you are going ahead\nwith these issues.\nHAK: President out of town. Let me talk with him tomorrow.\nI\nK: I think I would want a strong deputy there SO bxex would have freedom\nto be in Washington a good share of the time and keep in touch that way. A\nspecial assignment on the present title I have and then I could follow through\non shoes and textiles on GAT. Talked with Schatezel today and he needs help\non the Common Market so I would want an understanding that he would have to\ncoordinate with me.\nHAK: I will raise it with the President and I will talkx take it up with Rogers. I\nthink its alone the lines he had in mind.\nK: It's how we talked. I will talk with him when I get back.\nHAK: When?\nK: Monday.\nHAK: I will call you tomorrow to confirm confersation. Thank you and I am\ndelighted.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nStu Alsop/Kissinger\n5:50 p.m. - 12/1/71\nK:\nStuart, I wonder whether you are free for dinner on Friday.\nThe willowy blond is in town and I wondered whether you and\nyour wife were free for dinner.\nA:\nGee, I would love to, Henry. Hold the line for just a minute.\n(Goes off for a minute) That would be lovely.\nK:\nGood, well we will have to do at some restaurant. I will tell\nyou where. You know, of course, what a dinner entitles me to.\nA:\nWhat?\nK:\nWell, a hell of a lot more than lunch. How are you and your\nbrother getting on?\nA:\nGood. He seems to have changed a bit.\nK:\nFine. I will call you tomorrow about time and place.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nSecretary Laird\n12/2/71 10:30 a.m.\nK: Over here at OMB they are going through a dance on the defense thing.\nThere was a group: Wgyne Smith, Tucker and Damm. It has been reviewed by\nthe President. We would like to send you where this stands now. But I would\nlike to send it as a personal letter from me. Then if you have any problems it\nisn't føzzen in concrete by a Presidential letter. And then in any event let's\nhave breakfast next week.\nL: Why don't we do it right after I get back from the NATO meetings.\nK: When are you going?\nL: Monday.\nK: Let me get this to you today. I think it's aLL aboard.\nL: Good.\nK: The only things that might give you problems, the air defense and cutting\nback on volunteer force they are the only aspects which might give you some concern.\nL: Would you get it over right away?\nK: I think they are basically non-controversial.\nL: But you are sending it over to me?\nK: Yes, by early afternoon. They have a Presidential letter for you, but I\nam holding up on that. After you and I agree we'll write a Presidential letter together.\nL: These include some of the add-ons too?\nK: Yes, for the submarine speed-up.\nL: Good.\nK: I think you'll be pleased with it.\nL: Okay, send it over. Butxwexx How are we coming on the NATO Ambassado r?\nI hate to bug you, but they are giving me hell.\nK: For your information, we are talking to Dizzk David Kennedy I think he's\ngoing to accept it. All he wants is Cabinet rank and precedence over all the other\ncabinet members.\nL: Okay. He'll be all right. No problem with Kennedy. That's fine, but I\nthink it should be someone like Sprague, or someone just to get someone over there.\nK: I supported him, but then someone objected.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nSecretary Laird\n12/2/71 10:30 a. m. p. 2\nL: I think State raised hell. They want him out of txhxexixex that Ambassador-\nat-Large job. They want him out, or to get Schoetzsel (?) in.\nK: Also, about the figure, there's a bookkeeping problem that I don't fully\nunderstand. They have $78. 5 but it's over 80 billion in obligational authority.\nL: That's is an expenditure rate. Do they have a program rate in there?\nK: Let me send all this over to you and talk again this afternoon.\nL: And they would have the President make a statement on the volunteer\nservice] that we would slip it.\nK: Let me send it over.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nSecy. Laird/Kissinger\n10:34 a. m.\n12/2/71\nL: Make sure that's sent right to me.\nK: Sent personally to you. HAnd carried. Let me ask Haig how quickly we\ncan have it over. 1:00.\nL: I have all these time various operational possibilities worked out that we talked\nabout. Something may be tomorrow afternoon or Monday I should send them\nand let you see what's available.\nK: Urgent because the President wants to do it. On two or three day basis.\nL: 24, 48, 72. A. lot of options. Should I recommend or would the President\nwant to look over all of them?\nK: Let us see all of them.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nSANITIZED COPY\nTELCON\nMr. Swearingen/Kissinger\n10:55 a. m.\n12/2/71\nS: A voice out of the past. I congeatulate you on your prominence on all the\nthings you have done. Very impressive. Appreciate that all the more having\nknown you at Harvard.\nK: How have you been?\nS: Been with Rand as a consultant for 10 years but my principle duty at the\nmoment is a professor at USC. I teach on Soviet and China policy. I don't\nknow of what value it might be but my experience at the State Dept.\nside is neither accurate or\nI just completed a book called LEADERS\nPersee 3.3(b)(1)\nSANITILED\nis that kinds of\ninformation you get on individuals on the communist\n.\nIN THE COMMUNIST WORLD which has Mao and Piao.\nK: I would love to see it.\nS: So often you have SO much correpondence that I imagine you never seeixx it\nSO point out when the book comes in that they pass it on to you. It's called\nLEADERS OF THE COMMUNIST WORLD. Twenty-five guys wrote it but I\nedited it. I did it on Mao and Chou. It's a lot of research. At State when you\nask for bio infomation and get a whole batch of stuff.\nK: I would love to see it.\nS: I would appreciate it if you would look at it. It's been a long time. In '49\nwhen we were at Harvard together?\nK: I think so.\nS: I am not getting younger but you have the best press in the world. They give\nyou a hell of a time.\nK: They do.\nS: It's not bad publicity. I will send it to you. I don't know how long it will\nget to get it to you. You are leaving in Feb.\nK: Yes.\nS: Probably somethings not usualy in the State Dept. data. Drop me a note after\nyou have looked at it. USC.\nK: Nice of you to call.\nS: Regards to our mutual friends. Is Tome Smith still at State?\nDECLASSIFIED\nE.O. 12958, as amended, Sect 3.5\nNLN 05-33/6: Persee Reproduced at the DECLASSIFIED BichardaNisan Presidential Library\nBy P.H\nthisRocDment has been review Ned pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n-\n-2-\nK: I don't know.\nS: There must be two dozen Smiths. Who is the Under Secretary.\nK: Irwin.\nS: You will get this in the next 2 or 3 days.\nK: I will tell my girls to get it to me.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nis\nTELCON\nHenry Brandon/Kissinger\n11:00 a. m.\n12/2/71\nB: I heard you tried to reach me last night.\nK: I had a k whole pile of documents to hand over to you but you're too late.\nB: I would be glad to come at anytime.\nK: Too late. Everything in life is timing and you missed it. Nancy is in town\nthis weekend and also the van der Beugels and I wondered if you and Muffie would\nlike to have dinner with us on Sunday.\nB: I think so.\nK: I hope Nancy feels guilty agx about being at your house so many times and not\nfor other reasons.\nB: I have to rely on Nancy to see you.\nK: You see more of me then the Secy. of State.\nB: You were right not to go last night.\nK: Overseas? Was I?\nB: Yes. Especially in retrospect. It was very mediocre and I thought it was\nridciulous to make a small speech with with questions afterwards at an anniversary\ndinner with everyone in a mood of relaxation rather then work. Also an unfor-\ntunate choice.\nK: I can'txliamx claim credit for not going. I was asked to speak at the Business\nCouncil last night.\nB: Lisagore said in his X introduction that you passed Rogers in the State\nDepartment halls and said xhel must tell you about my China trip sometime.\nK: That's brutal. He is insecure and you should not speak to him like that.\nB: Poor taste. That's why it's good you didn't come.\nK: It's too clos e to the end so this about who is or not is not for anyone's gain.\nB: It's repititous.\nK: It keeps coming up.\nB: I hear on the economic question there was a new alliance between ≤issinger and\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nBrandon/Kissinger\n11 00 a. m.\n12/2/71\n-2-\nRogers.\nK: It's true. We are not brawling. Institutionally there are bureaucratic\nproblems but not that kind of fight going on.\nIR: I wrote you a little note. Did you XX see it?\nK: Notyet.\nB: Also those clippings about the Mix Bismarck collection.\nK: Let me call you about it. 7:30? I don;t know what restaurants are open on\nSunday night. I will determine it and call you. Is La Grande Scene open?\nI will find out.\nB: I have no idea.\nK: I shall find out.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nJos. Alsop/Kissinger\n11:08 a.m.\n12/2/71\nK: Your columns have improved to the degree that you cut me out of your\ncircle of sources.\nA: I have missed you very much and I long to see you.\nK: Nancy Maginnes will be in town this weekend and to my sorrow she has a\ncrush on both of the Alsop brothers. I have invited them to dinner tomorrow\nand wondered if you would like to come too. I will call tomorrow about the time\nand place. What do you recommend?\nA: No preferences.\nK: Let me find one that's quiet. I will call about 8:00 tomorrow morning.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nMrs. Harriman/Kissinger\n11:13 a. m.\n12/2/71\nHAK apologized that there was a State dinner on the night of the 7th, which\nmade it impossible for him to attend the Harriman's dinner for Brooke Astor.\nHe said that he would try to come by after the dinner for the Brazilian\nPresident, if he could sneak out before the entertainment.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nRogers/Kissinger\n11:21 a. m.\n12/2/71\nK: On the Connally devaluation ******** business no one here knew it was going to be\nfloated out there. I want to bring you up to date. We had a meeting here\nbefore he left and he fought against even mentioning it in internal discussions.