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    "ocrText": "TelCon:3/1/73-6:42\nMr. Kissinger/\nMinister Vorontsov\nK:\nYuly.\nV:\nYes, Henry.\nK:\nI wanted to tell you that we have had over here today a request\nfor some loans for the Khama River project and for some dishware\nfactory.\nV:\nI see.\nK:\nAmounting to $211 million and that I just wanted to give you advance\ninformation that we approved it today\nV:\nOh, good.\nK:\nAnd your delegation will probably - when they go to the Ex-Im Bank\ntomorrow be told about that.\nV:\nRight. That is wonderful. Thank you very much.\nK:\nSo they couldn't drive too hard a bargain knowing the outcome.\nV:\nOK. I give them a hint. I send the word to Dobrynin about your\ngoing on vacation on the 10th. Maybe tomorrow I will get a reply\nfrom him when he is coming back.\nK:\nGood. Wonderful.\nV:\nFine.\nThank-you.\nK:\nGoodbye.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelCon\nMr. Vorontsov/Mr. Kissinger\n2:25 pm, March 3, 1973\nK:\nHello.\nV:\nHello Henry, how are you.\nK:\nUri?\nV:\nYeah.\nK:\nWe've got a tremendous crisis because you're here.\nV:\nWhat's that, what's that.\nK:\nI just thought I'd scare you a little bit.\nV:\n(Laughter) You scared me a lot.\nK:\nJust want to keep you honest, just want to see hgw well you keep\nyour cool.\nV:\nAhh, we are always cool. Ambassador is cool, cooling his feet\nin Moscow. Henry, I got a message from him.\nK:\nRight.\nV:\nHe wants you to know that he will here before the 10th but the\nexact date is not yet settled.\nK:\nOkay.\nV:\nBut he will see you before your vacation.\nK:\nGood.\nV:\nOkay.\nK:\nI don't know why I did this, I should have let him come back on the\n12th and blamed the failure of the Summit on him.\nV:\nLaughter--I hope first of all there will be no failure and then the\nAmbassador is not of that type who will accept this. Me will follow\nyou to Acapulco or wherever you go.\nK:\n(Laughter) He's the wrong sex. Now, listen, Uri, we--you've\nhad some discussions with us on having George Shultz come to the\nSoviet Union.\nV:\nYes, that's right.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n2\nK:\nAnd we would be delighted to send him, we think it's a constructive\ntime to do it.\nV:\nWonderful.\nK:\nBut before we announce it we wanted to make sure that the dates\nMarch 11 to 14 would be acceptable to you.\nV:\nWell, I hope, because that's exactly the dates they had in mind,\nthe first half of March.\nK:\nCan you confirm it for me before we announce it, and we'd like to\ndo it as soon as possible.\nV:\nFine Henry, I'll cable them already but I will ask them to expedite\nthe answer and I hope I will get it first thing Monday morning.\nK:\nRight. And we will approach- he won't be able to make any\ndefinite settlement, but he'll be sent with instructions really to get\nsteam behind the various activities to be agreed on.\nV:\nGood.\nK:\nAnd you can tell them that.\nV:\nFine. Okay. And they will be glad to hear that you are backing\ncompletely his mission.\nK:\nRight.\nV:\nOkay Henry, I'll call you.\nK:\nBye.\nV:\nBye.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nMinister Vorontsov/Mr. Kissinger\n12:53 p.m., March 5, 1973\nV:\nHello.\nK:\nYuri,\nV:\nHello, Henry, how are you?\nK:\nYou called me.\nV:\nAh, yes, Henry. I had in mind just to warn you not to plan any crisis\nbecause Anatoliy is coming today, so nothing will happen. Even if you\nplan a crisis.\nK:\nYeah.\nV:\nYeah, he is coming about 2 o'clock to New York so he will be here about\n7 o'clock I suppose.\nK:\nHe's probably going to be mad as a hatter.\nV:\n(laughter) So you are wondering when he is coming, that's my answer.\nHe's coming today.\nK:\nI triggered him back very early, didn't I?\nV:\n(laughter) Maybe he will be mad. Maybe not, I don't know.\nK:\nActually now I may put off my vacation -- not because of him -- by a few\ndays.\nV:\nYeah, maybe.\nK:\nBut not because of that. I have some other reasons for doing it.\nV:\nAh, I see. But this will be helpful anyhow. It will give you more time.\nK:\nGood. It's good to know he's back even though you did things very nicely.\nHave we heard about Shultz' trip?\nV:\nNot yet but I think that will be today.\nK:\nGood.\nV:\nI'll inform you immediately.\nK:\nGood.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nMinister Vorontsov/Mr. Kissinger\n- 2 -\n12:53 p.m., March 5, 1973\nV:\nAnd today I'll see you at 5 o'clock with a group of our economic and\ntrade people.\nK:\nI look forward to it.\nV:\nOkay. Bye.\nK:\nBye.\nwgh\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nAmbassador Dobrynin/Mr. Kissinger\n12:24 p.m., March 6, 1973\nD:\nHello, Henry, how are you?\nK:\nWelcome back!\nD:\nThank you very much. Brezhnev send me in a rather urgent plane to keep\neye on you.\nK:\nI figured that.\nD:\n(laughter) He even gave me a special plane up to London.\nK:\nBy, God, you know --\nD:\nBecause they didn't know that we will have a chance to get permission\nof American authority. Otherwise, he was giving me a plane to go directly\nto Washington, D. C.\nK:\nAnatol, now quite seriously.\nD:\nYeah, I'm telling you quite seriously.\nK:\nNo, no, but you can always assume you will get authority from us. You\ndon't have to check before.\nD:\nOh, really?\nK:\nNo, no; quite seriously, you let me know and we will clear you.\nD:\nWell, that's why I said I will take your plane only up to London and from\nLondon I will take whatever airplane takes off. So up to London I was flying\nin his plane but from London I took --\nK:\nNo, just let Vorontsov -- You know, if it should ever arise again --\nD:\nOh, Issee, I will.