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    "ocrText": "DOCUMENT WITHDRAWAL RECORD [NIXON PROJECT]\nDOCUMENT\nDOCUMENT\nNUMBER\nTYPE\nSUBJECT/TITLE OR CORRESPONDENTS\nDATE\nRESTRICTION\n1\nTclcon\nHAK and Brent Scowcroft ( (p.)\n12/3/73\nB\nSANITIZED\nIA\nTelcon\nHAK and Clarance Felly 12 pp.)\n12/4/73\nA\nSANITIZED\nP\nTcleon\nHAK and J. William Fulbright (2pp)\n12/5/73\nB\nSANITIZED\n5\nTelcon\nHAK and Brent Scoweroft (1p.)\n12/7/73\nB\nSANITIZED\nFILE GROUP TITLE\nBOX NUMBER\nkissinger Transcripts Telephone Conversations\n24\nFOLDER TITLE\n1973 3-7 Dec.\nRESTRICTION CODES\nA. Release would violate a Federal statute or Agency Policy.\nE. Release would disclose trade secrets or confidential commercial or\nB. National security classified information.\nfinancial information.\nC. Pending or approved claim that release would violate an individual's\nF. Release would disclose investigatory information compiled for law\nrights.\nenforcement purposes.\nD. Release would constitute a clearly unwarranted invasion of privacy\nG. Withdrawn and return private and personal material.\nor a libel of a living person.\nH. Withdrawn and returned non-historical material.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nNATIONAL ARCHIVES AND RECORDS ADMINISTRATION\nS.GPO:1989-235-084/00024\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nNA 14021 (4-85)\nTelcon\nSecretary Kissinger\nJoe Sisco\n12/3/73; 8:17 a.m.\nK: Hello, Joe.\nS: Good morning, Henry.\nK: How are you?\nS: Fine, thank you. I am going to be on my way to the Hill because I\nam substituting for Ken Rush this morning who went off, as you know,\non that delegation.\nK: Yeah. I hope you make a strong case.\nS: Well, I hope so. I've looked over all the testimony and so on.\nK: Joe, have you seen the Gelb article in the NEW YORK TIMES?\nS: No, I haven't.\nK: Well, there is too much palavering in the Department and I am not\nRogers.\nS: Yeah. What does he have to say? I don't know Les Gelb.\nK: That we are going to lean on Israel. That the settlement we made\nin Cairo had previously been worked out with Mrs. Meir.\nS: Who does he know in the Department?\nK: That is had been done between the President and Mrs. Meir, which\nis totally -- total crap to begin with.\nS: Of course it is.\nK: Yeah, but you know what that is going to do for us in Cairo. That I\nthen went through a charade of defending the Israelis might not accept.\nS: Certainly, it affects your credibility.\nK: Well, I am going to hold Bureau Chiefs responsible from now on for\nleaks out of their shops. I cannot operate this way.\nS: What sort of contacts does he have in the Department?\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelcon\nSecretary Kissinger\nJoe Sisco\n12/3/73; 8:17 a. m.\n-2-\nK: I don't know.\nS: Yeah. Well look, Henry, I was about to call you on my personal\nsituation. And Jean is right here because we have been up, frankly all\nnight. And we have concluded, Henry, that while I am very grateful\nfor the offer but we can't accept it. We have a further talk with the\ndoctor -- remember after my call on Saturday -- and we have concluded\nthat from all points of view and particularly from the point of view of\nsome of the considerations that I outlined to you a week ago, that we\nhad better just go right on dn stay with the decision. It's been a very\ndifficult decision. The only reason I was willing to reconsider is\nbecause frankly of the challenge and excitement of working with you.\nBut, we've thought it all over and there are just some very, very\nstrong considerations that aren't reversible at the present time.\nK: Well, I am sorry to hear that. Joe, can we talk this afternoon\nafter your testimony?\nS: Sure. Be glad to.\nK: Let's talk about it.\nS: All right. Good.\nK: Thank you.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nSenator Scott/Secretary Kissinger\nDecember 3, 1973\n12:17 pm\nS:\nhave just gotten back from touring the Arab countries and he is\nholding off a press conference til tomorrow afternoon. He would like\nto give you his impressions. he has visited with Faisal and most\nof the Arab countries. I think it would be good for you to talk with him\nK: What senator?\nS: Senator McClure of Idaho. He has just returned.\nK: I'll call him this afternoon.\nS: I;11 just put him on so you can meet him.\nK: I don't have my schedule in front of me.\nS: Well, let me put him on SO you can meet him.\nK: Hello Senator.\nM: Hello, Mr. Secretary. I know how busy your calendar must be, but\nI wanted.\nK: I would like to see you on Wednesday, that would be best for me because\nof the Ceausescu visit, but you wished to see me before your press\ncarference, didn't you?\nM: Yes, that would be most helpful.\nK: Can we call your office and see if we can have 15 minutes someti me\ntomorrow?\nM: Fine. I'll be available anytime and on a moment's notice.\nEND\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nMr. Kliendienst/Secretary Kissinger\nDecember 3, 1973\n2:45 pm\nK: I recently returned from the Algerian government, so I am now\nrecognised as a fo reign agent\nto your graciousness to see those\ntwo Arab potentates in your office. One thing I know they would like\nis to have an informal meeting with the President. is that something\nyou would recommend.\nHAK: Not easily. We don't want to get into a position where we are\nblackmailed by the Arabs.\nK : Do you think they would use that as an opportunity to.\nHAK: Yes, but let's see what they are going to say to me.\nK: Good. They'll be here all week. Let's see if they behave\nthemselves with you.\nHAK: It is not a question of that. It is a question of what they say.\nK: What shoul d I tell them?\nHAK: You say there is a question as to whether the President\nwill be able to see them\nK: And then after you see them on Wednesday, you'll give me a ring.\nHAK: yes.\nEND\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nMr. Kleindeinst - Secretary Kissinger\nDecember 3, 1973\n2:45 p.m.\nK: I just want to read one paragraph\nI'm going to give it tomorrow\nat the briefing. The last paragraph of my speech for the press briefing\nstrong government leadership, first, second, continuing cooperation\nof the American people, and then talk about how they respond this way\nputs\nnever again be open to economic blackmail by any economic\npowe ragain.\nK: I would say economic and political blackmail.\nK: Well, I wasn't going to get into you baliwick, I wanted to save you\nthe trouble of buying white gloves for me.\nK: You know that now Will Donaldson is handling the energy thing for\nmehere.\nK: Yes, of course, I talked to Willie this morning and we are going\nto get together very early.\nK; I think you and I ought to talk before I go off to the European thing,\ntoo. If I canoffer them some cooperation on energy matters and I\ncan say \"look you freaks, you go alone and you are dead, you cooperate\nwith us and here is what can come along further down the road. \"\nK: Okay, let me do something about that. I will be prepared to bounce\na few things off your head later on this week. I will meet with Bill\nDonaldson and\nK: You know Bill I wasn't totally innocent on your appointment, but\nI was delighted tohear about it.\nK: Aren't you nice, Henry. I will surely try to justify that, too.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nGeorge Vest - Secretary Kissinger\nDecember 3, 1973\n2:49 p.m.\nK: Did you! have a chance to make the thing about the income tax?\nV: I did indeed.\nK: How did they react.\nV: A number of them made notes. Idon't know what they may carry\nbut there wasn't a crack of any kind whatsoever.\nK: Good.\nV: I had to blow up a little bit last week on this. It was poinsonous\nthe way they were acting.\nK: They understood this was not produced by the questions but\nV: No, no, I volunteered it absolutely.\nK: But you made it clear that the decision was made before that.\nV: Quite clear. I said it was your stated policy and procedure\napplied in the past for all situation before this for prizes you had\nreceived, etc.\nK: Fine, thank you.\nV: No, no question about that sir.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nMr. Sonnenfeldt/Secretary Kissinger\nDecember 3, 1973\n2:52\nS: I wanted to see where go in the light of what Waters has had to\nsay and you have a thing from Schmidt that you can pick up.\nK: I think we should give Schmidt a try. The French we do nothing\nwith.\nS: The issue with the French is\nK: On the basis of what\nthey responded as before.\nS: They did on the Middle East and alot of nonsense I dont' know\nwhat we did on the military side\nto take stock of that part of the\nproblem.\nK: I want Jobert to take me on.