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TELECON DobryninKissinger October 27, 1973 12:20 p. m. D. The Security Council meeting, not official but closed, This is substance of version. they talked but Malik considered your reply of let's have 20 or 25. Malik said why should we. We want to send 70. 70 is quite all right with us. On the whole the figure on the observers- counted 118 observers including your side--is not very much. Altogether the U.S. and Canada have more than 100-120 what he asked. Scali did not answer this and Malik is waiting for a reply. K. Let me tell you what our problem is. If you read the President's letter, he said to the General Secretary if you accept this idea we should get together and discuss numbers. The next thing you have sent 70 people in there. D. We mentioned that to you. K. The point is we never had a chance to express our view that 70 was the right number. If you agreed to the idea, then our representa- tives would get together immediately to work out modality. We think 70 is too large. D. Out of 2000 people there K. Wait a moment. D. after 2000 observers. Around that, I don't recall exactly. More than 100 of yours and we haven't a single Russian there. We went 70 to make a voice. You already have more than us. Just to make a point that you are tough. What are you trying to do with that point ? K. Let's not go in one week from cooperation to proving how tough we are. D. What is your point? What are you asking now ? To scale down 70 to 20 or you do not accept? We don't see any harm because you have a lot of people. You could match it. What is the difference, but that it should be the figures you gave us? What is the logic? K. How about having 51, you have 26 and we have 25. You are stronger. D. If you like, we can have 70 and you can send Scali and Somebody else. We don't mind.

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