\nK:\nAnd in fact, you can assume it's a general proposition.\nD:\nYeah.\nK:\nYou know.\nD:\nYeah. Okay, thank you very much.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nAmb. Dobrynin/Mr. Kissinger\n2\n12:24 p.m., March 6, 1973\nK:\nYou know, I wouldn't send Bison planes over here\nD:\n(laughter)\nK:\ncameras crazy. But any time Brezhnev wants to send a special\nplane, you can consider it will be done.\nD:\nI understand. Okay, thank you very much. How are things going on?\nK:\nWell, Anatol, you outmaneuvered me again.\nD:\nNo, it couldn't be.\nK:\nYes, I thought I would tell Vorontsov I'm going on vacation. I figured you\nwouldn't come back, I would then have a good excuse for delaying things\nanother three weeks.\nD:\n(laughter) Well, Brezhnev hoped that you will not go on a vacation. until\nthey finish the major things I guess.\nK:\nNo, no, no.\nD:\nAnd before it will be clear that you could go to Moscow.\nK:\nOh, no, I'll go to Moscow.\nD:\nYes. Well, that's why he hoped that this will be clear before you went\nfor a vacation.\nK:\nBut he didn't put it in his letter.\nD:\nWell, he did -- He called me and I will tell you when I will see you what\nhappened really. I was in from Moscow -- then he called me and he asked\nme \"Did you tell Henry that I invite him? 11 I said \"Yes, I did. 11 But from\nwhat I saw in telegram, it is not clear; he wanted it to be in letter. I say,\n\"Well, he would like to show to the President that you put it in writing. 11\n\"Oh, 11 he said, \"do you think he wants to get it in writing? 11 I said,\n\"Definitely, my impression, because otherwise I mention to him.\"\nK:\nNo, no --\nD:\nBecause first he --\nK:\nYou see the reason I wanted it was for our own bureaucratic reasons,\nthere's no problem.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nAmb. Dobrynin/Mr. Kissinger\n3\n12:24 p.m., March 6, 1973\nD:\nNo, no, I understand.\nK:\nBut you know it helps if we can show the other interested parties that\nthis wasn't something we cooked up.\nD:\nYeah, no, I understand. But his call to me was because he thought that\nmaybe I forgot to mention to you when I was in Washington.\nK:\nOh, no, no, no, you had mentioned to me.\nD:\nYes.\nAnd it's\nK:\nClearly understood and there's no problem with the President.\nD:\nYes. So he called me, \"Did you mention it?\" I said, \"Yes, I did. 11\nHe said, \"Why he want it? \" Then I gave him my own information that\nI think it should be in written form, the next step so to speak. Probably\nthis is already written.\nK:\nIt's a pure formality.\nD:\nSo he said, \"It should be done? 11 I said, \"Yes. 11 Then give Vorontsov\npermission to put it in letter. I said, \"That's all right. \"\nK:\nHe didn't put it in.\nD:\nNo, he did, he did.\nK:\nNo, not in the letter he sent us.\nD:\nNo, no, no, he did. Oh, no, no, on this I'm 100% sure because I wrote\nmyself a telegram and Gromyko signed it. And Vorontsov report back to\nme that it was in time.\nWell, then\nK:\n/\nLet me look at the letter again.\nD:\nWell, I have a letter -- he gave me here a copy. Because first thing\nI have done when I arrived yesterday was to give me the letter which he\nsent and it was there.\nK:\nWell, it's all right. I'm coming anyway. When does he want me to come?\nI hope not before the second half of April.\nD:\nWhen will you be ready to come?\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nAmb. Dobrynin/Mr. Kissinger\n4\n12:24 p.m., March 6, 1973\nK:\nWell, that depends on you. You're agreeing to all our propositions?\nD:\nWell, this is the point we're going to discuss with you. (laughter)\nK:\nWell, what would make a good impression, Anatol, -- I don't want to\nsuggest to you but I think it would speed the SALT discussions if you\nproposed that you will dismantle all SS-9s in the next phase of SALT,\nwe would make very rapid progress.\nD:\nYeah.\nK:\nJust the big ones as a sign of good will.\nD:\nYeah.\nK:\n(laughter)\nD:\n(laughter) I think it's a good idea.\nK:\nI think Smirnov\nD:\nI think it's just a good idea. And for Johnson and Smirnov really because\nnow they will spend another two months I guess just to get acquainted with\neach other.\nK:\nWell, look, we are -- You and I will have a hell of a lot of work to do\nbecause we don't have a lot of time.\nD:\nYes, really being on the serious side, because Brezhnev really send me\nthat quick in such a way because he really was under the impression from\ntelegram that Vorontsov sent that really now you are prepared to discuss\nand he says everything -\nK:\nNo, no, I'm saying that if he's coming in June, which is now settled I\nunderstand.\nD:\nWell, I think we could settle with you now.\nK:\nYeah. Well, from our side, it's settled.\nD:\nYeah.\nK:\nSo if he's coming in June, it must be a success.\nD:\nYeah, this is the point.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nAmb. Dobrynin/Mr. Kissinger\n5\n12:24 p.m., March 6, 1973\nK:\nIf it must be a success if we follow some of the agenda you sent us,\nyou and I will have to work like dogs.\nD:\nExactly.\nK:\nBecause we only have two months to do it.\nD:\nExactly. This is the point.\nK:\nAnd, therefore, I just wanted Vorontsov to know that I was going on vacation\non March 11th and that if you then didn't come back before that, we wouldn't\nget together before the 20th.\nD:\nYeah. No, no; here I am.\nK:\nQuite honestly, I may delay it a few days.\nD:\nYeah, I think it will be good idea just to have a first round and to report,\nyou see.\nK:\nI may not leave now until the 16th or 17th.