\nS: Yes. On the German side you need to consider if you want to use\nthat channel and in what form. I haven't been able to get details on\nwhat Schmidt said to him\nI don't think\nK: Why don't you do a letter to Schmidt and say the situation is\nserious and if he wants to come over I would be glad to discuss it with\nhim\nYou saw how the British covered\nS: Yes\nand they' re eager to talk to you. I don't know if there\nis a change in substance\nK: Well I couldn'\nS: No, no, but on the substantive side, nothing in this correspondence\nthat changes.\nK:\nDo a draft and I am thinking of announcing your appointment on\nThursday.\nS: OK\nI don't mean to bug you on the Ditchly thing, but\nK: I told Larry that I am against it.\nS: OK. The problem is in the Embassy. got involved but I can turn it off.\nK: OK\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nClarence Kelly - Secretary Kissinger\nDec. [1973]\nK: I have been using the Secretary Service and we are talking about\nswitching to the State Department. I wondered whether you could\ngive me your opinion. I am not\nI am more prominent in the\npublic eye as Secretarys usually are and\nK: If you will let me have a day or so, I will give you an opinion.\nWhat about your own.\nK: My own, you mean opinion? I 'tknow, I've never seen the\nState Department security people operate. My abstract view is\nthat given the fact that they have only the Secretary to protect and\nno one else, they haven't had as much\ntheir experience level\nmust be lower. I don't want to prejudice it, though. I have kept\nthe Secretar Service up tilnow, but\nK: Let me have a day or possibly two, I will make some inquiries\nSO I can give you a good opinion.\nK: If you could do that I would abide by your opinion.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nForeign Minister Rabasa - Secretary Kissinger\nDecember 3, 1973\n4:15 p.m.\nR: I wanted to talk with you to see if its suitable for you. I am\nthinking of making the meeting in Febrary, the 17th to the 24th,\non the understanding that the 17th, a Sunday, the Foreign Ministers\nwould arrive to discuss whatever they have to discuss and propose\nwhatever they wish on the 18th, 19th and 20th and then if you could\nbe SO kind as to arrive for the 21st, 22nd and 23rd and go back to\nyour business on the 24th.\nK: OK.\nR: We are not sure but we are now going to go ahead, but whether\nit will be Mexico City or Acapulco. Acapulco blas problems.\nK: It has problems ?\nR: Well, it has problems with water, there isn't enough water, and\nother things. We would have to make a big investment and it would\nbe an unnatural thing.\nK: Well, it's entirely up to you.\nR: Thank you Henry. The only thing to be sure\nI am going to\nwrite the Foreign Ministers and the Ambassadors. it is all right\nfor you to arrive the evening of the 20th and leave the 24th, or leave\nwhenever you wish.\nK: Are you telling me I have to leave right after\n?\nR: No, no, you can stay as long as you please, 1 month, 4 months\nK: Thank you, I am thinking of working with people I like.\nR: Henry, I received the photo from McBride but the one I would like\nis the one taken when you were still here in Mexico.\nYou know the\none, we are sort of embracing.\nK: I will get it for you.\nR: So, I am going to officially say you have accepted to stay with\nus the 21st, 22nd and 23rd, leaving whenever you want. Thank you\nvery much and a big embrasso. Please tell me exactly how you are\narriving SO I can be there to meet you. It will give me a fine excuse\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n2.\nto pass New Year's eve in Acapulco. I'm not going to bother you,\nbut\nK: You couldn't bother me. I am delighted.\nR: I will be calling you.\nsdd: 12/4/73\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nDobrynin/Secretary Kissinger\nDecember 3, 1973\n5:07 PM\nD: You're back.\nK: Back from where? I have been back all day.\nD: But you were in New York.\nK: That's true.\nD: Well, I received several telegrams from Moscow. It is alright\nfrom my government for Stoessel to be Ambassador to my country.\nIt is official but I haven't announced.\nK: Good. We will probably announce on Wednesday.\nD: Secondly, on about the Middle East. Between our Ambassador and\nyour representative\nserious talk. I would like to tell you the\nfollowing.\nThere are some complications in the Middle East. We shall agree that\nMiddle East conference should be started without delay, as planned. We\nhave expressed this already to Sadat and are expressing it today. What\nwe are bothered by is this in connection with fulfillment of the Security\nCouncil resolution and agreement reached with your help.\nThey\nbelieve in Cairo thatthe Government refused to implement Security\nCouncil resolution and arrangements made with your help. Moreover,\nIsrael\nin course of negotiations on military level\nfrom their\nown proposals on November 24 in accordancewith point two of November 11.\nFirst they proposed to withdraw from West Bank but now on the 29th the\nIsraeli representative says no. The first proposal is exempt from\nThe Egyptians are very angry and as\npersonally involved in\nworking out point two In moscow they hope U.S. will exercise imple -\nmentation with that kind of arrangement.\nK: What kind of arrangement?\nD: Well, point two\nto move in some direction.\nK: We are willing to do this as soon as conference starts.\nD: But Egyptians are telling us that nothing has happened. Israel\nproposed to have a conference without doing anything on point two.\nWait till peace conference. So we hope maybe you\nexpert influence.\nWe agree with the Middle East conference\nshould be started without\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\ndelay and we mentioned firmly to Sadat, but take into account the\nanger felt by the Arabs and position not observed by Israel\npossibility of military operation and we share with you the concern\nthat that is to happen.\nat the same time we feel this policy of\nIsrael makes it difficult\nwe believe\nshould do what is possible\nto encourage implementation of Security Council resolution and we\nhopetthis conference will commense\ngiven time and\nshould really\ntake place, but we want you to know our concerns.\nK: Well,\nD: What is your impression?\nK: My frank opinion is that given the election we\nto have rapid\nmovement before they\nand we could\nat some point that\nreally is over, you know that.\nD: I know.\nK: Let's talk about itaagain on Wednesday.\nD: OK\nK: It is only a question of a few weeks difference.\nD: Could you arrange some movement.\nK: I'll see what I can do. We are working closely as soon as\nconference starts. No sense in doing unless there was going to be\nsome progress.\nD: That is the point.\nno\nmovement. But there has got to be some\nmovement. I will mention to Moscow that you will more or less\nthere\nwill be some movement.\nK: I am not sure from them but I am sure from us.\nD: Yes.\nK: I have to runn off to New York.\nD: Again?\nK: There is a dinner Rockeferrer is giving tonight.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nD: Are you trying to elect him?\nK: What could give you that\nD: Maybe you support him and when it comes to 76.\nK: Why should I do something\nI will probably be going to the\nMiddle East.\nD: We hear from Syrians they give you a positive reply.\nK: It hasn't reached here yet. I am waiting to see Sisco maybe he\nhas something. They give us a positive reply in principle but not\nthe date.\nD: They mention.\nreceived from Damascus.\nK: Anaytoly, I must run.\nD: You are going to Cairo and Damascus.\nK: and to Amman and Tel Aviv and Beirut for an hour. I'll be\nback tonight, and I'll call you tomorrow.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nGeneral Scowcroft - Secretary Kissinger\nDecember 3, 1973\n5:20 p.m.\nS:\nstrong veto signal in the letter to Albert.\nK: This morning.\nS: What concerns me is that it reduces Jackson's flexibility and the\nwill gripe about\nK: Oh, come on, come on. If you want to raileroad the bill through, go\nahead and do it. The President said this morening, a strong veto signal\nAlbert told me the only difference between now and January is that Ullman\nwants his name on it and he won't be chaiman of the committee then\nand he wants his name on it.\nS: Well, that's the first I have heard about Albert.\nK: That's what he told me, I can't judge that, but you ask Shultz\nif the agreement this morning wasn't that there be a strong veto\nsignal.\nS: Nobody is putting pressure on us, I just wanted to see if we might\nbe reducing our chances.\nK: The only way you can get Jackson to comprosie is if he things\nthere will be a veto, it may make a little harder to pass the bill, even\nthat\nS: Halwouldlike to say something.\nK: God dammit, we used to runthese things through without running\nitilike a Polish parliament. How about John Lehman, he seems to\nbe getting into the act all the time now, too.\nSonnenfeldt: There are someohter considerations. The AFL wants\nthe bill killed. If you tell them you are going to veto an unacceptable\nbill, they will get behind it. And the Russians, even if you mention their\nname in an invidious manner, we are committeed to the Russians, we\nare committed to use the veto.