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probably had twenty-five people up here. We moved into these offices, designed them so they were functional. Mark Goode moved up, Tim Elbourne moved up. Mark Goode came on as a television consultant, which we felt we needed, because we didn't have the expertise in television. We needed a real solid television guy [pounding]. We found Bill [William H. ] Carruthers and Mark Goode at the Anaheim rally at the end of the 1970 campaign. It was the last rally that he did for [George L. . Murphy. And SY: Was, is that office under this office then? RW: Well, I have a genuine relationship, in that nobody works for me, we all work together. SY: Hm hmm. RW: Actually, Timmy works for Ron [Ronald L. ] Ziegler. SY: Hm hmm. RW: Mark Goode actually reports to Dwight Chapin. I report to Dwight Chapin. SY: Hm hmm. RW: But what Dwight would do is say, "O.K. Ron, here it is, bang, go. = Then I would get with Mark and get with Tim and get with the Secret Service and the White House Communications Agency and bang, bang, bang, we were off. SY: Hm hmm. RW: Then we started staffing out; we started getting the reports; we started getting it in writing, so that the 43

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