\nD:\nI think it will be good idea, really. Because then we will have a first\nround and give us something to be based on.\n:\nK\nOkay.\nD:\nI\nwould say so. When I have a chance to see you?\nK:\nWhen would you like to see me?\nToday or tomorrow?\nD:\nToday.\nK:\nToday?\nD:\nYeah.\nK:\nOkay. I'm not in final shape but let's have a preliminary talk today.\nD:\nYes, just to begin with. What? 6 oclock? 5 oclock? Or this afternoon.\nK:\nLet's say 5:30. Oh, let's say 6:00. Yeah, I'll have only an hour but that\nwill be enough.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nAmb. Dobrynin/Mr. Kissinger\n6\n12:24 p.m., March 6, 1973\nD:\nNo, I think that will be good too. And tomorrow we'll continue.\n[Laughter]\nK:\nOh, God.\nD:\n(laughter) I'm sure you'll prepare everything. You have all the answers\nalready. It's much more easier. (laughter) I guess maybe they'll also\nhear our plans and even by\nwe will dismantle all the SS-9s in\na year or so, when we ask you to withdraw some other things --\nK:\nNo, you dismantle all SS-9s and we will give you good will.\nD:\nI think is good idea too.\nK:\nI know you're so easy to deal with --\nD:\nYes.\nK:\nYou'll agree to that easily.\nD:\nWell, I think it will be time for Mr. Brezhnev to think it over about this\nproposal while you will be on vacation. To exchange good will on SS-9s.\nK:\nI thought it was a reasonable proposal.\nD:\nWell, I think it will be just about time to think it over while you will be\non vacation.\nK:\n(laughter) Okay. But what we ought to do today is have a preliminary\ntalk. And our attitude is -- Well, first of all, we ought to set a date\nfairly soon.\nD:\nYeah, okay. And we will go through this once and then we will\nK:\nJust discuss procedures and, in any event, I want to tell you that I'm under\ninstructions to see to it that the visit will be a notable success.\nD:\nThis is it exactly.\nK:\nAnd now how we're going to do it depends on your needs to some extent.\nD:\nExactly, because Brezhnev thinks in terms that next year the President\nwill be in Moscow again.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nAmb. Dobrynin/Mr. Kissinger\n7\n12:24 p.m., March 6, 1973\nK:\nThat's our thinking too.\nD:\nAnd not only Moscow, but to have him through the country.\nK:\nWell, that will be in principle very acceptable.\nD:\nSo this he really asked me to tell to you and to the President and that's\nwhy his coming here will be enough on the result that it will be really\na buildup for the next successful\nnext year.\nK:\nIt's a necessity.\nD:\nYes.\nK:\nAnd then I'm willing and, as a matter of fact, I think it's important to\ngo to Moscow say any time from April 15th on.\nD:\nOkay. Brezhnev put to me this way -- that I have to check about your\nvisit and the date as he put it -- any way you would like to have in terms\nof confidential or it is entirely up to you if it is open.\nK:\nWell, I think it is hard for me to go secretly.\nD:\nOh, no, it's no problem. He just raised it --\nK:\nWell, make it an open visit.\nD:\nOkay, it is settled.\nK:\nAnd we will discuss how to proceed with it.\nD:\nYes.\nK:\nGood. See you at - -\nD:\n6 o'clock.\nK:\n6 o'clock.\nD:\nOkay, Henry. The usual place?\nK:\nYes.\nD:\nBye, bye.\nwgh\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nAmb. Dobrynin/Mr. Kissinger\n7:30 p.m., March 6, 1973\nD:\nOh, hello, Henry.\nK:\nThank God. What do you do, make me ring 10 minutes?\nD:\nOh, excuse me, I was in a different room, you see. Henry, excuse me,\nbut I forgot to mention because he specifically asked me to convey his\nwarmest regards to the President and he said he is looking very much\nto meet him personally in June. And second, the same for you and he\nhoped to see you in April.\nK:\nThank you very much.\nD:\nAnd that was specifically emphasized twice and I just forgot to tell you\nso it's my fault.\nK:\nNo, but the spirit of your comments made it quite clear.\nD:\nYeah, definitely. But he make it very specifically, that's why I\nK:\nI can tell you for him that we are really looking forward to this and\nthe President has already told me many times that he hopes that this\nvisit will be a great success. And I mentioned to him the invitation\nof coming to the Soviet Union next year.\nD:\nYeah.\nK:\nAnd he was extremely pleased.\nthis\nD:\nNo, I think / will be what's going to happen really. Okay, Henry.\nK:\nGood, Anatol, I have one minor thing. The White House photographer\nwas very impressed by a Russian camera which is called Horizon T.\nD:\nYes.\nK:\nAnd he would like to buy it.\nD:\nA photographer?\nK:\nYes. It's a photographer -- he takes all the pictures for the President.\nD:\nOh, I see. This is called \"Horizon.\"\nK:\nYeah. He says it is the best camera for a wide picture anywhere in the\nworld.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nAmb. Dobrynin/Mr. Kissinger\n2\n7:30 p.m., March 6, 1973\nD:\nWell, I will check it. \"Horizon T\" -- in Russian or in English he says?\nK:\nIn English, \"Horizon T. \"\nD:\nIt was said \"Horizon T\"?\nK:\nYes.\nD:\nOkay, I will check it out with trade people.\nK:\nAnd if we could buy it here, we'd be grateful.\nD:\nNo -- Okay, that is no problem. And second, Henry, when we will\nbe on Thursday, maybe you have a chance on a very private basis to\nthink maybe about what kind of things -- - -\nK:\nOn Ivanov?\nD:\nNo, no; not Ivanov. It still stands of course.\nK:\nNo, no; on Ivanov, I have an answer for you.\nD:\nYeah, you will have. But I think maybe because the President would like\nto make some presents, you know, but maybe you have some ideas.\nK:\nWell, let's talk about that on Thursday.