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Amb. Dobrynin/KIssinger
9:10 a. m.
5/11/71
-5-
D: He went more and more?
K: He did that on a boat and not a plenary session and there's not a record
but when a Deputy Minister speaks for 5 hours he must have something to say.
D: It's not necessary. The thing is Semonov could speak for 5 hours is well
known in my govt. Hecan talk on anything he likes. He wouldn't know anything
about the military thing but he can philosophize many things. They will be
very strongly scolded and he la is my friend. Was it a proposal or did Smith
think so?
K: I'ts not a difficulty because IXIX Smith thinks he has and we must now respond.
If I do nothing else now you will get a formal answer to Semonov from Smith.
D: A telegram coming in now. Will you hold a minute?
K: Yes.
D: So I will sum up this way. Smith gets a definite proposal and Semonov
continued to elaborate. But he didn't say we are ready to make this proposal.
K: He thinks that if we now say all right we accept an agreement on ABM and
freeze, he thinks there will be an agreement. Smith feels we can get an
agreement along the lines of what you and I talked about. Simulianeous freeze.
ABM vs. Moscow. That's what he thinks.
D: No authority because it contradicts his instructions. If i mention this to
Gromyko, he will say Smith invented it.
K: Smith believes it's an ABM agreement with offensive freeze concluded
simultaneously with limitations on radar and limitations of texting of surface
to air missiles (which we haven't discussed).
D: He has instructions not to discuss specifics.
K: I just finished talking with Smith. This is not something he asked Smith
to raise with him and not our major issue.
D: I have the telegram. This is a copy from Moxcow on what Semonov reports.
Acting in accordance with instructions and said nothing more.
minister and discuss with Smith what we didn't talk through Smith and Semonov (?
Semonov emphatically denies he talked with Smith about it.
K: I don't know what to do know.
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