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TELCON (AT HOME)
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The President/Mr. Kissinger
May 14, 1972
K:
The only thing we could consider is an exploratory meeting with
Le Duc Tho but I will make a recommendation tomorrow morning.
I'd like to see the Note just to see what it is they are proposing.
P:
Yeah.
K:
We've had the advantage over them -- so far we have gained from
all these meetings, not in negotiations but we've always had them
off balance.
P:
I know. Oh, I know; I think they've all been worthwhile. And, for
example, as I said your trip to Moscow was indispensable. Gee,
State and those people just haven't the slightest (laughter). That was
the key to the whole thing.
K:
Because it showed us how they were panting after the summit.
P:
That's right. As a matter of fact, it only makes us wonder whether
we were a little bit too pessimistic on the 20/80 business.
K:
Yeah.
P:
Of course, as you know, to me it didn't make any difference. It could
have been 5/95, we still
K:
Mr. President, the point was -- I may have felt 10% more optimistic
but I didn't think one had the responsibility of letting you do it --
P:
Particularly, when all your experts, including Helms.
K:
Right.
P:
He was
K:
Well, he was 100% sure.
P:
You said that Helms was ready to have a heart-attack, wasn't he ?
K:
Oh, Helms was carrying on. Helms was actually emotional.
P:
What's he going to do now? What's he saying now?
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