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The President/Mr. Kissinger
9:15 p.m., April 5, 1971
P:
Now, what the hell would we do; you mean like announce we are going
to get out tomorrow or
K:
Well, he doesn't have -- he admits he doesn't know what it is.
P:
Can't be done.
K:
And it can't be done. I think --
P:
November 3 just
respect just like that. November 3
because basically I mean -- we will listen to him later but the point
is at this point we can not just do something that you know isn't going
to wash.
K:
I talked to Garment and he said he's become totally convinced that if
we appeal to the Doves, we will be destroyed.
P:
How?
K:
And he said he read the World Report, he had to give a speech at the
Federal City Club, he thinks your foreign policy holds together and its
got a good philosophical foundation and we should fight for it.
P:
Yeah.
K:
And that coming from him since his instincts are the other way is
particularly interesting I think.
P:
Well, we're not going to go -- we '11 play, once we get something to
play with, Henry
Dobrynin or anything like that, we'll let go of
John Scalli, and by God we will broker the hell out of them.
K:
Oh, yeah, but then we do it to destroy the Doves.
P:
But not for the purpose of catering to them, cause I mean you can
confuse them. Bull will not work.
K:
I agree completely.
P:
I know, for example, I mean John
you know has raised the
credibility problem
He was doing it you know
just to
Well, John, I said and he wasn't trying
to advocate a change but he said there is a problem. Hell, I know, there
is a problem but it's not what we've done, it's what they have created.
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