\nK: Wehaven't commited ourselves to the Russians. We are committed\nto the Congress.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n2.\nS: But things have been said to the Russians.\nK: They've been said already. Listen you will just have to hold the\nletter overnight. I have meetings I must attend and I have to get to\nthe airport.\nS: OK.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nNIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS PROJECT\nDOCUMENT CONTROL RECORD\nITEM REMOVED FROM THIS FILE FOLDER\nSANITIZED\nA RESTRICTED DOCUMENT OR CASE FILE HAS BEEN REMOVED FROM\nTHIS FILE FOLDER. FOR A DESCRIPTION OF THE ITEM REMOVED\nAND THE REASON FOR ITS REMOVAL, CONSULT DOCUMENT ENTRY\nNUMBER\n/\nON EITHER THE DOCUMENT WITHDRAWAL RECORD\n(GSA FORM 7292 OR NA FORM 1421) OR NARA WITHDRAWAL SHEET\n(GSA FORM 7122) LOCATED IN THE FRONT OF THIS FILE FOLDER.\nA sanitized copy substituted for an original item which\nContains information restricted under the Privacy Act.\nNATIONAL ARCHIVES AND RECORDS ADMINISTRATION\nNLN FORM 101 (revised 6-85)\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nGeneralScowcroft - Secretary Kissinger\n12/3/73\n5:35 p.m.\nH: Just heard from the Saudis, itscoming over but I wanted to catch\nyou before you left. Fahmi has agreed in principle that Eahad\nshould visit prior to the 8thbf December,\nSANITIZED\nK: Oh, tell him to come on.\nSANITIZED\nK: Tell him to come by the 6th OK?\nH: Right.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelcon\nSecretary Kissinger\nSenator Mansfield\n12/4/73; 9:44 a. m.\nK: Hello.\nM: Good morning, Henry.\nK: How are you, Senator?\nM: Fine. How was the dinner last night?\nK: Oh, it was very nice. Really very good.\nM: What time did you get back this morning?\nK: We got back after midnight.\nM: Yeah.\nK: And I liked your telegram.\nM: I am sorry I couldn't make it but I got a cold, too.\nK: I liked what you said - - whatever I won't tell you, you were sure Scott\nwould. (Laughter)\nM: As a tribute to your sagacity and to Scott's volubleness. (Laughter)\nHenry, what we were talking about the other day -- how about sometime in\nMarch?\nK: Fine. That's a good time.\nM: Could you ask Winston if he is free to come down at a time that is\nconvenient to him today SO that we could discuss a little in the way of\ndetails.\nK: Absolutely.\nM: Would he let me know?\nK: I will tell him to call your office.\nM: Okay.\nK: I am at the White House right now waiting for the Ceausescu arrival.\nM: Oh.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelcon\nSecretary Kissinger\nSenator Mansfield\n12/4/73; 9:44 a. m.\n- 2 -\nK: But I will get Winston to call you.\nM: And will you get the wheels going?\nK: I will get it going.\nM: Okay, boss.\nK: Thank you, Senator.\nM: Fine, Henry.\nK: Bye.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nNIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS PROJECT\nDOCUMENT CONTROL RECORD\nITEM REMOVED FROM THIS FILE FOLDER\nSANITIZED\nA RESTRICTED DOCUMENT OR CASE FILE HAS BEEN REMOVED FROM\nTHIS FILE FOLDER. FOR A DESCRIPTION OF THE ITEM REMOVED\nAND THE REASON FOR ITS REMOVAL, CONSULT DOCUMENT ENTRY\nNUMBER /A ON EITHER THE DOCUMENT WITHDRAWAL RECORD\n(GSA FORM 7292 OR NA FORM 1421) OR NARA WITHDRAWAL SHEET\n(GSA FORM 7122) LOCATED IN THE FRONT OF THIS FILE FOLDER.\nA sanitized copy substituted for an original item which\nContains information restricted under the Privacy Act.\nNATIONAL ARCHIVES AND RECORDS ADMINISTRATION\nNLN FORM 101 (revised 6-85)\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nClarence Kelly - Secretary Kissinger\nDecember 4, 1973\n5:00 p.m.\nKelly: I have looked over the matter you talked with me about and I\nW ould like to review a. few points with you. I find it is pretty well common\nknowledge that there is no actual authority for the Secretary Service to\nserve you in this capacity.\nK: But that we could get done with the Congress.\nKelly: Yes, that can be done. The State Department does have the\nstatutory provisions. The Secret Service does not have accessible to\nthem some resources the State Department has but the Secretary Service\nhas a great deal of expertise. I might also mention that the Secretar\nService being used to guard you may on some future occasion give some-\nwhat of a morale problem. Dalso find that possibly the Secret Service\nwill be somewhat reluctant to continue without some indication that they\nare going to be a permanent part of your entourage.\nK: Well, I am assuming that I could get these administrative things\ncleared away with the President if you advised me it was the better\nthing to do.\nKelly: What I said to General Haig when he called in September, did\nyou know he called me?\nK: Yes, I did know, but I never asked for his report since I decided\nto keep the Secret Service for awhile.\nKelly: What I would suggest is that you have a trial period to sort of\nintegrate the two.\nK: The Secret Service won't do that.\nKelly: Will not do that?I understood that for the last week or two you\nhad been trying\nK: They will do it as long as they are in charge If they were put in charge\nthe Secret Service wouldn't mind having the State Department with them,\nbut finish your recommendation.\nKelly: I would suggest you do try to get them to integrate. That would\nget the State Department addition experience, and more importantly I\nthink the crucial matter is that you may be able to become a little\nmore confident in the State Department people. You have to make up\nyour own mind what you want , and I do feel very d efinitely you are\nthe person to be satisfied.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\na\n2.\nK: I have no clear criteria. Unless som thing goes wrong they all\nlook successful.\nKelly: Well, it is a.pretty good judge of performance how well they\nare doing the job. I understand the State people have been in the\nbusiness of protecting the Secretary of State and frankly they both\nare very competent. I do think the crucial point is that you get\nthe confidence in them/by seeing them in operation. In the course\nof my many years in the business I have seen the Secret Service\noperate and they are very competent. And, overseas I understand\nthe State people are very competent. You've really got sort of the\nbest of both worlds almost in this combination. I was hopeful that\nteam of\nyou could SANITIZED two of them to work together. With a\nof the State people and still leave\nit in charge of the Secret Service. I do understand that, though I\nC ouldn't say absolutely, that the State people would work under this\ntype of arrangement. And your feeling is the same as mine, that\nyou must be comfortable. I would recommend to you that you try\nthat and see how it works out. The morale problem is one that you\nshould keep in mind, too.\nK: In terms of competence you think the State Department is competent too.\nKel;ly: I do. I suggest you have a combination for awhile, give State\nan opportunity. I feel you have great confidence in the Secret Service\nisn't that true?\nK: Yes, and I am used to them.\nKelly: I have had situations where I have had to had some people who\nmight guard me, I know it is important to know they are competent. I\nthink you will get that competence and if you saw some of these people\nwork, talk with them a little bit, you might see great competence. The\nman who is in charge of the State Depar tment security is a former FBI agent,\nhis name is Gentile, and I have talked with him in the past and he knows\nwhat's going on.\nK: Well, thank you, I appreciate the care you have taken.\nK: I was really glad to be of service and I hop you won't hestiate to call\non me again if I can do anything for you.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nAmbassador Dinitz/Secretary Kissinger\nDecember 4, 1973\n5:13 PM\nD: Mr. Secretary, I'm sorry to disturb you, but there are two matters\nI should like to bring to your attention.\nK: Yes?\nD: The first is the situation on the ground. The tendency that we have\nbeen continuing\nK: I wouldn't say you're going to launch an attack.\nD: We have information that two Egyptian destroyers left the Port of\nAden. In light of this we have moved our boats that were\nto pass\nthrought\nK: I wouldn't have done it.\nD: This is exactly the question, if you are recommending that we will\ncontinue\nK: Look, I'm not insane-- -not the way things are leaking in Jerusalem\nand here.\nD: One boat did pass--not with the Israeli flag, but B\nsheba (sp?)\nWe slowed down.\nK: Slowed down? That's no expression. You're just making yourself\nlook very nervous.\nD: Only reason we do this--you know the reports are ominous, and\nas you know, this is the same source that predicted accurately the last\nencounter. And the other item that I have has to do with the conversation\nthat you had with Mr. Shaleb last night.