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-3- more than willing you should do, but those shoulders have to be stout and strong. K: Well, you know, my problem ink has been that after I became Secretary I was immediately thrown into the Middle East crisis. But now I've got all my people appointed and Bill has been very good about confirming them. So I think within two weeks of the Congress coming back all my top people should be confirmed and then I have my own team in there. J: Very good. I hear Sisco's staying. K: Sisco is staying. We are going to announce him tomorrow or the day after, as Under Secretary. Do you think that's a good appointment? J: Very good. I think especially with you he will draw enormous resource from the confidence you will vest in him. He's a man who flowers and blossoms if confidence is vested in him. And he gets very conspirator- ial if it's drained away. K: That's a very sharp observation. You are right. J: You see, it works in reverse with Joe. K: In fact, that was one hesitation I had about appointing him because I had just seen ;his conspiratorial side. But I have now recognized him, XX in his travels with me that if you work closely with him he is really very loyal. He J: Not only is he loyal, but you know, he isn't kidding me. He's got damn good standing with the Arabs. And he's earned it, which is all O.K. You know what I mean? And he values it highly, too, which is good too. K: Now, Jack, I'm thinking of appointing somebody in charge of Congres- sional relations who's a bit of an off-beat appointment. It's Nat Davis. I don't know whether you know him. J: I know a little bit about him. K: He was our Ambassador in Chile. He's the youngest career minister we've got. He was in the Peace Corps with Shriver and when our Ambassador to Guatemala was killed when LBJ was President, he volunteered to go down there as Ambassador. I've had him back here as Director General of the Foreign Service. He's so good that if Sisco hadn't stayed I would have made him Under Secretary. But I thought it would be better to have somebody with substantive knowledge

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