\nD:\nOkay. We have to exchange mutual ideas on this.\nD:\nYes, I understand. Okay, Henry, so 1:15.\nK:\nGood. Wonderful.\nD:\nYes. Bye, bye.\nwgh\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelCon\nAmb. Dobrynin/Mr. Kissinger\n11:45 am, March 7, 1973\nK:\nAnatol.\nD:\nHenry, how are you.\nK:\nNow that you let me wait on the phone five minutes, I'm sufficiently\nimpressed.\nD:\nHenry, I just came in here, but I promise you to improve my efficiency.\nK:\nI hope you stay lazy.\nD:\nOh, come on. You just--so how I am busy prepared to meet you\ntwice a day.\nK:\nWell, you've got the President all excited now, I hope you are happy.\nD:\nWell definitely.\nK:\nOkay. Well, I just want to tell you from June 25 to July 2nd or 3rd -\nD:\nJune 25th to--\nK:\nFor eight days.\nD:\nI understand, seven or eight days.\nK:\nAnd, mow what the President--first of all, let's have lunch over here.\nThe President would like to talk to you for 15 minutes himself. For\nhis own personal pleasure.\nD:\nOh, thank you very much. Well look--\nK:\nWell, come here at 12:45, then we can see the President--\nD:\n12:45, okay.\nK:\nCome to my office, and then we'll go over and see the President.\nD:\nOkay. 12:45.\nK:\nNow, what we are thinking--there's one slight complication about\nCamp David which is that he wants to be the first one to show Camp\nDavid to Brezhnev which means he doesn't want him to go there the\nnight before he arrives in Washington.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n-2-\nD:\nOh, I see.\nK:\nBut that's a pure vanity thing.\nD:\nI understand. I think it is real good, there is no problem.\nK:\nBut we will certainly go from here to Camp David for a day or two.\nD:\nYeah.\nK:\nAnd have meetings there. Now we can have Brezhnev in Williamsburg\nor Blair House overnight --whatever you want.\nD:\nOkay. I think this is no real problem. Maybe I will have a chance\nto bring him in Embassy, but I'm not so sure, it show how over\ncrowded I am here.\nK:\nWell, let's have jhim in Blair House or Williamsburg.\nD:\nOkay. I don't make this correction. I mention--\nK:\nLook, we can handle Camp David--\nD:\nNo, no, no, I'm sure there is no problem at all.\nK;\nIt's a pure question- you know, it's like Brezhnev probably wanting\nto be there-\nD:\nThat's it exactly, but if he cannot come to and he doesn't want\nthe President go alone there, on the same--\nK:\nExactly, and there's no protocol way the President can be there\nbefore the reception.\nD:\nOkay, no problem.\nK:\nThat's the only minor thing. Then the President will, of course,\ngive a StateDinner the evening of the 25th. The President said\nthat if you were to give a dinner for Brezhnev, he would break his\niron rule which is never to go to an Embassy, and to go to your\nEmbassy.\nD:\nOh, thank you very much, I think is a good idea.\nK:\nYou, know, we are not asking for you to do it, but you should know\nthat if you do it, the President will come.\nD:\nI understand, thank you very much.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n-3-\nK:\nAnd then we go to Camp David on the 27th or 28th. What he thinks\nis on the trip out to California that he will go aheadperhaps and\ngreet him there and Brezhnev would stop for a few hours at the\nusual place or any place he wants.\nD:\nI understand.\nK:\nAnd then he'll give a dinner for him out there, and he 'll give a\nreception for him in his house on his lawn which is never done for\na foreign leader.\nD:\nThank you very much.\nK:\nAnd, so you see his mind is working actively.\nD:\nSo I notice.\nK:\nAnd, so, the onlyproblem is that - and of course he enthusiastically\nagreed to my going to Moscow, so all of this is--\nD:\nYeah. As for you, I should mention I talked to him the second part\nof April.\nK:\nSecond part of April. Depending on how we go.\nD:\nYes, depending on how you go, this is the point.\nK:\nWell I wanted to give you those dates and if they are agreeable\nmaybe you can let me know.\nD:\nSo there is plenty--\nK:\nRight.\nD:\nOkay, and I will check with Brezhnev. Good, tomorrow at 12:45\nI go to your office first.\nK:\nRight.\nD:\nOkay, Henry.\nK:\nLook forward.\nD:\nThank you very much, bye bye.\nK:\nBye.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelCon\nAmb. Dobrynin/Mr. Kissinger\n2:40 pm, March 12, 1973\nD:\nHello.\nK:\nAnatol.\nD:\nSure, how are you.\nK:\nYou keep me waiting on the telephone all the time.\nD:\nBecause I am now clearing the lines, with my telephone here,\nso I am\nK:\nYou are gonna tell me with whom, or am I going to have to ask\nthe FBI.\nD:\nOooh, I was just speaking with Petrov, and my wife just arrived\nfrom Moscow, so I think the answer is very clear, then what\nkind of answer you could get, really. She's saying giver her\nbest regards to you.\nK:\nThank you. You want to talk a little later after your lunch.\nD:\nYou know, we could discuss right now why I decided to call you,\nnot because of the situation, but chiefly I received a telegram\nfrom Brezhnev in connection with you asked about Shultz.\nK:\nYeah.\nD:\nHe just ask me to tell you that definitely he is going to receive Shultz.\nK:\nThat's a good idea.\nD:\nSo, you may be sure that Brezhnev will receive Shultz. And he\nsaid to me, I told you so, so what is the question.\nK:\nEvidently, Anatol, it might be just as well if you don't raise the\nJewish question with Shultz.\nD:\nDon't raise with Shultz.\nK:\nDon't raise it, because, unless there is something positive you\nwant to say, because if you do raise and then you see, he is not\nquite as devious as I am, he may report something honestly which\ncauses us trouble with the Congress.