\nHe should indicate a willingness for realignment. He should reserve right for\ndevaluation before meeting with Pompidou. We don't know what to say to the\npress.\nR: Freezing money markets all over.\nK: Connally said in the EOB that be sure the President won't consider it after\nthe meeting because Burns will leak it.\nR: We will see progress being made. Nothing else to say.\nK: We will say the same thing.\nR: It is the only way to play it. I talked with Connally and said this is how I feel.\nCan't talk with anybody. I said business leaders feel the same way.\nK: Just mention the business community. This is only deal that seems possible\nand he accused me of orchestrating my approach to you, which isn't true.\nR: We got the cat out of the bag. The other ministers were speechless.\nK: To go to 10%.\nR: 5-6 was what I had in mind.\nK: That's right. It's a new ball game.\nR: We will have a settlement now. Can't avoid it.\nK: One other thing. I was invited to the Overseas Writers thing and I turned\nit down because I had to speak before the Business Council. I didn't know\nthat you were going to speak.\nR: It's a dull speech but answering questions after was fun. Sitting in on the\nmeeting with Golda?\nK: No. They will be alone.\nR: If someone sits in, for cosmetics it's better if Al does.\nK: OK but the intention is that they will meet alone.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nAmb. Raza/Kissinger\n12:18 p.m.\n12/2/71\nR: I just got finished talking and I got a letter from the President of Pakistan.\nI would like to come and bring X it to you.\nK: I am tied up until 2: 30.\nR: Could we make it a time that suits you? Kindly convey the following message\nfrom the President to Presindent Nixon.\nK: Could you come at 2:30 for 10 mins? I have the Isreali PM coming in\nso if I am called to the President you may have to speak with Haig.\nR: I will be there at 2:30.\nK: You will be pleased to know that the President has announced cut off.\nR: I haven't presented credentials SO I don't know if I can see him.\nK: Today is impossible. We are XXXXXXXXIX moving.\nR: The President wants to take further actions.\nK: He should wait until we have completed ours.\nR: \"I am therefore seriously considering to make an approach to you for\na ;final attempt ? ? ? a catastrophe. \" I will be there 5 minutes before 2:30.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nSecy. Connally/Kissinger\n2:45 p.m.\n12/2/71\nK: I called you in the Azores in order to know MX how to position Zeigler on\nstories on devaluation. We just no commented it.\nC: I talked with George Shutlz about it.\nK: By that time -- I haven't gotten to George yet. I think everythings under\ncontrol here.\nC: I said we should simply say a very frank and candid discussion. No offers or\ndècisions made but to get it into a meaningful discussion we had to get it in\npercentage and ????? on realignment. ? ? ? ? ? ? country.\nK: That makes good sense to me. That is the line we will stick to and you will\nbe back soon.\nC: In addition if anything else said there is one important matter that came from\nthe meeting that they are committed to proceed immediately for negotiations on\nfreight letters (?) and burden sharing and will want to talk to you tomorrow about\nit.\nK: We will not comment further until you get back. Look forward to seeing you.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nRogers/Kissinger\n3:09 p.m.\n12/2/71\nK: I caught the President before he fell into the clutches of the lady. He under\nstands doing it tomorrow but feels strongly that it must be done. Hletold\nMrs. Gandhi. He said I will send a written order. I said not disagreement in\nprinciple. You did what I transmitted. Did not do less then told.\nR: Our first choice was the other way too.\nK: He knows. If anyone is in trouble it's not you. Why don't we proceed for\nnoon briefing tomorrow?\nR: I don't think we need to give more notification.\nK: We will IXIX just have Keating kexx bleeding over you.\nR: Tell the fellow here. I will touch base with him tomrrow.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nJos. Alsop/Kissinger\n5:30 p.m.\n12/2/7'\nA: About all these festivities.\nK: Which?\nA: For my beloved two yards of woman, whom I adore. Would you like to\ncome here and have Stu and Tish to come here and then out to dinner? We\ncan have a little hor-d'oeuvres. Also Tom Johnson -- Bobby Kennedy's\none really able guy. He is really going to come along. He is with Jock\nWhitney's firm. He and he charming French wife are coming down and we are shax\nhaving a Kennedy type blast. Would you and Nancy - -- -\nK: I am having a party for my staff. It will go on?\nA: Dinner at 8:00 and black tie.\nK: Can we come by, informal? We will come around 10:30 or 11:00. What time\ntomorrow night? 7:30, 8:00?\nA: &x 7:30. We bax will have a cracker and drink and then go on wherever you\nchoose.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nPresident/Kissinger\n6:10 p.m.\n12/2/71\nK: Sorry to disturb you. Two issues. One, I want you to know and another\na decision on. Yahya has written a letter warning India against miltary\nactions. That we can work out. A secret treaty between us and Pakistan\nsigned in 195 would apply and they want to invoke that. I have sent that to\n-\nRogers.\nP: We have a treaty and we have to keep it. That makes it imperative to cut\noff aid to India.\nK: Gerard Smith is reaching a point he must tell the Russians what form they\nhave these things in. ????. Another possibilty is agreement on\n.\nP: Treaty and exectutive agreeme nt is fine. ABM is susceptible to a\ntreaty.\nK: I will instruct him accordingly.\nP: Don't make a deal.\nK: It's under control.\nP: When do you go up to see our friend?\nK: A week from tomorrow.\nP: The lady?\nK: A week from tomorrow.\nP: She will be there a week.\nK: Her reason for coming --\nP: was the bond drive.\nK: And her need to see Rogers. She saw her on the 3rd.\nP: I thought you were going this weekend. Then we have a lot of time.\nK: Exactly. No, I would not go before I talked with you.\nP: Work out scenario on 3 track idea.\nDECLASSIFIED\nK: I will go over it next week.\nE.O. 12958, as amended, Sect 3.5\nNLN 05-33/7 pm ltr 3 July 2008\nReproduced\nat\nthe\nRichard\non\nPresidential\nLibrary\nDECLASSIFIED\n2 Apr 2009\n[p.1.82]\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nPresident/Kissinger\n6:10 p.m.\n12/2/71\n-2-\nP: You see no problem with her seeing Rogers tonight with a different line.\nK: You made that very clear. She has that point.\nP: It's xxxx in her interest. I think the way we talked today will reassure them\nand trust us. I have thought it through. Rabin you and I will do the deal.\nThe rest will be players but we will be the staffx stage managers. Anything\nnew in India/Pakistan?\nK: India continueing to attack.\nP: Anything else we can do?\nK: A. public statement on cut off and aid.\nP: You prepare one and I will check with you. I want one because of this\ncommitment. Also economic aid will be cut off. We will not aid an aggressor.\nI want toughest statement that they can put together. We must keep our word.\nYahga XIX must be OXTXEXIX under great stress to send this to us.\nK: I think things are unstuck in Pakistan.\nRx P: Can we help them?\nK: Too late.\nP: If we could sneak something in. But no way. The Chinese will not help?\nK: Getting in military supplies but mountains passes closed. They picked the\ntime well.\nP: Flying them in?\nK: Yes.\nP: If you think of anything else we can do, a strong statement against\nIndia would be taken in this country. Tell State I will override them and if they\ndon't want to, Zeigler will do it from Florida and it will be a blast.\nReproduced at the DECLASSIFIED Richard Nixon Presidential Library [NLN 05-33/7 2027\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nSisco/Kissinger\n9:05 a. m.\n12/3/71\nK: You have the best secretary employed. She gets me on the phone first everytime\nS: Have you seen the reports?\nK: Of the west?\nS: Yes. The secretary is on his way in and we will review it. You will\nprobb ly want a WSAG in a few hours.\nK: Schedule now for 11:00.\nS: We don't know if reports are accurate. It's obviously the beginning of more\nserious action in the West. We have a strong public statement on cut off and\nreply to Yahya. My instinct is that we should go to the Paks and be more\ndirect. We need to get it in the UN.\nK: I am for it.\nS: We have looked at this and let's get it in.\nK: We could take it there ourselves.\nS: That's the point. And one interesting feature about this. We are the only\nmajor power who can play the Tashkent role. Russians cannot because of\nPakistanis.\nK: My view now -- have you got a statement?\nS: Secretary has not seen and on his way in.\nK: Will be released at noon?\nS: Yes.\nK: It's the President's decision. Either here or in Key Biscayne. We want\nyou to do it.\nS: I think it's just as well.\nK: Can you send a copy over here?\nS: It's being typed clean and send to you with understanding it's not been seen\nby the Secretary.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nSisco/Kissinger\n9:15 a.m. - 12/3/71\nS:\nSince you and I talked the President has conveyed some other ideas\nbut I am not quite clear.\nK: Well, there are two options. One is the long statement and the\nother on background. But you think we should do the whole thing?\nS:\nWell, I want to look over the situation. My instinct is to look\nit over and do the statement\nK: Well, that is my order. The other is just for a contingency basis.\nS:\nIf the thing is to be broadened out, we should have a broad overall\nstatement, but let me.\nK; But we will go at 12 in any event.\nS:\nOne way or the other. But we can move rapidly enough if there\nis to be some kind of announcement that we are calling the Council\nthis date.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nRogers/Kissinger\n10:15 a.m. - 12/3/71\nR:\nHenry, I think in view of the developments in India and Pakistan,\nwe ought to seriously consider delaying this thing until this\nafternoon or, in any event, we got to change the statement because\nit is out of date in view of what's happened. Have you been in touch\nwith the Pakistanis at all?