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TELCON (AT HOME)
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The President/Mr. Kissinger
May 14, 1972
P:
The thing is if something like that could be out before this silly
vote on Tuesday, it would be helpful. Oh, well, I think we just
say the hell with the vote and let these guys get out on a limb.
K:
I think
P:
What do you think?
K:
I think that's it exactly.
P:
I was just thinking back over the whole record and except for the
time we went to China, when they were all slobbering around, by
God, we haven't had the support of the Congress. Now let's face it.
K:
Mr. President, I don't think we should try anything to affect the vote
because if we say something about negotiations, they will immediately
add so many conditions --
P:
That's right.
K:
That they do the negotiating for us.
P:
I'd just leave them very, very much in doubt.
K:
Because if this thing starts again.
P:
Um-humm.
K:
I mean, I think this time before we start the negotiations, we should
get an assurance that there will be some progress.
P:
Oh, absolutely. Incidentally, I think they'11 give you one.
K:
I think SO too.
P:
If they can't, you can just say there's either be that or it's to the finish.
We're ready to go.
K:
Well, there is so much --
P:
And they also must be having a feeling that we are -- I tell you I was
just thinking back here today of the shock they had when they had -- the
Madame Binh conversation, you know, I was just reading it again.
When we did the original bombing in Hanoi/Haiphong --
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