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Telecon
Mr. Kissinger/The President
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-5-
he really lit into Harriman. As if I was just picking up Alex Johnson's
saying. I said he thought he was
P:
K: Well, that'w what I figured, I figured that Sullivan would be running
to a phone before he was out of the White House. Bunker told me that
Harriman had been driving him crazy on the phone and he's having
lunch with him today.
P: Will Bunker know how to handle Harriman?
K: Oh, yes.
P:
K: Oh, that's for sure. There is no problem with Bunker. He's as
tough as they come. On this one Harriman is going to be even more
irrational than on the others because this is his creation. He really
caused this whole problem !by his Laos settlement of 1962.
P: He opened the Ho Chi Minh Trail. Hell, I knew that. Oh, one
other thing, Henry, I want to get -- get me an estimate of the total
number of North Vietnamese who have come down the Ho Chi Minh
Trail during the last five years. I'm sure the numbers
K: Yeah.
P: And the amount of supplies and guns. In other words, 10,000,
500,000 rifles, 2
men have come down the trail. That will
make an enormous
See what I'm driving at. As a selling
point you say in the last six years so many men have come down
this trail and killed Americans.
K: Right. Oh, yes.
P: We are stopping that. See. Isn't that a good one? Get that one
little simple thing. Helms to give us an estimate
number of
men, how many rifles.
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