\nK:\nToday, no. Yesterday they brought that letter, but that was just a\nminute.\nR:\nWell, as you know - you have probably been briefed this moming -\nit has deteriorated very quickly and it looks as if there is military\nactivity in the West. The Paks say there is a good deal of ground\nfighting in the West.\nK:\nI think we have no choice whether we should make the long statement\nor not. I had my own doubts about that this morning, but I don't see\nhow we can cut out the military part.\nR:\nWe can't talk about it in view of yesterday's news, it has to be done\nin view of today's news. It is getting to the point where none of\nthese things have much significance because it is deteriorating so\nfast. I think we have to decide whether we want to talk to the Paks\nregarding the Security Council or\nK;\nI think if these actions in the West are confirmed we might as well\npass off the parts\nR:\nWe don't have to take a\n, but I think we ought to take it\nto the UN simply because the Soviets don't want to.\nK:\nWe ought to wait until the afternoon hours after the reports are\nconfirmed.\nR:\nLet's do this. Hold up the announcement on the cutoff of the pipeline\nuntil 4:00.\nK:\nI don't know if I can agree with that. I don't see where one is related\nto the other.\nR:\nWell, if it is any source of embarrassment to you.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n2\nK:\nI would go ahead with the cutoff and not make the long statement.\nR:\nI think if we are going to the Security Council we shouldn't decide\nxguxistayx party the Indians are the guilty party, but that\nthey have played a useful role.\nK:\nOK, Bill. I'll be talking to you.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nAmb. Raza/Kissinger\n10:23 px a.m.\n12/3/71\nK: Do you have any information about all these reports of action in the west?\nR: None whatsoever. I sent a telegram this morning saying this is what's\nappearing here. What do you say? There are so many lies on both sides,\none cannot say. Just now a man brought a ticker -- India attacking positions\nalong W. Pakistan border but denied in India. Could I see you, sir?\nK: Yes. I will see you during the day. The other thing I want to say is it's\nour view the issues should go to the Security Council. If you don't\n.\nR: Personally I think so. It cannot go on like this. Fairly good ariticle\nin the Economist of 3 Dec. \"India Across the Line. 11\nK: This is what we are planning to do.\nR: I will send a telegram. Mx May I use your channel?\nK: Certainly. You will get official information but I wanted you to know.\nR: Will you call me during the day?\nK: Yes.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nPresident/Kissinger\n10:45 a. m.\n12/3/71\nK: Two matters I want to raise. It appears that West Pakistan has attacked\nbecause situation in East collapsing. State wants to use it as a pretest not to\nput out statement at noon. I think it's more reason to cancel programs. State\nbelieve and I agree that we should take it to the Security Council once actions\nare confirmed. If a major war without going to the Security Council it would\nbe a confession of poverty.\nP: Who will object?\nK: India and the Soviet Union.\nP: So we have to.\nK: Apparently no one else will. x xhakwex Even the liberal papers are supporting\nthat.\nP: I am for that. We have to cut off arms aid to India. We should have done it\nearlier. Allow India bias.\nK: Yes.\nP: Sisco's part? He isn't pro-Indian. It's what they want below.\nK: Sisco has no convictions. Liberal,\n, socialist syndrone. The Indians\nwill just add --\nP: I have decided it and there is no appeal.\nDECLASSIFIED\nE.O. 12958, as amended, Sect 35\nBy CIM NARA Date 2009 [p.11f2]\nK: I also think --\nP: I wrote it independently of anyone and I am surprised it hasn't been done.\nK: It won't reach the UN tomorrow or late today. We shouldn't make a catastrophe\n3\nof everything we have done and why Indian actions unjustified.\nP: So West Pakistan giving trouble there.\nK: If they lose half of their country without fighting they will be destroyed.\nThey may also be destroyed this way but they will go down fighting.\nP: They will have enough for a few days. It puts the Soviets on the spot.\nK: I think I should give a brief note to the Russians SO that they don't jump around\nabout conversation yesterday and say we are going on your conversat ion with\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nPresident/Kissinger\n10:45 a. m.\n12/3/71\n-2-\nGromyko. A strong blast at their Vietnam friends and behavior on India.\nWe are moving on our side but they are not doing enough on theirs.\nP: On India certainly but on VN I wonder if it sounds hollow.\nK: We will crack them in a few weeks anyway.\nP: You may hear from them. It's hard to believe that with everything going our\nway why we didn't hear from them. They are asking for it and they must know\nit. Maybe it's what they want.\nK: It won't hurt to show the Russians that we can pick the topic.\nP: Say we are now in accordance with the President's statement that we are\ncoming through on our side of the bargain and very distressed that no reciprocol\naction on their side. How was the meeting covered in the press?\nK: Very well. Putting it all on you. Saying nothing against Rogers but speaking\nhighly of you. I talked with Rabin yesterday and said when she is on Fa ce the\nNation and Meet the Press she should remember who her friends are. You can\nbe sure.\nP: Pakistan thing makes your heart sick. For them to be done SO by the\nIndians and after we have waened the bitch. Their\nand that but\nthey have brought QXX it on. We have to cut off arms. Why not? Because\nattacked by W. Pakistan. Tell them that when India talked about W. Pakistan\nattacking them it's like Russian claiming to be attacked by Finland.\nK: They will do it or we will do it from Key Biscayne. It's a hell of a way\nbut we can do it and I will get that message to the Soviets.\nReproduced at the DECLASSIFIED Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nRogers/Kissinger\n10:55 a. m. - 12/3/71\nR:\nHello.\nK:\nHello, Bill. I just talked to the President. He is agreeable to the\nSecurity Council thing as soon as we get all the facts in. He is\nabsolutely adamant about getting a statement out at noon. He is\nraising cain again. I am getting the hell. He wants it to tilt towards\nPakistan. He doesn't want it to be\n?\n(Laughter). I agree\nwith you, and I told the President that, that we should not go into\nthe long history. We should save that for the UN, but I think we\nshould put out the statement at noon.\nR:\nI am in favor of that. I just hesitate putting out a statement con-\ndemning India.\nK:\nNo, no. I agree with you that we should not put out the long statement\nat noon, but I think we should put out some of these facts in the back-\nground pages.\nR:\nThe facts we are speaking about are old hat as far as the news is\nconcerned SO a review statement to the press is like water off a\nduck's back.\nK:\nI told the President that the argument the people will give is it's\nlike Finland attacking Russia; that they were provoked into it and\ndidn't have any choice.\nR:\nThe question is: Should we take a judicial role ourselves and decide\nwho is guilty? I think it would be better placed in the Security\nCouncil.\nK:\nWhat I recommend, Bill, if you agree, is that the gist of what we\nhad in that statement be used.\nR:\nI would say something like this: In view of the deteriorating situation\nin the area, we are cutting off all military shipments to India now.\nIf this develops any interest on the part of the press then when Bush\ngoes to the Security Council he can outline the steps about Pakistan.\nK:\nThat is correct. We should do it on that basis. Another thing the\nPresident said is that we are considering cutting off economic aid.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n2\nR:\nWell, we said we are considering other steps; that is just one\nof them.\nK:\nWell, I think it is beyond the point where we can mention that.\nLet's just put out the military statement.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nAmb. Raza/Kissinger\n11:04 a. m.\n12/3/71\nR: Just now the ticker has come from radio Pakistan. Says India armed forces\nattacked Pakistan along the - -\nK: I saw this.\nR: Also India\nover. Tried to show world the Bengla Desh problem\nbut no\n.\nK: We are almost certain to take it to the Security Council.\nR: Rogers has called for me at 2:30.\nK: How about after Rogers.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nPresident/Kissinger\n11:10 a. m.\n12/3/71\nP: I wondered if you thought I should give Bill a call on India thing and tell him.\nIs he on salvo now?\nK: They are now. Putting out statement.\nP: Have you raised Kennedy with him yet?\nK: No. I was going to raise it after noon-day briefing out of way.\nP: I will call him now and say I would like to try the Kennedy thing.\nK: Hlewill bleed all over you on India and my concern is that he will issue statments\nto the Dept. saying they came from you.\nP: He is putting out instructions. When does he leave for Europe?\nK: Tomorrow.\nP: I could nominate him and he could go to the meetings.\nK: If we could have moved two weeks ago.\nP: I moved.\nK: Every instruction took 4 days to be implemented. You were way ahead of\nall of us.\nP: He knows I have a cold down here.\nK: He is not unhappy.\nP: If I call he will raise the questions.\nK: And then interpret the answers as he wants.\nP: On Kennedy thing, say the President has a brilliant idea. He has an assignment\nand play a line on economic side. We will say that to him. I won't call him.\nK: That's better.\nP: On India, is there anything else we can do? Going to announce taking it\nto Security Council?\nK: Waiting for a few more facts but this afternoon we will announce it. We have\nto get a tough speech on Pakistan there.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nPresident/Kissinger\n11:10 a.m.\n12/3/71\n-2-\nP: Let him make announcement. Will Bush say what we want?\nK: That's it. He will say what we want.\nP: Nothing new on the Cambodian front?\nK: No that's not one of those --\nP: Not as critical.