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The President/Mr. Kissinger - 6 - 7:59 p.m., February 5, 1973 K: Right. P: Don't you think so ? you pull him out of State to Camp David, that will just send everybody right up the wall. K: Well, I think it's the fact that my seeing him is going to drive people up the wall. P: But if you': re in New York Well, I know I see your point, yeah. K: It may be hard to pull off Camp David now because that's been an official invitation -- I mean, that they already know. But we could discuss it with the people who are arranging their meetings. P: Yeah, yeah. You mean, you think that you've got a problem in seeing him at all at Camp David because of the State thing, huh? K: No, I have a problem So far it hasn't surfaced in the State yet. I won't have trouble seeing him at Camp David. I don't think State P: I don't think we ought to have -- Basically, the official thing really concerns me. Well, if you see him secretly at Camp David, that's going to surface just as sure as hell. K: Oh, no, that's going -- In either case, it's going surface. In either case, it has to be announced. The only point is one spins off the official visit and has the advantage that it keeps some of the heat on State for having him here. The other at least keeps State out of it until we know what we're doing. There's no chance at keeping it secret when you're dealing with Egyptians. P: I'm inclined to letting him go over and see State under those circumstances and just try to control it as well as we can, and then see him. But under those circumstances, you should see him in New York and not at Camp David though. I kinda like that a little better. But they know that you've invited them to Camp David. K: Yeah, that's the problem, Mr. President. It may be tough to do now. P: Well, it's not easy is it? K: Well, I don't think State or anyone else cares whether I see him in Camp David or some other place.

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