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Ronald Reagan Presidential Library Digital Library Collections This is a PDF of a folder from our textual collections. Collection: Culvahouse, Arthur B.: Files Folder Title: Iran/Arms Transaction: 12/07/1985, Meeting (2) Box: CFOA 1131 To see more digitized collections visit: https://reaganlibrary.gov/archives/digital-library To see all Ronald Reagan Presidential Library inventories visit: https://reaganlibrary.gov/document-collection Contact a reference archivist at: [email protected] Citation Guidelines: https://reaganlibrary.gov/citing National Archives Catalogue: https://catalog.archives.gov/ WITHDRAWAL SHEET Ronald Reagan Library Collection Name CULVAHOUSE, ARTHUR 3.:FILES Withdrawer DLB 4/1/2014 File Folder IRAN/ARMS TRANSACTION: DECEMBER 7, 1985 FOIA MEETING (2 OF 3) S643 Box Number CFOA 1131 SYSTEMATIC 117 ID Doc Type Document Description No of Doc Date Restrictions Pages 164656 PAPER INTERVIEW OF JOHN MCMAHON, P. 11- 4 1/6/1987 B1 13 164657 PAPER TESTIMONY OF ROBERT G. 2 12/11/1986 B1 MCFARLANE BEFORE THE TOWER BOARDP. 26 164658 PAPER INTERVIEW OF ROBERT C. 6 2/19/1987 MCFARLANE, P. 46-48, 58-59 164659 PAPER DEPOSITION OF JOHN POINDEXTER, US 8 5/2/1987 B1 SENATE P. 121-127 164660 PAPER DEPOSITION OF JOHN POINDEXTER, 3 6/18/1987 B1 CONT. US SENATE, P.399-400 The above documents were not referred for declassification review at time of processing Freedom of Information Act - [5 U.S.C. 552(b)] B-1 National security classified information [(b)(1) of the FOIA] B-2 Release would disclose internal personnel rules and practices of an agency [(b)(2) of the FOIA] B-3 Release would violate a Federal statute [(b)(3) of the FOIA] B-4 Release would disclose trade secrets or confidential or financial information [(b)(4) of the FOIA] B-6 Release would constitute a clearly unwarranted invasion of personal privacy [(b)(6) of the FOIA] B-7 Release would disclose information compiled for law enforcement purposes [(b)(7) of the FOIA] B-8 Release would disclose information concerning the regulation of financial institutions [(b)(8) of the FOIA] B-9 Release would disclose geological or geophysical information concerning wells [(b)(9) of the FOIA] C. Closed in accordance with restrictions contained in donor's deed of gift. 6 WITHDRAWAL SHEET Ronald Reagan Library Collection Name Withdrawer CULVAHOUSE, ARTHUR 3.:FILES DLB 4/1/2014 File Folder FOIA IRAN/ARMS TRANSACTION: DECEMBER 7, 1985 MEETING S643 (2 OF 3) SYSTEMATIC Box Number CFOA 1131 117 ID Document Type No of Doc Date Restric- Document Description pages tions 164656 PAPER 4 1/6/1987 B1 INTERVIEW OF JOHN MCMAHON, P. 11-13 The above documents were not referred for declassification review at time of processing Freedom of Information Act - [5 U.S.C. 552(b)] B-1 National security classified information [(b)(1) of the FOIA] B-2 Release would disclose internal personnel rules and practices of an agency [(b)(2) of the FOIA] B-3 Release would violate a Federal statute [(b)(3) of the FOIA] B-4 Release would disclose trade secrets or confidential or financial information [(b)(4) of the FOIA] B-6 Release would constitute a clearly unwarranted invasion of personal privacy [(b)(6) of the FOIA] B-7 Release would disclose information compiled for law enforcement purposes [(b)(7) of the FOIA] B-8 Release would disclose information concerning the regulation of financial institutions [(b)(8) of the FOIA] B-9 Release would disclose geological or geophysical information concerning wells [(b)(9) of the FOIA] C. Closed in accordance with restrictions contained in donor's deed of gift. 7 WITHDRAWAL SHEET Ronald Reagan Library Collection Name Withdrawer CULVAHOUSE, ARTHUR B. FILES DLB 4/1/2014 File Folder FOIA IRAN/ARMS TRANSACTION: DECEMBER 7, 1985 MEETING S643 (2 OF 3) SYSTEMATIC Box Number CFOA 1131 117 ID Document Type No of Doc Date Restric- Document Description pages tions 164657 PAPER 2 12/11/1986 B1 TESTIMONY OF ROBERT G. MCFARLANE BEFORE THE TOWER BOARDP. 26 The above documents were not referred for declassification review at time of processing Freedom of Information Act - [5 U.S.C. 552(b)] B-1 National security classified information [(b)(1) of the FOIA] B-2 Release would disclose internal personnel rules and practices of an agency [(b)(2) of the FOIA] B-3 Release would violate a Federal statute [(b)(3) of the FOIA] B-4 Release would disclose trade secrets or confidential or financial information [(b)(4) of the FOIA] B-6 Release would constitute a clearly unwarranted invasion of personal privacy [(b)(6) of the FOIA] B-7 Release would disclose information compiled for law enforcement purposes [(b)(7) of the FOIA] B-8 Release would disclose information concerning