\nD:\nI see, okay.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n2\nK:\nBut it's up to him, you ;know, if he wants to say that he will do\nsomething.\nD:\nI understand. Shultz mentioned to me when I saw him, he asked me\nto -- he mention in a way he's willing to report to Kimov rather\nthe text which the President says--\nK:\nThat's fine, that he will do.\nD: :\nYou know, the difficulty with gim, the question--\nK:\nHe will say that much, but he can let it go at that. Now, I have\ntalked to the President about the date. Our difficulty is that the\nNATO meeting is the 14th to the 16th.\nD:\n14th to 16th.\nK:\nYes. So we can't do it the week of the 11th, but we can do it the\nweek of the 18th if that's possible.\nD:\nI will check, I think it not be bad idea, but I have to check. Let\nme check, then because I think-\nK:\nBecause it just isn't possible for Rogers not to go to a NATO\nMEETING because we have a meeting with the Soviet leaders,\nthat would be a--\nD:\nYeah, I understand, it rather=-not the best policy. So you can\ndo it the week of the 18th, it will be quite all right with you.\nK:\nThat will be fine with us.\nD:\nYes, okay, I will pass the word tomorrow.\nK:\nThat's fine.\nD:\nBut it will be all right.\nK:\nYes.\nD:\nOkay, Henry, I will do it. Tomorrow I will give you the answer.\nI will see you the day after tomorrow?\nK:\nYes, but I noticed they put something down for lunch. How about.\nD:\nIf you would like, I could talk to you--\nK:\nAll right, let's say at 3:00 0 clock.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n3\nD:\nAt your office.\nK:\nNo in the Map Room.\nD:\nMap Room. Okay. 3:00 the day after tomorrow.\nK:\nRight. Good.\nD:\nI think everything's all right. Thank you very much.\nK:\nLook forward to it. Bye.\nD:\nBye, bye.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nAmb. Dobrynin/Mr. Kissinger\n9:50 a. m., March 15, 1973\nK:\nthat you haven't met yet.\nD:\nWell, I'm really almost eager to see her.\nK:\nI'm sorry I didn't get your approval before I hired her.\nD:\nBut I do rely on your taste, I'm sure about it. Because up till now, in\nmost cases I do approve.\nK:\nOkay.\nD:\nHenry, I just received from Gromyko in connection with your yesterday's\ncall at night.\nK:\nYeah.\nD:\nAnd he's just sent a telegram there to our representation. First of all,\nhe telling them in rather strong language saying that this particular\ndocument was given in a strictly confidential measure to some western\ncountries. He doesn't give your call but make it this way and should be\ndiscussed only through confidential channels but not in any case in\nHelsinki.\nK:\nRight.\nD:\nAnd you he said to Ambassador and other representatives should very\nstrictly adhere to this rule.\nK:\nRight.\nD:\nSo this is already -- I received a copy of this telegram.\nK:\nWell, I'm talking to Rush and I will have a suggestion. We'll tell you\nhow we'll handle it tonight.\nD:\nSo it is still as I see from this, it is very clear that we prefer not\nprefer but really it is still only you, as I mentioned, and with France\nand through you, you said and Great Britain.\nK:\nThat's right.\nD:\nThat's all really. So what I mentioned to you about confidential character\nof this document, it still stands as it was a month ago.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nAmb. Dobrynin/Mr. Kissinger\n2\n9:50 a. m., March 15, 1973\nK:\nGood, excellent.\nD:\nYes. Have you by chance mention to your State Department about this\nHuman Rights Commission?\nK:\nI have talked to Rush. I will have an answer for you within an hour. He\nwas going to check.\nD:\nOh, check, yes. Okay. Just to know whether he is checking or not\non stopping all this nonsense.\nK:\nRight.\nD:\nOkay?\nK:\nGood.\nD:\nToday, 5:30?\nK:\nRight.\nD:\nOkay, Henry.\nK:\nGood.\nD:\nBye, bye.\nwh\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nAmb. Dobrynin/Mr. Kissinger\n11:05 a. m., March 15, 1973\nD:\nHello, Henry, how are you? 1 Are you prepared for the press conference?\nK:\nOf course.\nD:\nI know. You could give. answer any time.\nK:\nIt's the President who's giving it.\nD:\nNot you?\nK:\nNo.\nD:\nOh-h-h. Because trouble with you is you're really always prepared for\na press conference.\nK:\nOn the Human Rights thing, we cancelled the instructions.\nD:\nThey cancelled?\nK:\nYes.\nD:\nI think this is very good idea and I will send a telegram to Gromyko right\naway.\nK:\nGood.\nD:\nWell, I think it's very good idea. So, 5:30.\nK:\n5:30?\nD:\nYeah.\nThank you very much, Henry.\nK:\nGood.\nThank you.\nD;\nBye, bye.\nwgh\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelCon\nAmb. Dobrynin/Mr. Kissinger\n6:45 pm, March 16, 1973\nK:\nHello.\nD:\nHello Henry.\nK:\nHe's left for Mexico.\nD:\n(laughter) Exactly. Where you are? Well, before going for\nsome party I couldn't go to party without sayi;ng hello to you,\nand wish you a nice vacation.\nK:\nThank you, aren't you nice.\nD:\nYeah. I hope--and there was a warning that the white sharks\nappear this season, so be careful.\nK:\n(laughter)\nD:\nWell if it will be a rest shark, it's a friendly one.\nK:\nWell if they start circling I'll hit them on the nose.\nD:\nExactly.\nK:\nI just hope I won't use your methods for dealing with\ncrocodiles.\nD:\nWell, this is the point, you could do it. Just --\nK:\nWell, I think I'll just stay behind them, I'll always swin to\ntheir rear.\nD:\nThis is point, usually just take them by tail. And then you\nwill be in better position.\nK:\nI think that right.