\nK: You remember last year when I had to brief a group of Sanators? In Dec.\nand January they begin their operations. Cambodians are over extended there\nlike last year.\nP: Like Laos back and forth.\nK: That general in 3rd Corps area is no good.\nP: Tell them to get off their ass. It's importatn to keep pressure on these\npeople.\nK: I will get Moorer after this meeting.\nP: We are throwing bombs in there. Moorer will have more than patch work\ncrap on this strike.\nK: Have a session with him and Packard. Laird away next week.\nP: Congress might get out end of next week. I doubt it but certainly by Thurs.\nof the following week. We want togo after that and whip them. In addition,\nto passes, their air field. S\nK: The trouble with air fields you blow them up and two weeks later they are in\nactioh. I would tear up supply dumps in southern panhandle. And Doung Ho\nand Vinh.\nP: Johnson hit it.\nK: We haven't.\nP: bookx Knock the hell out of it. They may think we will bomb again.\nK: A. whole days strike just for airfields.\nP: I see your point. We will look at that. Moorer working on it himself?\nWe can depand on him?\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nPresident/Kissinger\n11:10 a. m. 12/3/71\n-3-\nK: Yes. He is first class.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nAmb. Ushiba/Kissinger\n11:59 X a. m.\n12/3/71\nU: Can you do ene a great favor and spare just about 15 minutes for Mr. Kasuga?\nK: The trouble is this India-Pakistan question.\nU: It's a very troubled situation. But he cancelled all appoints in NY to see yo7\ntoday.\nK: I will see him then.\nU: It's a great favor. We are in great difficulty.\nK: 4:00?\nU: I X will tell him that. I will confirm with your secretary.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nConnally/ Kissinger\n12:20\np.m.\n-\n12/3/71\nK:\nJohn, how are you?\nC:\nWell, I'm fine, Henry. How are you?\nK:\nWith the Washington Post writing favorably about you, I am beginning\nto worry.\nC:\nI don't know who it is, but I am going to find out.\nWhere are you?\nAre you in town?\nK:\nYes, I am in my office.\nC:\nWell, I just thought if you weren't otherwise engaged for lunch, I\nwould buy you a lunch.\nK:\nI am tied up for lunch today. We have a tentative date for Monday.\nIs that OK?\nC:\nWhat time?\nK:\nAnytime. One o'clock?\nC:\nFine. You want me to come over? I understand we are having a\nQuadriad meeting Monday.\nK:\nYes, have you heard they are filming \"A Day in the Life of the\nPresident\" and I tell you every public relations hotshot in this build-\ning has a bright idea. I am trying to get the two minutes that they\ngave to the dog.\nSay, it seems to me George Shultz is having 500\nheart attacks because of the gold thing.\nC:\nWhat about?\nK:\nI don't think they taught him in his economic courses that you should\nraise the price of gold.\nC:\nI am sure he is having heart attacks over raising the price of gold.\nWe did discuss the possibility. We talked about the French and\ndevaluing the dollar in terms of the price of gold the same way the\nFrench will revalue the franc in terms of the price of gold. We want\nto be fair. We want to meet people half way.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n2\nK:\nSo, will it be necessary for the President to get into it with Pompidou?\nC:\nHell, yes. Henry, I have got to come and talk to you. Rogers is\nleaving tomorrow to go to NATO. I have got to somehow get Bill\nbriefed and I guess the best way is to get the President to talk to\nBill.\nK:\nThe President is in Key Biscayne.\nC:\nI know. He would have to do it on the phone.\nK:\nWell, what do you want Bill to know.\nC:\nI want Bill to hold firm. We had four hours on trade and we have\nto keep them down. Tom Barber made himself look silly saying\nhe didn't realize this was a matter under discussion. He didn't\nthink this was a matter of serious concern. I said we have been try-\ning to tell him that for three-and-a-half months. You can be sure\nthere is not going to be a solution to the problem until something\nis done. You can be sure there will never be an Administration re-\nquesting changing the price of gold unless it is accompanied by trade\nmatter changes on the measure. The net of it was we can't do it\nhere. So I said, Let's bring in Barr and the agricultural experts.\nWe had Eberly who talked to the Germans, French, etc. He called\nthe British and they politely said no. The French said no. We\nread that off in the meeting. This went on for four hours. We had\na real rough one stirring on this. You aks us to take you on, to\nhave faith in you when you have done nothing for three months. We\ngot Barr in there and told him to get negotiations going immediately.\nSo Eberly is going back there Monday with agricultural people.\nThe thing we have to realize is that we are not going to get the\nalignment we could.\nK:\nI don't think we are going to get any alignment unless we change the\nprice of gold.\nC:\nMy judgment is that if we\nto give on the price of gold what\ndo we get. Not a goddamn thing. The only thing I can get are some\nstuff on burden sharing. The Germans told me we could get some-\nthing on trade, and specifically the following:\n1. An agreement on grain storage for this year and next.\nThis is enormous in the farm belt.\n2. An agreement on pricing - agricultural pricing. Maybe\neven a declaration on farm pricing.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n3\nK:\nThat I don't think we can get.\nC:\nWell,\n3. We can get something on the tobacco tax to stay\nwhere it is.\n4. And something on citrus.\nThat is one of the things that have a political impact in this country.\nWhen you start talking about grain, citrus and tobacco, the President\ncan claim a major victory. What we have to do on every front is\ninsist. We do have to have help. The Germans volunteered the\nposition with respect to the Smith-Laird agreement to have a $6 million\nbudget. That is what every secretary wants. That's what McNamara\nwanted.\nK:\nWell, it sounds as if you really got things moving in the matter.\nIt was the maximum you could achieve, but the problem is if we\ndon't pursue it.\nC:\nDo you want me to drop by there this afternoon?\nK:\nYes, or I could drop by there.\nC:\nThere is a Cost of Living Council meeting which I am not sure\nI will make. How about 4:00?\nK:\nI have a 4:00 meeting.\nC:\nHow about 4:30?\nK:\nGood, I will come by.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nLaird/Kissinger\n12:40 p.m. 12/3/71\nK: I haven't hear you bleeding on the defense budget.\n+\nL: I will have something for you Tuesday. Not a major thing. On RWD we could\nmake some changes.\nK: Not change the figure.\nL: 79 instead of 78. 5. And what sorties do.\nK: Who's a taking it out?\nL: It's in the direction.\nK: How did that slip by me?\nL: It brings it to lower level but it means a lower capability during rainy weather.\nThat's what BOB wants.\nK: I will look at that.\nL: Send it Tues. or Wed. Memo to you or President?\nK: Me or President. Do it to the President.\nL: I will not reference your memo. On basis of these tentative\nK: You can so we know what we are talking about.\nL: No one here seeing that memo.\ndecisions?\nK: You will not issue guidance in interval that will pre-empt discussionsk\nL: No. Our guidance is that we are working on 79. 7. I will have to cut back.\nK: Shultz bugging me to meet with you. You will go ahead otherwise unilaterally.\nL: Nothing until I hear from you on this. Otherwise I will have to reduce it\nwhich I don't want to do now.\nK: Forces included in memo.\nL: On CIA deputy direction wxx should I work on it.\nK: Dick Walters.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nLaird/Kissinger\n12:40 p. m.\n12/3/71\n-2-\nL: They are coming in with recommendations. We want this to go through.\nIt requires promotion of other star.\nK: That's what we want.\nL: Never told to do it.\nK: That's right. Want him there another month or so.\nL: Start feeler going on his replacement. Nothing else. No actions taken until\nI hear from you. Memo delivered to you Tues. or Wed.\nK: You will be in Europe.\nL: I am working on it this weekend. I appreciate your support.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nRogers/Kissinger\n12:46 p.m. 12/3/71\nK: One other thing. The President's mind is perculating. He offered some weeks\nago the NATO job to Kennedy. He has accepted it. With some condition. One\nis that he can come to Heads of State meeting. I see no problem on that.\nR: All or just NATO countries?\nK: He says all but I don't see how he can go to Sato.\nR: Oh, I mean Russia and China.\nK: No. Also attend NSC meetings and status and ????. And economic\nambassadors will keep him informed of his activities. If you agree with this,\nwhy don't you tell him.\nR: I will do it. Tell Kennedy.\nK: The President talked to you. Do you want to do that? I have discussed\nconditions with him and the President agreement to it. Call to you will be\nfor between 9:00 and 10:00 our time.\nR: I am hesitant about whether he should go with this (war?) Mrs. Ghandi\nmaking an address at 1:30. I guess she will declare war.\nK: She will recggnize Bengla Desh and Pakistan will declare war. India\nhas declared state of emergency. That doesn't say much. Moorer is OV the\nview that xrx inprobably that Pakistan will attack because these are minor\nairfields.\nR: Only one military. The others are commercial.\nK: I don't understand why they will attack those airfields. Maybe a knee-jerk.\nR: I think going to the Security Council is best thing. If its not up there we\nwill have to do something. I will call Kennedy. Has a good second man over there\nand you can rely on him.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nPresident/Kissinger\n2:45 p.m - 12/3/71\nP:\nHenry, I noticed as I was reading the news summary that one of\nthe networks used Church's name in which he charged that the\nAdministration did not even have a word of sympathy for the\nrefugees in Pakistan. Did you see it?\nK:\nI saw it and it is an outrage.\nP:\nWhat has been done about it?\nK:\nI have Scali in here now. Haig is talking to him to push out some\nof these figures.