\nK: That was just a suggestion.\nD: I have some remarks on this I thought I should pass it to you, and\nI thought we maybe could see each other.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nK: It is out of the question today. I'm trying to find half an hour\nto work on a speech I have to give.\nD: The suggestion is that we would be willing to accept the suggestion\nK: My honest judgment is you should have pushed the GD ship\nthrough.\nD: We are prepared to make an inventory of all our proposals\nK: Let me understand. You are prepared to go back 2 kilomaters?\nD: No, we didn't say that. We are prepared for a unilateral withdrawal\nthat would have to be marked on a map.\nK: Can I get an idea? 200 yards -- a kilometer ?\nD: It all depends on the area. There would be places that might be\neven more than a kilometer.\nK: That would be almost human.\nD: I don't know why, Mr. Secretary, you are so sarcastic to me. We\nwant to show it to you before we show it\nK: I don't see holding a ship up for 3 days.\nD: Because we were in apposition in which we risked the life of people\nwithout knowing for sure.\nK: I had the impression from Sadat that they all but said go through.\nD: You told me after that we should go through.\nK: That's what Sisco told you Saturday. You will show me a mpa\nmap tomorrow?\nD: I think it should be ready in a day. They are already working on it.\nK: And that might also even help us with the Saudis.\nD: Are the Saudis interested?\nK: They're interest in any move on the Peace Conference.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nD: I was also asked to ask you, Mr. Secretary, in case we are\nsending the boats and the Egyptians.\nCan we\non you to help\nus on boats in t he Indian Ocean?\nK: I'll ask the President, but I'm not sure. But now that you've\nheld it this long, why don't we talk tomorrow.\nD: OK\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nGeneral Scowcroft/Secretary Kissinger\nDecember 4, 1973\n5:30 PM\n(Missed the first part)\nS: I agree. I don't want to tell him off too strongly.\nK:\nin the morning. Will I get talking points on this?\nS: You'll be over here tomorrow.\nK: Yes. OK\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nDecember 4, 1973\nBill Donaldson - Secretary Kissinger\n6:00 p.m.\nK: I'm trying to put a speech to NATO together against everybody's\nwishes. I was going to get a couple of proposals from you or Simons\non what we can propose on energy to the Europeans. My role is to get\nto the outer limit of what the bureaucracy can tolerate, what could they\nlive with.\nD: Well, what do you want to say.\nK: What can be done cooperatively, I have no idea what it is, but\nin the short term probably nothing, but in the middle term or the long\nterm. There must be something the procer nations can do to know where\nthe supply and demand problems are. What can we tell the Europenans\nwhat are the advantages of concerted action.\nD: Okay, I've got some definite thoughts on that.\nK: Can I have it tomorrow?\nD: Yah. While I've got you on the phone, you know Yamani is coming here\ntomorrow, I invited him to lunch. I was going to see him after your 12\no'clock meeting.\nK: You'd better cancel it. Well, at least play it absolutely cool. There\nare lots of other things going on.\nD: Did you see my memo yet.\nK: No, they won't give it to me until 5 minutes before the meeting.\nD: What I suggested is that you take I invited Bill Simons too.\nK: Well, go ahead and have the lunch, just don't make any propositions,\ndon't give the impression of nervousness.\nD: Absolutely, that's what my memo says to you.\nK: Then Simons can sit in on the meeting with Yamani.\nD: If you don't like what I said.\nK: I will eventually find it.\nD: Pickering has it in his hands right now.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n2.\nK: Well, as soon as Mrs. Pickering lets go of it.\nD: I went up to New York and spent some time with Walt Levy. Do you\nhave strong feelings about him coming on the trip?\nK: I thought he was coming, but not on the plane.\nD: I don't think he should be on the plane. I've got some reservations\nabout him coming at all.\nK: I don't particularly want him, but\nD: If you don't care, if you would leave it up to me I will take care\nof it.\nK: Fine.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nMr. Sonnenfeldt/Secretary Kissinger\nDecember 4, 1973\n6:05 PM\nK:\nafter 6 weeks\n.\nThat's what I objected to.\neven when\nthey think they understand it.\nS: I can't\non both these things. That's the first I had anything\nto do with it.\nK: The NATO speech, I want to hit them in the eyes. The Pilgrims\nspeech I want to have a constructive statement.\na thoughtful\nperson and thoughtful government. want to do something. so the\nsympathetic European people, especially in England,\n.\nS: On the NATO speech I don't see how you can make a far-reaching\n.\non a speech which is basically a\nspeech.\nK: The concern of American-European relations\n.\nS: That's fine, I think the whole truth\n[\nWell,\nI\nknow.\nThis\nis\n.\nthe first moment\nMr. Secretary, I was told to keep my\ncotton-picking fingers of this speech.\nK: Anytime the C\nof this\n.\nThat's all we want\nto do and a lot of other'things.\nS: OK, I'll get to work on it.\nK: When can I get it?\nS: Tomorrow morning and the Pilgrims speech the next day.\nK: Fine.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nBill Simons - Secretary Kissinger\nDecember 4, 1973\n6:20 p.m.\nK: You were going to give me a few paragraphs on what to say to\nthe Europeans.\nS: I'm thinking about something that you can say that will have some\nimpact for negotiating purposes.\nK: It doesn't have to be for the immediate crisis, but for the longer\nterm.\nS: I thought I would bring it along about noon tomorrow when I come\nover to see Yamani, or should I stick it in an envelope and mark it\neyes only for you.\nK: I'm meeting Yamani at 2:30 which I would like you to sit in on.\nI may ask Bill to cancel the lunch, so I'll be first to talk to him.\nS: Okay, I'll be there, and I'll do whatever you say, Henry.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nMr. Paul Ziffren/Secretary Kissinger\nDecember 5, 1973\n1:09 pm\nK: How are you?\nZ: I am fine and I am glad you're bearing up.\nK: Don't draw that conclusion yet.\nZ: I have total confidence and total faith.\nK: You're nice. I talked to Herb the other day about doing something\nwith the Jewish Community because they are going to get tough\nI wonder how we should do it.\nZ: He told you about the meeting in Sy Riffen(Sp?) 's office.\nK: Yes.\nZ: I have great confidence in them. He has good judgment and he is\nresponsible.\nK: Do you want to come in here with him or alone?\nZ: What I would like to do is to develop an overall program that would\nmake some sense and then go over it with you before we do anything.\nK: What is the program--what a settlement should be like.\nZ: No, no. What we can do about the problem in this country. We're\ninterested withint the Community to stop all the publicity about money going\nto Israel. Secondly, any talk about the Japanese boycott\nK: We have a more fundamental problem about how to make the Jewish\nCommunity understand some sacrifices are going to be necessary.\nZ: Right. We want to try to see how we can focus attention on the real\ndevelopments rather than the Jews. You know about the bumper stickers\nthat say we need oil.\nFinn and some of the PR people are trying\nK: OK, why don't you get in touch with me when you're ready ?\nZ: Right.\nwe don't want to interfere with what you're doing.\nK: But I am anxious to get some understanding in the Jewish Community\nabout what I am doing before they start coming after me.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n- 2 -\nZ: I think that's important and I tried to lay a foundation in that meeting.\nI think it would be helpful if we had some idea\nK: When do you think you'll be ready?\nZ: In a couple of weeks.\nK: That's alright. I'll be out of town. Why don't we try for between\nChristmas and New Year's.\nZ: I will talk to Riffen and see if we can set a target date.\nK: I think it is important that before the peace conference gets started\nwe get together.\nZ: Won't be much before the first of the year?\nK: Right, that's why between Christmas and New Year's is ok.\nZ: Alright, let me call Riffen and talk to him.\nK: Many thanks and my best to Meg.\nEND\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nGerald Warren/Secretary Kissinger\nDecember 5, 1973\n1:12 pm\nK: I am having a press conference tomorrow.\nW: OK\nK: But that won't conflict with the swearing-in.\nW: I think it will be confirmed by tomorrow afternoon. They will\nconfirm at 3:00 and the President will go up about 4:00.\nK: I have to go too.\nW: yes.\nK: I don't see why the press conference would conflict.