the regulation of financial institutions [(b)(8) of the FOIA] B-9 Release would disclose geological or geophysical information concerning wells [(b)(9) of the FOIA] C. Closed in accordance with restrictions contained in donor's deed of gift. B WITHDRAWAL SHEET Ronald Reagan Library Collection Name Withdrawer CULVAHOUSE, ARTHUR B. FILES DLB 4/1/2014 File Folder FOIA IRAN/ARMS TRANSACTION: DECEMBER 7, 1985 MEETING S643 (2 OF 3) SYSTEMATIC Box Number CFOA 1131 117 ID Document Type No of Doc Date Restric- Document Description pages tions 164658 PAPER 6 2/19/1987 INTERVIEW OF ROBERT C. MCFARLANE, P. 46- 48, 58-59 The above documents were not referred for declassification review at time of processing Freedom of Information Act - [5 U.S.C. 552(b)] B-1 National security classified information [(b)(1) of the FOIA] B-2 Release would disclose internal personnel rules and practices of an agency [(b)(2) of the FOIA] B-3 Release would violate a Federal statute [(b)(3) of the FOIA] B-4 Release would disclose trade secrets or confidential or financial information [(b)(4) of the FOIA] B-6 Release would constitute a clearly unwarranted invasion of personal privacy [(b)(6) of the FOIA] B-7 Release would disclose information compiled for law enforcement purposes [(b)(7) of the FOIA] B-8 Release would disclose information concerning the regulation of financial institutions [(b)(8) of the FOIA] B-9 Release would disclose geological or geophysical information concerning wells [(b)(9) of the FOIA] C. Closed in accordance with restrictions contained in donor's deed of gift. 9 NAME: JE13107FM infaulane 5/11/87(A) -Tes -Teshmary hmong PAGE 60 1286 the September, October, November experience of those three 1287 months, the Iranian initiative seemed tc me tc have ret 1288 fulfilled CUC purpose of cettiro in touch with Iranians, and 1289 secondly, that there agenda Cf getting weapons was different 1292 from ours, and that we cught tc try tc yet in tcuch with 1291 them cirectly without intermediaries to say that there would 1202 be rc further arms sales. 1293 "C. LIMAN. were you told during this period of the first 1294 week or SC of December that Bichard Secord was meeting with 1295 the Iranians as an intermediary? 1296 Mr. MCFAPLANE. I don't think I was, although I did 1297 encounter Pim, as you know, in Icndon on December 8th. 1295 "C. IIMAN. 4F will come to that in a moment. Did you 1299 know that he was meeting with the Israelis to discuss the 1300 verture? 1381 Yr. MCFARLANE. I don't relieve SC, no. 1302 "C. LIMAN. Did ycu ask him to act as a representative cf 1303 the United states in trying to put this together again? 1304 Mr. MCFAFLANE. No. 1385 "Γ. ITMAN. NCW was the subject of acms Sales to the 1326 Ireriars discussed cn December 7 at a meeting of the 1387 principals, some of the principals of the National Security 1328 Council? 1329 "r. MCFARLANE. Yes. When the President and I discussed 1316 the situation, as I have just summarized it, re said, NAME: 4R13120FM PAGE 61 1311 "Fine. when we get back to Washington, let's have a 1312 meeting of the guys, which was the Secretary cf State, 1313 Defense, the DCI, myself and the Vice President, and MC. 1314 Fegar, and one was set for December 7th, and it WaS held. 1315 Mr. LIMAN. and do you recall that "E. McMahon came in lieu 1316 of Director Casey? 1317 ME. "CEAFLANE. Yes, that is correct. 1318 Mr. LIMAN. NCW, do you recall what proposal was put on 1319 the table at that meeting? 1320 Mr. MCFABLANE. Well, it was a meeting to review what has of shall dupmint Y usarms to was 1321 taken place since the President's approval cf August and the 1 1322 negative viewocints cf the Secretaries cf State and Defense 1323 tc the effect that we hadn't achieved our purpose, and it 1324 WAS ccing--deçenerating irtc an arms-for- hostage arrangement 1325 were very emphatically made, and it was a matter cf 1326 consensus--there was no disagrement really that our attitude 1327 should he cne of openness to purely political discourse, but 1329 that we should not agree tc sell weapons or tc encourage 1329 others, like Israel, to dc SO. 1337 Those were my instructions and I was directed to go to a 1331 meeting with Ghorbanifer ir Iordon the next day and make 1332 those points. NAME: JP13102PM PAGE 62 1333 FITS DOTSON 1334 DCMN QUINTERC 1335 ME. LIMAN. DC ycu recall at that meetinc any ciscussion 1336 ty the Secretary of Defense that it was not legal for Israel 1337 to rE selling these weapors subject to an agreement by the 1338 United States tc rerlace them? 1339 YC. MCFAELANE It doesn't stand out. However, he had 1342 made the point in lew back in Aucust cf that year, and SC it 1341 is very likely that he would made it again. 