\nP:\nWhy hasn't it been done before. I assumed we put it out 100 times\nbefore.\nK:\nThe news wouldn't carry it.\nP:\nSomebody ought to take him on directly. State ought to directly by\nname say the Senator is incorrect and if State doesn't want to then\nsomebody from the White House will have to do it or somebody in\nthe Senate. He knows better because he is very much up on it.\nWe appropriated the money. They try to create the impression we\nare not doing a thing. What about the rest of the stuff?\nK:\nIt was announced today at noon that we cut military shipments. We\nhave now made an analysis of the Pakistan-India border and it looks like\nthe Indians are making the attacks rather than the Pakistanis. The\nairfields are being attacked very close to the border. What is more\nlikely is that the Indians started ground action in this area. They\ndidn't attack supply bases right behind them.\nP:\nYes.\nK:\nBut we will know more about that in another 10 - 12 hours or so.\nMrs. Gandhi has given a speech putting her country on a war footing.\nof whites\nP:\nWell, she says she is not going to be threatened by a country/3 or 4\nhundred thousand miles away. Well, she didn't object to the color\nof our money.\nK:\nAnd when she said the Pakistanis had to leave East Pakistan. That is\nan unbelieveable demand.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n2\nP:\nWell, I guess there is not much we can do. I hope the State people\nwill take the defensive on this. The Russians are not jumping to\ntheir defense.\nK:\nWell, I think they are on their side.\nP:\nYes, but they are going gingerly on it. They are a little bit loose.\nK:\nOh, I talked to Bill about Kennedy. He is delighted. He is going\nahead on it.\nP:\nHe says it is a good move.\nK:\nIncidentally Bill has put off his departure on Tuesday.\nP:\nGood, then we will have him in on that meeting. Have him come in\npersonally for that Day in the White House film.\nK:\nYes, I think that was part of his reason for delaying.\nP:\nThe only other thing I noted in the summary which shows how the\nnetworks play it is with CBS who said U. S. casualties had\nK:\nI noticed the same thing.\nP:\nI looked and said what the hell are they talking about. It was the\nmost distorted I have ever seen in terms of the media. There is\njust no honesty in those people. \"Sharply increased\" - that leaves\nan impression. theopeophe The people don't know numbers at all.\nK:\nThat's right. They can say it is a 40% increase. I had a good talk\nwith Connally. I am seeing him at 4:30.\nP:\nI know. He told me. Well, they aren't getting much. They will\nhave a hard time.\nK:\nWell, I think you ought to get it settled and I think you will.\nP:\nOn the Cambodia thing, the one thing is not to let them blow this\ninto a big thing.\nK:\nI talked to Moorer. He said the South Vietnamese action is going very\nwell.\nP:\nGood. Maybe they can take some pressure off of\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n3\nK:\nWell, that's going to happen. He said they are doing it.\nP:\nLet's get on this refugee story. Attack Church. Don't take a\npositive stand. Someone has got to go out and attack Church for\na totally irresponsible statement. Say what we said and what we\ndid. The Senator knowxxitx knew it when he said it. Get a hold\nof Haldeman or somebody.\nP:\nI will get that done immediately Mr. President.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nSisco/Kissinger\n2:56 p.m.\n12/3/71\nS: Just to keep in step. At 3:30 we will see the Pakistan. What I will do at the\nmeeting is make pitch to him. Show him resolution that was in attached paper\nto show him what we have in mind. In NY we have had a report from George\nbecause there's convern over Ghandi's statement. French and\nare\nready. Belgians ready. The Sierra Leone guy has asked for a meeting with\nGeorge at 5:30. After we have talked with the Pakistanis and no difficulty --\nK: The President is on the ohter line.\nS: Call me back.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nPresident/Kissinger\n2:58 p.m.\n12/3/71\nP: Be sure to call Kennedy before Rogers calls saying all conditions met and\nexpect a call from Rogers and want to do it as quickly as possible so he can go\nto meetings. He will want to know he appointed him. It will have to go through\nState. All conditions are met. Confirm it anyway.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nSisco/Kissinger\n3:00 p.m. - 12/3/71\nS:\nHenry, in other words what I was trying to say is given the present\ncircumstances, there is a good possibility we can get others to join.\nYou agree we should take the lead and get as many others as we can\nto join in the recourse to the Security Council?\nK:\nWhen? When is this going to be done?\nS:\nThe Secretary will talk to the Paks at 3:30. We will send you a press\nannouncement for clearance shortly after that. Then consult with Bush\nwith a view to getting a meeting tomorrow.\nK:\nYes, but I want it clearly understood. I am getting calls every 15\nminutes. The President wants us to tilt towards Pakistan and I\ndon't want any more of this handwringing or we will move every\nbrief on the record to the White House.\nS:\nIn your next conversation with the Secretary tell him that. I am\nsure he knows that but I think you should emphasize it again. I\nwill have him call you after the Pakistani meeting.\nK:\nI don't want to see any press release before we have cleared it here.\nWe don't have to shoot from the hip. We could wait until 6 o'clock.\nS:\nNo, there is no problem in that regard at all. Did you get that other\nbusiness I sent you.\nK:\nWhat was that?\nS:\nI sent you that other piece of paper.\nK:\nWell, I didn't get a chance to go through all my papers.\nS:\nWell, alert your girl to call it to your attention. That is a very\nspecial piece of paper.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nMr. Kissinger/Joe Sisco\n3:10 p. m., December 3, 1971\nK:\nI have those things -- the instruction. The President has\nbeen raging about the comment that Church made yesterday that\nwe haven't done enough for the refugees. He wants State to take\nChurch on by name and say it is totally incorrect, put out the facts,\nand say in light of these facts it is even more incomprehensible.\nS:\nLet me put something together on that.\nK:\nHe has called twice.\nS:\nI need 10 more minutes for the Security Council thing.\nK:\nDon't shoot too fast on that. We can do it tonight or in the\nmorning.\nS:\nThe Secretary will call you in an hour. If there are objections\nwe will have to review it again.\nK:\nOkay.\nlds\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nRogers/Kissinger\n3:45 p.m. 12/3/71\nR: On Pakistan Ambassaodr. Has no instructions but thought a good idea.\nCommunications slow from here to his government so working out an arrange-\nment for him to send through our channels. He feels sure they willnot oppose.\nThey feel same thing in UN.\nK: I think we should wait until we here from them. We can wait until tomorrow\nmorning.\nR: There's a lot of criticism on why we don't do something. Ambassador had\na press conferencex today and a lot of press critizing us for not taking action.\nOtherwise if we don't do it somedne else will.\nK: As soon as we hear from the. If we can get an anser tonight, sure.\nR: Sooner we have the monkey off our back so the President can say he has\nacted.\nK: The President does want to act. Wants to take a line to condemn the Indians.\nR: It's not a matter of condenming or blaming. It's trying to stop it. If we\nblame India a general war will break out.\nK: In the subcontinent.\nR: We are short-sighted if we think our general approach is xxxxxxxxx castigating India.\nIt's to bring a ceasefire.\nK: And withdrawal.\nR: If we say let's condemn India, what does that do? We are trying to bring\nabout ceasefire.\nK: That's what we want to do but xiotxwkakyxxxgek in order to get that we have\nto make clear who started action.\nR: That's in the Security Council. If we don't take lead for security council\nin action then first we have lost the opportunity because someone else will\nand no advantage for railing against India now if we have Security Council -\nK: I mean before the Security Council.\nR: Right.\nK: I think we should get the Security Council in a way that's not offensive to\nPakistan if it can be done. So what if the Belgians go to the Security Council?\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nRogess/Kissinger\n3:45 p.m.\n12/3/71\n-2-\nR: The President said don't let them blame me and people will. Church saying\nwe are not doing a thing.\nK: We should hit back.\nR: How can we?\nK: We have done a lot. Neglect India on refugee thing. He will hit at us no\nmatter what we do.\nR: xkfxwxxxxx If war breaks out and we do not move quickly to bring it to the\nSecurity Council in conjunction with others, the President will be blamed for\ninaction.\nK: As soon as we know they don't object.\nR: This fellow doesn't and getting in touch with ambassador in NY who has been\nin touch with his government. I don't think we should wait until tomorrow.\nK: Let's talk again in a couple of hours.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTECCON\nCong. Passman/Kissinger\n5:05 p.m.\n12/3/71\nK: I was just talking with the President and we are trying to figure out in regard\nto the aggression that India is carrying out how much aid. Bureaucracy says\n$10 billion over years. President says until he gets your figures he won't\nbelieve it.\nP: Wait a minute. (turns away from the phoen to ask for information). I am\nyelling at my staff and I have a terrific staff. Do you yell at your staff?\nK: Onee or twice.\nP: What I should give you is actual disbursement 1946-1971. The net to\nIndia has been 8 billion, 3 million, 600 thousald. There's a little more to be\nadded. 16 billion dollars in ? ? ? ?. That covers classified aid such as\nmilitary. In the 16 billion in all probably a half billion goes to India and aid\nto simple ? ? ? ? which goes with military and now in world-wide region.\nWe stick with this figure of 8. 3 billion dollars. That's a certified figure.\nK: I appreciate this. Incidentally, the President says if any of his friends\nin Congress blast on why we give India SO much aid I will not cry.