\nW: I don't think so. It is an entirely different type of story. One\nis ceremonial and the other is substantive.\nK: OK, we'll hold it for noon tomorrow. Can you hold your briefing at\n11:00 tomorrow?\nW: I will try.\nK: I want you to make some announcements about my appointments so\nI can discuss them.\nW: We'll do our best to be on time. We were planning to announce\nCasey tomorrow as President of Exim Bank\nK: OK, well, why not wait until Friday.\nno, go ahead and announce it all\ntomorrow.\nW: OK, fine.\nEND\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nSenator Javits/Secretary Kissinger\nDecember 5, 1973\n7:45 PM\nK: Jack, how are you.\nJ: Fine. Listen, I wanted to ask you if you thought it would be\nworthwhile to invest about 30 minutes to talk to Fisher. He's back\nfrom Israel. I know you're jammed.\nK: It's worthwhile, but I'm literally at the end of my rope interms\nof my schedule.\nJ: If you do see a break, tell your girl to call me.\nK: Does he have a solution to every problem?\nJ: Haven't we all?\nK: But you I take seriously.\nJ: Well, I think he would be worthwhile listening to for a few minutes\nif there's any break in the schedule. When do you actually leave?\nK: Saturday.\nJ: He talked quite extensively to Ken Rush. Ken might reflect to\nyou whatever Fisher told him. He's a very good link between the\nIsraeli officials and\n.\nK: Maybe he'll settle for 15 minutes.\nJ: I'll come with him and thereby guarantee 15 minutes.\nK: I will call you tomorrow.\nJ: Marion is here and sends love.\nK: Thank you.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nGeneral Scowcroft/Secretary Kissinger\nDecember 5, 1973\n7:53 PM\nK: would you get Kleindienst off my back. In my judgment it is not\nin the national interest even though he is getting a retainer from the\nSaudis.\nS: Kleindienst is on your back?\nK: Yes, he's also on Haig's back.\nS: You're kidding.\nK: I'm not kidding. I think it's what is so characteristic of this\nadministration.\nS: I'll call him. Have you talked to Haig?\nK: I didn't get him.\nS: I'll turn it off there, too.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nNIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS PROJECT\nDOCUMENT CONTROL RECORD\nITEM REMOVED FROM THIS FILE FOLDER\nSANITIZED\nA RESTRICTED DOCUMENT OR CASE FILE HAS BEEN REMOVED FROM\nTHIS FILE FOLDER. FOR A DESCRIPTION OF THE ITEM REMOVED\nAND THE REASON FOR ITS REMOVAL, CONSULT DOCUMENT ENTRY\nNUMBER 2 ON EITHER THE DOCUMENT WITHDRAWAL RECORD\n(GSA FORM 7292 OR NA FORM 1421) OR NARA WITHDRAWAL SHEET\n(GSA FORM 7122) LOCATED IN THE FRONT OF THIS FILE FOLDER.\nA sanitized copy substituted for an original item which\nContains information restricted under the Privacy Act.\nNATIONAL ARCHIVES AND RECORDS ADMINISTRATION\nNLN FORM 101 (revised 6-85)\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nSenator Fulbright/Secretary Kissinger\nDecember 5, 1973\n8:12c PM\nK: We have sent a letter to Faisal - the President has - and I have\nasked my office to show it to you when you return SO that you at least\nknow what line we have taken with Faisal when you meet Yamani.\nSANITIZED\nThe\nEgyptians have now formally accepted the Conference for December 18th,\nthey have proposed UN auspices which is no problem to us. In fact,\nwe prefer it. And there are a few really minor points that are impossible\nto explain on the phone -- how to get the Lebanese and Palestinians\neventually connected with the Conference. So I think it's definitely on\ncourse:\nF: I'm down in Oseola, Arkansas, and I've been trying to preach your\ndoctrine.\nK: I want to tell you again that working with you has been one of the\nmost rewarding things.\nF: Well, maybe we can do something useful.\nK: I'm confident weccan. What is your thought of Congressional\nparticipation at the Conference?\nF: I believe it would not be very wise, but if later - when you get into\nsubstance - after you've been meeting for a day or two - and then we\nmight for substantive things later get into it - that may be useful.\nK: The first two days will be mostly formal speeches. You don't\nthink. we need to show Congressional backing at this stage?\nF: You know whether Congressional backing\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nK: I just wondered if it would be good therapy for a few people to come\nover.\nF: I think your judgment would suit me. You:can judge that better than\nI. When are you leaving?\nK: I'll leave Saturday. I'll be in touch with you from Europe. I will\narrange as on the other trips that you get briefed regularly. There\nmay be an uproar ar NATO. They may feel I'm being too rough, but I\nthink I have to state the fundamentals.\nF: I think they can take some of that. The main objective is still the\none that occurs after the 18th.\nK: No question, no question.\nF: I'mvery happy to hear about the other. I assume Yamani's coming\non the 12th. Is thatcorrect?\nK: I don't know.\nSANITIZED\nF: How are you feeling?\nK: I feel fine. Best to Mrs. Fulbright.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nAmbassador Dobrynin/Secretary Kissinger\nDecember 5, 1973\n8:18 PM\nD: Did you call me?\nK: I'm calling you about a communication we have had from the\nEgyptians. Now they have accepted, and with 6 principles.\nD: Six principles? What do you mean accepted.\nK: They have made it formal - six principles. They like the figure\nsix - it must be a holy number.\nD: What are their principles?\nK: I will send them over to you.\nK:\nparticipation of Lebanese and Palestinians should be \"discussed.\nD: Lebanon?\nK: Lebanon is no problem. We don't give a damn whether Lebanon comes\nor not. I'll send you over the proposal. The second point: they want\nus to call a Security Council meeting to get the UN auspices, and we\ninsist on doing it by letter.\nD: as you proposed before.\nK: Yes. If we do it with a Security Council meeting, there's no telling.\nI would like you to before I reply to Egypt. We have two\nD: There are really two points. On this we don't have any differences\nwith you. I think we feel the same way. But I will check with Moscow.\nK: So - -we will not answer the Egyptians until we hear from you. I'll\nsend it right over.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nAmbassador Dobrynin/Secretary Kissinger\nDecember 5, 1973\n8:25 PM\nK: Anatol.\nD: Yes.\nK: I'm also sending you a copy of a draft letter which we have developed\nas a result of these six principles.\nD: A draft of our joint letter? Or you just want to have a joint\nK: No. This letter reflects what I have told you. This letter is\na substitute of a Security Council meeting. It is what we would send\nif they agree. It takes into account the Egyptian point.\nD: Joint letter.\nK: That's right.\nD: Still it's going through the same procedure as before - going to\nSecretary General and\nK: Exactly the same procedure.\nD: Joint draft.\nK: In order to take into account the Egyptian points minus the two points\nwe object to. I'm sure you will accept it. I see nothing in there that\nwill give you problems. It is just I think the Egyptians are SO hysterical\nthat we should both come in with the same proposal. I'm sending it to\nyou right away.\nD: I will send it to Moscow as soon as I get it.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nAmbassador Dinitz/ Secretary Kissinger\nDecember 6, 1973\n1:09 pm\nfirst part of conversation missed.\nD: You ha ve done this already. That's good.\nK: Are you starting procedures with the one kilometer disengagement\nD: yes.\nK: If we could produce anything at all.\nD: I will have to show it to you -- we are working on the map.\nK:\nis there any point of withdrawal.\nD: Your trust and belief in us is overwhelming.\nK: My trust in you is great but in your capacity to follow a complex\nstrategy it is not as great.\nD: But we are learning.\nK: Not the greatest fault to have. I have just received the conversation\nbetween the Deputy Secretary and your Prime Minister. if you understood\nit, it eluded me.\nD: I am willing to give you my comments.\nK: I understand what she said, but I am not sure I followed the points\nof my associate.\nD: I am with you on this aspect. he said it would be fine.\nK: I know but I don't lie. I say what I believe is possible. Let me\nsee if I can find some time and I'll call you back.\nEND\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nGeneral Scowcroft - Secretary Kissinger\nDecember 6, 1973\n4: 40 p.m.\n(missing first part)\nS:\nbegging Larry to have an answer over here.\nK: He arrived last night. Why wasn't I called, wasn't it called to\nmy attention. He came the morning of the 4th, is there any\nreason I couldn't have been told that morning of the 5th.\nS: No, no there isn't any. Well, the CIA hadn't seen him at that\ntime.\nK: Are they conducting our foreign policy?\nS: They wanted to check to see if he really had anything to say.