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Secy. Peterson/Mr. Kissinger
October 16, 1972, 10:32 am
P:
Three things I want to be sure we are coordinated on; one,
on this interest rate thing, Hal tells me you've completed that,
is that right, on the basis we discussed.
K:
No, no, no. I've, god damn it. I think he
P:
I got the impression that you'd reviewed it with--
K:
I mentioned it to Dobrynin as a thought, I didn't give hi;m any
figures.
P:
Oh, I see.
K:
And he is waiting for you--he said he thought it was a reasonable
idea. I told Hal to tell you on Saturday, God damn him, I have
not completed it. You told me not to complete it.
P:
No, I thought you ;had more or less worked it out at 4% and
$710, and that was fine with me if that was the deal. You have
not done that.
K:
No, Hal want ed to say start at 5 and go down, and I said, No,
I don't want more than 4.
P:
Right. Okay. But 4 and 710, if the numbers are right is fine
with you.
K:
Right, not more than that.
P:
Above 4 it starts hurting them, not too badly it seems to me.
K:
Right.
P:
All right. Second --well I'm glad weve had it, because I saw
Alkimov and Patolichev last ni;ght and they didn't seem to
know anything, so okay. Now, as I understand, you do not
want an announcement tomorrow, you want it Wednesday.
K:
That's correct.
P:
All right. Now, Henry, my signals on the Maritime deal were
SO unbelievably confused that I want to hear it from you. Whether
the President would be involved or not involved.
K:
think on this one, the President probably wants to be involved.
P:
I woul d think SO. Now, therefore, that suggests the ceremon;y
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