\nP: I spent 40 minutes today sweeping down amendment that we would immediately\ncease giving aid to India until they withdraw drox troops from border. I said\nyou are trying to write policy like Fulbright. I said no. Their PM was here a\nfew weeks ago and we don't know bxxwx who is at fault.\nK: We don't mind some criticism of India.\nP: But not in official reports. We are a money committee. I think Fulbright\nis a fool.\nK: He is not one of my best friends.\nP: I call him \"Half-bright. 11 I have tried to protect your people today. I feel\nlike a groom at a shot gun wedding with a pregnant bride he has never seen.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nConnally/Kissinger\n5:20 p.m.\n12/3/71\nwill\nK: Wanted you to know we xxx set up meeting with Canadians like you want it.\nI don't think you want to be part of a mass meeting. Why don't we have Benson\ncome to your office?\nC: Unless they think by our absence that monetary items are not of concern.\nK: We will skyx say military matters are your concern and not on their agenda.\nC: They will probably also discuss trade. Trezise, Scott and Petty have gone.\nThey have conducted all trade negotiations.\nK: Say economic areas discussed by you and Benson. They will discuss\nbilateral goodwill. In your office?\nC: That's fine.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nPresident/Kissinger\nlate afternoon 12/3/71\nP: Any late developments?\nK: It's more and more certain it's India attacking and not Pakistan. We cut\noff other military supplies. Secy. wants to go to Security Council and go on TV.\nI say we can go just as soon as Pakistan says it's all right with them. We are\nsending a message through our channels to speed it up. I don't think we should\nrush until we see what they want. And tell the Chinese it's done with Pakistan's\nconcurrence.\nP: Why stick our nose in unless they want us.\nK: The right way to do it is low key way and call a Security Council meeting.\nP: If Rogers goes on TV it's not going to be a plague on both your houses. He\nunderstands?\nK: I hope so.\nP: He knows. They have the same facts we have. Don't they know India--\nEveryone knows Pakistan not attacking India.\nK: Attacks took place at 5:45 when dusk falling. Three commercial airfields.\nThe other attack at\n.\nPakistan could not do it in 15 minutes. Pakistan\nmust be P jumpted off and India persued. ???? You can't follow us and\nother side has 5 hours on alert. That's what Moorer said.\nP: They would do it at dawn to surprise them.\nK: And keep up attacks.\nP: It's a tragedy the Indians are SO treacherous. Her attitude - - not that it\ndis\nour attitude but to put it on an anti-colored attitude. How much help\nis she getting from colored people?\nK: We should stop cutting economic aid now. $90 million of letters of credit\nunsigned.\nP: Put a stop order on t em. They must be signed by me. I think we should go\nslow on giving visas to Americans going there. American businessmen and others.\nK: Right.\nP: Tell them to slow down. We don't want to have to evacuate some jerks and\nbusinessmen trying to make investments. What else?\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nPresident/Kissinger\nlater afternoon 12/3/71\n-2-\nK: Administratively the\nis cut aid next year.\nP: That would have to be done in Congress.\nKxx K: ?????\nP: I see. Get Hannah busy and let it leak. We told her if they went in it would\nbe tough.\nK: Scott made a speech and Morse nad Frelinghuysen already said something.\nP: He was pro-Indian but an honest man.\nK: He turned around.\nP: How about your other projects. Kennedy thing on track?\nK: Yes.\nP: Rogers could see that one. It's basically fine. Is it better for Kennedy?\nK: Gives him something regular to do.\nP: Use him from there. Had your meeting with Connally?\nK: Going in a few minutes. Had a brief meeting with xBxrx1x Burns and he is\noptimistic.\nP: Everything is set if we give on gold but Connally doesn't know what we will get.\nK: Burns thinks we x can get trade.\nP: He mentioned that but devaluation thingis tough. Scald (?) Coon ally on the\nCanadian thing. They were tough over there and British even more.\nK: Burns is reviewing what we can do to squeeze the British. We\ncan do it.\nP: Do it.\nK: Before he gets here and after.\nP: If we want to make a deal with them, squeeze before. I want the meetings\nto mean something.\nK: It's my conviction that you will settle it.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nPresident/Kissinger\nlater afternoon 12/3/71\n-3-\nP: Pressure before so we get a good settlement.\nK: We can get it settled. They will not yield to Connally but do more for you.\nP: He has it positioned well. Nothing more on the Cambodian front?\nK: I have talked with Moorer and he is going to Abrams for maximum effort\nand review again and an answer tomorrow.\nP: Keep the pressure on. I don't think it's as bad as indicated.\nK: I don't either.\nP: Same AP guy. They can't xix write for 6 months that Cambodia ia about\nto fall. What does Scali think of the sharp increases from 5-9?\nK: I haven't asked him.\nP: The biggest number in 2 months. I remembered it was 9 and it was. It\nshows what we are up against. On India/Pakistan we are not doing this out\nof peak or mad at India. They may react like Nasser did.\nK: It's not in there interest.\nP: It's puts them fully in hands of Russians.\nK: It will drive Chinese to us.\nP: Can Russians feed 400 million Indians.\nK: And Egypt and Cuba? They are getting overextended.\nP: You give figure of 6 million dollars worth of aid.\nK: It turns out to be 10.\nP: Multilateral also?\nK: Yes. But 10 is quite a slug.\nP: I bet Passman's figure is bigger. Give Passman a call. Say President\nsays 10 billion to India and ask what his figures show. Hewould appreciate\nbeing asked. Going to Gridiron tomoorow?\nK: No.\nP: Lucky.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nSisco/Kissinger\n4:10 p.m. - 12/3/71\nS:\nThe Secretary asked me to call you. He is prepared to take on\nChurch. We provided him with that material that the White House\nprovided for us. But what he has in mind is that he would make\nan announcement on going to the Security Council all at one time.\nHe has talked to the Pakistani. The Pak here has reacted positively,\nbut he is having difficulty in terms of communications so he had\nus, on his behalf, send a flash telegram saying he thinks it is a\ngood idea.\nK:\nHas he given you a text of the telegram to send?\nS:\nNo. He asked us to communicate to Islamabad on his behalf. To\nsend his view that he thinks it is a good idea and have Farland take\nit up with the Foreign Secretary.\nK:\nHas it been sent?\nS:\nYes, the Secretary has sent a flash to Islamabad now. He (the Pak)\nis also putting together a cable of his own and he is going to want\nthat sent through our channels.\nK:\nAll we want to be sure of is that the Pak Government doesn't find\nit embarrassing.\nS:\nSo there we are. We got Farland out of bed and that's it.\nK:\nGood. Thank you.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nAmb. Kennedy/Kissinger\n4:55 p.m. - 12/3/71\nHAK: David, I talked to the President and he is delighted that you will\naccept it on the conditions which you outlined. They are all\nagreed to.\nK:\nThey are really not conditions.\nHAK: No, I didn't put it that way. I said there were some requirements\nyou thought were necessary to do an effective job. Now you will\nhear from Rogers just to make it formal.\nK:\nFine. I will be in on Sunday night and will check in on Monday.\nHAK: The President is delighted and you are to come to the meeting.\nThere is a slight question whether it is necessary for the Sato one?\nK:\nYes it is.\nHAK: Just in the context of your new job. At any rate, the other three\nare easy. All the other requirements we will meet.\nK:\nVery good and I look forward to it and I will see you on Monday.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nPresident/Kissinger\n5:55 p.m.\n12/3/71\nK: I am sorry to keep bothering you.\nP: I want to keep posted on it.\nK: I want to talk about tactics on Security Council issue. Plan now from State is\nRogers go to NY and make production out of it. It puts us in bxixsx forefront of\nissue.\nP: Feel necessary.\nK: And look important.\nto\nP: That's the point theyxmake. We mxxsxxix lost on one issue and however we slice\nthis we will try and loose.\nK: We will get into a brawl with the Russians and better to let the Chinese and\nRussians get at it.\nP: And maybe the Chinese too.\nK: It's good for Bush to take it to the Security Council. But let Bush handle it.\nBut for the Secretary to go into the forefront of arguement we will look\n/\nP: Dulles didn't. He let Lodge do it.\nK: Dulles went up in the M.E. crises of '56. But that was a first class war.\nP: That was different. When he went it was something he could do to effect the\noutcome. We are not sure we can do something. You have to be subtle. It's\na good idea but you are a big one and we don't want you committed on prestige\nat this point. Let the Russians and Chinese get into it. Why does he want to go?\nK: Because of the publicity and the NYTimes says we x should go to the Security\nCouncil.\nP: We are going.\nK: It's a two-day headline after which they will say we failed. I don't mind\nusing the Security Council to make our case but we should use another country.\nIf he is up there and Sisco, all hell will break lose.\nP: What can we do?\nK: Tell him it should be done in lower key way.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nPresident/Kissinger\n5:55 p.m.\n12/3/71\n-2-\nP: Can hexpx he be persuaded or do I have to call him?\nK: I have Haig call Ted Eliot and say you don't want high level\nP: No, that's not the way. Say I don't want his prestige committed at the outset.\nI would rather see how the others play it. Hold out possibility. Don't you think\nthat's better.\nK: It might be. It could be.\nP: I don't mean we don't want to do it at all. You want to say we want it handled\nby Bush.\nK: A low key statement at State saying Bush ask for Security Council meeting.\nNot Rogers going on TV and say we have asked for it in Secutiy Council.\nThen it's our responsibility.