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TELCON
June 26, 1973
Mr. Kissinger - James Keat
9:20 a. m.
K: Hello?
Kt: Dr. Kissinger, Jim Keat of the Baltimore Sun.
K: Yes, how are you?
Kt: Fine. I'm most intrigued by the lack of information about the Middle
East and I understand there are considerable constraints on what you can
say but I was just wondering if you could discuss whether you got any feeling
that there is any further give in the Soviet position as opposed to about
a year or six months ago. Is there any prospect of further movement with
their cooperation.
K: Well, we're talking on the deep background basis.
I think everybody is constrained by their allies, but I think that probably
there is a willingness to undertake some reaxamination but I don't where it
will lead for a little bit.
Kt: Now, you say, everybody is constrained by their allies, do you indicate
by that that the Russians still consider the Egyptians their allies? What the
nature
K: Well, I think they have a major stake in the Arab world, if not formally
by alliances. They have a stake in Iraq. They are concerned about their
basic position in the Arab world. Whether they are technically allies or not.
Kt: Uh huh. Well, does this leave them latitude to decide that a settlement
in which there must be a good amount of giving on both sides is in their
interest?
K: Well, that is of course the big problem. Whether there is enough give
on both sides
to permit this. And, that we will totally see in the next
month.
Kt: Well, do you look for anything specific in the next few months?
K: I think we'll have to have some more exchanges before we can be sure
about that.
Kt:; What about your reading of Brezhnev personally now, as opposed to May '72.
K: Well, in May 1972 he was very anxious to show that it was a collective
leadership, partly, perhaps to split the blame about seeing us after the bombing.
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