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    "ocrText": "Mr. Haldeman/Mr. Kissinger\nApril 5, 1971 (?Tape)\n- 3 -\nH:\nBecause it's a question of whether you withdraw 100,000 by December 1st\nor by December 31st.\nK:\nExactly. And you and I know that anybody\nyou promise to withdraw\nby December 31st will be out by December 15th. So I think this is the least\nwe can do -- I think it's a responsible figure. It's also the most that\nThieu can stand, incidentally. I think if he announced a bigger figure, Saigon\ncould collapse which is what the hot-shots don't recognize.\nH:\nSome of them would just as soon he would.\nK:\nWell, I mean our guys.\nH:\nYeah.\nK:\nOur opponents certainly would. But I think if he makes a fighting speech\nif then he is driven out, at least no one will ever doubt where he stood, and when\nthe bad effects become evident next year, he can run against those who forced\nhim out. While if he, is, in effect, saying 'I agree with all of you; I just don't\nhave the nerve to go quite as fast as you want to. 1 So I agree with Garment.\nH:\nOkay.\nK:\nBut I would stick at my rate.\nH:\nHe got caught up for, for, you know, just thinking, 'I wonder if we should\njust leave the rate right where it is, and let them screw you. This is where it's\ngoing to be. 1\nK:\nI think we can afford this increase.\nH:\nWell, it's a small increase, but it's symbolically significant because\nit confirms that our program is working.\nK:\nExactly.\nH:\nAnd that you do need to do.\nK:\nExactly. I think we can.\nH:\nAnd you are not making any sacrifice to do it.\nK:\nWell, you are taking a risk. But we've taken\nH:\nBut it's the same risk\nYou take the same risk if you waited one month\nlonger."
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