\nP: Without knowing what we can produce.\nK: It gets us imbroiled with everybody.\nP: Can to talk with Rogers and Sisco?\nK: I have been talking but you know how he is with the bit in his teeth. We\nhaven't got Pakistan's response yet.\nP: I see, that's why. He knows we don't have a response.\nK: It's messy. They have sent a message to Pakistan we will have to straighten\nout. It's hard to run a crisis this way. It's dangerous.\nP: They\none at.\nK: Told the Pakistan government their also ambassador here fully endorses\nidea which is untrue because he wants to akx ask for instructions.\nP: Do it in a way where he wouldn't have to be involved.\nK: Best thing is to have Haig transmit a lowkey message to Eliot.\nP: They have it down -- what excuse do you give.\nK: Not engage the Secy's prestige at this time.\nP: Beginning at this point when we have no assurences that it will be effective.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nPresident/Kissinger\n5:55 p.m.\n12/3/71\n-3-\nAt this point I would rather have Bush to take the handle. Let us see how Russians\nand Chinese dialogue comes out. Heshould say that. His people should tell him\nthat. It's like loosing the Taiwan thing. They don't blame Rogers, they\nblame me.\nK: And Taiwan thing was presented so hyper that defeat was -- same syndrome.\nHis people are trying to further the Dept.\nP: Bush is their man.\nK: We don't want the WH involved.\nP: That's my point. Let him do TV here.\nK: He XIX is willing here but once he goes on TV there's such a huge affair.\nIt's a huge domestic problem and we will fall on our face again. On something\nthat? ? ? ?. .\nP: A hell of a lot of people who don't give a damn in India and Pakistan. I\ndon't want to hypo it that much. His prestige should not be C ommitted and le\nBush raise the issue and he will discuss it Monday.\nt\nK: That's the way to do it.\nP: They can do it tomorrow, can't they?\nK: They can. But just call Council in NY. It's a good news story and State\nDept. aware.\nP: Wxex want to stay out of it today.\nK: You shouldn't have to.\nP: I will be gone in a few minutes.\nK: Haig can do it.\nP: But not blunt way so it looks like we are overriding them.\nK: I talked with Passman and figures I have are right. 10 billion. He was so\nflattered to be asked. And I talked with Kennedy and he is delighted and nexsaid\nhe would here from Rogers. He will be back Monday.\nP: Where?\nK: He is in Europe now.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nPresident/Kissinger\n5:55 p.m.\n12/3/71\n-4-\nP: He should stay and go to the meetings with Rogers.\nK: He wanted to come home.\nP: See if Rogers wants him there. Can you talk with Rogers today about that?\nK: That's easy. No problem.\nP: Work that out. Let him call Kennedy and tellhim to stay there for the\nmeetings.\nK: Unless we havent announced it.\nP: We can announce him as Ambassador-designate. Has Rogers raised\npoint with you about going to NY?\nK: Ted Eliot mentioned it to Haig.\nP: Fine. I thought that he liked the idea of going to Security Council and State\nshould follow up but don't want Secy to use his prestige at this point and should\nbe done at Bush level. Don't want to get into Russian/Chinese thing. And don't\nwant to huff and puff and blow away.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nAmb. Raza/Mr. Kissinger\n7:00 p.m., December 3, 1971\nK:\nAre you and I going to write a book on the bureaucracy together?\nGet that cable I was asking General Haig who is sitting here\nwith me. Will you call us before -- if you get an answer, call us\nbefore you call my colleagues.\nR:\nI don't understand.\nK:\nWhen you get an answer from Islamabad, before you call Sisco\ncall us.\nR:\nK:\nThat's probably true.\nR:\nAnd he said that he never said that.\nK:\nHold on a second and I will read it to you. I hope you understand\nthat I'm not dragging my feet. We just want to do what your\nPresident wants. The minute you give us the word, we will go\nto the Security Council. Have you talked to\n?\nR:\nYes, he has instructions not to move yet. There are other activities\ngoing on and must take orders from the Government.\nK:\nThink it is a good idea by tomorrow it will be more clear. I\nthink it is the Indians doing the attacking.\nR:\nNo doubt in my mind.\nK:\nAt 4:30 in the afternoon attacking the airfield\nR:\nThat I am convinced in my mind.\nK:\nI can't find it (the cable) right now in this mess of an operation\nI'm running. I will read you the text tomorrow.\nR:\nI said to him very clearly and he said he never said that.\nK:\nI will read you the text as soon as I can find it.\nR:\nCBS said something tonight that was most interesting which\nI protested. Marvin Kalb went on and said that Secretary Rogers\nhad summoned Ambassador Raza of the Pakistan Embassy and\nasked that Pakistan\nespecially with\nbrains built in the U.S.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nAmb. Raza/Mr. Kissinger\n7:00 p.m., December 3, 1971 -- page 2\nK:\nYou ought to call Sisco.\nR:\nI did and he said he had never seen the man's face. He was going\nto find out who said this. We never talked about planes or\n.\nK:\nYou never hear stories like this coming out of here.\nR:\nI know that.\nK:\nYou make sure I have every scrap of information that you pass on\nto the State Department.\nR:\nAll right.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelcon\nSecretary Sisco\nDec. 4, 1971; 9:15 m.\nS: I just talked to George Bush. I told him we want to be sure you\nunderstand what the President's posture is in the Security Council.\nK: Wait a minute. We haven't agreed to take it.\nS: I have given no word to anybody. Want you to understand we have\nit tilted toward Pakistan. President wants enough US leadership to\nshow we are not dragging our feet. But not enough we will be held\naccountable if the Security Council is held inactive.\nK: Exactly.\nS: I have given no instructions to George Bush. My reaction is this is\nan official reaction on the part of the Paks. Insofar as the changes in the\nresolution are concerned I am willing to take them on. One is going to\nprove difficult. We should take chances and try our best.\nK: I saw cable yesterday. We are going to let Bangla Desh people\nparticipate. We don't have to agree at all.\nS: We have not given any instructions. It hasn't come up. Let's talk\nabout it at 11:00 and find out whether it is going to occur. In the\nSecurity Council there is an article, Rule 22, where the Security\nCouncil want to consider a case hears individuals who something akin\nto experts. This is a rule that historically by precedent\nhas been used for the Council to hear people with information to provide\nwithout any implications of recognition. Let's talk about it at 11:00\nthis morning. I want to focus on it.\nK: Let me see whether I can reach the President. To see whether\nhe is willing to go ahead on the basis of this information.\nS: You should put this in the most positive terms\nK: My instinct is that he will go ahead. I think by noon he will have given\nhis authority.\nS: By noon?\nK: What difference does an hour or two make.\nS: We are now being criticized by the press and the radio.\nK: For 14 days we couldn't find out allegedly what was going on. There\nis no press going to appear for 24 hours.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n-2-\nS: Henry, OK, you do as you will. You don't want George to begin to\ncollect any guys\nK: I would like to give the President a chance at it. My recommendation\nis that of yours I think. We should go. I am practically sure by\n10:30 I will have gotten to the President.\nS: I think others are moving to the point where we will become submerged.\nK: The only policy with which you are connected is not the danger of\nbeing submerged.\nS: I mean the United States. I just sit here and take orders from you.\nThat's all I do.\nK: You son of a bitch. Goodbye.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelcon\nThe President\nDec 4, 1971; 10:50 m.\nP: How is the battle going today?\nK: On the matter we discussed last evening, how to handle getting it\nto the Security Council, we followed your instructions and it turned out\nto be exactly right. It appealed to Bill when he understood he would\nbe way out in front again.\nP: On the announcement?\nK: Yes. We have agreed to the day's line-up. Take it there about Noon.\nState will put out an announcement and Bush will call the Council.\nP: Good. Well, he took it without complaint?\nK: With agreement, so there is no problem.\nP: The more I thought about it it was the only way to happen. He is\na damn fool to go there. The State Department is trying to think of\na way for them to get credit. But you don't get credit except by\nsucceeding. I can see why they got Johnson in such a mess having them run\naround to all the countries. They don't understand this other thing.\nK: Absolutely.\nP: Anything new on the fighting itself?\nK: It is getting clear the Indians are the attackers.\nP: Is that getting through on the press?\nK: I am getting with the intelligence people at 11:00 and then getting\nScali to put it out.\nP: Turn Scali loose on this and on knocking the silly thing Church said\ndown.\nK: We have had an urgent appeal from Yahya. Says his military supplies\nhave been cut off - in very bad shape. Would we help through Iran.\nP: Can we help?\nK: I thinkif we tell the Iranians we will make it up txx to them we can do it.\nP: If it is leaking we can have it denied. Have it done one step away.\nDo you have to go through MacArthur to do it?\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n2\nK: I am studying the thing.\nP: That would not be safe.\nK: I can't give you an answer for a couple of hours.\nP: I like the idea. The main thing is to keep India from crumbling\nthem up.\nK: Russians have replied toxxxxx to letter. They thought there should\nbe a political solution first. Inconclusive. They wiklx are having a\ngood time. We have informed the Chinese last night we will probably\ngo to the Security Council. No problem with that.\nP: Good. Anything new on the Cambodian thing?\nK: I got a backchannel from Ladd. Some setbacks, but the annual thing\nand we should not panic on it. He put it into a much soberer context.