\nD:\nYes, you can use their dynamic force in swimming quick, but\nK:\nI think that sounds reasonable.\nD:\nWell, Henry, I do wish you the very best, and I hope nothing\nwill disturb you while being there for this 10 or. so days.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n2\nK:\nMaybe you could make a request through your allies for\nabout 10 days to observe the agreement.\nD:\nDo they know you are going on vacation. Probably they don't\nknow, otherwise probably they would stop maybe.\nK:\nProbably.\nD:\nYour old friend Le Duc Tho, you should invite him to come\nto Acapulco. It will be quite a--\nK:\nIt would be an experience.\nD:\nI'm sure it would be quite an experience. And really\neverything will be under control.\nK:\nOkay, Anatol, I'll see you as soon as I come back.\nD:\nYeah. Around 27th or 28th.\nK:\nThat's right.\nD:\nSo you'll be in touch I am sure.\nK:\nGood.\nD:q\nWell, I will not try to spoil your vacation by\ntaking calls from Theiu. From time to time I am sure I\nwill call you.\nK:\nGood, excellent Anatol.\nD:\nYeah. Bye bye.\nK:\nBye. Thank you for calling.\nD:\nYes, bye bye.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON\nDobrynin/Kissinger\n3:25 p.m. - 3/17/73\nD:\nHello.\nK:\nAnatol.\nD:\nYes, hello Henry. How's the Italians?\nK:\nDid I wake you up?\nD:\nNo, how is the Italy thing going?\nK:\nGreat, it's going to stay in NATO.\nD:\nI see. Well, how have things been going?\nK:\nOn this issue which we discussed yesterday, we are willing to say we'll\ndo everything possible.\nD:\nPossible is going to stay in. The word possible is really - because\nin Russian when you say \"everything's possible\" he doesn't like\nthe word \"possible.\" And the reason\ntranslate badly.\nThis is the whole we worry about. I am telling you the word in the\nmessage yesterday.\nK:\nEverything just doesn't make any sense in English.\nD:\nWell it's better\nrelative to concentration\nor it is, I don't know\nhow to put it to you in English. To avoid situations, everything\nHe said everything to promote, this was his idea.\nK:\nNo, no, I understand.\nD:\nHow else couldyou say. Could you voteto a voice, or to promote\nSo, I don't see very much change from first your offering that is utmost0-\nK:\nExcept that everything is a very awkward word.\nD:\nWell, I don't know why\neverything, it's not mine idea.\nCould you sat: To all to prevail, or is it the same. To do all to prevent\nis actually--\nK:\nThe utmost is--\nD:\nThis is my impression too, I don't--\nK:\nUtmost in English is a better phrase than everything. I don't know how\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n2\nyou can do more than your \"utmost\".\nD:\nWell, exactly. Maximum is nothing. What you told me--I use two\nkinds of things; first, this sounds as practical as anything I use, and\nsecond, he has already communicated again, his answer was well\nwe have to move a little bit further yet. Because the Russians does\neverything possible.\nK:\nLet me think about summing this word.\nD:\nOkay, try it.\nK:\nOkay, let me see what I can do.\nD:\nOkay.\nK:\nOn the other two questions I'll have an answer hopefully back tomorrow\non it.\nD:\nBy tomorrow!\nK:\nWell, on the MFN i can already answer.\nD:\nYes, what is answer.\nK:\nWe think it will go through the House in the first week of August.\nD:\nI see.\nK:\nAnd in the Senate, oh, somethine during October we think.\nD:\nOctober, yeah. Just approximate so to speak.\nK:\nYeah.\nD:\nWhat could--are you now sure things will go right.\nK:\nWell, we are meeting with the Congressional people tomorrow on\n--with your paper. And we can hand that out, can we?\nD:\nWhat can you hand?\nK:\nWe can give them the text whisch you gave us.\nD:\nI think it's better to say, not to give them the text.\nK:\nNot to give it. Just to read it.\nD:\nI think you can give just a summary, that's all.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n3\nK:\nOkay, fine.\nD:\nIt would practically say the same thing.\nK:\nOkay, fine.\nD:\nBut, as I understand, Brezhnev now he's coming in June. What\nreally he says now, as of now he things everything was from ;our\nside to help fo move this easier. So time he would be here--so\nK:\nWell you know what we thought, but I'd like to work it out on the\ntrade side, is that maybe we could state some general goals of\nwhat we are aiming for.\nD:\nIn what way?\nK:\nIn the next two or three years. For expanding trade.\nD:\nOkay, would you be saying in the morning, that precise.\nK:\nAnd something along the lines of --also perhaps some progress\non the natural gas thing.\nD:\nYeah, mention this, you can say something because as it now looks\nit looks about what you said about this--\nK:\nRight, well let me see if I can give you something in the morning.\nD:\nIn the morning.\nK:\nRight.\nD:\nOkay. But on this one I would like you to phone this today.\nK:\nGood.\nD:\nThat takes care of everything. When you call, would you make it before\nsix.\nK:\nBefore six.\nD:\nYeah, because otherwise I will be having dinner I guess. Because\notherwise you will be having a nice party. And after the nice party\nyou will think anything.\nK:\nYou can bet on that. Okay, good. I'll do everything to call you.\nD:\nOkay, bye.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTelcon\nAmbassador Dobrynin/General Scowcroft\nMarch 21, 1973; 8:50 a.m.\nD:\nHow are you today, in this first day of spring? (laughs)\nS:\nA beautiful first day of spring.\nD:\nI think we 11 have to blame to our people of science who yesterday\nwere received by the President and he praised them and what they are doing.\nThey could have given us a good sunny day on the first day of spring.