\nThey met hikm, greeted him,\nK: The memo says that he arrived last night. This was written\non the 5th.\nS: That's right.\nK: So the CIA saw him the evening of the 4th, it is now the 6th.\nS: On the 5th I said do you want to see him and you didn't do\nanything.\nK: I didn't see it.\nS: Yes you did, you checked off all the other items.\nK: Well, I didn't focus on it. What's the sensitive group at the\nWhite House at 10:00? This just can't be. Now you've got the\nChinese on the schedule.\nS: Oh, I know what that is. Do you have to see the South Vietn Namese?\nK: Yes.\nSee if the Libyan can come to the White House at L0:00.\nS: Right, tomorrow morning.\nK: Never again is this to be done this way. Maybe we can have him\nlater tonight, around 10:00. It is unbelievable what is going on here.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nAmbassador Dobrynin/Secretary Kissinger\nDecember 6, 1973\n5:59 PM\nK: Sisco refuses to accept me these days. Now what are we going to do?\neven harder on the Arabs with\no\nD: No, Unfortunately I didn't see this\n.\nI can see the telegram today\nor in the morning.\nwas given instructions\nambassadors\nand\ndifferences that particular\nespecially this one word in our instructions\nto our\nthe American side would like to have this finished for their\ninformation how to\neverything you said you should insist on this.\nThis is what the Egyptians are saying. It is all right with us. The\nAmericans don't want to have\n.\nK: We cannot get the Israelis\n.\nD: Just for my information very strict and very clear instructions.\nK: I think by the 17th we will have them all lined up.\nD: What kind of trouble are we making now?\nK: Lack of attention paid to them. He is now appearing\n.\nD: I thing we are very much\n.\nK:\nD: Exactly. No we don't want trouble with him, as such. I think we will\ndo you.\n.\nThis is not the question, the question is of Security\nCouncil's open session.\nK: That I have already rejected. Also mandate. He tried to get to\nto\nmandate.\nD: I think if you like, I am sure Mr. Gromyko\na nice letter.\nK: I think after a two hour meeting with us the Syrians will\ncompletely.\nI don't know what to do with the Syrians.\nD: You're leaving tonight? So early?\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nK: Why SO early? That's a good question. BV Because of a 6 hour time\ndifference. It will get me in at 10:00.\nD: 10:00?\nK: Did you get in touch with Scowcroft?\nD: Scowcroft is coming. How long are you going to stay in your office.\nK: Only a couple of hours. I'll be at K. Grahams.\nD: At her house?\nK: At her house.\nD: I can reach you there?\nK: Certainly. Or you can reach me through the White House.\nD: It is only 6:00. It's my expression\nup to 10:00.\nK: I'm counting on having a\nwith\non the day before.\nD: No problem really. What do you want. I don't see any difficulties at all.\nK: It makes no difference.\nD: I am leaving\nK: I'll be glad to do it. Where was the dinner?\nD: The last time it was with us here. Here in Washington.\nK: That's right. I was at the Embassy.\nD: We'll come to you.\nK: The food would be better at your place. Well certainly, that way we\nwon't get\n.\nD: I could give it here at our Embassy. I understand the Israelis\n.\nAfter that you will go to Spain and Lisbon?\nK: Those are courtesy visits for one day. I'm seeing Lee Duc To.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nGeneral Scowcroft/Secretary Kissinger\nDecember 6, 1973\n9:25 PM\nK:\nformer Prime Minister.\nS: Well, you know, I haven't heard anything further.\nK: Who's arranging it, CIA?\nS: Yes.\nK: I have to see Dinitz tonight too.\nS: You can't stay there all night. Well, would you rather see him\ntomorrow -- after the staff meeting?\nK: Yes.\nS: 9:00 am, maybe.\nK: I think that would be best.\nS: Yes.\nK: Give him my apologies.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nAmbassador Scali/Secretary Kissinger\nDecember 6, 1973\n9:36 PM\nS: If he wants to talk about dancing girls, or. He was recommended by\nL by one of the greater hospitals.\nK; You sound fine.\nS: Solving a heart problem so that it has a staff which is so dedicated.\nAlso internationalized, it has a UN motiff. In any event, Ifeel great.\nMy heart feels stronger to to things and to things and to move more\nactively than ever.\nK: I'm counting on you. I look forward to your return.\nS: I can't tell yay how difficult it is to slow down.\nK: Take care.\nS: To slow down and build up great and proceed as if there's no\n.\nI'm staying at a wonderful place here in Seattle.\nK: Seattle?\nS: Not Seattle, Phoenix.\nK: In a hotel?\nS: John Gardners tennis ranch. Barry Goldwater offered me his home. I\nknow John Gardner from way back. This is a remarkable place to stay.\nThe food is excellent.\nK: Well, just as long as you don't go out and play tennis.\nS: G who is an old friend of mine will do it in.\nK: I'm counting on seeing you soon.\nS: Well, Henry, thank you very much. I appreciate that. I listened\ncarefully to your news conference.\nK:\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nS: There was nothing wrong with it. I don't see\nK: You're just trying to\ntotally\n.\nI'm looking forward to close\nassociation.\nS: Thank you very much, it touches me very deeply.\nK: Give my best to your wife.\nS: Thank you, I will.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nAmbassador Dobrynin/Secretary Kissinger\nDecember 6, 1973\n10:02 PM\nD: Henry, there are two points. The whole text is acceptable with two\namendments. Do you have your text?\nK: Let me get the text and I'll call you back.\n10:04 PM\nK: Yes, Anatol?\nD: Two places - where it says \"The U.S.\nwithout mentioning\nunder the auspices of the U.N.\nK: Yes, I agree with you.\nD:\nmade it very clear that we will.\nK: I agree.\nD: There is no need really to.\nK: Right.\nD: And the second information about the question which you raised. The\nquestion about the question on timing.\nK: Yes.\nD: Remember? About participation of the Palestinians and Lebanese.\nGromyko asked me to tell you that on this particular point Egyptians asked\nhim - or President Sadat - very strongly to put here still timing in\nquestion.\nK: We can't accept it.\nD: So Gromyko put it this way.\nput in really what the Egyptians\nasked us to do but at the same time he said if you can you're going to\ndiscuss with them. If you are convinced, we will go along with you.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nD: Before or after the Middle East conference?\nK: After the Middle East conference.\nD: After the conference?\nK: That's right. After the conference.\nD:\nand we passed on the call completely, what was said to us.\nfigures I could give you today. For my information.\nwhat you told us.\nWhat are their real intentions?\nand they gave some\n.\nI think it\nwill not be easy for you.\nK: Right. We just reviewed the argument. We will have about 1, 000.\nThey say we have 24,000.\nD: Trying little by little to meet the\nAs a\n.\nyou should\nunderstand.\nK: I understand. I suppose when I meet with Gromyko.\nD: I think you have enought time.\nI should say I'm sure.\nHe will\nbecause I mentioned to him just yesterday, discussed about\ntiming of visit. He will even send me\n.\nK: That's fine.\nD: Very unofficial. I'll be in touch with you as\n.\nK: Wonderful. We're on a constructive course. They are very touchy\nbefore the election. We are determined to make progressnow. Not\nbefore the election. We definitely will do something.\nD: Goodby and good luck.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nK: But what are you ga ng to say?\nD: As of now, if the Egyptians\n.\nIt is all right with us if you will\npress and they will come to us. But we are prepared\n.\nGromyko\nwould like you to make it clear that he is now in no position to reject\nit because the Egyptians specifically asked him. If you will convince them\nthere is no problem.\nK: OK, fine with us.\nD: No problem with us.\nIt's not really a big question which\nwill\n.\nK: Good.\nD: Do you have anything else, Henry?\nK: No, I mentioned to you about the prisoners.\nD: I have reviewed it from my own information. I know how you feel\nabout it. I did mention not the release but about the list of prisoners.\nThis we make presentation to you. It was yesterday done.\nK: OK.\nD: So I think.\nK: I'll send out our telegram. We will keep out text on the issue of the\nPalestinians, but we will take out the auspices of the UN.\nD: For your own information, we are prepared to immediately accept\nit, but as of\n.\nK: Right, OK.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nJoe Sisco/Sec. Kissinger\n9:26 a. m. - 12/7/73\nS:\nHello.\nK:\nJoe.\nS:\nYes, sir.\nK:\nIn that letter- -I showed it to the Israelis yesterday and they, of course,\nwent into orbit about that sentence \"The question of Palestine\".\nS:\nWhat if they had seen the other one that way the Egyptians wrote\nit, they would really go into orbit.