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Amb. Dobrynin/Secretary Kissinger
10/6/73
9:10 p. m.
K:
Hello , I called your ally, El Zayyat
D:
Yes, what was his reaction?
K:
I think you can keep them.
D:
(laughs)
K:
Total irrationality, if you want my frank opinion.
It was discouraging on one level and encouragingon another.
D:
Just beginning to look for the good news.
K:
He said he doesn't insist on the debate himself, on Monday and if
we tell him not to have it, he won't have one.
D:
If we tell him?
K:
If I
D:
If you tell him
K:
Yeh.
D:
But y au tell him.
But you mentioned to him that
to have it,
I'm sure.
K:
I told him Id call back tomorrow.
D:
Why didn't you tell him from the very beginning?
K:
I told him I'm against it.
D:
But you said that he will do it if you talk to him, so what is he waiting?
K:
I want him to think a little bit. I told him I'm against the debate.
D:
Why is he waiting then ?
D:
If you would let me finish, what he wants also is another thing,
I told him our assessment was that they would be driven back at least
to where they were, he said he cannot propose withdrawal to Cairo,
they1d fire him. But he said if I propose anything at all to him,
they would be very receptive.
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