\nS:\nThat's right. This is Moscow weather.\nD:\nWell, it's even worse I should say. Nobody expects spring in\nMoscow now, but here it's a psychological shock. It's rather dangerous.\nS:\nThat's right.\nD:\nWell, General, I have to go now to New York. I have some business.\nBut I received yesterday from my Government, from Mr. Breshnev, the\ntext of our draft of agreement between the two countries on the prevention\nof nuclear war.\nS:\nOh, yes.\nD:\nWell, we put it your draft, but we make some additions in this, so\nwhat I am doing is just\ntranslation.\nS:\nFine.\nD:\nAnd then Mr. Vorontsov will be in touch with you. He will just\narrive to your office will when it is convenient. And there are some\ncomments here, oral comments. Well probably it is better to do for\nyou /\nHe will just tell you or make it informal talking point\nhow you think?\nfor your information.\nS:\nThat would be all right.\nD:\nYes, it's all right?\nS:\nYes, surely.\nD:\nSo, you prefer to have it on a paper, or you will write it down?\nS:\nEither way.\nD:\nOkay. He will cover it in any case. He may be\n- delegate (?)\nsecretary, and so on. What time you would like, and Mr. Brezhnev, and\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n-2-\nand when you will receive this, of course, you will show it to the President.\nS:\nYes, of course.\nD:\nThe answer, or I think maybe good idea to send to Henry there,\nto vacation, that he may know.\nS:\nYes, I'll get it to him.\nD:\nYes, the text and maybe then if he thinks it's a good idea maybe\nI could drop in tomorrow or the day after tomorrow witxxxx when it's more\nconvenient for him to your office, and have a chat with him by telephone\n- - your telephone, not from my embassy.\nS:\nOh, yes.\nD:\nHow do you think it is, all right?\nS:\nYes, I think so.\nD:\nSo you just check with Henry, and I will be tomorrow back from\nNew York. I will give you a call and then you will give me the answer\nand maybe some preliminary observations. If you give him the text\nand the second points which we are going to give X to you.\nS:\nAll right, I'll get those down to him.\nD:\nYes, because we left it with him when he left that if there will be\nany\nfrom the text then we will just poke it all into one.\nS:\nGood, of course.\nD:\nSo, now that the translation is finished, Mr. Vorontsov will be in\ntouch with you, and please go ahead.\nS:\nThat's fine. I'll be here all day.\nD:\nYes, because Mr. Brezhnev I mentioned yesterday to the President\nabout it because Brezhnev asked me to do when he left with\nand\nwith regard to the President to mention that it is coming and he hopes that\nthe President could look and the President said of course I will do because\nhe is already himself personally on this text working. Now I think we have\non a sure\nbecause our both of us begin to stick on\nbegin to look\non a document and feel a\nwith them.\nR S: Right.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n- -3- -\nD:\nSo it's a good\nfrom both of us.\nS:\nI agree.\nD:\nA little bit later Mr. Vorontsov will be in touch with you and\nplease give it to him and send to Henry.\nS:\nThat will be fine. And you have a good trip to New York.\nD:\nThank you very much. Goodbye\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\nTELCON (San Clemente)\nDobrynin/Kissinger\n7:40 a.m. - 3/31/73\n(From HAK's Residence)\nD:\nHello, Henry, how are you?\nK:\nI was with the President so late yesterday, Anatol, that I didn't think\nI could call you anymore.\nD:\nThat's all right because Colonel Kennedy already called me on your\nbehalf.\nK:\nRight. Now let me explain to you. On that first Article we can reverse\nthat.\nD:\nOK.\nK:\nBut we have had a long message from the English with their views.\nThey haven't seen your - they haven't seen any draft. But we want to\nstudy it because we don't want to hand over a document the day we get\nthe message. And secondly we want to study it to see whether we can\naccommodate some of their concerns which will not require a major\nchange incidentally. So we will let you have the text on Monday which\nwill be essentially what we discussed and we will transpose those sentences.\nD:\nYou will change the first paragraph with the second within the first article?\nK:\nThat's right.\nD:\nBut do you think it will all right with your exchange with the UK - that\nyou go too far?\nK:\nNo. No, no, but on the other hand it's helpful to us to have the British\non our side in the subsequent discussions that are going to start.\nD:\nI understand. So, Henry.\nK:\nAnd I'm being - now don't go and tell this to the British Ambassador.\nD:\nNo, no, no, no, no. I understand. One Ambassador was enough.\nK:\nOK.\nD:\nHenry - hello.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n2\nK:\nYes, it's not - let me tell you Anatol it's not as bad as my handing over\nthe Gromyko note to the NATO ally.\nD:\n(Laughs) I know. Henry, so I will mention that you will give on Monday.\nK:\nYou will get on Monday and then it will be very constructive. I will send\nit to Colonel Kennedy and he will get it there.\nD:\nThe whole text?\nK:\nThe whole text.\nD:\nI would like to have only the Preamble.\nK:\nYeh, I know.\nD:\nMy impression is it doesn't really change anything. You just took your\nlast one entirely.\nK:\nThat's right.\nD:\nSo please look at it.\nK:\nNo, no we looked at yours.\nD:\nNo, no, what you gave me yesterday is exactly word-by-word your\ndraft you gave me several days ago.\nK:\nThat's right.\nD:\nNot a line from ours.\nK:\nOK.\nD:\nIt's not a major change but just to show that you look at it.