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Mr. Kissinger/Ambassador Dobrynin
6:35 p. m., July 30, 1971
- 2 -
D:
Yes.
In this context of what you read, I interpret the words
of
my Minister -- that he raised the question of a different channel,
no. I am inclined to interpret it that he simply wants more personal
basis between the two bosses. I know our point of view and personally
that of Brezhnev and Gromyko. I have no doubts. There is no
question on a new channel. We don't want to go through Beam. I
am positive this is not the meaning.
K:
If you think sometimes it is a good idea to send a letter, we
will initiate something.
D:
On this telegram, I am 100 per cent sure.
K:
Anything I tell you comes from the President.
D:
Sometimes person to person is not a bad idea. It is very clear
that what you tell us is from the President. All answers you receive
are directly from my President.
K:
I understand perfectly.
D:
My interpretation is he feels it is a good idea to have some
human-being touch.
K:
The
second item -- Semenov and Smith had a meeting on July 29.
Semenov said -- without being insistent that he understood
the
May 20th understanding to mean that there should be a separate ABM
agreement worked out completely and only when that was worked out
would they discuss offensive limitations. My understanding has been
we would agree to discuss for several weeks the ABM limitations.
Concurrently there should be some offensive discussions. This is
the sort of issue that raises irritations. We have gone far to meet your
point on this.
D:
Our understanding is we should finish everything. If you put it
this way. You didn't give consent to finish everything. No one was
precise.
K:
I am not insisting that it has to happen next week. They have
been meeting for three weeks now.
D:
The problem is psychological. It is much better to handle
and easier from your side than frommine. I am receiving SO many
telegrams from Semenov. Each day I get two or three because they'
discuss several questions. [He listed several including accidental
war.] You introduce a paper
we introduce a paper. Reading them
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