\nK:\nYeh, I talked to the Russians. They say they cannot support that\nphrase \"The question of\n\"but they will accept it.\nS:\nI think you are going to have to force the Israelis to swallow it.\nK:\nDo you think we can just get away with the question of other\nparticipants.\nS:\nFine with the Israelis but not the Egyptians since the Egyptians\n(got together) with the Syrians with regard to the formulation.\nK:\nThen let the cable go as it stands.\nS:\nThere is one other thing -- if that cable goes that will help us a little\nbit. Roy and I have the reformulation of the memorandum but we are\nstuck on a paragraph or two -- the Israelis questioning U.S. auspices\nK:\nReformulate what we can accept.\nyou\nS:\nI wanted to make sure it was consistent with this cable which/shave\njust said to send out.\nK:\nOK, Joe.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nGeneral Scowcroft/Secretary Kissinger\nDecember 7, 1973\n11:40 am\nK: Brent, on that Vietnamese package that they submitted to us,\ndoes the Pentagon understand we want to move on it in a time frame\nrelevant to this dry season?\nS: I'll get it moving. I'll get on it. They are dragging their feet\nK: Why are they dragging their feet?\nS: Who knows?\nK: Well, you tell them we want to get it moving and let me will you\ntell me this afternoon what is being done?\nS: Sure, sure.\nEND\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nGeneral Scowcroft - Secretary Kissinger\nDecember 7, 1973\n11:45 a.m.\nS: Yes, sir.\nK: Can you look into A5Vs, whether we could deliver some\nby air. Also I think they really do need anti-tank weapons.\nI mean our forces aren't fighting right now, and, well, if\nCongress has its way they will never fight again.\nS: Right. OK. I will look into that.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nNIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS PROJECT\nDOCUMENT CONTROL RECORD\nITEM REMOVED FROM THIS FILE FOLDER\nSANITIZED\nA RESTRICTED DOCUMENT OR CASE FILE HAS BEEN REMOVED FROM\nTHIS FILE FOLDER. FOR A DESCRIPTION OF THE ITEM REMOVED\nAND THE REASON FOR ITS REMOVAL, CONSULT DOCUMENT ENTRY\nNUMBER\n5\nON EITHER THE DOCUMENT WITHDRAWAL RECORD\n(GSA FORM 7279 OR NA FORM 1421) OR NARA WITHDRAWAL SHEET\n(GSA FORM 7122) LOCATED IN THE FRONT OF THIS FILE FOLDER.\nA sanitized copy substituted for an original item which\ncontains information restricted under the Privacy Act.\nNATIONAL ARCHIVES AND RECORDS ADMINISTRATION\nNLN Form 101 (revised 6-85)\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nGeneral Scowcroft/Secretary Kissinger\nDecember 7, 1973\n2:35 pm\nmissed first part of conversation\nK: I just don't see how I can ask for restoration in the cut of\nanother Cabinet member's budget.\nThe Israelis tell me,\nI don't know if it is true, that , do you know about this, that\nthe\nabout the Soviet equipment was\nS: Oh, yes , that\nK: They say it is worse and the sound like desperate men. They are\nwilling to cave on everything if they can have this equipment. Dayan\nsaid I was against\nS: It is not just that\nwe don't have\nSANITIZED\nWhat they\nare talking about is advance weapons -- it is\nSANITIZED\nK: I would think we ought to break our backs to give them equipment.\nThey have to feel secure or it will be disastrous. and they claim this electronic\nequipment exists. I'll ask them to send their military\nto you.\nThey are looking for\nSANITIZED\nS: I'm not familiar with that but I will look into it.\nEND\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nSecretary General Waldheim/Secretary Kissinger\nDecember 7, 1973\n4:19\nK: I didn't get the message yesterday that ;you had called and I am\nsorry I did not return your call.\nW: That's ok. I was informed by the major beligerant of the text\nof the draft agreement andI have to feel that\nK: Wait, there is not draft agreement. We are discussing it with them.\nW: I thought I should mention it to you and it was an Egyptian source.\nToday they requested a meeting with me\nand I wanted to check with you.\nK: I don't know what version they have shown you.\nW: The text that says the conference will start on the 18th in Geneva\nthen that two parties are seeking the Security Council to\nK: No. We disagree with that. We do think there should be a Security\nCouncil meeting.\nit should be done on a consensus basis.\nW: The non-aligned, and this is the other aspect, has had a meeting\nthis morning and has prepared a draft text of Security Council resolution\nwhich will take\nand then express hope that the Secretary General will\nplan a useful role in the conference and so on. This is something they\ndiscussed this morning. I got the text confidentially and I thought it was\nimportant for you to know that they are working on this. They are\nthat they have nothing til now and in the afternoon at 5:00 they are\ncoming to see me , the Chinese are coming to see me this morning and\nthey are worried about the fact that the Council has not heard anything\nfurther and that the Council will not have enough time to study the matter.\nK: In what way can the Council study the matter, it won't be the first\ntime in history.\nW: All in all they are really ready to cooperate and they are worried that\nthey will be confronted at the last minute to take steps and they want to\nhave enought time to develop the matter and give me a blanket message.\nThey understand that it is in interest of cause to give the Secretary General\na blanket good will message and to leave it to him That is the best.\nK: The difficulty is there isn't any agreed text and you have been shown\nan Egyptian proposal. We haven't accepted it.\nW: I see. It says a co-sponsorship under the auspices of the US and USSR\nand they gave me the impression that this is an agreed text.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n- 2 -\nK: That is not my impression.\nW: I thought it important to tell you this and it is interesting to know\nthe feeling in the Council. I just had a talk with Ceasescu and he\nexpressed role of the UN.\nK: Their solicitude is touching but they haven't expressed it before.\nW: The members of the Council, not only the non-aligned, they want to\nthat it is called under UN asupices but that we just offer a roof.\nK: What the French and British want is to be involved with no\nresponsibilities.\nW: I am glad you are clarifying the situation to me. Whattthey said\nis they are afraid you will give us this information and they\nK: That is not the intention. Thank you for being so meticulous in keeping\nme informed. I will let you know as soon as I have some more\ninformation.\nW: May I say that\nK: Mr. Secretary General I am surrounded by a bunch of busy bodies.\nThere is no agreement. They are trying to protect me. If I come I\nwill come for two days.\nW: I did instruct my man in Geneva that he can take the necessary\nmeasures for having the meeting at the UN but he can't say this has\nbeen decided.\nK: That is correct.\nW: Well, thank you for calling back and I wish you a successful visit.\nEND\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nMr. Dinitz/Secretary Kissinger\nDecember 7, 1973\n6:08 PM\nD: Good evening, Mr. Secretary.\nK: How many senators do you have there?\nD: We had about 25 senators off and on.\nK: Good.\nD: It was a good session, very good.\nK: I m not worried about that. You walked off with the map and papers you\nwanted me to take to the Egyptians.\nD: Find out first about the 6 points.\nK: As you say,\nwill they agree to maintain the cease fire and the\nblockade if you do this.\nD: That the\nis what should be done with the understanding, Mr. Secretary,\nthat the Egyptians would\nfirst item discussed in Geneva.\nK: That will not\n.\nD: He wants to get assurance from you. Find out in Cairo.\nK: I can only find out in Cairo if you give me this map and papers.\nD: When are you leaving, Mr. Secretary?\nK: Tomorrow morning, first thing.\nD: Can I do it before you leave this evening, or tomorrow morning?\nK: Yes, bring it by. Get in touch with Eagleburger. I can't have the map?\nD: It's quite useless, from the discussions.\nK: I'll get to this in return for an understanding that the blockade will not\nbe\nagain.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nD: The cease fire is maintained and you will inform us?\nK: I'll inform you of this.\nD: OK, that you'll inform us.\nK: I will have to do that from Cairo.\nD: Or when you come to Israel.\nK: But either way\nD: OK, I'll get in touch with Eagleburger.\nK: OK, good.\nD: Have a nice trip Mr. Secretary. Could you stop by for a few minutes?\nK: I don't think so.\nD: Maybe you can\nK: If you didn't live a half hour away.\nD: It's very close.\nK: I've been there. It's a half hour.\nD: From the State Department?\nK: Yes. If at all possible I'll come out. If not, I'll see you in Israel.\nD:\nso I won't have the\nwith you.