\nK:\nOK. Fine.\nD:\nWe didn't change very much yours, really, only one paragraph actually.\nK:\nAs far as I understand you only took out one of our paragraphs.\nD:\nYes, you just look and compare it just to show that you look at it.\nYou may change two words at least to show that you look at it.\nK:\nI understand. I understand.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n3\nD:\ntwo weeks ago.\nK:\nRight, I understand.\nD:\nAnd the second, on the end you remember that two paragraphs A and C\nwhich.\nrevolutionary changes.\nK:\nNo, no, Iknow. We took out where you said \"relevant agreements. 11\nD:\nWhy?\nK:\nWhy did we take it out?\nD:\nYeh.\nK:\nBecause supposing we decide that in our self-defense we want to do\nsomething where there is no agreement?\nD:\nWell, it is a point of course, but I think - I've got to think it over.\nK:\nYou see what I mean.\nD:\nYes, I understand your point. But really it's already in paragraph A\nby the way. Yes, it is, in paragraph says \"nothing can impair or\naffect\n11\nK:\nRight.\nD:\nSo it's covered - your objections so I think you could put this whole\nthing with some of ours so that's why we make an addition in point C.\nK:\nOK.\nD:\nLook in point A.\nK:\nYes, but I just want you to know here I sit in my house, I don't have\nthe document in front of me.\nD:\nI know, I know.\nK:\nBut I want you to know I know it by heart, that's how carefully I've studied\nit.\nD:\nWell, I go through it, sometimes even at night.\nK:\nOK, Anatol, now if you could get rid of only 200 FS-9s all would be easier.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n4\nD:\nWell, I think - only 200!\nK:\nYou can still keep 70.\nD:\nOh, I see, I was surprised why only 200.\nK:\nWell, I think we could put that in as Article 7.\nD:\n(Laughs)\nK:\nThe Soviet Union\nD:\nYou are trying to make.\nto our mutual friend Smirnov.\nK:\nI think Smirnov would have an apoplectic fit.\nD:\nWell, I think he had quite an experience and both you and I too. I'm\nsure he is preparing - of this I am sure of. As of now is proposal\nbut I am sure he is preparing for the\nI am sure.\nK:\nWell Smirnov is\nD:\nSometimes he is given only one day notice.\nK:\nNo, he is very able. He is exceptionally able. I look forward - I'll\ngive you a proposal on that the week I come back.\nD:\nYeh, I think it's good because I think when you are there you will discuss\nit.\nK:\nRight.\nD:\nHe's a good man.\nK:\nExcellent man.\nD:\nOK, Henry, on Monday you will give to Kennedy that message to my\nboss.\nK:\nDefinitely. It may be Monday night given the time differential.\nD:\nI understand.\nK:\nAnd we have Thieu here so I may not be able to actually get it off until\nsay 3 'clock our time. But before Monday midnight your time you'll\nhave it.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n5\nD:\nOk.\nJust to know.\nK:\nNo, Monday you will get it.\nD:\nYesterday I\nbut I didn't say anything really.\nK:\nGood.\nD:\nHenry, what kind of telephone - or do I have to check with Kennedy?\nK:\nWhat do you mean?\nD:\nIf in case there is some urgency.\nK:\nJust call the White House switchboard and they'll get you through.\nD:\nJust call the switchboard and ask for you.\nK:\nYes. Yes. I mean call 456 - I'll give you a number here if you want it.\nD:\nI think it's very good idea.\nK:\nThe number here is Area Code 714/492-0011.\nD:\n714/492-0011.\nK:\nRight. That's the Western White House.\nD:\nI understand. Just in case something's coming.\nK:\nBecause I frankly - it's all hooked up with the Western White House.\nD:\nJust a minute - something's coming. This is not - I thought it was\nsomething for you. It is not really because a man came to me and\nit was telegram and that's why I was holding you. It's not for you.\nSo thank you very much, Henry. On Monday I will await your reply.\nK:\nYou will get it before midnight.\nD:\nOk, thank you very much, Henry. How is the weather there?\nK:\nPerfect.\nD:\nAnd here is raining and they promise to rain tomorrow too. You're\na lucky fellow.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n6\nK:\nCome out and talk to me here.\nD:\nWell, I will see what kind of\nyou give.\nK:\nI'd love to have you.\nD:\nNow all I need is a pretext to go.\nK:\nTerrific.\nD:\nThank you very much, Henry.\nK:\nWe still have to take a trip to Hawaii together.\nD:\nWell, I\nK:\nAbsolutely not.\nD:\nWell, I think it's a good idea, really.\nK:\nI guesss now it'll have to be after the summit.\nD:\nYeh. I don't know what the weather is then.\nK:\nThe weather is always good.\nD:\nAlways?\nK:\nYeh.\nD:\nOK.\nK:\nGood, we'll do it during the summer. We'll go to that Rockefeller\nplace. They have a beautiful place.\nD:\nWell I never was there at all so I don't know.\nK:\nAnd they have a beautiful hotel and it's not on the big island. It's not\non the Honolulu island.\nD:\nOh, I see, not overcrowded.\nK:\nIt's very quiet, it's all by itself.\nD:\nYeh, I understand.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified.\n7\nK:\nSo you have to decide whether you want to be in a place with a lot of\npeople or whether you want\nD:\nNo, no, no. No people at all. When I go to a place it's better to\nenjoy the beauty than to be surrounded with many people.\nK:\nThen we go to the main island in Hawaii.\nD:\nYeh, I understand. Thank you, Henry.\nK:\nGood Anatol. Bye.\nReproduced at the Richard Nixon Presidential Library\nDECLASSIFIED\nThis document has been reviewed pursuant to Executive Order 13526 and has been determined to be declassified."
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