\nHe said the situation has already eased and he says an occasional\nrocket attack aimed at the direction of the airport creates noise, but\nall the major elements of the North Vietnamese first division have been\nwithdrawn to face the new attack coming from Vietnam.\nP: Yes.\nK: He says we will get through this crisis and we should not get too excited.\nWe have to get some basic numbers across but will go slowly. He has\nbeen pretty eager in the past. I have told Moorer to push whatever can be done\non our side.\nP: Good. All right. Fine. Well we will go along those lines.\nThanks, k Henry.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nMr. Kissinger/Secretary Rogers\n11:05 a. m.\n12/4/71\nHAK: The President just called and I told him what we decided. He\nsaid okay.\nWR:\nGeorge said the Britians are cold because we are cancelling every-\nthing with the Pakistanians. I said this wasn't true.\nHAK:\nThat's right.\nWR: I think we are set\nHAK: The President was screaming he wants Church taken on.\nWR: I was going to take him on. We didn't understand why the\nPresident is so upset. It didn't get any play.\nHAK: The President saw it in the summaries - there was some play.\nWR: It never appeared except UPI Dispatch. We can rebuke Church.\nHAK: Let's wait .\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelcon\nDr. Hannah, AID\nDec. 4, 1971; 12:00 Noon\nH: On this agrucultural oil for wheat deal. Since this is what you\nand the President want done. Not done on Monday, let's have it\ndone today. Final negotiation for long period of time. No interest.\nNot get it mixed up with the other stuff.\nK: Yes.\nH: I told Maury put it on the A B basis. Not something you and the\nPresident have got to approve. You can veto it on Monday or Tuesday.\nK: OK, let's ** do it that way. Good idea.\nH: OK.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nThe President/Mr. Kissinger\n12:15 p.m. 12/4/71\nRN: Upon studying these reports on Pakistan--the main thing that\nneeds to be done is the Public relations side of it. As far as the\nWhite House, we are weaker than we should be. I want it to be\na necessity to get Scali turned loose on what we are doing--what we\nhave done and blame India. The \"Libs\" can say we brought this on\nby the arms support to Pakistan. That will be their argument. India\nwill be doing \"PR\" to make Pakistan look like it caused it. Get the\npoint?\nHAK: Yes\nRN: Be sure to give Scali free rein. He must understand it.\nHAK: I am setting out to do some background.\nRN: Let him be responsible about it. State should be pitching it.\nHAK: They are being very even handed--they are more interest in\nhow they look.\nRN: Well, I understand. When\nthought the Russians were responsible\nthey were loving it. The Indians are picking up on China's faults.\nHAK: This is the worse setback for twe weeks. We have known what\nis needed and couldn't get it down. We should have\nwhen\nthey started two weeks ago.\nRN: Going from here, this couldn't or can't go on long.\nHAK: India is now waging a full-scaled war on East Pakistan. India will\nbe then moving in on West Pakistan.\nRN: What other lines can we go--what about the Security Council.\nHAK: At the Security Council, the Indians and Soviets are going to\ndelay long enough SO a resolution can not be passed. If it was, the\nSoviets would veto. UN will be impotent. So the Security Council is\njust a paper exercise- it will get the Post and Times off our backs.\nAnd the Libs will be happy that we turned it over to the UN. The damage\nwon't show up for a few weekx years. At the moment we retrench around\nthe world, this proves that countries can get away with brutality.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nPage 2\nPresident/Kissinger\nRN: Now, what else?\nHAK: I think we should get off letters of credit worth 99M---that\nis underway. We should she not be giving any economic aid in India.\nWe gave 60% to economic development to India.\nRN: Say I want Scali to blame India.\nHAK: I'l 1 get Scali\nRN: Let's get some PR out on them--put the blame on India. It will\nalso take some blame off us.\nOur story about getting off militarily\ndidn't get much play. They will feel the economic one. We have got\nto help rebuild Pakistan.\nRN: Sure--major economic development for Pakistan in a month with\nwhen the smoke clears.\nRN: The U.S. cannot be responsible for maintaining peace every place\nin the world. We can use our influence, but may not always be success-\nful. American public will welcome that.\nHAK: We won't get blamed. Walters (Barbara) was in the other day\nand she asked about India/Pakistan and I gave her some facts. She said\nwhy not put it out, for god's sake. I couldn't get any of the bureaucrats\nto do it. We will put out the facts, Mr. President.\nXXX\nRN: Meantime, we assure that things will continue\nHAK: If war does continue, give aid via Iran.\nRN: Good, at least Pakistan will be kept from being paralized.\nHAK: It is the PR that ts the important thing Scali, Bush. We will put\nin a resolution asking for withdrawal and ceasefire.\nRN: How about sanctioning.\nHAK: No before we get it--we won't get it thru at all--the Soviets\nwill veto if it gets a majority. Now that Indian will occupy all of\nPakistan we will see xxxxxxxxx their real motives. If the East Benglas\nget\n,\nif they think Pakistan is brutal, wait till India gets them.\nIndia will push the Moslems into a much narrow area than they already have.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nPage 3\nPresident/Kissinger\nHAK: For all those reasons, the Indians will not run like injured\nvictims in six months.\nRN: Willthe press get point -- to talk as though the Indians are\nthe aggressors? Call Sisco and tell him to do the background\nand I expect to see it in the news summaries this evening.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelcon\nSecy Sisco\nDec. 4, 1971; 12:40 p.m.\nK: I have a raging President on my hands. Wants you to background\nthis afternoon. Tilt it clearly towards Pakistan. Wants statement\nwe had ready yesterday out.\nS: Does he know it's in George Bush's speech? Remember, you and I\nput it in the speech.\nK: Yes.\nS: I will do whatever I am told.\nK: The alternative is I will do it.\nS: The Secretary is here. If he has no k objection I will do it.\nK: We will transmit a Presidential Order without somebody saying the\nSecretary has no objection.\nS: What can I do. I am only an Assistant Secretary. I have got to\ngo up there if the Secretary agrees he will do it right away.\nK: He wants to make sure x the basic facts come out right away.\nS: This is why we put it in the George Bush speech. All the changes\nlast night we have edited including that one very strong paragraph where\nyou said war isn't the answer. I thought it was excellent.\nK: OK. Well, now.\nS: One or two things. Call the Secretary, or if you want me to go\nupstairs\nK: Let me call the Secretary.\nS: You will call him. OK.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nSecretary Rogers/Mr. Kissinger\n2:05 12/4/71\nWR: In order to try to fiture out where we are--the President has\nissued a statement out of Key Biscayne.\nHAK: He has?\nWR: Zeigler has said \"has ordered us to do this' I have got to\nget a better understanding of this.\nHAK: I haven't seen anything on the ticker.\nWR: Take a look at the ticker.\nWR:\nHAK: I will get it. / There is no election on our part to do what\nhe wants.\nWRX HAK: Let me look at it. I will call you back\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nAmbassador Bush/Dr. Kissinger\n12/4/71 2:30 p.m.\nHAK: What time is the Security Council meeting?\nGB: Five o'clock. We just came from a meeting of non-permanent\nmembers and the permanent members. There was an open clash\nbetween the Soviets and the People's Republic of China.\nHAK: Don't get in the way of the clashing.\nGB: The Russians wasnt a defined\non question of East Pakistan,\nbut China said it would not tolerate any internal affairs. PRC phrased\nthe question of India/Pakistan.\nGB: This needs some thought Henry. Circulating around are repre-\nsentatives of Bengla Desh saying they are representatives of the\ngovernment of Bengla Desh and are requesting to be heard. There is\na certain way that they can be heard as individuals\nHAK: Clearly resist it. We can abstain if they come in as individuals.\nGB: Before our statement we will have a fight as to whom will be\nrepresented and then we will make our statement.\nHAK: We have put out a statement at Key Biscayne to give you a little\nto lean on.\nGB: Will you be around tonight?\nHAK: Yes, either Haig or me. You will call me - What about the meeting\non Monday?\nGB: Therexwilkhexk It will be all right. They want to do it.\nHAK: Just keep in close step with us.\nGB: We have no feeling as to what they want.\nHAK: The President is delighted with how we are working so closely.\nGB: What about this if we can get a majority vote what can we support--\nwhat about a resolution on withdrawal and ceasefire?\nHAK: That is okay.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nAmbassador Bush/Mr. Kissinger\nGB:\nWe will get some release on that. I think the resolution is\nvery good.\nHAK: I do too, If the Russians and Chinese want to fight, let them at\neach other.\nGB: These people are not reluctant to take them on.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nVorontsov/Kissinger\n4:55 p.m. - 12/5/71\nV:\nHello.\nK:\nI am sorry to call you on a Sunday, but I was just talking to the\nPresident to report our conversation and I mentioned that at the\nend of our conversation you said that in a week or so it will be\nover and he said that he would like you to report to Moscow that\nin a week or so it may be ended but it won't be over as far as we\nare concerned if it continues to take the present trend.\nV:\nYes.\nH:\nHe wants it to be clear that we are at a watershed in our relation-\nship if it continues to go on this way.\nV:\nI understand.\nH:\nWe cannot accept that any country would take unilateral actions\nlike that.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified."
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