1342 ME. LIMAN. He expressed himself, in any event, very 1343 strongly on this subject, that WE should not sell weapons; 1344 i- that fair? 1345 "E. MCFAFLANE. That is correct, yes. 1345 "C. LIMAN. And so did the Secretary of State? 1347 r. MCFAPLANE. Yes. 1348 Yr. ITMAN. And is it true that Don Regan also expressed 1349 hirself against the sale cf weapons? 1352 ur. MCFAELANE. I believe SC. 1351 Mr. LIMAN. And at this point ycu were a person who had 1352 doubts? 1353 Mr. "CEAFLANE. Yes. 1354 Mr. LIMAN. And did the President take a position on the 1355 sale of weapons at that meeting? 1356 " r . MCFARIANE. Well, he approved the position cf no sales 1357 bring corveyed to the Iranians, yes. NAME: IF13100PM PAGE 63 1358 Yr. LIMAN. Sc that the President, as you recall it, the 1359 President's view was that there should nct re sales? 1360 "5. MCFARLANE. Yes, it was a position in which he was 1361 disarpointed, frustrated that things had not gone tetter, 1362 but resigned to accepting that if that was the case, con't 1363 CC shead. 1364 Mr. LIMAN. NCW, you then went over to London tc meet with 1365 the Tranian representative? 1366 Mr. MCFARLANE. That is correct. 1367 Mr. LIMAN. And that was Mr. Ghorbanifar? 1368 "r. MCFARLANE. Yes. 1369 "r. LIMAN. Dc you recali whether before you met him you 1372 were briefed by General Secord? 1371 "E. MCFARLANE. When I arrived I believe I went to the 1372 Filter uctel and met Colonel North. "lthough, in passing 1373 WAS introduced to General Secord, Colonel North made clear 1374 that they cid have General--Gereral Secord had business 1375 interests in Furope. 1376 I would rct have, don't recall today, there was a briefing 1377 by General Secord at the time. I did have a morning meeting 1378 with MC. Kimche cf Israel, where I summarized what my 1379 instructions were for the meeting with the Icaniars. 1382 And he expressed his corcern and stated that WE needed tc 1381 be retiert, that these things weren't concluded. And in a 1382 short time I told him what my instructions were, and we 10 WITHDRAWAL SHEET Ronald Reagan Library Collection Name Withdrawer CULVAHOUSE, ARTHUR B. :FILES DLB 4/1/2014 File Folder FOIA IRAN/ARMS TRANSACTION: DECEMBER 7, 1985 MEETING S643 (2 OF 3) SYSTEMATIC Box Number CFOA 1131 117 ID Document Type No of Doc Date Restric- Document Description pages tions 164659 PAPER 8 5/2/1987 B1 DEPOSITION OF JOHN POINDEXTER, US SENATE P. 121-127 The above documents were not referred for declassification review at time of processing Freedom of Information Act - [5 U.S.C. 552(b)] B-1 National security classified information [(b)(1) of the FOIA] B-2 Release would disclose internal personnel rules and practices of an agency [(b)(2) of the FOIA] B-3 Release would violate a Federal statute [(b)(3) of the FOIA] B-4 Release would disclose trade secrets or confidential or financial information [(b)(4) of the FOIA] B-6 Release would constitute a clearly unwarranted invasion of personal privacy [(b)(6) of the FOIA] B-7 Release would disclose information compiled for law enforcement purposes [(b)(7) of the FOIA] B-8 Release would disclose information concerning the regulation of financial institutions [(b)(8) of the FOIA] B-9 Release would disclose geological or geophysical information concerning wells [(b)(9) of the FOIA] C. Closed in accordance with restrictions contained in donor's deed of gift. 11 1 1 WITHDRAWAL SHEET Ronald Reagan Library Collection Name Withdrawer CULVAHOUSE, ARTHUR B. :FILES DLB 4/1/2014 File Folder FOIA IRAN/ARMS TRANSACTION: DECEMBER 7, 1985 MEETING S643 (2 OF 3) SYSTEMATIC Box Number CFOA 1131 117 ID Document Type No of Doc Date Restric- Document Description pages tions 164660 PAPER 3 6/18/1987 B1 DEPOSITION OF JOHN POINDEXTER, CONT. US SENATE, P.399-400 The above documents were not referred for declassification review at time of processing Freedom of Information Act - [5 U.S.C. 552(b)] B-1 National security classified information [(b)(1) of the FOIA] B-2 Release would disclose internal personnel rules and practices of an agency [(b)(2) of the FOIA] B-3 Release would violate a Federal statute [(b)(3) of the FOIA] B-4 Release would disclose trade secrets or confidential or financial information [(b)(4) of the FOIA] B-6 Release would constitute a clearly unwarranted invasion of personal privacy [(b)(6) of the FOIA] B-7 Release would disclose information compiled for law enforcement purposes [(b)(7) of the FOIA] B-8 Release would disclose information concerning the regulation of financial institutions [(b)(8) of the FOIA] B-9 Release would disclose geological or geophysical information concerning wells [(b)(9) of the FOIA] C. Closed in accordance with restrictions contained in donor's deed of gift.