\nK:\nD: Right away. They didn't get in touch with me.\nK: We didn't find any trouble with that.\nD: No. They want to have assurance.\nK: I told them to check with you and I told them also I would\n. I\ntold them it would be a change for everybody.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nD: We have somehow managed to\n.\nK: The thing that me might in a very short time. It's totally\nout of the question.\nD: The last 2 days the papers are\nand every paper put pressure, even\nout friend, Marvin Kalb.\nK: That did not come from me. I will see if it came from here.\nD: Mr. Secretary, if you remember\ngood report about\nI said\nnothing more\no\nK: I will do my best.\nD: I appreciate it very much.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nGeneral Scowcroft/Secretary Kissinger\nDecember 7, 1973\n6:22 PM\nS: I didn't know anything about it at all.\nK: Will you get him to work. If he has to stay up at 6:00 in the morning.\nNo one looks at my schedule!\nS; I'll get him on it immediately.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nDeputy Secretary Clements/Secretary Kissinger\nDecember 7, 1973\n7:32 PM\nC: I just wanted to call and wish you well on your trip. You've got every\ngood wish I can possible give you. I'm sure you'll have a nice trip.\nK: I hope so.\nC: I had a great visit with\nin S\n.\nI already talked to Dinitz and I\nhad hoped that Ken might be there.\nK: Ken who?\nC: Ken Rush.\nK: That was nice of you.\nC: Any particular details you might want to mention ?\nI was delighted to\nhave him.\nK: Terrific.\nC: The main thing\nwith thoughts to continue to do what you've been\ndoing. Just like you were saying. I came down the fact that they were\nthere\n.\nSay exactly the same thing to him. To put them into a\nposition where there is lack of\n.\nAs much as we would like to have that\nand I want to make that clear and it takes a first rate star to getting to\nwork .\nK: What did he say. I understand he\nC: They thought about that for a few minutes. There was a little\n.\nHe said he wanted to help you on the 6\n.\nIn about 15 minutes I get to\ngo to the\n.\nI said I'll show you in that process I'm going tohelp you\non the 6\n.\nOur\nservices about 100, 000 barrels a day.\nuntil\nI return to Saudi Arabia. This must be on a very close basis. It\nmust not be talked around. So, Henry, I would say that you use this\nin any way you want. It could be a part of your confidential discussions\nwhen you meet over there.\nK: Terrific job, Bill. Can we offer them a bit of support?\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nC: He was over at my office before he came to see you. I told him you\nand I agreed to talk about it, and the President mentioned to me\nlet's understand each other when we talk about the tanks you need over\nthere. 2, 3 or 5 that's really significant.\nThat is not the\nproblem, the problem is the\n.\nNow I left my office after that,\nHenry, and right after you\nK: I'm getting him on to\n.\nEuropeans are extremely interested.\nC: We can\ngive them some more tanks, Henry.\nK: Why don't you do that.\nC: It would be about 200 tanks.\nK: I will see that you are kept informed.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nVice President Ford/Secretary Kissinger\nDecember 7, 1973\n7:45 PM\nK: I called you last night.\nF: I know you did, and I appreciate it. I'm afraid I couldn't return\nthe call.\nK: Oh - no response was needed. I just wanted to tell you how moved\nI was by your speech.\nF: Well, you're awfully nice. It's pretty hard for me - I got emotional\nabout it.\nK: That's what made it a very human and significant experience.\nF: Well, you're awfully nice to call. If I might, I'd like tossay that\nthose breakfasts are terrific - just absolutely great.\nK: Really?\nF: And the speaker, George Mahan (sp), Tip O'Neill - the whole bunch.\nWhenever you invite them, they'll be there.\nK: What do you think - once a month?\nF: Once a month would be good, any more might get a little heavy for\nyou. That one couldn't have developed a better rapport.\nK: It was a good session, and I appreciated it very much.\nF: Let me say also\nwhat checks were taken on the House fight.\nRepublicans were about 100 to 15 for the rule in the Bill, and the\nDemocrats were about 100 to 35. Now that indicates there are a lot\nof absentees or undecided.\nK: That's fascinating. That was good.\nF: Isn't it though. On the basis of that freport, Al (Ulman or Allman)\nis convinced they should go ahead, starting Monday.\nK: I sent a letter up to remove any misunderstanding that may have\narisen.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nF: Well, I didn't think it would be that good. I just hope they can keep\nthat credit provision out of\no\nK: Do you think they could?\nF: I don't know. I haven't got into that -- maybe over the weekend.\nI think maybe the President could sign the bill. Dont you?\nK: One would think. I have asked Brent Scowcroft to keep you informed\nof my trip and to keep you posted, and if you have any questions, you\ncan call him and until I get back that's the best way to handle it.\nF: Incidentally, I don't know how it was arranged, but I'm supposed to\nsee Moishe Dayan tomorrow morning at 9:00 in the EOB office. I think\nI know what to say. Is there anything new as of today?\nK: As far as he's concerned about the Middle East, you can tell him we've\nmanaged to find some way of giving them more tanks and other equipment,\nand that more political movement is needed. That would be very important\nbecause of the situation in this country.\nF: I'll do that. Is he way\n.\nK: He's been pretty reasonable.\nF: Is he with Golda Meir or is he\n.\nK: He was a potential successor, but he got a bit discredited because\nof the way the war went. Now he's more loyal than he used to be. They\nknow you're a friend, so anything that could be said to indicate that our\ncommitment to their security remains total, but some political movement\nis necessary. It would really be useful.\nF: Yes, they know I'm their friend, so maybe I can be more creditable\nwith them. I'll sure try. You're awful damn nice to call.\nK: Well, I was terribly moved.\nF: Well, I got emotional.\nK: But that's what made it very moving.\nF: I'll do any damn thing for you. or the President.\nK: Ill see you when I get back.\nF: Thank's Henry.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nDeputy Secretary Clements/Secretary Kissinger\nDecember 7, 1973\n8:10 PM\nC: When II was talking to you before, I forgot to mention one think\nfor you to think about on your trip. I hate to bother you with it, but we'll\ntalk about it when you get back. You know Bob Hill is leaving, and I\nhate like hell to lose him.\nK: I agree.\nC: That was one of the great decisions to let him come over there instead\nof letting him go to Pakistan. He's really been a great help.\nK: I understand there was a conflict of interest.\nC: Yeah - they told him to dispose of something like 10 stocks or\notherwise he's have to resign. Under the circumstances - and his gains\nand losses - Henry, he'd take a $300,000 to $400, 000 loss, and he\ncouldn't do that -- that's what behind it. In the spirit of a replacement,\nI would like very much to give that job to Larry Eagleburger and have\nhim come over and help me.\nK: I can't spare him -- that's out of the question. It shows good judgment\nbut I just can't spare him.\nC: Henry, be thinking about it. If you think of someone else that would\nsuit the job, and when you get back, well talk about it again.\nK: Good.\nC: I want you to know among other things this evidence of how I fæl about\nLarry. Have a good trip. Really try to help me. Maybe there's someone\nin State who could do the kind of job that you'd want done in that department.\nK: I agree. Let me give it some thought.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELECON\nGeorge Vest/Secretary Kissinger\nDecember 7, 1973\n10:20 PM\nK: I wanted to check on the NATO speech.\ncan be salvaged in the time\nthat is now available. I wondered what if I give the same speech that I\ngave at the NATO Council.\nV: Nothing, that's your own choice.\nK: How much will be out by then?\nV: Most of it. The normal procedure for anything you do or say\nin which\nthe effect of what you said will all come out in the text by the\n.\nK:\nand the speech is what, background?\nV: It will be out because the ideas you've said will be out. The speech\ncan be delivered anyway you want because the effect will be the same.\nK: What if I change the text? What if there's a chance in the Pilgrims\nspeech?\nV: If you're saying it you\nand therefore every word would be looked\nat\n.\nK: OK, many thanks George.\nV: Yes sir.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nSECRETARY KISSINGER WAS OUT OF THE COUNTRY\nDURING THIS PERIOD.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified."
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